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[chris w]

Hi all, I am a new member and I guess this is the right section to ask this. Since I recently turned 25 I have a question.

What do you think is the peaking age ( might be a couple of years span ) both physically and mentally, both in men and women ? I am wondering because I have heard things ranging from 24 to even 40 something ( for ex. I guess I read somewhere that Einstein made his greatest discoveries at 29, and Aristotle supossedly thought that the human body is at its best at 35 ). So fire away, what age should I choose to stay forever ?

[Shepard]

I listened to a lecture one time where someone said mathematicians peak at 20, physicists at 30, and biologists at 40.

These numbers always seemed arbitrary to me and meaningless.

Physically, many people reach their peak strength in their 40s. Other components of athleticism tend to peak earlier.

[thinkdifferent]

Hi all, I am a new member and I guess this is the right section to ask this. Since I recently turned 25 I have a question.

What do you think is the peaking age ( might be a couple of years span ) both physically and mentally, both in men and women ? I am wondering because I have heard things ranging from 24 to even 40 something ( for ex. I guess I read somewhere that Einstein made his greatest discoveries at 29, and Aristotle supossedly thought that the human body is at its best at 35 ). So fire away, what age should I choose to stay forever ?

Well,it depends on what parameters are you considering.

Athletic performance generally peaks somewhere between 25 and 30. In some sports the best tend to be a little older (boxing and cycling I think) or younger (swimming and gymnastic)

If you consider the all around person I think 35 can be a good compromise between knowledge, energy, experience, wellness, athletic performance, financial stability and confidence.

[chris w]

So something like late 30's and early 40's is generally still ok, I take from what you are saying. That is pretty cool because I thought I have already started riding down the mountain, but I guess I have this couple of years before that starts. So lucky me.

It also seems to me that these numbers concernig scientists that Shepard talkes about are taken out of the sky. As for brain you have to remember about the crucial role of intelectual stimuli. I recently noticed something about my grandma ( she is 90 ). Untill a moment she has always been sharp enough to carry a conversation ( even though I think she has never read anything more than polish versions of Hollywood Enquirer and the like ) but after she had gone half blind and half deaf, well, she just got kinda dumb. it's almost like when you are not able fully to have contact with other people's thoughts ( even stupid and meaningless), you forget how to think yourself.

Edited by chris w, 20 April 2010 - 03:00 PM.

[VidX]

I wouldn't worry too much as long as you are decently educated and keep educating yourself, as if you'll feel such a big need to "get back on top" we are getting closer and closer to manipulating physical and mental capacities with certain substances.
The physical peak bar rising up is most obvious in bdybuilding, as allways, as these guys are ready to experient with anything in order to improve lol.. Some of the guys reach their best shape well into their 40's and some show tremendous results even above 50, so it depends..

I knew one mathematics teacher. She was about 75 at that time. Of exceptional sharpness, she said she's kinda sad as she doesn't have what to talk about with people of her age so she went in various events to communicate with young people. She attended some kind of intellectual capacity "hightening" courses too, where people would meet and solve a very very difficult equations for like 24 hours non stop, sort of a small tournaments, etc.. Anyway, if I'd manage to be that sharp at that age I wouldn't worry about my mental abilities at all.
Oh and what a huge book shelf she had at her house.

Edited by VidX, 20 April 2010 - 03:35 PM.

[chris w]

I guess I'm more into "staying away from the bottom" kind of person than "getting back on top", but hey, I'll do whatever works anyway

I remember as a kid, looking at older people with walking canes or balconies and thinking "Why are they doing that ? Can't they just...walk like everybody else does?" I guess most children have this period of time, when they think that being old is just the way some people are born, or they chose it for some reason at one point.

She attended some kind of intellectual capacity "hightening" courses too, where people would meet and solve a very very difficult equations for like 24 hours non stop, sort of a small tournaments, etc.. .

Shit, my regular nightmare in 6th grade

Edited by chris w, 20 April 2010 - 07:32 PM.

[chris w]

I wouldn't worry too much as long as you are decently educated and keep educating yourself, as if you'll feel such a big need to "get back on top" we are getting closer and closer to manipulating physical and mental capacities with certain substances.
The physical peak bar rising up is most obvious in bdybuilding, as allways, as these guys are ready to experient with anything in order to improve lol.. Some of the guys reach their best shape well into their 40's and some show tremendous results even above 50, so it depends..

VidX, do you feel that the bbulding community would be generally responsive to the longevity meme, that we endorse here ? I mean, I'd hate to stereotypize, but those guys never seemed to me, like they neccessarilly wanted a long life but a lush life instead, just lot of flexin' and good lovin' afterwards. For some reason I don't think they would want to hear a bearded, skinny, long - haired guy with Cambridge accent in a flower shirt, you get what I mean. How could we sell the idea to them so that they don't perceive us as just another "substances" provider but ommiting the hard science stuff, that they might see as a bit faggy and not worth the time to promote?

Edited by chris w, 20 April 2010 - 11:51 PM.

[VidX]

As a long time bb'ing community member I can say that these are one of people that REALLY want to be young for as long as possible, be it for vanity reasons or not, people in bb'ing are kinda ready to experiment with various stuff if that will make them improve just a little bit. I know many guys well into their 40, some over 50 who are loaded on gear non-stop just to hold on that shape they created for so many years. The problem is - not many know something more about longevity science, except that GH will make even old fols strong and jacked again, and that's all they need lol..

[chris w]

As a long time bb'ing community member I can say that these are one of people that REALLY want to be young for as long as possible, be it for vanity reasons or not, people in bb'ing are kinda ready to experiment with various stuff if that will make them improve just a little bit. I know many guys well into their 40, some over 50 who are loaded on gear non-stop just to hold on that shape they created for so many years. The problem is - not many know something more about longevity science, except that GH will make even old fols strong and jacked again, and that's all they need lol..

I hate to say this, but something like "SENS guinea pigs" comes to mind lol

Edited by chris w, 21 April 2010 - 07:46 PM.

[Paul88z]

I listened to a lecture one time where someone said mathematicians peak at 20, physicists at 30, and biologists at 40.

These numbers always seemed arbitrary to me and meaningless.

Physically, many people reach their peak strength in their 40s. Other components of athleticism tend to peak earlier.

Yes i do also believe at 40, Have you've read? "life begins at 40" which i think its true because from this age those people at 40 had already establish their future from both career and personal life.

[hivemind]

50 is not pretty.

40+ is still bearable

[Luna]

It doesn't matter which age it will be - with anti aging technology you do not choose an age, you will simply optimize your system.

You could say what age is it best to look like, but that's a matter of taste.

[markhurt]

Taste for the look of a particular age is driven to a large extent by sociobiology, even if it is politically incorrect. Men the world over, no matter what their age, generally prefer the looks of women in their late teens to early twenties --- biology compels men's desire for looks signaling the greatest odds of fertility and health in the female. On the other hand, women's desire for those same attributes in a man is often trumped by the desire for an older- looking man who appears to have had had more years in which to enhance his social status, i.e., become an alpha male, and increase his ability to protect and provide for her and their offspring. The poorer the society, the truer the latter is. Thus, even young women regard "salt and pepper" hair as desirable in a mate in poorer countries like Vietnam and Indonesia.

It doesn't matter which age it will be - with anti aging technology you do not choose an age, you will simply optimize your system.

You could say what age is it best to look like, but that's a matter of taste.

[niner]

The stuff about people in different scientific and technological field "peaking" at different ages is not just arbitrary or made up. These are observational averages obtained from looking at the contributions or performance of people as they progress through their careers. The difference in ages reflects the degree to which the given field relies of depth of experience versus raw brain power. From my experience, I think the figures are meaningful. They are also broad averages, so that doesn't mean that a person couldn't "peak" or do something great a decade either side of the average, it's just less likely.

+1 on the sociobiology comment. Guys don't like young cute females because we're socialized that way; we're wired that way.

Luna is right; rejuvenation technology isn't going to be about picking an age. If it were to work spectacularly well, we might gain the strength and agility of youth while still maintaining the experience and wisdom of age, so we would be something unlike anything that has come before. The reality will probably be different than that, however.

[Shepard]

The stuff about people in different scientific and technological field "peaking" at different ages is not just arbitrary or made up. These are observational averages obtained from looking at the contributions or performance of people as they progress through their careers. The difference in ages reflects the degree to which the given field relies of depth of experience versus raw brain power. From my experience, I think the figures are meaningful. They are also broad averages, so that doesn't mean that a person couldn't "peak" or do something great a decade either side of the average, it's just less likely.

You're right, of course. I have this distaste for probability/statistics and their (mis)application to the individual (and reality, in some cases), which is where my above comment comes from. I don't think they are completely arbitrary, just not something that should occupy one's thoughts as the events that correlate with age are more likely to be the determining factors, not age itself. The same could be said for nailing down a physical peak, but I think there are far fewer variables to take into account.

Edited by Shepard, 24 August 2010 - 02:32 PM.

[kenny001]

I listened to a lecture one time where someone said mathematicians peak at 20, physicists at 30, and biologists at 40.

These numbers always seemed arbitrary to me and meaningless.

Physically, many people reach their peak strength in their 40s. Other components of athleticism tend to peak earlier.

i agree with you, but i think 18 is the best years for the people and 30 is the other good one.

[Rational Madman]

Hi all, I am a new member and I guess this is the right section to ask this. Since I recently turned 25 I have a question.

What do you think is the peaking age ( might be a couple of years span ) both physically and mentally, both in men and women ? I am wondering because I have heard things ranging from 24 to even 40 something ( for ex. I guess I read somewhere that Einstein made his greatest discoveries at 29, and Aristotle supossedly thought that the human body is at its best at 35 ). So fire away, what age should I choose to stay forever ?

There's the median age, but then again, there are also notable exceptions like Van Gogh and Henry Miller---and many, many more.