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[Logic]

I'm eager to try BHT so should I stop some supplements (vitamins/minerals) that I am currently taking as to notice the effects of BHT and perhaps to avoid any type of possible interaction? Let's say I am taking 10g of vitamin C daily, should I stop it while on BHT as it may exacerbate its effect?  
 
I'm looking at a bottle of BHT for sale and the directions isn't suggesting it to be taken as a supplement but more like a preservative. Maybe this is their leeway to get away with selling this? Even though it is sold in a typical supplement bottle, the directions suggests "Add one capsule to one quart of cooking oil to preserve freshness."
 
Is this their way of saying this is for preservative use only and it is fat soluble?

Your first question is a good one if BHT is a strong cytochrome P450 inhibitor.
Here are the threads that mention CYP-450 in this site:
http://www.google.co...0&gsc.q=CYP-450
I will go through them and report back here, but suggest you do so also.

BHT is sold as a preservative to avoid legal problems, but the advice to add it to your cooking oils is good IMHO as rancid/oxidised oil seems to be responsible for many of the diseases of aging and largely overlooked on this forum.
I wonder how well BHT does when the oil is heated for cooking?

Oral doses of around 1 gram are recommended to get the anti viral and other advantages of BHT.

Edited by Logic, 22 September 2014 - 11:31 AM.

[eon]

The BHT product I am looking to get is a 350mg pill. I don't know why they would sell it in pill form but advised it to be used as a preservative, nothing about a supplement. LOL.

 

Regarding oils, are you saying a lot of the fried foods we eat either at home or outside is an overlooked cause of aging and diseases? As a former restaurant worker, I've seen some of the oils used to fry foods that look dirtier and blacker than my vehicle oil. These restaurants seem to change their oils weekly. I have some coconut oil at home. I also wonder if what the BHT product is used while frying or after? I would think it would destroy BHT's antiviral properties and simply become only a preservative.

 

Also, the rancid stuff you mentioned, would an activated charcoal supplement be a good idea to take? I read it's great at removing toxin from the body but it will also drive out all the vitamins and minerals you took for the day. So is it best to take it a few hours after the vitamins and minerals you took has been used by the body? Off topic.

 

Regarding BHT's use for herpes, I heard it is effective. Correct me if I'm wrong but I may have read that herpes symptoms is exacerbated when using too much citrus, so would that mean a high dose vitamin C would make herpes symptoms worse? While I'm also reading that vitamin C is helpful for herpes. What vitamin should be avoided if any when a person has herpes?

[Logic]

BHT does not  seem to be a CYP450 inhibitor.
I guess this misconception comes from miss-reading either of these two studies:
http://www.reeis.usd...tioxidants.html
https://www.jstage.j...8_1197/_article

BHT seems in fact to be a potent CYP450, especially CYP3A, inducer:
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18570159
"...CYP2B6 and CYP 3A4 mRNA levels being induced around 12- and 7-fold, respectively, by 200 microM BHT..."

Here I think are the most interesting posts on BHT here:
http://www.longecity...ndpost&p=377164
http://www.longecity...ndpost&p=376441

 

[eon]

Is supplementing with BHT dangerous? Just curious what to expect when on it? Do you feel anything unusual when on it? Is it just for herpes or other things as well?

[Logic]

The Wiki info on CYP3A4 and CUP2B6 is worth reading as BHT is a strong CYP3A4/2B6 inducer and CYP3A4/2B6 can effect the metabolism of a large number of drugs and supps.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP3A4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CYP2B6

Notable is grapefruit juice.

Edited by Logic, 25 September 2014 - 11:27 AM.

[mpe]

Is supplementing with BHT dangerous? Just curious what to expect when on it? Do you feel anything unusual when on it? Is it just for herpes or other things as well?

 

My wife started on BHT 18 to 24 months ago, sorry I can't be more specific. Anyway she initially took 1 capsule daily for 1 month and then increased the dose to the recommended 700 mg per day (2 capsules).

 

Her LDL had increased from her last blood test, but her doctor wasn't that concerned; I presume the increase wasn't very large. I don't know as she didn't find out her before and after figures.

 

Her doctor asked her why she was taking it, she replied "for the herpes blisters on my hands". His only comment was to ask how she got it, as its a banned substance in Australia.

 

Her herpes outbreaks have gone from 4 or 5 a year to almost nil. Each successive outbreak was milder than the last and shorter duration also she has gone almost 8 months now since the last outbreak.

 

Hope this helps

 

Mike

[eon]

Great info Mike could it have been possible that her LDL being high was that because of what she was eating may have been affected by her BHT intake as well? Maybe if she was eating foods that affect cholesterol and perhaps BHT would interact with it? Does she eat meat, eggs, avocado, etc?

[mpe]

Well, its possible that the BHT was or is the cause of her elevated LDL, but menopause is probably the most likely culprit ( she is 55).Yes she does meat eggs etc. No she has no plans to discontinue the BHT or change her diet as she does not subscribe to the low fat mantra or wish to endure the return of herpes.

 

BTW, if you are going to try it, take it with breakfast and some fat, increase the dosage gradually and don't take very large doses (over 1.5 grams) you may damage your liver.

If you are taking it for Herpes, you will have to take it for a long time, so don't over do it.

 

Mike

[Logic]

Well, its possible that the BHT was or is the cause of her elevated LDL, but menopause is probably the most likely culprit ( she is 55).Yes she does meat eggs etc. No she has no plans to discontinue the BHT or change her diet as she does not subscribe to the low fat mantra or wish to endure the return of herpes.
 
BTW, if you are going to try it, take it with breakfast and some fat, increase the dosage gradually and don't take very large doses (over 1.5 grams) you may damage your liver.
If you are taking it for Herpes, you will have to take it for a long time, so don't over do it.
 
Mike

It looks like BHT does increase LDL, BUT high LDL is not bad; its oxidising/oxidised LDL that is the problem and BHT s good at stopping that oxidation.

http://www.longecity...ndpost&p=682561

[eon]

Good info. so I should not hesitate with trying out BHT then? I do have herpes and I believe recently it affected my eye, I just found out from a book called Life Extension about ocular herpes. While I haven't been diagnosed with it, I do have herpes and BHT is said to be experimentally effective for it and for ocular herpes. 

 

I'm not positive if citrus could exacerbate herpes. I have been taking a high dose of ascorbic acid so could this may have introduce what I think is "ocular herpes"? I've had herpes for several years now, I just think the ocular issue just showed up this summer. When I first took a high dose of zinc picolinate 50mg daily, I believe this is when I noticed a weird feeling in my right eye. I can see on the right part of the whites of my eye there is a tiny bump as if a "zit" of the eye. That area is slightly reddish and it feels as if hair or some foreign object is in my eye, which I could not find. I have been using some of those Red Eyes eye drops and I think it has helped a bit but the problem has not disappeared. Although a high dose of vitamin C has helped as well, but I'm not sure if I read somewhere that citrus could exacerbate herpes as much as it helps it. Eating those baby carrots has helped also but the eye irritation and redness and the "bump" comes back around. Would taking some eye vitamin like asthaxanthin and lutein help? I've tried it and may also have been the reason why I have this eye issue but I have a strong feeling it was the zinc picolinate as well. Just recently tried those when the eye issue occurred which is why I am speculating here. 

 

Is there such a thing as topical BHT or an eye dropper with BHT in it? I would think that would help rather than an oral pill.

Edited by eon, 30 September 2014 - 07:44 AM.

[mpe]

I read somewhere on the net once about a topical BHT preparation, but that was a while ago, I doubt you would find an eye dropper preparation. As far as I am aware BHT has only ever been available to the public as a food preservative, so it was surprising to find it sold as a pill and not just a powder. I'm not sure I would put it directly onto my eyes in any event.

 

Mike

[Logic]

Good info. so I should not hesitate with trying out BHT then? I do have herpes and I believe recently it affected my eye, I just found out from a book called Life Extension about ocular herpes. While I haven't been diagnosed with it, I do have herpes and BHT is said to be experimentally effective for it and for ocular herpes. 
 
I'm not positive if citrus could exacerbate herpes. I have been taking a high dose of ascorbic acid so could this may have introduce what I think is "ocular herpes"? I've had herpes for several years now, I just think the ocular issue just showed up this summer. When I first took a high dose of zinc picolinate 50mg daily, I believe this is when I noticed a weird feeling in my right eye. I can see on the right part of the whites of my eye there is a tiny bump as if a "zit" of the eye. That area is slightly reddish and it feels as if hair or some foreign object is in my eye, which I could not find. I have been using some of those Red Eyes eye drops and I think it has helped a bit but the problem has not disappeared. Although a high dose of vitamin C has helped as well, but I'm not sure if I read somewhere that citrus could exacerbate herpes as much as it helps it. Eating those baby carrots has helped also but the eye irritation and redness and the "bump" comes back around. Would taking some eye vitamin like asthaxanthin and lutein help? I've tried it and may also have been the reason why I have this eye issue but I have a strong feeling it was the zinc picolinate as well. Just recently tried those when the eye issue occurred which is why I am speculating here. 
 
Is there such a thing as topical BHT or an eye dropper with BHT in it? I would think that would help rather than an oral pill.

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Edited by Logic, 01 October 2014 - 02:48 AM.

[eon]

those products that supposedly have BHT is really just on the packaging and not in the actual edible product (as the case with cereals)? Right? That probably isn't even enough to get the supposedly benefits of BHT.

Edited by eon, 04 October 2014 - 12:17 PM.

[albedo]

Frankly, shouldn't we be better off with acyclovir to diminish HSV1 and 2 outbreaks frequency and severity as it looks pretty safe and effective (while expensive)?

 

Or are we concerned more about finding a cure for HSV or other lipid-coated viruses where some says BHT has a role? But what is the evidence though?

 

Recently and related I popped into royal jelly as a natural ways to help with herpes outbreaks:

http://www.woundsres...r-against-hsv-1

[eon]

I came across aromatherapy and people are saying Lavender works for them regarding their herpes symptoms. I've tried it more often recently. I'm surprise the eye issue I was having (ocular herpes?) seem to have been gone for the last few days. It could have been lots of other things involved as well like my zinc intake is now only once a week compared to daily. As I mentioned my use of 50mg zinc picollinate may have triggered my eye issue, which I think is ocular herpes. The symptoms were all there plus I have herpes.

 

Now here's the thing, since these last few days I started using the Lavender essential oil, and I started using TMG (trimethylglycine, betaine anhydrous) again, the eye issue is gone, compared to when it was irritating me daily for a few months. I can't find any scientific info. regarding the use of Lavender and or TMG having anything to do with the eyes or herpes. I have to mention I've been using Clear Eyes as well 2x daily compared to 1x, so that may have been of help, but like I said, all eye issue symptoms seem to have vanished these last few days. 

Edited by eon, 09 October 2014 - 11:02 AM.

[eon]

I found a chewing gum that could work as a Nootropic, that also has BHT as its ingredient:

 

http://www.moodandmi...hewing-Gum.html

 

I'm sure it's not enough BHT though. Also the product has titanium dioxide, not sure if that is harmful. Just a note: some of the food served at restaurants have this ingredient, look at the cinnastick icing dressing from Pizza Hut.

[eon]

OK so I finally found a product that has BHT in it. The cereal called Raisin Bran, by Malt-O-Meal, usually this comes in a bag and is sold cheaper than the boxed cereals. I bought it at Walmart a while ago and forgot to finish it up. I just "rediscovered" it in my cabinet. Unfortunately it expired. I guess time to buy another one, perhaps different flavor, same brand. I hope all the flavors the Malt-O-Meal brand sells has BHT. Anyone else know of a product that has BHT in their ingredients? List some here. I wished it didn't come with so much carbs like these cereals.

Edited by eon, 27 December 2014 - 11:44 AM.

[Logic]

Vitamin Research Products (VRP)sells capsules.

[eon]

I just saw my shaving cream has BHT as ingredient as well. Getting interesting. Probably why my face never showed any sores. Not sure how effective topical BHT is but today I looked at every cereal bags and boxes and some of them have BHT and some don't so I'm a BHT hunter these days. LOL. I'd have to look for lotion with BHT if I can find one.

 

Just found a list of products with BHT, even from the comments of the people:

 

http://thegoodhuman....hould-avoid-it/

 

Seems like there's 2 types of opinions regarding BHT use: one is to avoid it at all cost, two, people who have a use for it love it.

Edited by eon, 28 December 2014 - 12:00 PM.

[eon]

regarding BHT, I knew I saw it somewhere in a shampoo I used to use, Nizoral. I guess time to use it again. Upon looking it up, the soap Dove Beauty Bar was listed to have BHT as well. I'd just have to go to the store and see for my self.

 

Also...

 

"A study has found that phytoplankton, including the green algae, Botryococcus braunii, as well as three different cyanobacteria (Cylindrospermopsis raciborskii, Microcystis aeruginosa and Oscillatoria sp.) are capable of producing this compound. Confirmation was made via gas chromatography–mass spectrometry analysis." Wiki

 

Does this mean those green algae supplements would have BHT?

 

"It is (BHT) approved for use in European Union under E321 and in the U.S. by the Food and Drug Administration via regulation: For example, 21 CFR §137.350(a)(4) allows BHT up to 0.0033% by weight in "enriched rice", while 9 CFR §381.147(f)(1) allows up to 0.01% in poultry "by fat content". Wiki

 

At those low dosages would it even be listed in enriched rice and poultry the way BHT is listed in cereals? I wonder how much BHT is in cereals?

 

"The species (BHT?) behaves as a synthetic analogue of vitamin E, primarily acting as a terminating agent that suppresses autoxidation, a process whereby unsaturated (usually) organic compounds are attacked by atmospheric oxygen. BHT stops this autocatalytic reaction by converting peroxy radicals to hydroperoxides." Wiki

 

So what does vitamin E have to do with herpes? If there's such a thing as synthetic vitamin E, would that help with herpes? I would think any vitamin E not from food source would be considered lab-made (aka synthetic).

Edited by eon, 29 December 2014 - 02:05 PM.

[eon]

Would topical BHT (shampoos, soaps, lotions, etc.) be helpful as well?

[eon]

anyone here have an opinion on carrageenan? It seems more common than BHT as a preservative or a stabilizer.

[albedo]

I just which to link here also the discussion I found interesting on this and related topics here:

 

http://www.longecity...ndpost&p=766324

http://www.longecity...ndpost&p=766289

 

I dream about finding a cure for both HSV1 and HSV2

[Nate-2004]

Assuming people experimented with BHT on this thread, any outcomes?

[Nate-2004]

Didn't realize I'd looked into BHT before apparently and posted on this thread. It was brought up in the Dasatinib group Buy thread. From what I understand it's a CYP34A inducer among other liver enzymes also induced. I would hazard a guess that this is something you'd probably cycle in between other supplements like curcumin/bioperine which I believe rely on inhibition of these enzymes.

 

I'm still trying to understand the benefits of taking this. Examine, my usual go to, doesn't have a page on it. Logic said growth hormone is boosted as well as collagen? I did a google search on BHT and collagen finding very little.

[kurt9]

Given that we are in a period of COVID-19, might we consider once again the use of BHT as a prophylactic for SARS-CoV2? We do know BHT is effective against lipid coated viruses and, guess what? SARS-CoV2 is a lipid coated virus. 

 

Any thoughts, comments, or experiences?

[Oakman]

I take 300mg BHT 2-4 times a week along with a Tbsp of olive oil and food as a preventative for any possible CV I may contact unknowingly.  I take other safeguards (supplements) as well. No issues, nothing negative or noticeable to report. 

[kurt9]

I am seeing talk that BHT may increase the risk of cancer in certain  tissues. BHT is banned in Canada and Europe for this reason. It is not considered a carcinogen. But it could still be an issue.

 

I may use BHT as a prophylactic. But it seems to be one of those things, like senolytics, that has to be used judiciously. The question is what constitutes judicious use for the prevention of virus but not enough for the purported cancer risk.

 

Anyone else with thoughts on this?

 

Remember those Valtrex ads on television? I heard anecdotally that BHT works as well as Valtrex at preventing Herpes spread, and its certainly a lot cheaper.

Edited by kurt9, 06 May 2020 - 02:52 PM.