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[faust]

Ok, so if I understand, trading with smi2le is like trading with pushers, or its like lottery. One chance out of 2 to receive my stuff, and 1 chance out of 1 million to have an email. Ok, it's nootropics world. However, with Smart-Nutrition, you get an email, you can ask for a refund, and the website doesn't look like a sect's website.

I made a test by passing an order without giving my paiement through credit card, and I didn't even receive something to tell me to continue my order.

Sending 300$ to a strange guy doesn't sound good to me... and the community here doesn't seem to help eachother except for Nootropi who praises whoknowswhat about Smi2le... really strange. Other forums also have questions.

And there is Unipolar_Mania who cries to have his 500$ order and who isn't even able to tell us if he got it or not.

If Rizzer is that busy because he has too much orders, how come nobody received its order? (except for 1 or 2 who seem shady).

[scottl]

Guys as a relative outsider to this mess:

1. How in world did you find that weird website? http://www.theoxidizers.org/ and are you sure that Rizzo is the one who wrote all that...stuff?

2. From one brief interaction with him and following all of this, Rizzer seems like an honest person who is trying to do the right thing. I think he was rather treading water as far as his ability to keep up with things before the DEA, and must really be struggling now. If he does not have one, it sounds like he needs a good assistant.

[bigk]

When your viewing his main page just view the source(goto view --> source or view --> page source) then search for the url(www.theoxidizers.org), its processing the form that collects your email to be put on his mailing list.

Also SMI2lE is mentioned on this site http://www.theoxidizers.com/, they are selling homozon. It almost looks like an early advertisement for smi2le.biz, the page structure is similar on both websites.

[bigk]

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[krieg]

Ok, well let's keep the accusations down for now. Give it another week and if by then no one has received their order, above stated "theories" might not sound so odd after all.

1. How in world did you find that weird website? http://www.theoxidizers.org/ and are you sure that Rizzo is the one who wrote all that...stuff?

I signed up for SMI2LE.biz's mailinglist and saw http://www.theoxidiz...i2le/email.aspx in the address bar of my browser. Since I was bored I went to the mainpage (www.theoxidizers.org) and was..... surprised, to say the least. And here's an introduction to smi2le.biz: http://www.theoxidiz.../smartdrug.aspx

P.s: for any smartheads trying to email him at mike@compellingcode.com; the address doesn't work/exist no longer (did a WHOIS myself yesterday).

One more theory: notice how in the end the address "real.saxc.com" is mentioned. Well, that one doesn't work (but it states it will in 2005). But http://www.saxc.com/ does work... and where does it bring us? EXACTLY. So in 2005 will we get the "REAL" smi2le? [sfty]

FOR NOW LET'S JUST WAIT AND SEE IF OUR GOOD FRIEND CAN DELIVER

Edited by krieg, 25 October 2004 - 08:26 AM.

[unipolar_mania]

Has anyone thought Rizzer might be some psycho nut selling us powder with toxic substances that will kill us all in a few months time?

Nootropi tested the powder, but he might be in on it too. Perhaps Nootropi = Rizzer. It wouldn't surprise me, given how much he promotes him.

[bdnf]

Nootropi = Rizzer

It's funny, I have often thought that. But I doubt it. I just think Nootropi is a big nootropic fan and likes the cheap products Rizzer supplies (or rather, did supply).

As for the comment pertaining to "toxic powder", I suggest that you stay calm. Nobody has or will die.

[nootropi]

LOL, very funny. If you ask ejdavis1, cosmos, or even quazi, they can surely reassure you that nootropi is NOT rizzer. How do they know?

For one, I have spoken on the telephone with ejdavis1 several times, shipped items to cosmos and quazi (they will corroborate if you ask them). I have been lagging on sending something out to lynx, but that is purely because I am really backed up in my schoolwork.

And in case anybody wants to "verify" that nootropi is not rizzer, PM me your phone number and I will be happy to call you and make a conference call with rizzer, if you please.

To the rest of you in this thread: I do not know whether to break out laughing at some of your comments or to wonder how limited your understanding is of the inner workings of the Internet.

Who cares what domain names Rizzer owns? Who cares what data rizzer gave when he bought a domain name (you can tell them anything!)? Do you think rizzer had the aliens or something come down and register for him? If you know anything about the Internet, you would know that it is simply a linking of wires banded together indescriminately; a place of inconsistency and unsubstantiated contradiction. It is compeletly unregulated (assuming you live in a free country, that is) and thus infested with free speech.

Like I am sure most of you thought that 1fast400.com or bulknutrition.com was a "respectable" reseller of bulk nootropics. You see, appearances are decieving. I have proven that their owner is inconsistent and an outright liar who thinks we are too lazy (or ignorant) to connect the facts to their claims.

[humanesque]

Nootropi,

Track records do not meant squat, so please keep your defensive posture to yourself. The facts are you keep backing this guy up. Now, either you are in league with him, you know him via just by contacting him, or ARE him.

A simple yes I have evidence or not, would have sufficed. Obviously, do a defensive posture you feel quite threatned. Care to enlighten us all as to why?

HumanEsque

[nootropi]

Nootropi,

Track records do not meant squat, so please keep your defensive posture to yourself.  The facts are you keep backing this guy up.  Now, either you are in league with him, you know him via just by contacting him, or ARE him. 

A simple yes I have evidence or not, would have sufficed.  Obviously, do a defensive posture you feel quite threatned.  Care to enlighten us all as to why?

HumanEsque

Here you go again, HumanEsque, opening your mouth again without thinking. It really shows because your sentences do not have any syntax, as neither do your arguments. You speak in broken logic and English; however, at least you are consistent.

Sorry, I won't recognize your nonsense. Take it elsewhere, please.

[killer_macro]

Is this guy still around?

[scottl]

WHy don't you call him and find out?

[nootropi]

huh?

edit: Is that oxidizer website the new website for smi2le?

Why don't you ask him and report back to us? I am too busy with schoolwork to do that now.

[unipolar_mania]

I want him to explain himself here so everyone can put their mind at rest.

[nootropi]

I want him to explain himself here so everyone can put their mind at rest.

I see that is what you like. Rizzer's attorney may have instructed him to not make any public statements.

Why should he be required to ease the minds of anybody? My mind is at ease, at least.

With as reputable (not to mention respectable) of a customer satisfaction policy as Rizzer does, he probably should be selective about taking on new customers. You see, with his policies it might be in his best interests to adopt a careful policy when taking on new customers. If you knew him (as many members of this forum do) personally, you would know what I mean. He takes very good care of his clients.

Look: he is willing to let his customers join together and coordinate independent product testing on his bill. That is without doubt, hands down, the best way to earn your customer's respect. He trusts his clients, thus we trust him. It is a balanced equation.

[humanesque]

Noop,

Nice spin, guy.....Hmmmmmmm.......could you be located in the east, schooled at a prestigious ivy league university, programmed by parents but went the opposite extreme just to spite them? It certainly rather looks that way. Of course, it could be worse.......you would be working for an intelligence group of our armed forces. Come to think of it.................. Nah.........you're certainly not bright enough.

Have a very nice day [lol]

[nootropi]

Sorry, wise guy, you have it exactly the opposite. I live on the West Coast and attend a public university. I certainly am not intelligent.

[lepiricus]

I phoned Rizzer this afternoon. He told me that he is working on orders and should have everything caught up by the end of this week. It is not unexpected for him to be behind considering all he has had to endure the past few weeks. So, for all of those who were wondering about the status of sim2le, as of 12:30 cst today everything was fine and he is back on track. As for those who have emailed him and have received no response, I would rather him be working on fulfilling orders than responding to emails that may or may not be trivial anyway. You may now continue to conspiracy theorize as you wishl, but I thought I would provide some conclusive info to those who were curious and awaiting orders like myself. Take care.

[Mike M]

Like I am sure most of you thought that 1fast400.com or bulknutrition.com was a "respectable" reseller of bulk nootropics. You see, appearances are decieving. I have proven that their owner is inconsistent and an outright liar who thinks we are too lazy (or ignorant) to connect the facts to their claims.

I picture this guy in his room throwing darts at a picture of my website. Amazing how much he hates me. I guess with other sites having problems, such as not shipping items for over 4 weeks, he is worried they will come to my site. There is plenty of room for everyone in a market. Rizzer is obviously having problems he is trying to sort out. Funny how I'm told I have contamination issues, yet this dude is making stuff in his house? I hope he never sets off a bug bomb.

[nootropi]

To 1fast400/bulknutrition.com owner, Mike McClandless:

Hate you? Hardly. We are talking about trust and health. I value these. There is not hate, only value in my argument. Throwing darts? I can guarantee you that that is not the case.

However, when you boasted to me about your illustrious labelclaimstesting website, I took the extra time to investigate that indeed that site had "legs." Do you think I was impressed that there were no recent tests, and that the only tests available at that site were about protein bars, cereal bars, and peanut butter powder? Do you think it is really useful to assay a protein bar, cereal bars, and peanut butter powder when you sell powders that came from China that likely are a health hazard? Did you think me so naive to not do the fact checking and corroborations?

Don't you get it? I don't care about the assay of such products; because I don't ingest them. And then, with a little bit of searching (and I need to emphasize a little), I discovered that your website has shipped out falsely labeled products. Personally, I am pretty sure that I purchased some false products from your site. Can I verify this 100%? No. You fail to stand behind your products. You have claimed before that your supplier submits samples of your product for third party independent testing. Well I am not satisfied with that claim.

What about the supplier that supplied you with the false products? Is this the same supplier? I already asked you to identify this individual(s). Quite suspiciously you "protect" this individual while you have claimed elsewhere that you were "pursuing legal action" against him or her. You do not need to protect somebody who sold you a false product, especially because protecting their identity is not consistent with the "pursuit of legal action" against the individual. The fact that you do not disclose the entity that caused you to send out false products entirely supports the hypothesis that you not telling the truth, (which is consistent with your "convenient" omissions).

When I first uploaded the assay results from Rizzer's (smi2le) products, you were very critical and you and your associates were outright rude and inconsiderate. You said you wanted to "preserve the chain of custody." Great, so do I. I spend thousands of dollars on supplements yearly and value when my supplier values my business enough to consider my need to verify the quality of his product. Now Mr. Smi2le has agreed to allow his customers to form a club in which each of us is empowered to submit samples in exchange for dollar for dollar store credits.

Given our histories, I can only conclude that you will continue to stick to your policies of lying and omission and I will stick to mine of purity and quality control.

Further, I have renounced my position as the sole client submitting samples, so your conspiracy theorists can now retire.

Take care.

[vortexentity]

My friend received her order with an explaination of the delay. The time it took was only about 5 times as long as she has come to expect from bulknutrition. I have to tell you folks that since she received her order I withdraw that there is something shaky with this guy.

I think he could learn a great deal about operations from bulknutrition as far as doing things that let the customer stay aware of the process of their order. Other than that complaint I can see no justification for further riding of Rizzer for being overwhelmed by circumstances beyond his control.
.

[krieg]

Ok. I am waiting anxiously over here [lol]

[Mike M]

However, when you boasted to me about your illustrious labelclaimstesting website

For someone who intakes so many nootropics, I fail to understand why you don't understand the explanation of this. It was explained to you at least 2x on avant's message board. Unless I come to your house and write it in crayola, I don't think you'll ever understand.

Did you think me so naive to not do the fact checking and corroborations?

Yawn, you are to funny. You understand so little about the LEGAL aspect of testing.

Well I am not satisfied with that claim.

I guess I'm lucky you aren't my only customer. Unlike most sites, we made a mistake and fessed up to it. Other sites would likely not say anything and just let it go on. Nobody would have known. At least I was HONEST about an HONEST mistake. You don't test every item you get from rizzer, maybe you got sent something odd? At least I have a history of fessing up if a screw up happens. Incase you didn't know, we are human.

What about the supplier that supplied you with the false products? Is this the same supplier? I already asked you to identify this individual(s). Quite suspiciously you "protect" this individual while you have claimed elsewhere that you were "pursuing legal action" against him or her. You do not need to protect somebody who sold you a false product, especially because protecting their identity is not consistent with the "pursuit of legal action" against the individual. The fact that you do not disclose the entity that caused you to send out false products entirely supports the hypothesis that you not telling the truth, (which is consistent with your "convenient" omissions).

AIC I believe. I talked with Dsade2 and he seems to think that was it as well. They are located up north, NJ/PA or somewhere around there.

When I first uploaded the assay results from Rizzer's (smi2le) products, you were very critical and you and your associates were outright rude and inconsiderate. You said you wanted to "preserve the chain of custody."

Provide 1 link where I said anything like that about you testing RIZZER's stuff. Show me where I said this.

[nootropi]

Okay, well then you are officialy changing your stance on the issue of identifying the company that sold you false products. I really do not have a major issue with that other than to further question why you chose to not identify this company before. It is just more evidence of inconsistent behavior.

Being "honest" or not, it was not forthcoming. You did not disclose publicly that you sold false products. I had to reveal it (after a bit of 'googling') to prove my case; namely that mistakes do happen; that the wrong mistake could ultimately mean death or disease; and not having enough respect for your customers to decide when we feel a product may lack integrity is not something to be proud of (whether or not you have 'other customers' is irrelevant) when you have a history of selling mislabled products. The fact is you do not empower your customers; in fact, you dis-empower them by forbidding them to organize. Largely you are saying: "trust me, but I don't trust you." That is not a mutually beneficial relationship; surely one I would not choose to engage in if I had the choice; business or not.

Yes, I agree; you are lucky that I am not your only customer; then you would be out of business.

The "legal" aspect of testing (no need for CAPS LOCK here, we are listening) is just an element of credibility. You can label it as you'd like; the fact of this matter is you want to be held less accountable for the quality of your products than another vendor, whom maintains a much more aggressive accountabilty profile than yourself. In fact, Rizzer's policy is to also reimburse any customer whom wants to test other companies products and compare the results for both tests, in exchange for store credit. You see, Rizzer is intelligent; he knows that having such policies will attract customers. Considering the significant profit margins he may accrue as a results of having such policies, if each customer (customers whom interact with each other to organise such testing) gets a $10 credit on a $100 purchase while he is attracting 10 times as many customers will be a mutually benefical relationship (even profitable) between his (larger, by volume, and willing to communicate with each other, I assume) clients and himself. It can even be considered a burden on us customers to have to organize such testing. Yet I am willing to do it. So are some other members. So you see, it takes a bit of work on both sides. I want to make sure everybody submitting samples is credible too. I would do my best to ensure no member of such a group submit a degraded or false sample. But ultimately organizing such testing is not too difficult considering the importance of product purity and seller integrity.

I must go now. The other issues you raised, I really hope to get to sooner than later (it takes me time to search old forum entries for citations), but right now I am backed up with work to do.

Take care.

[krieg]

Good news!

10/26/04
We have been steadily getting out all orders and have gotten to some of the email but still have a decent amount of messages to answer, If you were wondering about order status; Any orders not yet shipped should be shipped out by the end of this week or Monday; At which time we beleive we should be fully caught up on everything. We thank everyone for their patience and support.

[Mike M]

Okay, well then you are officialy changing your stance on the issue of identifying the company that sold you false products. I really do not have a major issue with that other than to further question why you chose to not identify this company before. It is just more evidence of inconsistent behavior.

It isn't good business practice to slander companies on the internet. You just thought I was full of it, so I got tired of listening to you.

Being "honest" or not, it was not forthcoming. You did not disclose publicly that you sold false products.

There were 10 people that were sold the wrong thing, which we emailed directly, sent them the right item and gave them a 50 buck gift voucher if I remember right.

I had to reveal it (after a bit of 'googling') to prove my case;

Should Rizzer put a note on the front of his site if he sends someone the wrong thing? It is a mistake in an order. What are you thinking? Why would I put something like this on the front of the site. It was 1 mistake that was corrected. The people affected were contacted. Most before they even took it. It took all of 3 days for us to find all this out.

that the wrong mistake could ultimately mean death or disease

You are stupid.

when you have a history of selling mislabled products

We had 1 case. How can you be so sure nobody else has had one? What, they didn't tell you so it must not have happened, get real.

The "legal" aspect of testing (no need for CAPS LOCK here, we are listening) is just an element of credibility.

Figuring I spent close to 50k bucks in lawsuits over the label claims site, in cases where I was clearly in the right, I know FAR more about this than you could every possibly know. Please refrain from commenting on anything dealing with law and testing as you know nothing.

whom maintains a much more aggressive accountabilty profile than yourself.

Yeah, I see all the happy customers in this thread wondering if they are ever going to get their stuff. He doesn't respond to emails hasn't responded to phone calls. You have a real winner right there!

It can even be considered a burden on us customers to have to organize such testing. Yet I am willing to do it. So are some other members. So you see, it takes a bit of work on both sides. I want to make sure everybody submitting samples is credible too. I would do my best to ensure no member of such a group submit a degraded or false sample. But ultimately organizing such testing is not too difficult considering the importance of product purity and seller integrity.

Let me make something VERY clear. If you were to randomly test a product that was purchased by you, sent to you and then you sent to a lab. I would own everything you have. There is something called chain of custody, I suggest you read on it.

I must go now. The other issues you raised, I really hope to get to sooner than later (it takes me time to search old forum entries for citations), but right now I am backed up with work to do.

You had time to go on a worthless rant, but you can't prove this:

When I first uploaded the assay results from Rizzer's (smi2le) products, you were very critical and you and your associates were outright rude and inconsiderate. You said you wanted to "preserve the chain of custody."

Once again you have an amazing lack of understanding. You also make up crap out of thin air, which I will prove.

[lemon]

Mr. McClandless,

The fact is Smi2le has an open policy for its customers to assay it's products to a third party and then reimbuse with store credit. Quite frankly, I could give a damn about the legal ramifications. However, the overature exists and members like Nootropi have taken advantage of it. The act, in and of itself, speaks volumes with respect to customer-vendor trust.

In addition, the following phrases are not helping your goal of winning over customers:

"For someone who intakes so many nootropics..." (attacking much of your constituency).

"Yawn, you are so funny" (I said this in second grade).

"Yeah, I see all the happy customers in this thread wondering if they are ever going to get their stuff. He doesn't respond to emails hasn't responded to phone calls. You have a real winner right there!" (Vortexentity just announced order arrival. Lepericus announced his communications with Rizzer).

I for one ordered from you but will refrain from doing so in the future. Customer service representatives (of which you are assuming the role when posting as 1Fast400) do not behave so childishly to their customers, potential customers, or ex-customers.

[pinballwizard]

I guess there are several obvious conclustions from all the verbal attacks regardless of who is right:

1. There are a lot of strong personalities on the boards.
--That is ok, just so long as you post insights and experiences of supplements. I would rather have Bulk nutrition comment on some of my comments regarding DHEA or something. OR, nootropi keep up the good work then spending most of the typing on rhetoric.
--I understand that the vendors cannot make outright recommendations, however you can comment on studies of side effects and benefits. The "we might get sued argument" only goes so far.
--Hey, you can insult nootropi all you want, but when some novice has asked yearning for help, he has always been there to give an intelligent coherent reply. Where are the retailers advice? As a 1 month novice, you know where my loyalties are.

2. Trust no one, trust is earned.
--Look if you have a few number of posts, or you are a vendor or you have said some things that seem suspicious people are going to discount you. Perhaps you should not trust me, since I seemed somewhat loyal to SMI2LE (because of pricing) and I don't have that many posts.

3. Testing needs to be done for all vendors or suppliers by third parties.
--I don't see anything wrong with these tests by long-winded veteren posting groups here or at avant labs or wherever.

4. Consumers need to hold the vendors accountable for product quality, the products they send and the actual products they sell.
--I am reading on some of the boards that some vendors are supplying products that don't do anything.
--It bothers me that some vendors are not up to certain standards or professionality and product quality and that includes SMI2LE's totally freaky web-page design for example, his DEA stint, and his inability to respond in a reasonable manner (how long does it take to send out an email?) even considering the circumstances. I apologize for appearing too pro-SMI2LE.
--IMHO, Rizzer after he fills the back-orders should change his site.
--Not to be overly negative on Rizzer, I heard he is a very regular guy.

5. Vendors need to do more quality control.
--Perhaps you can post on your website what products taste like and what the residual ingredients are? Hell, I can post that and perhaps I will since I am not a total leach on these boards. What % purity are they willing to guarantee. Look have the manufacturers give you the info. This is pretty basic right?

6. In the end, ad hominem attacks are not necessarily going to help your case, but it could. We all have brains we can pick and choose what we think is the truth. If you want to attack each other, by all means do, but state the facts more and don't overstate your case because it all makes us all look stupid.

7. We should encourage high quality competition.
--This might include encouraging group buying products from a number of different vendors.
--This might include the punishing vendors collectively for poor quality, service, or deception.
--I might favor one company initially, but if I get a raw deal, I should spread the word, right?

8. If you do get a raw deal remember this. If you do post about your raw deal, don't reveal too many specifics so they find out who you are. You may be forced to buy from them again if a competitor goes out of business.
--there are few real competitors already...don't get black-balled by any of them.

I totally understand if you guys want to attack my point of view. Suppliers may disagree with what I think is correct. Some posters might dislike the fact that I am not going to pick a side now. Hey, you can please all the people all the time...

BOTTOM LINE
I just want to enhance my thinking and workouts with supplements.
This requires sharing info and helping you guys.

But, in the end, I hope to earn your trust, but that is all for you to decide.

Oh, I won't reply to your rhetoric. I think that is scratching an old wound. Time is better spent contributing to the body of knoweledge in here.

I hope you like it,

Pinball

[Mike M]

I suggest you guys read the avant labs message board where I've gone round and round with this guy. I explain things to him, as do others, yet he brings up the same points. He goes to a different message board to raise a point that has already been answered numerous times. He did this thinking I wouldn't find my way over. Honestly, I hardly check this board, but 2 people sent me links recently talking about his attacks.

It may be easy for you to cast away such things. You don't put 90 hours a week for 3 years and take things lightly. I've worked very hard to accomplish what I have. I do everything I can to assure customers get the best of everything from service to products. The nootropics I sell on my site are tested by the domestic suppliers that carry them. We now purchase things in such large lots, they have no choice. A supplier is held liable if a material doesn't match the COA which is provided. I'm not talking about the COA from china. I'm talking the one with their name on it.

I don't buy items direct from china. We don't have that luxury. China can send things via EMS/DHL if under 5kg, with no issues at all. I haven't placed an order that small in forever. We get suppliers to hold materials for us domestically. Our last piracetam order was for 500 kilo's. I bought all I could find domestically as it seems this compound will be an issue to get in the near future. You can't sneak things like that through customs.

Anyway, I'm getting off target here. I know nootropi helps a lot of people. He is a smart guy when it comes to these compounds. I've even addressed that on the avant board. Yet, for some reason, he totally ignores responses which answer his questions. Everyone else seems to get it, not sure why he doesn't.

You have someone attacking your company constantly, when his attacks have been answered numerous times, see how you would react.

I'll be gone to the olympia for 5 days, so I won't be able to respond till after then.