10 votes
Posted 23 July 2011 - 03:44 AM
Posted 23 July 2011 - 09:15 PM
Maybe there is not a god in the sense that most religious people think there is, but there could be some kind of god out there. I don't know how anyone could deny the possibility of a higher power's existence given that we have only scratched to surface of what there is to know about physics and the universe.
Posted 26 July 2011 - 08:39 AM
Edited by Mishael, 26 July 2011 - 09:33 AM.
Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:24 PM
SH, unbelief is sin. Read your bible. Moreover I feel that talking about the existence of God is but a horrendous distraction unless talking to an honest soul and even then atheist will always be creating more and more arguments and distracting you from the actual realities of the time and destroying your faith. Jesus our example did not operate in this manner. The bible plainly states the unbeliever as a fool. The bible is about moral reformation and revival. The dishonest atheist will have none of it. It is a waste of time to argue with such peole. People need to understand the times we are living in soon our liberties will be taken from us, read Revelation 13. Prophetic utterances more practical to our welfare are passing before our eyes unheeded. Take a look at our world we are headed for disaster, beware of those who cry peace and safety.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 12:30 AM
Edited by Rol82, 27 July 2011 - 12:30 AM.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 01:26 AM
SH, unbelief is sin. Read your bible. Moreover I feel that talking about the existence of God is but a horrendous distraction unless talking to an honest soul and even then atheist will always be creating more and more arguments and distracting you from the actual realities of the time and destroying your faith. Jesus our example did not operate in this manner. The bible plainly states the unbeliever as a fool. The bible is about moral reformation and revival. The dishonest atheist will have none of it. It is a waste of time to argue with such peole. People need to understand the times we are living in soon our liberties will be taken from us, read Revelation 13. Prophetic utterances more practical to our welfare are passing before our eyes unheeded. Take a look at our world we are headed for disaster, beware of those who cry peace and safety.
Christians can't even decide among themselves how to interpret the bible and there is a vast difference between the various religious sects ....so vast in many cases, that if one brand of christianity is correct, the other 90% of the christians are going to go to hell (if you follow the bible literally).
Rationality should be your religion and the sanctity of life should be your God. Too many atrocities have been committed in the name of religion (any) and people's minds have been chained for far too long by the false hopes and delusions offered up by religion.
Open your eyes... Jesus was a man, not a god. The bible was written by man, not a god. Look to your fellow man for salvation rather than finding it in burnt pieces of toast, stained credit card receipts, and water stains on the walls.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 01:27 AM
SH, unbelief is sin. Read your bible. Moreover I feel that talking about the existence of God is but a horrendous distraction unless talking to an honest soul and even then atheist will always be creating more and more arguments and distracting you from the actual realities of the time and destroying your faith. Jesus our example did not operate in this manner. The bible plainly states the unbeliever as a fool. The bible is about moral reformation and revival. The dishonest atheist will have none of it. It is a waste of time to argue with such peole. People need to understand the times we are living in soon our liberties will be taken from us, read Revelation 13. Prophetic utterances more practical to our welfare are passing before our eyes unheeded. Take a look at our world we are headed for disaster, beware of those who cry peace and safety.
Edited by MorganM, 27 July 2011 - 01:41 AM.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 01:42 AM
I'm embarrassed that it took me 28 years to realize the futility of this debate, because both sides are far too entrenched, and more importantly, its doubtful that either position will have universal appeal. So let me make a proposal, why don't we cease our fixation on the divisive notion of there being a higher power, and focus more on the shared values that are more likely to resonate universally? An agreement on the parameters, protections, and criteria for belief should serve as the foundation of harmony, even though I expect only a small number to embrace this cause initially.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 01:52 AM
SH, unbelief is sin. Read your bible. Moreover I feel that talking about the existence of God is but a horrendous distraction unless talking to an honest soul and even then atheist will always be creating more and more arguments and distracting you from the actual realities of the time and destroying your faith. Jesus our example did not operate in this manner. The bible plainly states the unbeliever as a fool. The bible is about moral reformation and revival. The dishonest atheist will have none of it. It is a waste of time to argue with such peole. People need to understand the times we are living in soon our liberties will be taken from us, read Revelation 13. Prophetic utterances more practical to our welfare are passing before our eyes unheeded. Take a look at our world we are headed for disaster, beware of those who cry peace and safety.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 02:02 AM
SH, unbelief is sin. Read your bible. Moreover I feel that talking about the existence of God is but a horrendous distraction unless talking to an honest soul and even then atheist will always be creating more and more arguments and distracting you from the actual realities of the time and destroying your faith. Jesus our example did not operate in this manner. The bible plainly states the unbeliever as a fool. The bible is about moral reformation and revival. The dishonest atheist will have none of it. It is a waste of time to argue with such peole. People need to understand the times we are living in soon our liberties will be taken from us, read Revelation 13. Prophetic utterances more practical to our welfare are passing before our eyes unheeded. Take a look at our world we are headed for disaster, beware of those who cry peace and safety.
Mishael, I have a good friend that says using the word Jesus is misguided and wrong. Evidently this name was developed by Greek/Romans and the "sus" part may have meant sun. Which means that Jesue is a pagan name, and not the name that Christians should be using. He says the right name is "Yahushua", the original hebrew name for God who came to us in human form. The name for god is "Ayahua". He also said that most Christians today are reading the wrong bible. He, and evidently many others, believe the typical Christian faith is lost, and I believe your group is included. What do you think about this? I did a little research and it appears he might be on to something.
Ya know, isn't it odd that saying Jesus Christ as a curse word rolls off the tongue and feels right, sort of like how the word "fuck" does? Actually, "Jesus Fucking Christ" seems to go together all too well. But when you say "Ayaushua" or "Ayahua", it feels more peaceful, more celebratory-there are no "c" or "k" sounds, which to me feel more appropriate for expressing anger and disgust.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 04:31 AM
Mishael, I have a good friend that says using the word Jesus is misguided and wrong. Evidently this name was developed by Greek/Romans and the "sus" part may have meant sun. Which means that Jesue is a pagan name, and not the name that Christians should be using. He says the right name is "Yahushua", the original hebrew name for God who came to us in human form. The name for god is "Ayahua". He also said that most Christians today are reading the wrong bible. He, and evidently many others, believe the typical Christian faith is lost, and I believe your group is included. What do you think about this? I did a little research and it appears he might be on to something.
Ya know, isn't it odd that saying Jesus Christ as a curse word rolls off the tongue and feels right, sort of like how the word "fuck" does? Actually, "Jesus Fucking Christ" seems to go together all too well. But when you say "Ayaushua" or "Ayahua", it feels more peaceful, more celebratory-there are no "c" or "k" sounds, which to me feel more appropriate for expressing anger and disgust.
Sounds like Jehovah Witness??? Kind of bigoted also.
Edited by MorganM, 27 July 2011 - 04:32 AM.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 12:42 PM
I'm embarrassed that it took me 28 years to realize the futility of this debate, because both sides are far too entrenched, and more importantly, its doubtful that either position will have universal appeal.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 12:47 PM
Most Christians do not think other Christians are going to hell. This is nonsense.
As for the rest of this post, it’s not worth answering. It is a perfect example of what it accuses others of.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 06:09 PM
Mishael, I have a good friend that says using the word Jesus is misguided and wrong. Evidently this name was developed by Greek/Romans and the "sus" part may have meant sun. Which means that Jesue is a pagan name, and not the name that Christians should be using. He says the right name is "Yahushua", the original hebrew name for God who came to us in human form. The name for god is "Ayahua". He also said that most Christians today are reading the wrong bible. He, and evidently many others, believe the typical Christian faith is lost, and I believe your group is included. What do you think about this? I did a little research and it appears he might be on to something.
Ya know, isn't it odd that saying Jesus Christ as a curse word rolls off the tongue and feels right, sort of like how the word "fuck" does? Actually, "Jesus Fucking Christ" seems to go together all too well. But when you say "Ayaushua" or "Ayahua", it feels more peaceful, more celebratory-there are no "c" or "k" sounds, which to me feel more appropriate for expressing anger and disgust.
Sounds like Jehovah Witness??? Kind of bigoted also.
Not bigoted at all. Why would you say this? Also, not jehovah witness, they've got it wrong too, as far as he and others are concerned. Maybe if you do some research you will better understand where they are coming from. I did, and it makes perfect sense to me. You guys are using the name given by roman pagans to worship your savior, a name that stands for "god of the sun" not the son of god. I can put you in touch with the guy if you want. I'm sure he'd be happy to talk to whomever.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 06:19 PM
Most Christians do not think other Christians are going to hell. This is nonsense.
As for the rest of this post, it's not worth answering. It is a perfect example of what it accuses others of.
First, I never claimed that 'most' christians think other christians are going to hell. What I said is that by the very tenants of thier faith, others would go to hell for being wrong. If the Catholic's are right ...all of you protestants are pretty much screwed.
Secondly, I find the last part of what you posted slightly odd. My hypocrisy was on point and done with intent. If there is a point, is it not ok to have a counter point? Or is it not ok to have a counter point if it is one that challenges your faith or lack thereof?
Posted 27 July 2011 - 06:56 PM
Posted 27 July 2011 - 07:08 PM
Shadowhawk, it would be better if you got in touch with my friend, he could give you all the evidence for why Jesus Christ is a pagan name and should not be used. He can discuss with you why Ayahua should be used for God, and Ayahushua should be used for Jesus. He can also explain why it is believed that most Christian faiths are lost. I can ask him if he would be willing to communicate with you via email.
Posted 27 July 2011 - 08:16 PM
Shadowhawk, it would be better if you got in touch with my friend, he could give you all the evidence for why Jesus Christ is a pagan name and should not be used. He can discuss with you why Ayahua should be used for God, and Ayahushua should be used for Jesus. He can also explain why it is believed that most Christian faiths are lost. I can ask him if he would be willing to communicate with you via email.
I would be happy to do so. Thanks. My email is on my profile.
Posted 28 July 2011 - 01:47 AM
Shadowhawk, it would be better if you got in touch with my friend, he could give you all the evidence for why Jesus Christ is a pagan name and should not be used. He can discuss with you why Ayahua should be used for God, and Ayahushua should be used for Jesus. He can also explain why it is believed that most Christian faiths are lost. I can ask him if he would be willing to communicate with you via email.
I would be happy to do so. Thanks. My email is on my profile.
Posted 28 July 2011 - 02:29 PM
Shadowhawk, it would be better if you got in touch with my friend, he could give you all the evidence for why Jesus Christ is a pagan name and should not be used. He can discuss with you why Ayahua should be used for God, and Ayahushua should be used for Jesus. He can also explain why it is believed that most Christian faiths are lost. I can ask him if he would be willing to communicate with you via email.
Posted 28 July 2011 - 04:39 PM
Shadowhawk, it would be better if you got in touch with my friend, he could give you all the evidence for why Jesus Christ is a pagan name and should not be used. He can discuss with you why Ayahua should be used for God, and Ayahushua should be used for Jesus. He can also explain why it is believed that most Christian faiths are lost. I can ask him if he would be willing to communicate with you via email.
Was your buddy using DMT or Ayahuasca when he came to these conclusions?
Posted 30 September 2011 - 08:32 PM
I'm embarrassed that it took me 28 years to realize the futility of this debate, because both sides are far too entrenched, and more importantly, its doubtful that either position will have universal appeal. So let me make a proposal, why don't we cease our fixation on the divisive notion of there being a higher power, and focus more on the shared values that are more likely to resonate universally? An agreement on the parameters, protections, and criteria for belief should serve as the foundation of harmony, even though I expect only a small number to embrace this cause initially.
Posted 30 September 2011 - 11:48 PM
Too lazy to exposit Aristotilian logic on here, but this book is great on that and supernatural nonsense: http://www.amazon.co...f/dp/087975124X
That's an excellent read. If I may recommend a good book myself, The Nonexistence of God by Nicholas Everitt deals with all the logical inconsistencies inherent in the Judeo-Chriso-Islamic theologians' concept of God in detail.
Posted 04 October 2011 - 05:41 PM
I'm embarrassed that it took me 28 years to realize the futility of this debate, because both sides are far too entrenched, and more importantly, its doubtful that either position will have universal appeal. So let me make a proposal, why don't we cease our fixation on the divisive notion of there being a higher power, and focus more on the shared values that are more likely to resonate universally? An agreement on the parameters, protections, and criteria for belief should serve as the foundation of harmony, even though I expect only a small number to embrace this cause initially.
This debate is not futile, and your arguments for why it is are weak.
"because both sides are far too entrenched"
To hold any belief at all is to be committed to it in some degree. Regardless of the degree, the level of commitment to a belief has no bearing on the validity of a belief. Some people believe we should still have slaves; others do not. Do we simply stop debating the issue, simply because both sites are entrenched in their beliefs?
"its doubtful that either position will have universal appeal"
Appeal has nothing to do with truth. This isn't a debate about what will be popular, or even what will make people happy. It is reasoning what likely is or what likely isn't.
Shadowhawk, I sympathize with you. You put your points forward and attempted to reason the validity of your claims. You were objective and even friendly. Almost (not all) everyone else simply left nasty remarks. This forum is all about putting in serious thought and research...People, please don't be intellectually lazy here. It benefits no one, and critically thinking might. Even if you don't come to an answer, to be cordial with one another is a step in the right direction. It is POSSIBLE that no answer may be found by reason alone; that does not mean we should stop reasoning on the existence of God.
Posted 04 October 2011 - 07:59 PM
Posted 05 October 2011 - 12:57 PM
I'm embarrassed that it took me 28 years to realize the futility of this debate, because both sides are far too entrenched, and more importantly, its doubtful that either position will have universal appeal. So let me make a proposal, why don't we cease our fixation on the divisive notion of there being a higher power, and focus more on the shared values that are more likely to resonate universally? An agreement on the parameters, protections, and criteria for belief should serve as the foundation of harmony, even though I expect only a small number to embrace this cause initially.
This debate is not futile, and your arguments for why it is are weak.
"because both sides are far too entrenched"
To hold any belief at all is to be committed to it in some degree. Regardless of the degree, the level of commitment to a belief has no bearing on the validity of a belief. Some people believe we should still have slaves; others do not. Do we simply stop debating the issue, simply because both sites are entrenched in their beliefs?
"its doubtful that either position will have universal appeal"
Appeal has nothing to do with truth. This isn't a debate about what will be popular, or even what will make people happy. It is reasoning what likely is or what likely isn't.
Shadowhawk, I sympathize with you. You put your points forward and attempted to reason the validity of your claims. You were objective and even friendly. Almost (not all) everyone else simply left nasty remarks. This forum is all about putting in serious thought and research...People, please don't be intellectually lazy here. It benefits no one, and critically thinking might. Even if you don't come to an answer, to be cordial with one another is a step in the right direction. It is POSSIBLE that no answer may be found by reason alone; that does not mean we should stop reasoning on the existence of God.
Good post Neuroguy. God is most definitely (at the very least) theoretically possible. God's existence is highly probable and in my view (and i believe the majesty and awe of the universe [superverse] point to God's likely existence as well), God is more likely to exist than to not exist. Nothing good can from militantly-atheistic philosophy (then again nothing good is likely to come from militantly-religious ideology either). I don't think science, regardless of how advanced, will ever be able to prove the existence of God entirely. There is an element to the God equation that must be experienced personally, that is existential and transcendent at the same time. It is my opinion that science will never be able to fully capture and qualify this truth. Some call it faith, i call it transcendent reason because it is not entirely 'blind' faith, but faith arrived at through reason, wisdom, and personalized interpretation of transcendent-existential experience. I suspect that those who take the hardcore-atheist route may actually be doing themselves a disservice by closing their own mind off to the possibility of such an experience, and/or if they do have it they may negatively internalize or over-intellectualize the experience. In the end, i think it is better to believe in God than not to believe, and there is certainly far more reason to believe God exists than to not believe.
Edited by NeuroGuy, 05 October 2011 - 12:58 PM.
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