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[stellar]

I could not agree more.  ImmInst.org should not have pushed this matter aside.  Lazarus Long is doing a very poor job at this forum.

Hey troll_lee, please go away FFS!!

[todd_lee]

Hey troll_lee, please go away FFS!!

[g:)]

[stellar]

Hey troll_lee:

Are you ever going to post anything useful for the members of this forum?
Let me give you an example: tonight I posted a message regarding a new form of Acetyl L Carnitine.
What have you contributed besides focusing criticism soley on Nootropi?

[magr]

I still think this forum (and several members who post in it) needs to focus much more on nootropics and not on how or whom we get them from. How or whom we get our nootropics should not be the focus of the discussions, in my opinion. It seems that most of the recent posts have been directed at customer service issues.

Take a look at the posts you have made, in how many do you either promote smi2le or try to make 1fast400 look bad?

Please stop advertising smi2le in every other post.

[todd_lee]

Stellar, look at yourself.

[nootropi]

I still find it quite amusing that so many members here are nootropi experts as opposed to nootropic experts; Sparticle, if you were to spend 1/10 of the time you spend thinking about me searching for new effective nootropic treatments rather than nootropi treatments (that includes searching the web for possible matches for mental disorders), this community might be able to focus entirely on your favorite topic: customer service issues (as pondering nootropi might be too challenging to suit your intellectual abilites). [lol]

There is no grey area for me in supplier related issues, you see; therefore I do not consider a discussion choosing a supplier a productive topic. I can tell that you are a bit slow on picking up on some pretty basic principles that form the basis of economic theory; namely, supply, demand, liability, and quality control; so I will try to say this is a way that even mentally challenged readers may be able to understand:

There is only one supplier of nootropics on this planet that I know of (please inform me of the others if you happen to know of any) that permits (or encourages) his customers coordinate independent third party testing in exchange for credit at his store. I see that this is a confusing concept for you to grasp; thus an area ripe for development for you and your associates would be introductory economic theory. This short article might help you to start.

Be well.

Edited by nootropi, 28 November 2004 - 03:41 PM.

[nootropi]

Hey troll_lee:

Are you ever going to post anything useful for the members of this forum?
Let me give you an example: tonight I posted a message regarding a new form of Acetyl L Carnitine.
What have you contributed besides focusing criticism soley on Nootropi?

stellar:

While I appreciate your intentions, you need not support me. Trust me: the members of this forum are quite aware.

When folks join here just to complain, posts directed at discreditation are disregarded and seen as futile sales tactics. You see, that is one of the differences between this forum and Avant labs. You asked why I do not post there anymore...here is my reply: if I spend half of the time I have set aside to participate in forum discussions between this forum and Avant, I would end up only explaining what is identified as self evident to members of the Immortality Institute to the Avant labs members about 30% of that time, 10% replying to customer service topics, and only 10% actually discussing nootropics. At least here I find myself discussion nootropics far more.

Be well.

[geigertube]

I just recieved the last of my shipment from Rizzer.  He seems to be back in the swing of things, so I'll be ordering more stuff pronto.

Steven

I still think this forum (and several members who post in it) needs to focus much more on nootropics and not on how or whom we get them from. How or whom we get our nootropics should not be the focus of the discussions, in my opinion. It seems that most of the recent posts have been directed at customer service issues.

Nootropi,


Since the suppliers are 1/2 of the equation, I find this discussion to be relevant.

YMMV,

Steven

[jack42]

I for one wish to know of the problems or suscesses with suppliers.
Being new here, this info guides me to the best suppliers and helps me avoid the poor ones.

Jack

[todd_lee]

Smi2le.biz is a very poor supplier we should all be aware of. A considerable number of people have viewed this topic, hence indicating this topic is important to many people.

For those of you who do not think this topic is relevant, the answer is simple, stop viewing this thread. Did you not think of that?

Edited by todd_lee, 28 November 2004 - 08:50 PM.

[nootropi]

Smi2le.biz is a very poor supplier we should all be aware of.  A considerable number of people have viewed this topic, hence indicating this topic is important to many people.

For those of you who do not think this topic is relevant, the answer is simple, stop viewing this thread.  Did you not think of that?

smi2le.biz is such a good vendor that he arises such envy in his competitors that they feel the need to discredit him at will to compensate for their lost revenues.

[stellar]

smi2le.biz is such a good vendor that he arises such envy in his competitors that they feel the need to discredit him at will to compensate for their lost revenues.

Nootropi,
I have read in the past that Rizzer thought it was one of his neighbors that tipped off the DEA. However, I think that it is more likely that one of his competitors sent in an anonymous tip.

[lynx]

I for one wish to know of the problems or suscesses with suppliers.
Being new here, this info guides me to the best suppliers and helps me avoid the poor ones.

Jack

Bravo!!!.

I mean, who the hell would want to tell Underwriter's Labs or Consumer Reports to stop alerting people to potential problems.

[todd_lee]

smi2le.biz is such a good vendor that he arises such envy in his competitors

smi2le.biz evokes much anger since he has ripped many people off. Why doesn't Rizzer comment on the issues raised in this thread? Or are you his spokesperson?

[nootropi]

Smi2le.biz is a very poor supplier we should all be aware of.  A considerable number of people have viewed this topic, hence indicating this topic is important to many people.

For those of you who do not think this topic is relevant, the answer is simple, stop viewing this thread.  Did you not think of that?

smi2le.biz is such a good vendor that he arises such envy in his competitors that they feel the need to discredit him at will to compensate for their lost revenues.

[Mike M]

It still hasn't been proven the DEA even showed up. If anything, the DEA website said he hasn't had anything done to him. I don't need to discredit him, seems he does a good enough job himself. Look through previous post of mine on Avant and elsewhere, I've never attacked Rizzer, just nootropi for telling lies. This DEA deal finally started sounding way to fishy. Everyone seems to trust he is telling the truth on this, yet there is no proof. Hmmmmmm

As far as envy, that is quite funny.

[stellar]

It still hasn't been proven the DEA even showed up. If anything, the DEA website said he hasn't had anything done to him. I don't need to discredit him, seems he does a good enough job himself. Look through previous post of mine on Avant and elsewhere, I've never attacked Rizzer, just nootropi for telling lies. This DEA deal finally started sounding way to fishy. Everyone seems to trust he is telling the truth on this, yet there is no proof. Hmmmmmm

Since you're here speculating about certain events, let me do some of my own:
It's quite interesting that you posted on this thread after I posted that "a competitor could have tipped the DEA off". I didn't name any specific competitors, yet here you are responding to the charge. Hmm...

Early on in the post you state that "I don't need to discredit him, seems he does a good enough job himself", but at the end you said "This DEA deal finally started sounding way to fishy. Everyone seems to trust he is telling the truth, yet there is no proof".

So if he didn't need to be discredited, then why did you go on to say that you believe the DEA raid was ficticious?
I'm sure if he offered up some proof, you would still find a way to criticize him. It seems like he's back up to speed, we'll know more in the coming months.


Rizzer or not, the more competition among Nootropic/Supplement retailers is good for the consumer. If his business goes down in flames, don't get too giddy. Another one will pop up in a matter of months. Even if he doesn't go out of business, I do hope that another one emerges. It's good for US!!!!


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[scottl]

Stellar,

Nootropics are a small percentage of 1fast400s business.

[stellar]

Stellar,

Nootropics are a small percentage of 1fast400s business.

LOL!
Obviously it's enough for him to feel the need to post about Rizzer and speculate on whether the DEA raid occurred.

[sparticle]

Nootropi - you're right that it is a waste of time for me to discuss what pathologies you might have, or what you should to do to correct them... I've wasted quite a bit of time trying to affect other people on internet forums when all in all it's pretty futile..

Per the scam DEA idea - I HIGHLY doubt Rizzer would concoct an elaborate scheme like that just to have an excuse for taking a long time to get orders out. It would be very bad for business - I mean, you could come up with a number of other stories that wouldn't scare customers off...

And moreover, you can bet that the DEA constantly moniters all websites selling psychoactive substances - a REALLY fast way to get the DEA investigating (re: knocking down your door) you would be to tell the whole internet community that they raided you when they didn't!!

LOL, I mean, come the fuck on - that's essentially libel against a government agency - you'd have to be a complete and total freakin idiot to do something like that...

[magr]

I for one would like to know if the DEA ordeal really happened, wouldn't you?

[todd_lee]

I would too.

[Mike M]

Since you're here speculating about certain events, let me do some of my own:
It's quite interesting that you posted on this thread after I posted that "a competitor could have tipped the DEA off". I didn't name any specific competitors, yet here you are responding to the charge. Hmm...

haha, what would I "tip" the DEA to? If you guys knew anything about the DEA, they send you letters and document everything in regard to this stuff. I've actually dealt with them and had them out to my place, but I invited them. Seems nobody trust anything I say and everything rizzer says. Yet, he has no proof of any of this stuff going on.

Early on in the post you state that "I don't need to discredit him, seems he does a good enough job himself", but at the end you said "This DEA deal finally started sounding way to fishy. Everyone seems to trust he is telling the truth, yet there is no proof".

Exactly I don't have to discredit him, his own doing is enough. If I were trying to discredit him I would make things up. I just take things that have actually happened and ask people to look at them. Dopamine I think did a search within the DEA and came up with nothing in Rizzer's area...hmmmm.

So if he didn't need to be discredited, then why did you go on to say that you believe the DEA raid was ficticious?

There is no proof it happened. If he woudl lie about something like this, then it would speak volumes about his character.

I'm sure if he offered up some proof, you would still find a way to criticize him. It seems like he's back up to speed, we'll know more in the coming months.

Not at all, I would GLADLY retract any/all statements in regard to this.

Rizzer or not, the more competition among Nootropic/Supplement retailers is good for the consumer. If his business goes down in flames, don't get too giddy. Another one will pop up in a matter of months. Even if he doesn't go out of business, I do hope that another one emerges. It's good for US!!!!

There are probably 3-4 items I wouldn't have picked up if not for him. He expands the market, just like any other person that started up to compete. The difference is, this stuff isn't as easy as just throwing in a box and shipping it out. If it was, there would be 100's of people doing what we do. This business is MUCH harder than people realize.

[nootropi]

1fast400,

The fact still remains, you are deceptive; have shipped out false products, and do not engage in trusting relations with your clients. Not all of us are as gullible as the "so called" doctors around here (and note we also do not claim to be doctors).

And you post here only to increase your sales.

I stand behind smi2le.biz, because he stands behind the members of the Immortality Institute. Please read this 1fast400, and other members concerned with nootropic quality control and vendor-client relations

[magr]

This third-party testing seems nice, if you get the products that is.

How am i going to send any samples of something i haven't got?

[nootropi]

This third-party testing seems nice, if you get the products that is.

How am i going to send any samples of something i haven't got?

As you are not a full member of Imminst, and you have played a largely critical role in discrediting the individual sponsoring these events, it is hard to rationalize that other members will see you as a credible member (enough so to submit samples).

Basic members who I would like to submit samples, based on their excellent (and indeed impartial) posting records:

1. Cosmos
2. Lynx
3. Zen Catholic

There are several more, but those are the first three that come to mind.

[Mike M]

I guess that would be the problem. If a lab ordered from Rizzer he probably wouldn't get any product.

[Mike M]

Watch what happens when a 3rd party test comes back bad. If that happened the consumer, since chain of custody was not followed properly, could then be sued for up to 3x damages that rizzer incurred due to the posting of the report.

If I had a sample of Rizzer's stuff and sent it in and it came back bad, nobody would trust the test. They shouldn't, because I could obviously tamper with it. That is the problem with testing like this. The only way to take the liability away from the consumer is to have the lab order straight from Rizzer's site. This is basic law stuff.

[nootropi]

Once again, 1fast400 -- your peculiar way of looking at things clearly shows how you think of other people -- and thus yourself. You clearly have integrity issues. You should not be involved in any business that requires trust on the side of the consumer, as you have little faith in human relations, as evidenced in your fabrication of evidence and consistent statements of mistrust of the populace, and futher, the members of this forum. Maybe you should look into...I don't know...online gambling? First, you don't even take nootropics, okay? Second, you know nothing about them. Third, you have been caught "red handed" several times making statements inconsistent with reality regarding your quality control procedures. The list only grows longer...

If a test comes back bad -- the procedure is quite simple, those whom recieved the product will have a choice, refund, or an exchange for another product. But at least we have a vendor taking steps towards safety and customer satisfaction; unlike yourself, Mr. 1fast400.

I have other things to do today, and probably for the remainder of the week and the one that follows it; I will probably not be available for comment until mid December, when I will be coordinating the testing of Chinese imports with the members whom are respected as contributors to the knowledge base of this forum.

Be well

[magr]

This third-party testing seems nice, if you get the products that is.

How am i going to send any samples of something i haven't got?

As you are not a full member of Imminst, and you have played a largely critical role in discrediting the individual sponsoring these events, it is hard to rationalize that other members will see you as a credible member (enough so to submit samples).

Basic members who I would like to submit samples, based on their excellent (and indeed impartial) posting records:

1. Cosmos
2. Lynx
3. Zen Catholic

There are several more, but those are the first three that come to mind.

I was talking about taking up on that store credit for testing thing.