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[hyoomen]

I'll certainly be checking B-A-C out in the future. Additionally, I have initiated an exploration into the basics of a nootropic/supplement provider business model and secured a few interested parties as possible business partners. In all likelihood, nothing would come down the line for another 4-6 months, but perhaps. I'm just not yet sure I want to completely extricate myself from all of the illicit/illegal facets of my life.

BTW, I am a domestic customer of Rizzer's and -- while my order did arrive -- I do believe the lack of invoicing and order confirmation, as well as the issue of misbilling is suspect. *shrug* Everybody is willing to put up w/ different things when seeking the best price, though.

[Mike M]

Once again, another baseless accusation from a direct competitor of Rizzer.

How is it baseless? You got anything showing this happened? You guys put your full trust into this guy. He post no COA's of his materials, you just take his word. You take his word he is going to ship products. You take his word that the DEA deal happened, yet there is no proof of it. If he lied about the DEA deal would you still trust this guy? If trust is such a huge part of all this I think I would want to know.

If Rizzer wasn't a threat to his business, do you think he would waste his time posting this crap? Apparently, 1FAST400 takes Rizzer seriously.

hahahahahahaha. I just find it funny. After having Nootropi follow me around for a few months and post nothing but lies posted, you tend to want to defend yourself. Now that guy nootropi looks upon as the nootropic god is having trouble, yes, I do like to poke fun. Nootropi's thing has been based around trust, yet nothing can be found but lies.

A DEA raid is likely, given that which Rizzer sells. Trying to prove that the raid didn't happen by pointing out that it wasnt "listed" on the DEA website is laughable.

Then show 1 thing that shows the DEA deal happened. You just believe it because he said so? What does he have that the DEA would be interested in? I have more experience with the DEA than anyone on this board. I can't wait for you to defend this one.

Then again, it isn't surprising to see a direct competitor do this. Regardless of 1FAST400's service record, I will never order anything from them based on this unprofessional behavior. A man worth doing business with doesn't spend his time continually trying to discredit his competitor on message boards. He doesn't have to, because his business speaks for itself (again, he considers Rizzer a threat to his business otherwise he wouldnt involve himself in these discussions).

Yeah, I have taken it to far, I admit that. You bust your ass to build a business like I have and have some psycho like Nootropi going around bashing it and see what you do. Now that guy that Nootropi has held in the highest regard is lying his ass off. Sorry, I just find it really funny.

[braindrain]

This should be easy to verify, it will just require someone with some spare time, google, and some national minutes. Sorry, it won't be me, I'm lacking the first requirement. The local DEA office should be able to confirm an address and a date, at the very least. Rizzer also posted the name of his lawyer at one time, call him, then verify his credentials with the state bar association.

I make the above statement because, although trying to be open minded, I do believe the statement about the raid. Rizzer went from not-so-professional, but a good choice, to complete-unresponsive, for a while at least, and SOMETHING triggered that change. The fact that it could be verified false would also be a factor in me deciding to post such a statement. Maybe he got a girlfriend, or had a shipment held, or he got raided. Personally, I wouldn't risk being found out.

Since we're tossing theories out, here's one: What if a lot of the orders that weren't delivered were stored on the system that the DEA took? He wouldn't want to state that because you'd have every money-grubbing yahoo looking for something for free saying "you never filled my order!" Not a good theory, but a theory.

I've stated on avant that I think that competition is good for business, and consumers, but in this case, it dosen't seem to be having the desired effect. Smi2le maintains fantastic prices, and awesome selection, but has questionable customer service (even though he does make up for it with free products), others have higher prices, lower selection, but will get your stuff to you just as fast as you want it. Then there is the whole COA thing. It would seem that the owners are polarized by saying that they believe their path is the better one because of the shortcoming of the others, rather than trying to make compromises and delivering a better end result to the consumer. If this was really working, there wouldn't be this massive anti-smi2le thread, but maybe a few "he didn't deliver, I'm only ordering from ABC". It is a shame.

I am going to actively try sourcing some things directly from China and see how it goes. If well, I would probably be buying in year-long quantites and be happy to contribute the rest to a co-op of some sort.

[Mike M]

You will likely be better off sourcing domestic. Since you have no credit history with these companies oversea's you'll be required to wire the funds previous to your order if done direct in china. You then have to hope they actually send the items and they don't get caught.

The first time I ordered 1-test powder 3 years ago I about died. I wired 3200 bucks and prayed they would send my items. It is a nerve wrecking experience.

At least with domestic you have a case to fallback on if they don't deliver. Try collecting funds from a chinaman that didn't send your stuff, not fun.

[dopamine]

It should be noted that the DEA loves to flaunt when it makes a bust, even if it isn't eventually legally successful (that part doesn't get reported).

The DEA usually publishes a press release after a raid on a relatively big operation. It is possible that they didn't report on it because they considered it small potatoes, but that would be a little inconsistent with their well-known technique of making examples of businesses who sell "illegal" products. If the DEA were really cracking down on smart drugs and prohormones, they would probably state that fact and back it up with an example of someone they had busted.

The following page lists websites which the DEA busted for selling "illegal designer drugs" - the closest publicly known operation in which Rizzer could have been involved. His site is not listed, but the news release is dated July 22, 2004. So as of now, it seems as though it is possible, though there is no evidence to support the claim that I have found.

http://www.dea.gov/p...l/pr072204.html

[ozone]

"How about people stop posting crap."

NO ONE (short of the mods) has any right to tell people what to post.

Sure. Everyone has a right. But everyone also has the right not to listen. [thumb]

[pinballwizard]

rec.drugs.smart and other Nootropic forums.

Perhaps you can tell me about the other forums. Do you have links?

Thanks in advance.

[thefirstimmortal]

domestic[/b] problems yet.

Well, I'm domestic, and I'm having problems. No returned e-mail, no returned phone call, noooo product yet. And I'm feeling a little uneasy that he has my credit card number right now.

[ozone]

All I have found is that people that make international orders have problems getting their stuff]domestic[/b] problems yet.

Well, I'm domestic, and I'm having problems. No returned e-mail, no returned phone call, noooo product yet. And I'm feeling a little uneasy that he has my credit card number right now.

I am thinking another possible reason for the delay might be a lot of orders for "individualized" stuff - i.e., personalized dosages. I ordered just tubs of powder, no pills.

1. What did you order? Pills/Powder?

2. What items did you order? Some stuff is out of stock he said; R-ALA for example. I bought some K-R-ALA which is in stock.

[scottl]

Ozone this is beyond silly. I placed orders from 1fast400 and i-herb Monday about 5AM, and both arrived today.

[stellar]

How is it baseless?  You got anything showing this happened?  If trust is such a huge part of all this I think I would want to know.

It is baseless because you have no proof!
Yet you continue to repeat "he lied! he lied!", again as a direct competitor to Rizzer.
A DEA website is your "proof"? Again, laughable...and flimsy.
Again, a DEA raid is likely, given that which Rizzer sells. Rizzer has a small operation.

Tell us something, 1FAST400, obviously you consider Rizzer a threat otherwise you wouldn't roam around trying to further discredit him. As I remember from another post earlier in this thread, you told us: I don't need to discredit Rizzer, he does it to himself (or something of that sort). You're still here posting on this thread, trying to discredit him...again with no proof. So I guess while we are talking about charges being repeated, to which one has no proof: Isn't it likely because you view Rizzer as a threat that you were the one who tipped off the DEA? Now that seems possible!

If trust is such a huge part of all this I think I would want to know.

I certainly don't trust a businessman who goes around internet messageboards to discredit a direct competitor.
Trust is a big issue. However, I don't appreciate direct competitors attempting to diminish trust in Rizzer by going around and repeating baseless charges.

hahahahahahaha.  I just find it funny.  After having Nootropi follow me around for a few months and post nothing but lies posted, you tend to want to defend yourself. 

I can understand your frustration with Nootropi, but he isn't Rizzer. Regardless of how you feel about Nootropi and what he's done, you need to be able to seperate these two individuals. Just because Nootropi "posted lies" about you doesn't mean that you can take 'revenge' against Rizzer by saying he lied! Maybe that's what this is all about for you, it's so simple: People look up to Nootropi (perhaps not for his attitude, but for his knowledge). Nootropi recommends Smi2le. Nootropi went around discrediting you, and now you feel that in turn you must seek revenge against him by undermining Rizzer (who just so happens to be cutting into your business)!

Then show 1 thing that shows the DEA deal happened.  You just believe it because he said so?  What does he have that the DEA would be interested in?  I have more experience with the DEA than anyone on this board.

The fact is you don't have definitive proof that the raid didn't happen, yet you continually post "Rizzer lied!"
"What does he have that the dea would be interested in?" Hahahahahahah The guy was selling ALT-711 and other chemicals!!!!

I really don't care how much experience you have with the DEA. Hmm.... you just admitted you had experience with the DEA. From there we can derive that it could be likely that you have a contact within that agency. Perhaps you called your contact and tipped him/her off against your direct competitor, Rizzer!
See how easy it is? I've repeated that charge with no proof twice in this post! Joeseph Gobbels, Nazi Propagandist, stated "if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth".

I can't wait for you to defend this one.

There is nothing for me to defend, you should be the one defending yourself by continuing to post "Rizzer lied!". Seriously, as a businessman, you should be ashamed of yourself for resorting to such unethical behavior. I'm sure my stomach is not the only one you've turned.

Yeah, I have taken it to far, I admit that.  You bust your ass to build a business like I have and have some psycho like Nootropi going around bashing it and see what you do.  Now that guy that Nootropi has held in the highest regard is lying his ass off.  Sorry, I just find it really funny.

Sorry, that doesn't fly with me. As I stated above, I can understand your frustration with Nootropi but he is not Rizzer.
It seems to me as though you're trying to excuse your irresponsible behavior towards Rizzer by citing Nootropi's behavior towards you.


Your motivations are clear, so continuing to argue with you regarding "proof" of said events will be an absolute waste of time.
You can't come to the proper conclusions because it isn't in your best interests to do so.

I hope you can move forward and voice your concerns directly with Nootropi instead of taking those same frustrations out on Rizzer.

[ozone]

Ozone this is beyond silly. I placed orders from 1fast400 and i-herb Monday about 5AM, and both arrived today.

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I don't understand what you mean. I'm not complaining about anything. I ordered on Monday and I'm not in a hurry to get any of my stuff. I'm just trying to help other people figure out what might be the cause of the delay if indeed no DEA was involved.

That said, I've been reading on the newsgroup boards that this past week people "have" been getting their stuff; so first of all that is a good sign. Additionally, I read that some, but not a lot, of people recieved their stuff a few weeks ago. Now, what I am simply trying to do is figure out what "items" have been shipping. Why is that relevant?

1. It obviously takes "longer" to fill custom orders - i.e., it will take longer for an order of "100 caps of pircetam 500mg + 250mg ALCAR + 10g Vinp" to be filled since he has to put those exact doses into each pill. And since SMILE is a well known website to the entire nootropic world, if he gets a lot of those types of orders, a lot more than he expected, it will take time to make everyone's customized pills.

2. It seemed that a lot of the "delayed" orders included an order of Phenibut, which he was clearly out of. So it's possible that he was not shipping those orders, or any other orders which contained substances he was out of stock of. Granted, that's no reason for not emailing a reply of some sort; but it's a possible explanation for why some people have gotten their orders, and others have not.

So again, I'm trying to be "constructive" with this thread and figure stuff out in a logical and peaceful manner.

Thus, if you have placed an order with SMI2LE after October 1st, then reply back with your: (1) order date; (2) what you ordered - powder/custom-pills & what items; and finally (3) whether you have recieved your items yet.

[Mike M]

It is baseless because you have no proof!

Um, how would you expect me to prove he WASN'T raided? There is no proof he WAS raided, hence the proof he WASN'T. Simple concept.

A DEA website is your "proof"? Again, laughable...and flimsy.
Again, a DEA raid is likely, given that which Rizzer sells. Rizzer has a small operation.

Don't you think I would have been raided way before rizzer. I've been doing it for over 2 years to his few months. Also, where is the proof he was raided. Oh wait, he said he was, that's right.

Tell us something, 1FAST400, obviously you consider Rizzer a threat otherwise you wouldn't roam around trying to further discredit him. As I remember from another post earlier in this thread, you told us: I don't need to discredit Rizzer, he does it to himself (or something of that sort). You're still here posting on this thread, trying to discredit him...again with no proof. So I guess while we are talking about charges being repeated, to which one has no proof: Isn't it likely because you view Rizzer as a threat that you were the one who tipped off the DEA? Now that seems possible!

What was he doing that the DEA would consider illegal? What would I "tip" them off to? If a complaint is filed against a company, it is often on record. When Avant was caught with their transdermal stuff, I believe it was traced back to the person that "turned" them in. Oddly, they actually had PROOF the government came to them.

I certainly don't trust a businessman who goes around internet messageboards to discredit a direct competitor.
Trust is a big issue. However, I don't appreciate direct competitors attempting to diminish trust in Rizzer by going around and repeating baseless charges.

I understand that you would much rather support someone who doesn't answer emails or phone calls. Lies in his advertising of products. Lies about his DEA deal. I totally see why you would trust him.

I can understand your frustration with Nootropi, but he isn't Rizzer. Regardless of how you feel about Nootropi and what he's done, you need to be able to seperate these two individuals. Just because Nootropi "posted lies" about you doesn't mean that you can take 'revenge' against Rizzer by saying he lied!

Prove he didn't. Show proof of this DEA deal. I'll give you 200 bucks worth of free nootropics if you can

The fact is you don't have definitive proof that the raid didn't happen, yet you continually post "Rizzer lied!"

As I've already stated, how am I to show something didn't happen? Show you proof of no documentation? I would think the burdon falls on HIM not me, to prove that something actually happened.

I really don't care how much experience you have with the DEA. Hmm.... you just admitted you had experience with the DEA. From there we can derive that it could be likely that you have a contact within that agency. Perhaps you called your contact and tipped him/her off against your direct competitor, Rizzer!
See how easy it is? I've repeated that charge with no proof twice in this post! Joeseph Gobbels, Nazi Propagandist, stated "if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth".

I tried to get a license for selling eph hcl. Sadly, it was more hassle than it was worth. Business's are now limited to buying 288 bottles per month per account. This means there will be a huge shortage of eph hcl on the internet for customers. To be able to get a license I had to be willing to turn over ALL information about every customer in regard to how much they bought, where it was shipped and all other details. It wasn't worth it. On top of that I had to have a secure lock box for it. Just all types of crazy crap. This went on at the start of the year when herbal ephedrine was banned.

Sorry, that doesn't fly with me. As I stated above, I can understand your frustration with Nootropi but he is not Rizzer.

Agreed, but you sure do seem to have a big interest in protecting Nootropi and Rizzer...hmmmm.

You can't come to the proper conclusions because it isn't in your best interests to do so.

I came to the conclusion because there is ZERO evidence to contradict me. If I tipped the DEA off to him as your purpose, then there would be a record of such events. Since it could easily be found out if I did "tip" them off, why would I be running around saying it didn't happen? All he would have to do is show a little proof.

I hope you can move forward and voice your concerns directly with Nootropi instead of taking those same frustrations out on Rizzer.

You can't argue these type of things with Nootropi, for some reason he can't wrap his head around it. He spent a month screaming about labelclaimstesting.com when he understood nothing about it.

[ozone]

Prove he didn't.  Show proof of this DEA deal.  I'll give you 200 bucks worth of free nootropics if you can

Man, at $19 for 700 grams, that would be 7,000g of Pircetam... My IQ would be like 5 gajillionzillon if I took all that in 1 day.

[hyoomen]

You might just find the mysterious LD50 of Piracetam at that point.

Nevertheless, the gauntlet has been thrown. As a clarification, are we looking for proof one way or the other? Or are we looking specifically for credible proof that he was raided?

[Mike M]

Credible real proof he was raided or not. Just willing to show people I'll put my money where my mouth is.

I will gladly make a public apology and retraction of statements if it is proven he was raided.

[ozone]

You might just find the mysterious LD50 of Piracetam at that point.

Nevertheless, the gauntlet has been thrown.  As a clarification, are we looking for proof one way or the other?  Or are we looking specifically for credible proof that he was raided?

[:o] Is it the special purple Piracetam that is only available in the underground caves by Morlocks?

[kraemahz]

Sorry, but since when does the DEA post every single one of their activities on their website? Especially, as Rizzer claims, if they found nothing. They have no reason to provide information on failed busts. The evidence you're asking for could easily not be public domain or would at least require more than searching their site. There also wouldn't necessarily be any record of a competetor turning him in, because the DEA provides a webform for reporting "Suspicious Internet Pharmacies" on their front page. The personal details of the person submiting most certainy wouldn't be released to the public.

I want to make it clear I have no bias towards either company, I recently ordered some aniracetam and alpha GPC from 1fast400 over smi2le for an unrelated reason: for the couple days I was looking Rizzer had let his security authenticity certificate expire (it expired November 26th, looks like he renewed it November 28th).

[geigertube]

Thus, if you have placed an order with SMI2LE after October 1st, then reply back with your: (1) order date; (2) what you ordered - powder/custom-pills & what items; and finally (3) whether you have recieved your items yet.

I ordered, on 11/30

Aniracetram 30g powder
Idebenone 10 g powder (unfortunately, I just now read the thread about how its best to avoid this. [ang] )
ALA 100g powder
Picamilion 15g powder
ALC 300G powder
Choline BItartrate 250 g powder


I tried to order things that the website said were available for immediate shipment. Hence getting some things that arent the ideal form of those particular chemicals , before anyone pipes up about how I should get Alpha GPC and whatnot.

Not received yet. Not worried at this point. I'll wait 2 weeks and call.

Steven

[stellar]

Sorry, but since when does the DEA post every single one of their activities on their website? Especially, as Rizzer claims, if they found nothing. They have no reason to provide information on failed busts. The evidence you're asking for could easily not be public domain or would at least require more than searching their site. There also wouldn't necessarily be any record of a competetor turning him in, because the DEA provides a webform for reporting "Suspicious Internet Pharmacies" on their front page. The personal details of the person submiting most certainy wouldn't be released to the public..

Yes, I don't know how hard it is for 1FAST400 to understand that. Think about it though, it is not in his best interests to come to the correct conclusion!!!
He is a direct competitor of Rizzer's, repeating baseless charges and using Nootropi's past behavior as justification.

Like I said earlier, based on his behavior in this thread, I would never, ever order anything from 1FAST400. He is obviously an unethical businessman.

[stellar]

Um, how would you expect me to prove he WASN'T raided?  There is no proof he WAS raided, hence the proof he WASN'T.  Simple concept.

The rest of your post is worthless and not worth my time so I'll make a point here:

You admitted your dealings with the DEA in the past. Perhaps you have a contact.

I think you were the one who tipped them off to Rizzer. You had the most to gain by his downfall.
There's no proof you DIDN'T tip them off, hence the proof you DID. Simple concept......

As with all tips to agencies such as the DEA, they can be anonymous.

[scottl]

Stellar,

1. Dopamine (and I think other people on the Avant thread) brought up the issue of the DEA bust not being real.

2. Track record:

1fast400: impeccable customer service

Rizzer: less optimal. Has told people he would call them back and does not. Has told people he would ship their stuff and does not.


"I think you were the one who tipped them off to Rizzer." Sooo you accuse 1fast400 of making false allegations and you make your own based on......exactly what?

"There's no proof you DIDN'T tip them off, hence the proof you DID. Simple concept"

If you really believe this..if you really cannot see how this is off....

You are free to buy from anyone you wish, but tell me again what the unethical behavior of 1fast400 is?

[Mike M]

You are to funny. Bodybuilding.com has dealt with the DEA, Netrition has dealt with the DEA, DPS has dealt with the DEA, the fact that I have dealt with them means I tipped them off is funny. I thought all rizzer was selling was basic nootropics. If he was selling other stuff that is his business. The only issue I ever had was some of the statements on his site which are false. Especially in regard to pricing and his testing. He has never tested a single item, nootropi did.

If it wasn't for rizzer, I'm sure I wouldn't have expanded out into the nootropic products the way I did. Our original plan was to go more mainstream with powders. People like rizzer are good. They will never be large enough to really compete with us, but can test market new materials faster than we can. As I've stated before, we don't order direct from china. That is why it takes us 2x longer to add a new product. When you are small like that you can order a few kilo's via EMS and just throw it on the site. Our vendors test the products before we get them. We have a slew of new items on the way, but it just takes time. I welcome people like smile, in the long run it only helps us.

[lemon]

I wish to recognize the last post by 1fast400 stating the value that Rizzer's business to the industry.

I am a product development engineer and know that when a product is resourced from one vender to another sometimes the resulting volume can drown them. You can do initial sourcing studies to see if they can meet your quality and performance but if you open the floodgates wide open they can very easily drown and cause you (the customer) much heartache as well.

Rizzer may be small time but he's pushing the envelope of nootropic availability (which only a couple years ago was almost entirely dominated by european pharmaceutical companies). Companies like Beyond a Century, as one member mentioned, are mainstream and are not pioneers when it comes to getting new nootropics available in bulk form. Rizzer's business is much smaller and adds value because he effectively tests the market for everyone else so the mainstreamers can hop on the bandwagon later.

Also, I'd like to add that I've received everything I've ordered (often with extra product when it was very late). Of course, I live in the States though so I'm not sure how international orders are subjected to various customs laws.

If you're not domestic, or even if you are, I'd recommend that you not buy $1000 worth of product from him before you have received consistent service. I would take advantage of the free shipping for anything $50 and over and see how it goes...

[dopamine]

The fact right now is that no newspaper in the country (large or small) reported any kind or form of drug bust conducted by the DEA anywhere near Rizzer's area. Since there is no evidence of it's occurence anywhere on the public record, the only source we have for it happening is Rizzer's word. This doesn't mean it didn't happen, but doesn't mean that it did either.

If someone really wanted to probe deep into the issue, they could file for a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, and try to ascertain information about DEA operations in Oceanview, NJ. Or one could simply contact the DEA field office in New Jersey and tell them you are doing a study on drug crimes and request general information about operations which have already taken place.

On another note, I think all this talk accusing 1FAST400 of being an "unethical businessman" is absolutely ridiculous and unwarranted. What 1FAST offers is what Rizzer just simply can't: dependability.

[hyoomen]

FWIW, I should have confirmation (either way) sometime tomorrow.

*Taps fingers impatiently and ponders the validity of the $200 worth of nootropics offer*

[Mike M]

I stand behind what I say. You'll get a 200 buck gift voucher

[stellar]

"I think you were the one who tipped them off to Rizzer."  Sooo you accuse 1fast400 of making false allegations and you make your own based on......exactly what?

"There's no proof you DIDN'T tip them off, hence the proof you DID. Simple concept"

If you really believe this..if you really cannot see how this is off....

You are free to buy from anyone you wish, but tell me again what the unethical behavior of 1fast400 is?

Scott, I had no doubt when I wrote those posts that somehow you would involve yourself in the discussion. It was only a matter of time.
Instead of wasting my time trying to explain everything, you can go back and read the beginning of the dialogue between myself and 1FAST400 in this thread. Hope it makes sense for you, if not....that's not my problem.

I also want to say regarding Dopamine being the originator of it, that doesn't matter to me. What dopamine says is not my concern. He does not sell nootropics.
When a direct competitor purposefully advances a lie about Rizzer, justifying it by blaming Nootropi's past behavior towards him....that is what I have a problem with.

Edited by stellar, 10 December 2004 - 04:26 AM.

[stellar]

The fact right now is that no newspaper in the country (large or small) reported any kind or form of drug bust conducted by the DEA anywhere near Rizzer's area. Since there is no evidence of it's occurence anywhere on the public record, the only source we have for it happening is Rizzer's word. This doesn't mean it didn't happen, but doesn't mean that it did either.

Newspapers don't matter, The DEA website doesn't either. Who knows if they even kept a record of it? Filing a FOIA request may not turn up a single thing. Either way, you and I can agree on one thing: that we do not know whether it did or did not happen.
My issue is with a direct competitor continually accusing Rizzer of something he does not know to be true.
That is why I why I made the claim that 1FAST400 tipped off the DEA, and kept repeating it. I was making a simple illustration, this is exactly the same type of behavior that 1FAST400 is exhibiting [a taste of his own medicine]. (Get it, ScottL?)

On another note, I think all this talk accusing 1FAST400 of being an "unethical businessman" is absolutely ridiculous and unwarranted. What 1FAST offers is what Rizzer just simply can't: dependability.

Dependability is not the issue in my evaluation of his ethics at this point, because I have never ordered anything from him and never will.
The reason why I called 1FAST400 an unethical businessman is because he was purposefully advancing a lie about Rizzer without any proof.
1FAST400 has an issue with Nootropi, and NOT Rizzer. Yet he uses Nootropi's past behavior as an excuse to villify Rizzer (once again, without any proof).


Do you not think that is unethical?


Frankly, I don't care if Rizzer goes down. I hope that he doesn't because competition is good for the consumer, but I can get most of the stuff through other outlets (unfortunately, at higher prices).

[ozone]

I stand behind what I say.  You'll get a 200 buck gift voucher

So... what if Rizzer proved himself that the DEA busted him? Would you send him the $200 voucher? [huh]