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[nootropi]

From Kitty Antonik Wakfer:

Dissatisfaction with BAC does not surprise me - it appears that Erik
Cochrane has not changed his practices in the two years since I notified him
of considerable density labeling errors in several powder products. Having
my old sci.life-extension thread "relifed" along with the new crop of
complaints may now reach even more current and potential BAC customers.
Complete information exchange about companies *and* people is essential for
informed decisions towards the goal of maximizing one's lifetime happiness.

Thanks for bringing these to my attention.

**Kitty Antonik Wakfer

MoreLife for the rational - http://morelife.org
Reality based tools for more life in quantity and quality
Self-Sovereign Individual Project - http://selfsip.org
Rational freedom by self-sovereignty & social contracting

[MoodyBlue]

For what its worth, I called Rizzer last Monday, Jan. 3, to ask about what he had in stock and a backorder which I had not received yet, and he took my order over the phone. He also mentioned to me that he had lately been having trouble getting his money from merchants such as Visa, Mastercard, etc. He asked if I had a Paypal account, implying he preferred people ordering from him that way. I suppose he's having no problem getting his money from Paypal. I waited one week and since there was no activity on my bank account from Smi2le, I called Rizzer again. I asked him if the reason he was having difficulty getting his money was because the D.E.A. confiscated his copy of his merchant's license when they raided Smi2le on Oct. 4th. He said it had nothing to do with that, but that they could hold his money for up to six months. I'm assuming that means for six months after a transaction has gone through. Then I ordered online by way of the Paypal method, without signing up with Paypal. It appears it can be done this way each time you order with Smi2le. I prefer not signing on to Paypal's TOS after having read about the Paypal horror stories. I hope that by ordering that way its helping Mike maintain enough capital for him to be able to keep everything in stock, and eventually have enough to purchase a large supply of Sulbutiamine.

[shapeshifter]

On oktober 4th 2004 I ordered a total of $399.97 of supplements.
Everything except the 60 grams of algeabrium chloride (also known as ALT-711), worth $200, was delivered. Mike Rizzer promised it would be delivered 1-2 weeks later.
But until now I have received nothing. He totally ignored me. He did not respond to my E-mails. I already tried to reach him by phone, which isn't cheap in my situation, since I live in West Europe, but always get the answering machine. I already left a message. But still nothing. So I don't even have a clue what is going on.
In 6 months time I ordered more than $1000 of supplements from Smi2le.biz. I never had any problems, except from some empty gel caps that were needed to be shipped later. And now, out of the blue, this treatment.... completely ignored. Can you imagine how a good customer like me feels like?
Unfortunately I paid using Paypal, because that is how Smi2le preferred it. I probably can't get my money back via Paypal.
I will try a few times more calling him on the phone. I hope if I can speak to Mike, things would be solved. But there is also a good chance that when he sees it is a long distance call, he deliberately leave the phone ringing.

[vortexentity]

shapeshifter, is this ALT-711 a legal substance in the EU? is it an approved drug there without a script?

I am asking this because you might have had it confiscated. If it was not legal to ship he might not have a resource to getting it back from customs in the EU. If it is not legal to have without a perscription or if it is not approved at all for human use then even asking what happened to the package could get you and him called in for criminal charges or questioning at the very least.

[nootropi]

On oktober 4th 2004 I ordered a total of $399.97 of supplements.
Everything except the 60 grams of algeabrium chloride (also known as ALT-711), worth $200, was delivered. Mike Rizzer promised it would be delivered 1-2 weeks later.
But until now I have received nothing. He totally ignored me. He did not respond to my E-mails. I already tried to reach him by phone, which isn't cheap in my situation, since I live in West Europe, but always get the answering machine. I already left a message. But still nothing. So I don't even have a clue what is going on.
In 6 months time I ordered more than $1000 of supplements from Smi2le.biz. I never had any problems, except from some empty gel caps that were needed to be shipped later. And now, out of the blue, this treatment.... completely ignored. Can you imagine how a good customer like me feels like?
Unfortunately I paid using Paypal, because that is how Smi2le preferred it. I probably can't get my money back via Paypal.
I will try a few times more calling him on the phone. I hope if I can speak to Mike, things would be solved. But there is also a good chance that when he sees it is a long distance call, he deliberately leave the phone ringing.

Why don't you just chill for now, and wait until you can get him on the phone? I myself am waiting for ALT-711 to be delivered; and I am not crying about it. In fact, I just called, and a young lady answered the phone. It is 11:45 AM where I live. Mike is not there right now, so I will call later.

[gulasch]

Hi,
havent posted here for along time because I had to study a lot but I have checked from time to time what is going on here. In this post I want to give my two cents to this thread and all what is going on in this forum.

1.
I totaly agree with nootropi, since smile does great buisness, offering us great prices and third party testing. Becouse of rizzer the nootropic-market became that availible and attractive to that much people.
The prices went down.
More nootropics came on the market.
The people can test the products they buy and be aware of what they really take in.

2.
even if it seems that nootropi tries to convince people to buy from smile,it is OK!!
Mike really cares for the health of his custumers, even if his service is lacking a bit. Once more: his quite new to this buisness and had some serious issues.
I did repeat it several times before as well: call him!!!! It never tookmore than three phonecalls to reach mike.
In my opinion bac and 1fast does not crare even a bit for our health. They are longer in buisness what means that they have more financal backings but do not even allow to test athird party to test their products.
Why?
the answer is simple. they could be aware of the quality lacks of their products or even snatch their producks, who knows. We will never know I think. They are just lookng forward to make profit.
What 1fast showed in this forum is that he is "false" because he wants to take rizzer out of buisness.
Rizer has never lost a bad word about 1fast.
When I received 1fast products I usually got exactly the amount i ordered, or even a bit less (some mg - nothing that bad)!!!
But when i ordered at smile I usually received a bit more what I ordered. Sometimes a lot more.
And the essays...
That does not mean that 1fast or bac do not do a good buisness but they do not prove that in any way (Refering to the isssue of the purity of his products).
refering to bac: I have no personal experiences with this company because they do not ship outside the US. Nevertheless I wouldn't order from them.


3.
I am also tired of the arguments with notzropi (I want to learn sth. about nootropics!). But when the people do not like to accept the facts about what is going on in this buisness. They sould ignore that and take care of their health that way they mean to do it. Even if they buy porducts which are possibly not pure\safe, it would be much healthier for them not to anoy themselves and argue that much. I think we are in a life extension forum .
Thus notropi is right to indicate on the issues of purity of the stuff we take in every day, several times.

4.
I think it is OK that if new users ask for help, notropi alludes to the importance of the purity of the products we consume and that mikes produkts are the only ones we are aware of that they are really healthy for us.
(Of course we do not know about all the products he sells but since he offers to do quality tests for all of his products for free and nootroppi plans on investigating more tome to do more testing, we can suppose that they are OK ass well)

5. but
nottropi: You shouldn't try to convince the people who are in this forum for a longer time again and again.
Repeating yourself several times a day is a waste of time and really contraproductive. I mean you could use your time for moe important stuff right?
You could also compose a general text, which you can post whenever it comes to an argument on this topic(wheather to get your stuff from bac smile or 1fast), instead of repeating yourself - even if some people will never understand.


6.
I think, people who are intelligent enough can come to the conclusion on their own what is really important. [thumb]

7.
It is a notropic forum, thus lets concentrate more on this topic. [thumb]

8
Notropi cares for his help and even for the health of all the members here, even for those who are against his point of view. He always tries to answear every question which is asked here. How mentioned. he even answears questions to those who have lost some bad comments on him.
He is the guy who has the most knowledge about nootropics I know and I think we all should appreciate that.
In my opinion this is not a reason to be mad at him.

9.
ten thumbs up for nootropi amd mike [thumb]



refering to what I what I wanted to point out in this post I want to quote the mission objectives of
smi2le.biz

The Purpose of life is to smile.



In 2004 Out-Caste agents started circulating the rumor that Intelligence was the most important factor in human life. edit:(intelligence = health)

They said: "What else do you value? Love? Virtue? Money? Power? Freedom? Truth? All of these can be enhanced by increasing intelligence. A failure to increase intelligence can only diminish our ability to obtain and enjoy those goods."

Out-Caste Agents distributed bumper stickers saying: INTELLIGENCE IS THE ULTIMATE APHRODISIAC.


SMI2LE MISSION STATEMENT: To accelerate evolution (improve life) by increasing intelligence and individual freedom.   We do this by offering the best tools we can find for improving the individual human brain and making it happier, more creative and more intelligent. We offer this to as many people as possible by giving people rock-bottom prices on these tools.  SMI2LE.biz believes that if the tools are spread money will come our way; if we get greedy someone else will take our place.  The bigger we grow the market; the better prices we can offer; edit:(another very good argument to support mike as nootropi does [thumb] )



SMI2LE.biz is dedicated to offering value in the smart drug,nutrient,vitamin,nootropic marketplace.  Rather then hype basically worthless products; like say the much more popular sites like brainquicken and focusfactor do and sell to as many of the masses as we can; we are more interested in the savvy customer. We aim to attract the savvy customer who knows what he's buying and knows all the other suppliers prices. Someone who wants the best value and does some of the research themselves.  Someone who can use the internet and search engines.  Someone who knows the difference between something that has money behind it and something that has value behind it.    Someone who would rather be more intelligent then more cool. Someone who IS more cool.  That's the demographic we're aiming for. And for the few lame who somehow find us; we will make them savvy with all our information, suggestions and of course the smart drugs should help.

It's our belief we can make more money selling the truth and offering the best value; then just promoting products in order to maximize profits.

The truth is that smart drugs/nootropics can work and can work in amazing ways if combined in the right amounts; with the right diet/exercise etc. Intelligence CAN be increased; and if someone is against you increasing your intelligence; then who/what are they for?

We are in business to help you with the most important thing in the universe. If you could double your intelligence through something we sell; how much would you pay for it? $5000 a day? $10,000? too much? If you had enough money to afford it; and you didn't buy it; you'd be stupid.

Did I mention we're looking for investors?

But what about all the products that are out there already competing for your "smart drug dollar". Well; they all pretty much suck.

There are some ok products by themselves that are available; but there are no combination products that are any good. The ones by themselves usually cost a good bit of money; and then to get the full "upgrade" you have to purchase 3-4 other products which also cost a good bit of money; attempts to combine them together usually result in a sub-par product do to the manufacturer skimping on the quality(expensive) ingredients.  Or maybe they just don't know what to put in them.  Our main goal with this business is to have several custom formulas of nootropics/nutrients that work really well and cost the same as the bulk powder forms if you searched the net for low prices on them.  If you are particular; and don't want one of our formulas it will be very easy to make your own custom combination formula and have it put in capsules.  Although we want to make money; we're looking to bring the costs of smart drugs down; so that a great custom formula can be had/tried for pennies a day..we believe that this market should be at least 1000x it's current size; and we're just the company to make it happen. Our mission is to accelerate evolution by increasing intelligence and individual freedom. We also plan to make a living doing it.

Another quote from mikes site:

Smi2le.biz offers the lowest prices on the net on all the products we carry; if you can find a lower price on any of the products we carry; We will beat the price of the company who you list and then give you a good amount extra for free; just email Us with a URL of the company who offers it and you will get at least as good of a price as them and extra from us for free!  All products have COA (certificate of analysis) available on them and we have submitted most of our products to Integrated Bio Molecule for independent testing purposes. Any customer who wants to test one of our products via an independent lab service we will be glad to give you store credit for any costs associated with you having the tests done.

once more

Evolution can be accelerated. Individual Freedom is the key to evolution. Evolution can not be stopped no matter how hard they try. Think for yourself, question authority, order now from smi2le.biz and accelerate your evolution.  

Does have for example 1fast such mission objectives, or has he mentioned sth. like that?
I think not. His mission objectve is profit.
If he really would care about our intelligence (=health), he would offer free third party testing.
All the arguments which he made on this forum indicate that he just cares about his profit and with rizzer he has met an big obstacle. I think thats not right and fair but if people are intelligent enought they wil become aware of that.
My opinion - think about it.

Allright it is true that he has fast service, but if we let rizzer more time and support his service will become better as well. Amd how mentioned in his mission objectives: the prices will become even more attractive as they already are.


my 50cent(s) lol [wis]


live healty. this way (buying stuff you know that it is safe) or the way you mean to be the best for yourself

don't argue that much - pleaaaase -cocentrate on nootropics

do not be mad on nootropi - he pushed this forum more than any other

maybe I am repeating what has been mentioned before, but I had not enough time to read through all what has been written the last weeks

do your best

Paul

Edited by gulasch, 15 January 2005 - 12:53 AM.

[gulasch]

since I mentioned that i am from germany, it is possible that I haven't articulated me not understandable enough in some cases. i surely made some gramatical and spelling mitakes as wel.
Thus if you havent understood anything, ask me.

If anyone has the time to correct my english I would appreciate that. Just PM me

thanks

Paul

[lemon]

Nobody brings more to the table in this forum than nootropi... he presents the research... third party testing results... sources for supplements, etc. He is more valuable to this board than anyone else. Those people who oppose him have something to hide (most notably 1fast400 ) in regard to purity.

[shapeshifter]

Vortexentity:

shapeshifter, is this ALT-711 a legal substance in the EU? is it an approved drug there without a script?

This substance is not listed as a drug. It is for breaking cross linked proteins. I combine it with carnosine and benfotiamine. It is a safe life extension supplement. Life Mirage has used it for years. Just check his postings. Of course Life Mirage is not my only source of information regarding it. Also check the studies conducted on this substance.

Nootropi:

Why don't you just chill for now, and wait until you can get him on the phone? I myself am waiting for ALT-711 to be delivered; and I am not crying about it. In fact, I just called, and a young lady answered the phone. It is 11:45 AM where I live. Mike is not there right now, so I will call later.

But since when did you have to wait for the Algeabrium chloride? If you have to wait from oktober 2004 without any message about what is going on, would you still be quiet?

Edited by shapeshifter, 15 January 2005 - 09:53 AM.

[Mike M]

Those people who oppose him have something to hide (most notably 1fast400 ) in regard to purity.

Yet when I offered nootropi the chance to choose any product of mine to test for purity, he hid. He knows my products are pure. That is why he has ordered from me. I told nootropi that when my powders tested out pure (which they already have PREVIOUS to me selling them) then he would have to stop bad mouthing me on the internet. Notice he didn't take me up on it.

Sorry lemon, you're wrong.

[nootropi]

Yet when I offered nootropi the chance to choose any product of mine to test for purity, he hid.  He knows my products are pure.  That is why he has ordered from me.  I told nootropi that when my powders tested out pure (which they already have PREVIOUS to me selling them) then he would have to stop bad mouthing me on the internet.  Notice he didn't take me up on it.

Sorry lemon, you're wrong.

No, you are wrong again, 1fast; get a grip, this is the same story as before.

I never hid, never will. Show me the posts where you claim that I "hid."

You offered to test ONE of your products. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no way of knowing that the product you test is in fact the same lot that I purchased. You need to offer to test ALL of your powders, then I will come to the table.

I do not know that your products are pure. I know that your products come here directly from China and you claim to buy them from an undisclosed supplier, which automatically makes him uncredible; as we already know that your supplier has "supplied" you with a false product and a false assay report to match. How stylish!

Nobody is bad mouthing you, 1fast; I already stated very clearly that I stand behind your business when it comes to items that DO NOT COME from China; or, in other words, products from reputable US suppiers (such as Chocamine).

I threw away all the low grade, questionable Chinese powder imports that I bought from you after I did a bit of research on you and your style of business. What is the point of life-extension if there is a 1/10 chance that the supplement one ingests is in fact hazardous? You would not even know, because you don't even take these products. I do, so I care enough to worry that it is probably not pure; as you are seeking profits from this business; I seek life enhancement and extension.

Interested in the history of this discussion? Click here.

[hondoleroy]

TO: 1 Fast400

You still looking at adding PS to your bulk powder selections? If so, do you know what strength it will be? Also, how about increased bulk amounts for Rhodiola Rosea? Just finished reading "The Rhodiola Revolution" and "The Arctic Root"... and am even more hyped about Rhodiola Rosea than before.

Hondo

[zg00]

I have absolutely no way of knowing that the product you test is in fact the same lot that I purchased.  You need to offer to test ALL of your powders, then I will come to the table.

Noop, your logic is all over the place. Here, your right. You have no way of knowing any of the powder you've tested is actually part of the same batch as the powder you yourself will be taking. Maybe 2 of the tests you already did were for products Rizzer is soon going to have to reorder? Will he tell you when each new batch comes in? Will you test EVERY new batch yourself? You might trust his quality control more then others, but these single tests realistically prove very little. Rizzer admits he imports from countries that are renowned for poor quality controls (I dated an Indian girl once, she wouldn't eat rice imported from India because she said it was 'filty').

The only realistic solution is requiring they be tested before being resold and thats exactly what 1fast is doing.

This whole independany-thirdparty thing is totally Batman and Robin. Its vigilante style health concern done in an inexact way. You have no control and no way to verify that Rizzer is being honest with you. If you really wanted to make a difference you'd have to do something like what consumer-labs is doing or create some type of trade group. Without lawyers, contracts and real money on the table your word is only as good as the word of others, your not in control and in a situation that can too easily be manipulated.

[nootropi]

I have absolutely no way of knowing that the product you test is in fact the same lot that I purchased.  You need to offer to test ALL of your powders, then I will come to the table.

Noop, your logic is all over the place. Here, your right. You have no way of knowing any of the powder you've tested is actually part of the same batch as the powder you yourself will be taking. Maybe 2 of the tests you already did were for products Rizzer is soon going to have to reorder? Will he tell you when each new batch comes in? Will you test EVERY new batch yourself? You might trust his quality control more then others, but these single tests realistically prove very little. Rizzer admits he imports from countries that are renowned for poor quality controls (I dated an Indian girl once, she wouldn't eat rice imported from India because she said it was 'filty').

The only realistic solution is requiring they be tested before being resold and thats exactly what 1fast is doing.

This whole independany-thirdparty thing is totally Batman and Robin. Its vigilante style health concern done in an inexact way. You have no control and no way to verify that Rizzer is being honest with you. If you really wanted to make a difference you'd have to do something like what consumer-labs is doing or create some type of trade group. Without lawyers, contracts and real money on the table your word is only as good as the word of others, your not in control and in a situation that can too easily be manipulated.

I disagree with you and your reasoning.

[zg00]

Of course you do.

[pinballwizard]

Of course you do.

Until ZG gets his little group together, I am happy with the way nootropi has tested the batches at SMI2LE. Enough said, lets move on...

[zg00]

This sort of thing can give one a false sense of security. Nootropi has (so far) tested a handful of samples from what we presume is Rizzers current stock. And when he reorders his stock? Do we even have reason to trust Rizzer provided him with samples of all his current stock? Its a nice idea, but it leaves a lot to be taken on faith and goodwill; and honestly, I don't see that much selfless goodwill in business (even Nootropi admited he's doing this for personal gain).

As far as I care, Nootropi might be the son of God him(her)self. But we are not buying the products from him are we? 1Fast buys from suppliers that are required by law to screen for contaminates. Neither might be perfect, but I don't see how this is and open an shut case.

[Mike M]

I know that your products come here directly from China and you claim to buy them from an undisclosed supplier

I do that to keep you from calling and bugging the crap out of the like you seem to with any other contact info you get. It is obvious you are "unstable" to say the least. Sorry if I don't want to piss of my suppliers so some guy that works as a toy solider in front of FAO schwartz can bug the crap out of them.

In regard to PS, we are looking into it, just real expensive right now. If we come out with it, we prefer to have a much cheaper price on it. Once this hormone crazy is over, we'll have more people working on these other bulk powders.

I'll see that a larger size rhodiola gets done this week.

[pSimonKey]

Nootropi, is there an way you could offer a testing service for all of our suppliments?

[hondoleroy]

Best quote I've seen here so far:

QUOTE: Will you test EVERY new batch yourself? You might trust his quality control more then others, but these single tests realistically prove very little. Rizzer admits he imports from countries that are renowned for poor quality controls (I dated an Indian girl once, she wouldn't eat rice imported from India because she said it was 'filthy'). END QUOTE


TO: 1Fast400

Thankas for info on PS and Rhodiola. Someone had told me that you were already offering PS in bulk powder and I hadn't seen it yet so was puzzled.

For those buying PS in capsule form, I have found that BJs Wholesale stores carries in under their house brand name at really excellent prices (something like $26 for 120 caps, 100mg PS).

[nootropi]

Best quote I've seen here so far:

QUOTE: Will you test EVERY new batch yourself? You might trust his quality control more then others, but these single tests realistically prove very little. Rizzer admits he imports from countries that are renowned for poor quality controls (I dated an Indian girl once, she wouldn't eat rice imported from India because she said it was 'filthy').

I am happy that you have selected that quote as your favorite.

I'll answer that quote: in my own forum; under the topic: supplement quality control/testing. Click here for the link to my forum.

[nootropi]

my 50cent(s) 

Sometimes it's a good skill to tell people what they want to hear; however, to have the maximum effect what you say has to be mostly true to the person to the perciever(s); so that way the general public is satisfied as well as the teller of the anecdote...so thanks for sharing...

[nootropi]

Nootropi, is there an way you could offer a testing service for all of our suppliments?

Yes, this is one of my current goals...to provide third party test results to try to minimize the risk that what we ingest contains deadly toxins.

As I myself take these supplements, it is in my best interest(s) to ensure nobody (including myself) gets hurt. I try to keep everybody happy.... )

...edit: even those whom think we are simple minded, it is good to treat them well too...

Edited by nootropi, 19 January 2005 - 10:51 PM.

[ozone]

Regarding the continual bashing between 1fast400 and nootropi.

I have the ultimate solution. 1fast400, you claim your products are pure. Nootropi you don't believe this without verification. Well the answer is easy then. 1Fast400, if we get one of your products we purchase tested, and it comes up as being say under 95% pure (or some agreed upon number), then will you refund both our purchase price and the lab analysis price and post the study on your website if you continue to use that batch?

[nootropi]

Regarding the continual bashing between 1fast400 and nootropi.

I have the ultimate solution. 1fast400, you claim your products are pure. Nootropi you don't believe this without verification. Well the answer is easy then. 1Fast400, if we get one of your products we purchase tested, and it comes up as being say under 95% pure (or some agreed upon number), then will you refund both our purchase price and the lab analysis price and post the study on your website if you continue to use that batch?

No, ultimatums won't work. I just wish that 1fast400 and smi2le.biz could source stuff together; and let the consumers choose the better source based on the seller's offers.

The owner of smi2le.biz offered to work with the owner of 1fast400; and according to the owner of smi2le.biz, the owner of 1fast400 DID NOT EVEN REPLY to smi2le's emails.

If they could source items together, it would then only be necessary to test once for both businesses; and each I am sure 1fast400 and smi2le.biz could save money that way too. The way it looks to me, the owner of 1fast400 may in fact be more interested in his ego as it relates to this market than the market itself. I could be wrong; but based on his behavior and actions (and how they relate) this appears to be the case.

Edited by nootropi, 20 January 2005 - 07:02 PM.

[magr]

It would be wise to not do business with a person in a situation like Rizzer.

[scottl]

Magr,

Agreed.

Notropi,

"the owner of 1fast400 DID NOT EVEN REPLY to smi2le's emails."

Lets see...who has a track record of not replying to e-mails (from the non-annointed)?

Now can we please let this thread die. Yikes.

[ozone]

Magr,

Agreed.

Notropi,

"the owner of 1fast400 DID NOT EVEN REPLY to smi2le's emails."

Lets see...who has a track record of not replying to e-mails (from the non-annointed)?

Now can we please let this thread die.  Yikes.

LOL I was going to say the exact same thing hehe.

[nootropi]

Magr,

Agreed.

Notropi,

"the owner of 1fast400 DID NOT EVEN REPLY to smi2le's emails."

Lets see...who has a track record of not replying to e-mails (from the non-annointed)?

Now can we please let this thread die.  Yikes.

Yikes! Let's talk about this "Dr. Scottl." That is one scary doctor (that does not know why it is important to only consider the results of DOUBLE BLIND PLACEBO CONTROLLED STUDIES OR THAT CASE REPORTS ARE NOT RESEARCH -- Dr. Full of BS Scottl)

Reader: recall this thread where we see this so called "doctor" displaying characteristics of a doctor without knowledge of the first and most important principle in medicine; you can witness AORsupport SCHOOLIN' scottl on THE BASICS!

Here is a brief excerpt:

Yes, that would be it (it was a presentation at the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, not a scientific conference) -- but the summary given above is misleading. To say that the study "showed that three months of Leci-PS supplementation has effects on memory and cognition that are comparable to those of bovine-derived PS" might lead one to believe that the trial involved a soy PS arm and a bovine PS arm, which it did not. The study was an open, uncontrolled, unblinded study. They simply compared the results (which showed an increase in the "ability to remember names immediately after introduction ... remember those names one hour after introduction ... and ... learn and remember written information" relative to baseline. These unblinded results were then compared to improvements relative to baseline in placebo and bovine groups in a previous placebo-controlled trial of bovine PS vs placebo.

This kind of historical comparison is not scientifically valid, precisely because it can't control for the placebo effect within the cohort or for simple learning effects. When everyone -- investigators and patients alike -- knows they're getting the real thing, any placebo effect is magnified, especially when the investigators already are convinced that it will be effective. If this kind of design were of any value, we would stop running controlled trials at all.

Smi2le would be smart not to return YOUR EMAILS...

You don't have to pretend to be a doctor here. We don't believe you anyways. )

[scottl]

Whew, after your nice behavior (saying anything positive about fast400) I was afraid you had been posessed or that an imposter was posting under your ID. Glad to know that wasn't true and that you're safe.