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[jpars82]

All I'm saying is he is out of line a lot. I do not want him to be banned. He has also made many positive contributions to this forum. He just needs to stop creating problems. Does anyone else in this forum create problems??? Every attack/problem in this forum has involved Nootropi. I don't know what personal problems he is having but he does not need to bring that here. A year ago, this forum never had a single fight. The growth here now is great. Nootropi, I'm grateful for the contributions you have made and hopefully will continue to make. If you can just refrain from the personal attacks then everything would be ok. If you have criticism, then please display it in a more civil manner. That's all I ask.

[susmariosep]

First, I confess that I have not read all the posts in this thread; yet, I think generally that I am aware what it is all about.

So at the risk of earning a rebuke to shut up, I will contribute my two cents worth.


About Chinese medicine, there is one way for a rough criterion to know whether it is serious or another snake oil, namely, see if there is any exact precise address in the package or container of the medicine, and check out the address like you are looking for a missing person and you are a paid for results as a private investigator.


Family members and friends have received from well-meaning friends all kinds of medicinal concoctions from China, some are good, like their centuries old remedies for your everyday gastrointestinal troubles; there are others quite costly and beautifully packaged with the finest print technology and art work.

But very often these latters for all the impressive costumings don't carry any address. One such item some years back was the so-called China Number One, which promised to cure cancer and other lingering illnesses. I could not find any address in the package nor in the beautifully crafted capsule containers, individually accompanied also with a glamorous leaflet.

So I told my kinsman not to take it, notwithstanding all the glowing testimonies from patients who have benefitted from its use. He got it from other family members from the most loving concern and generosity. Because the manufacturers obviously are afraid to be located, evidently to save themselves from adverse government punitive actions or costly complaints from private parties.

If the medicine is good, it will stay for decades even centuries. If not, it will hang around for at most two or three years until the quota of suckers has benn exhausted.

Yet, I must admit that I have personally observed with very critical eye how some Chinese herb medicine practitioners or we might call them folk medicine practitioners, without sophisticated Western scientific equipment and substances, can heal when Western doctors have condemned already a patient to prepare for departure, to put his affairs in order.

One such doctor could cure cancer of the liver with his prescription of herbs which you don't have to buy from him, but can pick up at the common Chinese apothecary in the local Chinatown district.

You have to brew these herbs in an earthen pot or glass will do. The reason is obvious, to prevent chemical reaction with the metals of the cooking vessels. Take the brew twice a day for some two or three weeks.

An old woman friend of my wife's family, with liver cancer was given up by the most prominent cancer specialists for hopeless, and they would not bother with her anymore; yet to this day she is still around and about, active in everyday chores at home and carrying on with her business, seemingly from ingesting the concoction of that Chinese folk doctor.

You know how this chinese folk doctor diagnose? By feeling the pulse in her right and/or left wrist, and looking at here eyes and also her tongue.


Back to Chinese imports, no matter how government will keep them out, like prohibited drugs they will get in. But remember to look for and look up the address of the manufacturer.

Susma

[stellar]

I'm not sure if this qualifies as...being unkind....but I suggest you read the post by braindrain near the bottom of page 2 of this thread:

http://forum.avantla...30

One rarely sees a collective asswhipping like that.....


Advice to Nootropi:

Seriously....cut your stack in half, if not more!!

[susmariosep]

That guy was soooo pompous he really was hard to see as anything more than some nerdy kid who desperately sought and found an outlet where he could exert a sense of authority and let his ego run amok. -- by braindrain near the bottom of page 2 of this thread: http://forum.avantla...30

In one thread of another forum years back I was also called a pompous ass by a lady poster who told me that she had put me in her disregard basket or blacklist. And the only thing I was trying to say without directing my attention to her, was that if paedophilia or was it paederasty is a recurring offense of Catholic clergymen, then it would be good to abolish the Catholic priesthood altogether; because anyway there is still the priesthood of the laity, so to speak.

That was a very painful epithet on me at that time, and up to now when I recall that incident I feel a chill up my spine.

But down the years I seem to have gotten inured to such expletives.

Anyway, Nootropi must be some character people love to hate. Until I get victimized by him, I guess I can still claim to be quietistic about him.

One thing sure is that there are people here who as they bemoan his PR also agree that he does contribute positive views in this here forum.

So, I guess it's like bitter medicine, the bitterness is not what we are after and what's curative, but the healing virtue. Now, if one day Nootropi can come up with the formula without the side effect of bitterness, then he will have in a way perfected further his therapeutic brews, I mean views.

Susma

[Yosi]

Now, the counter-argument; Mr. McClandless has NO proof that he has NOT shipped out powders with contaminants.

That's a blatant fallcy. You are the one who made a claim about his allegedly actions so it is up to you to back this claims with facts. Asking Mike to refute any dumb argument that you make (and alas, there are so many) is beyond moronic.

And before you jump and accuse me of being Mike's customer or anything like that, I want to make clear that I have never placed an order from him. However, based on Mike's dignified manner of replying all the shit you are throwing, I am positive that if I'll ever order a product from him, I have nothing to worry about.

This is my first post (ok, second if you consider my introduction post) to this board and I wrote it because I'm fed up with your childish behavior and the level or retardness you keep displaying. This is especially apparaent in debates you seem to conduct with people I highly appreciate such as Mike or AORSupport.

And now feel free to launch your ad-hominem childish "insults" on me. Hey, I even set up an avatar that will make it easier for you.

Yosi

[Yosi]

Nootropi -

You are continously dodging the issue at hand: Mike has offered you compensation for testing any of his products. Even more than that, he has offered to cut you a check if the results show impuritites. If you really believe what you yourself have been saying for the last several months, you would take him up on his offer.

This is ridiculous - you finally got what you wanted and now your too scared of being proved wrong to take action. It's pathetic.

Of course Nootropi is being pathetic. Being a troll usually is.

Yosi

[nootropi]

Hello Everybody:

I won't comment (or read the comments) in this thread anymore. That is because the discussion has degenerated into what I consider to be a waste of my time.

But I thought I should update the members whom happen to be reading this thread and tell them to read this post.

Have a happy holiday!

[lemon]

Nootropi is shaking the trees. This is a good thing. We as consumers should demand our products are not generated in garbage cans and contain harmful impurities (and for all we know they are in China and India). Notice who is frustrated/angry with him, the people at 1fast400. That speaks volumes as to what kind of people they are for taking offence at those who are concerned with the toxic garbage that is known to come from Chinese and Indian vendors.

[eternaltraveler]

welcome to the board yosi. Good to have you actively participating. You see that is one benefit about nootropi's ranting. It has brought lurkers out in force, who are now actively participating.

[hyoomen]

Okeedokee, since nobody else popped up with some motivation about compiling a purity/analysis FAQ, I'll get started on it in a little while. I'll try to make this a general information FAQ, however, and will allow it to be posted to any board that thinks it might be useful (with credit and information left in, solely so I can make sure it doesn't get updated improperly or becomes obsolete).

Thanks for the impetus on this, everybody who offered (positive or negative).

BTW, nootropi, I appreciate the post on concerns over Chinese herbal medicines, though I recognize that the article isn't explicitly talking about custom synths such as those we are taking advantage of. APMs or CHMs are unique products; we simply don't know HOW unique they might be when it comes to manufacturing processes. Put another way, do nootropics and 'Western' nutritional supplements suffer from the same manufacturing practices?

Anyway, I'll try to get started on this before I go to bed. Thanks!

[nootropi]

Okeedokee, since nobody else popped up with some motivation about compiling a purity/analysis FAQ, I'll get started on it in a little while.  I'll try to make this a general information FAQ, however, and will allow it to be posted to any board that thinks it might be useful (with credit and information left in, solely so I can make sure it doesn't get updated improperly or becomes obsolete).

Thanks for the impetus on this, everybody who offered (positive or negative).

BTW, nootropi, I appreciate the post on concerns over Chinese herbal medicines, though I recognize that the article isn't explicitly talking about custom synths such as those we are taking advantage of.  APMs or CHMs are unique products; we simply don't know HOW unique they might be when it comes to manufacturing processes.  Put another way, do nootropics and 'Western' nutritional supplements suffer from the same manufacturing practices?

Anyway, I'll try to get started on this before I go to bed.  Thanks!

Well I am really busy trying to relax right now...I am on a vacation. So sorry if I don't find it interesting to read several threads of repetitive, non-productive discourse.

The problem is that the nootropics we ingest have NO SET quality standards. Most are just imported directly from China. My point of emphasis is that it is VERY LIKELY that the nootropics we ingest have some contaminants. And they could be deadly.

I have submitted a few samples of rizzer's products for a USP metal and melting point assay; I did not pay for the purity assay (as it is most expensive). When I have the results I will share them here. I should have them by next week.

What has bothered me about Beyond-a-century is the fact that they have NOT YET DISCLOSED WHICH PRODUCTS COME DIRECTLY FROM CHINA AND/OR INDIA AND NEVER HAVE BEEN TESTED FOR METALS BY A THIRD PARTY LABRATORY (all they have are COAs from the Chinese/Indian supplier). So I have decided not to purchase any product that MIGHT fit this classification. I still but Suntheanine and Activin from them, as they come from reputable domestic suppliers. Please send them emails and phone calls requesting this information if you choose to ingest their products; for your own health's sake.

I was going to ask several members of this forum to submit samples; but out of due respect for my own time and the time of other members combined with the fact that I really have no incentive to organize a group; I realized that the most important issue to me is that my supplements do not contain metals. I believe that if members here question my "credibility" they should submit samples with their own money. I have nothing to sell and nothing to prove. It is your decision whether you choose to ingest these drugs; it is your life you risk. Also considering that some of the members I wanted to submit assays have made statements which make me uncomfortable I chose to submit these samples myself. I submitted them overnight mail and they arrived today at the lab.

I have bargained for $80 USP metal assays and $30 melting point assays with Analytical Labs in Anaheim. If anybody wants to submit a sample, you can contact david_analytical@yahoo.com.

Take care, and have a safe, happy holiday.

[stellar]

What has bothered me about Beyond-a-century is the fact that they have NOT YET DISCLOSED WHICH PRODUCTS COME DIRECTLY FROM CHINA AND/OR INDIA AND NEVER HAVE BEEN TESTED FOR METALS BY A THIRD PARTY LABRATORY (all they have are COAs from the Chinese/Indian supplier).  So I have decided not to purchase any product that MIGHT fit this classification.

So, You have decided to stop purchasing from Smi2le?
Aren't pretty much all of his powders from India/China?

[hyoomen]

Stellar, unless I'm misinterpreting nootropi, I believe he's suggesting that BAC doesn't even want to provide country-of-origin information, where smi2le apparently will. This would be somewhat similar to the mandatory labelling of whether products contain genetically modified ingredients or not -- there may not be a cause for concern even if the ingredients are genetically modified (or from China), but it certainly would be nice if we had access to information so we could decide for ourselves. This seems reasonable.

I do not particularly understand why any company selling products would be unwilling to offer at least vague sourcing information, unless they themselves question the purity of products from an area or manufacturer. At any rate, I look forward to seeing the data that comes in from some of these independent tests. Maybe somebody on one of the boards will come up w/ an even better deal than the aforementioned Analytical Labs offer.

Thanks again.

[stellar]

Stellar, unless I'm misinterpreting nootropi, I believe he's suggesting that BAC doesn't even want to provide country-of-origin information, where smi2le apparently will.

I don't need an interpretation of what he said, but is MY post that difficult to understand?
I was pointing out that (regardless of BAC's disclosures) most if not all of Smi2le's products come from India/China. He hasn't tested all of them, only a few.
A simple question: Is he going to stop purchasing from Smi2le?
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[hyoomen]

While the content of your posts certainly wasn't difficult to grasp, the apparent attitude is somewhat difficult to accept. I understand the concern for slander/liable as much as I do the concern for safety/purity of product.

My apologies for trying to mediate a discussion which is so ripe w/ arrogant chest-thumping. It simply doesn't seem anymore productive to continue badgering over personal issues than irrationally supporting a single company through persistently one-sided attacks does.

Later...

[stellar]

My apologies for trying to mediate a discussion which is so ripe w/ arrogant chest-thumping.

LOL. Mediate? A simple question I addressed towards Nootropi is now "arrogant chest thumping"? Badgering? Come on.....
If you think this is bad try reading that thread over at avant where some poster tells Nootropi to fuck off and that he wishes he would die!

[nootropi]

What has bothered me about Beyond-a-century is the fact that they have NOT YET DISCLOSED WHICH PRODUCTS COME DIRECTLY FROM CHINA AND/OR INDIA AND NEVER HAVE BEEN TESTED FOR METALS BY A THIRD PARTY LABRATORY (all they have are COAs from the Chinese/Indian supplier).  So I have decided not to purchase any product that MIGHT fit this classification.

So, You have decided to stop purchasing from Smi2le?
Aren't pretty much all of his powders from India/China?

No, I WILL still purchase products from Smi2le and get them tested; if the results are favorable, then I will share them here and purchase in kilogram (or more) quantities.

Recall that it is only smi2le that will reimburse me for the costs of third party assays. It is a waste of my time and money to assay any other companies' products.

[Mike M]

I do have this question. Does Smile uses a cap-em quick machine right? I have some caps here and they have powder and dust all over them. You just have to assume he put the right amount in per cap??

[nootropi]

I do have this question.  Does Smile uses a cap-em quick machine right?  I have some caps here and they have powder and dust all over them.  You just have to assume he put the right amount in per cap??

I don't know; I encapsulate everything by myself.

[magr]

Recall that it is only smi2le that will reimburse me for the costs of third party assays.

Recall that it is only smi2le that will take your money, not send any products and not answer any emails.

[stellar]

No, I WILL still purchase products from Smi2le and get them tested; if the results are favorable, then I will share them here and purchase in kilogram (or more) quantities.

What do you do for a living?
That sounds outrageously expensive.....I wonder how much a kilo of Alpha GPC, theanine, and phenibut costs.

[nootropi]

No, I WILL still purchase products from Smi2le and get them tested; if the results are favorable, then I will share them here and purchase in kilogram (or more) quantities.

What do you do for a living?
That sounds outrageously expensive.....I wonder how much a kilo of Alpha GPC, theanine, and phenibut costs.

I live on a budget. I have a certain amount that I can spend each month. I can propose to my sponsors a cust cutting plan; namely one would raise costs significantly for one month, but over the period of a year it would certainly save money buying by the kilo; not to mention; it would feel a lot better knowing that I was ingesting a kilo of a product that was intended to be ingested by humans (ie. NOT a Chinese import that MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT be deadly).

[stellar]

Nootropi,
A kilo is a lot to order all at once. For some substances, the doseages are as such that a kilo would last well over a year.
Some of these chemicals are photosensitive, so you'd want to keep them in a dark container, away from light to avoid degradation. Perhaps others are in need of freezer storage.
I'd hope that if you're going to invest that much, you'd also take precautions to avoid the degradation of your supplements. I would advise that you purchase a Food Saver in order to store your supplements in a vacuum sealed environment. I have model 1050, it works well.

You could divide the kilo up into 10 100g lots (or whatever) and vacuum seal them. Then put in a dark container and store away from light, in an area which the temperature is constant (not too hot or too cold). Depending on the substance, long term storage may require the use of a freezer. Then, when ready to use, just take it out and allow it to thaw.

I hope I've given you some good ideas on how to preserve your investment.

[thumb]

[nootropi]

Thank you, Stellar. One year is not really that long after all; there really should not be any problem staying for that long without any special storage.

I will look into it though; just to make sure. Thanks again, and thanks for your excellent contributions to the discussions here!

[alas_joe]

What supplements will you be taking as part of your daily stack next year?

[pinballwizard]

Thank for the COA's Fast. I think nootropi has brought up a good point regarding the toxins (I've been a consumerlab.com customer, and I think it can be pretty surprising) and I'm glad your the one who decided to step up and provide them (makes me feel pretty damn good about doing/sending business your way).

I agree. That is good business. Way to go.

I suggest a third party COA of aniracetam, not to open up any sore wounds or anything.

I think a larger product line is just as important. Congrats on your business success. The more you make the cheaper this stuff will get as economies of scale are achieved

[Yosi]

welcome to the board yosi. Good to have you actively participating. You see that is one benefit about nootropi's ranting. It has brought lurkers out in force, who are now actively participating.

Hi Elrond,

Thanks for the kind words (me think ). The reason I lurk here is because I don't like to post on topics I'm not well familiar with. However, reading Nootropi's bullshit made me want to counterbalance it. I'm also glad that Mike showed to the rest of this board how much crap Nootropi spews and hope that he will at least stop bad mouthing 1fast400.

While I agree with you that the benefit about Nootropi is that he brings out lurkers, I'm afraid that that's his only benefit. I truly hope he'll be banned so his destructive and misleading behavior will come to a stop.

Yosi

[magr]

The reason I lurk here is because I don't like to post on topics I'm not well familiar with.

This is the same reason I did not post either.

Then when I had all these problems with smi2le and brought it to everybodys attention I was told that I had no credibility.

Good that you registered, now you can post easily

Nootropi doesn't need to be banned, some of his personalities are just a bit aggressive. Wait a couple of days and he'll literally be another person.

Happy Christmas!

[Yosi]

[quote]The reason I lurk here is because I don't like to post on topics I'm not well familiar with.[/quote]

This is the same reason I did not post either.

Then when I had all these problems with smi2le and brought it to everybodys attention I was told that I had no credibility.[/quote]

By nootropi, right? That's because he is a retard. Dismissing someone only because his total number of posts is lower than an arbitrary threshold is something really stupid and is just an excuse.

[quote]Nootropi doesn't need to be banned, some of his personalities are just a bit aggressive. Wait a couple of days and he'll literally be another person.[/quote]

I think he should be. He's a rather noisy member on these boards so it's hard not to read his posts. I've seen him communicate with AORSupport and Mike as well as how he behaved in the whole Smi2le horror stories thread. He is a childish and stupid and this type of behavior already made him a joke on the avant boards. Seems that he continues to behave exactly the same way here.

[quote]Happy Christmas! [/quote]



Thanks, however I'm Jewish [lol]

Yosi

[stellar]

I think he should be. He's a rather noisy member on these boards so it's hard not to read his posts. I've seen him communicate with AORSupport and Mike as well as how he behaved in the whole Smi2le horror stories thread. He is a childish and stupid and this type of behavior already made him a joke on the avant boards. Seems that he continues to behave exactly the same way here.

One could simply choose not to read his posts, Mr. "Lurker" (LOL).