48 replies to this topic

[thedevinroy]

The racetams are pretty cool stuff. They all do their own thing in their own way, but ultimately improve overall cognition. The strongest easily available on the market is Pramiracetam which is fat soluble and tastes like chemical warfare, but it has the least of "noticeable" effects until mental activity is engaged. Aniracetam is the other fat-soluble racetam which is considerable more popular and is often noted for its sedative effects.

Of the water soluble ones, Piracetam and Oxiracetam are the popular choices, with the latter being the stronger out of the two.

The third most popular one that is not widely available is called Phenylpiracetam, a drug developed for astronauts to stay awake. Many reports of its great cognitive enhancing capabilities can be found online, one even mentioning an accident synergy with a few other nootropics that resulted in a temporary photographic memory. The phenyl ring makes it a killer improvement over the other racetams in terms of a brain drug. Wikipedia states it as being a banned olympic substance due to its physically stimulating effects.

It goes by the brand names Phenotropyl and Carphedon when taken in tablet form. These can be bought online at a few Russian sites. I'm not interested in tablets. I like to mix, and I see a future in finding nootropic synergies for various mental effects such as focus, memory, and creativity. I have a crude crushing mechanism, but I'd rather not pay dearly for phenylpiractem tablets at premium price if I can get get powder for wholesale or distribution price. There are some overseas companies offering to synthesize it, but chances are this doesn't pass US standard levels of purity as a supplement.

I'm looking for an American supplier or laboratory who would synthesize it. I'm pretty sure a bulk nootropic store or an ebay store wouldn't mind buying a kilogram from an American lab if there is enough interest. If enough agree to buy 50g at $1/gram, the store can cover their costs at around 10-20 minimum (if lab charges under $1000/kg) and the store can mark up the price as needed afterwards. Typical doses are between 100mg and 300mg taken 2x a day, so it would cost at most 60 cents a day for this super nootropic. That would be worth it for me, and I bet for bunch of other buyers.

Let me know if you are interested in approaching these stores with me or if you already know an American supplier.

[thedevinroy]

I've decided to not wait and just start contacting labs that would synthesize it. I found one (BOC Sciences), and I am emailing them now for a quote on a kilogram.

If anyone has some better ideas for a phenylpiracetam source, let me know.

[Ark]

What about Longcity member Saha, I've bought Nootropics from him and he can get it from the source. I suggest you try contacting him. If you end up with extra hit me up, I may want some.

[Bigfuzz]

Let me know if you are interested in approaching these stores with me or if you already know an American supplier.

I was just searching around for a phenylpiracetam supp and ended up on this page where I saw your post.. and then I registered here to simply say, I AM DOWN! at $1 a gram I would be down for $50 to start for myself personally and potentially a kilogram if I found it useful. I can't find anyone that sells it where I am located.

Please keep me informed either via PM or email.

Thanks!!

Edited by Bigfuzz, 27 June 2011 - 05:28 AM.

[golden1]

would buy 100-150g @ $1/g
would still buy less at a higher price, price of pills is way too high though.

[thedevinroy]

Unfortunately, no supplier has replied yet.
I think the best way to do this would be to get a sample from a Chinese supplier and have it tested at RTP Labs or something to make sure nothing raises a red flag for human consumption.

[Bigfuzz]

Unfortunately, no supplier has replied yet.
I think the best way to do this would be to get a sample from a Chinese supplier and have it tested at RTP Labs or something to make sure nothing raises a red flag for human consumption.

Ah, I really don't like the Chinese source idea so hopefully BOC will get back to you soon! However if it tests pure and is safe then I suppose it's worth a shot

[thedevinroy]

Unfortunately, no supplier has replied yet.
I think the best way to do this would be to get a sample from a Chinese supplier and have it tested at RTP Labs or something to make sure nothing raises a red flag for human consumption.

Ah, I really don't like the Chinese source idea so hopefully BOC will get back to you soon! However if it tests pure and is safe then I suppose it's worth a shot

I'll see if I can follow up with BOC. Seeing prices online for research chemicals, I can only imagine that a US company is going to need a chunk of change larger than $1/gram.

Eh, I don't like the Chinese supplier idea either, but perhaps I can find a success story online of an overseas supplier that will help point me in the right direction. The thought came to me when I looked at Smart Powders' web site on the Pramiracetam page. They had the CoA done by RTP Labs. That got me thinking... maybe RTP Labs is their source? So I check them out and realize that RTP Labs is a testing company... probably not the manufacturers of Pramiracetam. In fact, the reason to get it tested by a US Lab is probably because the chemical came from overseas. Suddenly everything made sense, why they could afford to sell at a price around $1200/kilogram... Alibaba here I come.

[Phunny Pharm]

I would be lying if I said I wasnt interested in this idea.

[thedevinroy]

I would be lying if I said I wasnt interested in this idea.

A racetam + stimulant combo does sound nice, right? High potency, too. If it is anything like its chemical structure implies, it should be like ephedrine and piracetam put together. There are some tolerance issues, but to each his own. Like most people needing stimulation, I don't build tolerance quickly.

UPDATE: Emailed BOC Sciences again and made a list of 13 overseas suppliers. PM me if you'd like to help me contact these suppliers. Knowing legal Chinese helps! All of them are from China.

[Bigfuzz]

Unfortunately, no supplier has replied yet.
I think the best way to do this would be to get a sample from a Chinese supplier and have it tested at RTP Labs or something to make sure nothing raises a red flag for human consumption.

Ah, I really don't like the Chinese source idea so hopefully BOC will get back to you soon! However if it tests pure and is safe then I suppose it's worth a shot

I'll see if I can follow up with BOC. Seeing prices online for research chemicals, I can only imagine that a US company is going to need a chunk of change larger than $1/gram.

Eh, I don't like the Chinese supplier idea either, but perhaps I can find a success story online of an overseas supplier that will help point me in the right direction. The thought came to me when I looked at Smart Powders' web site on the Pramiracetam page. They had the CoA done by RTP Labs. That got me thinking... maybe RTP Labs is their source? So I check them out and realize that RTP Labs is a testing company... probably not the manufacturers of Pramiracetam. In fact, the reason to get it tested by a US Lab is probably because the chemical came from overseas. Suddenly everything made sense, why they could afford to sell at a price around $1200/kilogram... Alibaba here I come.

Right, I am sure that most supp companies are getting their raws from China and simply having it tested for purity here--makes plenty of sense from a business standpoint.

As far as speaking Chinese it may be difficult due to how many different dialects there are so something like Google Translate may or may not help.

Someone has got to have a line on this stuff.. we cannot possibly be the only people interested in it

[Guacamolium]

The synthesis is fairly expensive and you'd need bulk quantities to get the price @ $1.00 per gram. BOC from my experience is fairly pricey. I'd go with China if I were you, or get someone at a Uni to synthesize it.

If you were to go through that much trouble; might I suggest aiming your sights a bit higher - like a much more advanced ampakine than phenylpiracetam.

[thedevinroy]

The synthesis is fairly expensive and you'd need bulk quantities to get the price @ $1.00 per gram. BOC from my experience is fairly pricey. I'd go with China if I were you, or get someone at a Uni to synthesize it.

Good advice. I think I'll go with it. BOC isn't getting back to me. Perhaps they know I'm up to no good.

If you were to go through that much trouble; might I suggest aiming your sights a bit higher - like a much more advanced ampakine than phenylpiracetam.

Phenylpiracetam has been around a while and is already being sold without prescription in Russia as tonic, which dare I say, is harmless to a normal person at a normal dose. I'd rather not mess with research chemicals, especially those with high potency. The worst that could happen is that I'd up-regulate or re-sensitize every single AMPA receptor in my body by accident and have my first seizure. I'm not very steady with my hands and don't have a scale, so this is a possibility with Sunifram powder or something.

If you have suggestions on something stronger you've researched and experienced, please do share. I'm a skeptic open to a little suggestion.

[thedevinroy]

Anyone have any experience with these suppliers as far as quality, price, and English-speaking ability?


http://www.aokchem.c...il.php?id=10278
http://www.chemplat....nfo.asp?id=1153
http://www.sagechem....how_298085.html
http://www.hehuichem...p?id=28277&lb=2
http://www.jalor-che...ro.php?id=88771
http://www.rovathin....oe.php?id=58342
http://www.haihangchem.com/Orderen.asp
http://www.atomaxche...o.asp?id=161350
http://www.ensky-che...lproe.php?id=26
http://www.zeniview....ail.php?id=8839
http://www.bocsci.co...on.asp?id=98342
http://www.pharmasic...om/contact.html
http://koreypharm.en..._acetamide.html
http://zjgzhaohe.en....henotropil.html

[allen-liew]

The racetams are pretty cool stuff. They all do their own thing in their own way, but ultimately improve overall cognition. The strongest easily available on the market is Pramiracetam which is fat soluble and tastes like chemical warfare, but it has the least of "noticeable" effects until mental activity is engaged. Aniracetam is the other fat-soluble racetam which is considerable more popular and is often noted for its sedative effects.

Of the water soluble ones, Piracetam and Oxiracetam are the popular choices, with the latter being the stronger out of the two.

The third most popular one that is not widely available is called Phenylpiracetam, a drug developed for astronauts to stay awake. Many reports of its great cognitive enhancing capabilities can be found online, one even mentioning an accident synergy with a few other nootropics that resulted in a temporary photographic memory. The phenyl ring makes it a killer improvement over the other racetams in terms of a brain drug. Wikipedia states it as being a banned olympic substance due to its physically stimulating effects.

It goes by the brand names Phenotropyl and Carphedon when taken in tablet form. These can be bought online at a few Russian sites. I'm not interested in tablets. I like to mix, and I see a future in finding nootropic synergies for various mental effects such as focus, memory, and creativity. I have a crude crushing mechanism, but I'd rather not pay dearly for phenylpiractem tablets at premium price if I can get get powder for wholesale or distribution price. There are some overseas companies offering to synthesize it, but chances are this doesn't pass US standard levels of purity as a supplement.

I'm looking for an American supplier or laboratory who would synthesize it. I'm pretty sure a bulk nootropic store or an ebay store wouldn't mind buying a kilogram from an American lab if there is enough interest. If enough agree to buy 50g at $1/gram, the store can cover their costs at around 10-20 minimum (if lab charges under $1000/kg) and the store can mark up the price as needed afterwards. Typical doses are between 100mg and 300mg taken 2x a day, so it would cost at most 60 cents a day for this super nootropic. That would be worth it for me, and I bet for bunch of other buyers.

Let me know if you are interested in approaching these stores with me or if you already know an American supplier.

Where would i find the US standard levels of purity for this composition? I'm interseted in it.

Edited by allen-liew, 10 July 2011 - 02:52 PM.

[jessah13]

I would definitely be interested in 50-100g for $1/gram.

Please let me know if this ever moves along!

[Bigfuzz]

If any of you are interested in pramiracetem at $1 a gram ( or very close to that depending on his availability) then please pm me and I will give you his email address. He also has phenylpiracetem, the Nopept brand.. no it's not cheap more like $4.50 a gram but if bought in bulk he may be able to curve that price--emphasis on "may"

I have bought his pramiracetam before and it's lab tested for 99% purity so it's pretty good stuff.

ps. I do not get a kickbacks in any form from this guy, I just found him by chance and he seems like a reasonable guy.

[Isochroma]

What's the point? BioScience Nutraceuticals has Pramiracetam for less than $1 per gram for a mere 25g order size. Larger sizes are even cheaper - 100g is only $69.95.

Since the thread's about Phenylpiracetam - which BSN doesn't carry - I think it would be more interesting to hear from somebody that can get decently priced PP.

PS. Bigfuzz: "He also has phenylpiracetem, the Nopept brand". Phenylpiracetam is NOT Noopept. Totally different beasts. If you want orders you'll need trust and for that you'll have to be more careful with your posts.

Edited by Isochroma, 20 July 2011 - 09:03 PM.

[thedevinroy]

What's the point? BioScience Nutraceuticals has Pramiracetam for less than $1 per gram for a mere 25g order size. Larger sizes are even cheaper - 100g is only $69.95.

Since the thread's about Phenylpiracetam - which BSN doesn't carry - I think it would be more interesting to hear from somebody that can get decently priced PP.

PS. Bigfuzz: "He also has phenylpiracetem, the Nopept brand". Phenylpiracetam is NOT Noopept. Totally different beasts. If you want orders you'll need trust and for that you'll have to be more careful with your posts.

Wow good find on the Racetam powder supplier. Their prices are pretty much awesome... I'll shoot them an email and see if they'll make PhenylPiracetam and their terms.

[Isochroma]

Good idea. I think they're this forum's sponsor.

On some other threads I've saved I found some reports about PP's effects. Seems the stuff is like "speed without side effects" for some people, but only for the first 4-5 days. After that the responders report that its stimulative effects disappear and all that remains is a piracetam-like effect.

So it looks like tolerance to the 'special qualities' that they phenyl ring provides is rapid. That and the price are the two reasons I haven't tried it yet. I'd be willing to try a bit but not more than one week's supply, because I suspect that just like certain others, after a week it would be no better than piracetam.

[Bigfuzz]

What's the point? BioScience Nutraceuticals has Pramiracetam for less than $1 per gram for a mere 25g order size. Larger sizes are even cheaper - 100g is only $69.95.

Since the thread's about Phenylpiracetam - which BSN doesn't carry - I think it would be more interesting to hear from somebody that can get decently priced PP.

PS. Bigfuzz: "He also has phenylpiracetem, the Nopept brand". Phenylpiracetam is NOT Noopept. Totally different beasts. If you want orders you'll need trust and for that you'll have to be more careful with your posts.

Wow, Isochroma, I where do I start? What's the point you ask? Well first off I didn't know of any other place to get pram for even close to a dollar a gram and secondly the guy who sold me mine told me that he had phenylpiracetam and that it was called Nopept. I haven't ordered anything from him because I've been massively busy lately. Perhaps if I did want to place an order with him I would have did 3 seconds of research and found out what it really was--my mistake so how about you crucify me for it?

As far as your asshole comment of "if you want orders you'll need trust..." I don't want any orders, I am not a source, I don't stand to gain anything from referring anyone to the guy I use. I guess that's why I wrote "I do not get kickbacks" in my initial post--to avoid comments like yours.

[picollo7]

how is this going? has it gone through? anyone get it?

[kevinseven11]

These companies are most likely part of a fraud network.

[NeuronicObserver]

These companies are most likely part of a fraud network.

Do you have any reasoning for this?

Edited by NeuronicObserver, 25 December 2011 - 05:24 PM.

[kevinseven11]

First off I noticed on this forum of someone claiming they bought bulk powder from a company called so young. This company had a picture that was poorly photoshoped (perhaps MS paint). So I wondered if it was a scam and came across this website. http://report-online...aba-scams-work/ I'm sure there are some reliable companies, but I think the majority are scams.

[chainwheel]

DEVIN.... you bring up a good idea we could literally create an online nootropic supplement co-op we could use the structure from a fundraising website to raise enough from various people who want 50 grams... till we hit 1 kilo, then we order the stuff, and send it out to everybody. thoughts?

[chainwheel]

ah.. looking at your profile I see you already have a business model in mind.

[ScienceGuy]

The racetams are pretty cool stuff... The third most popular one that is not widely available is called Phenylpiracetam, a drug developed for astronauts to stay awake. Many reports of its great cognitive enhancing capabilities can be found online, one even mentioning an accident synergy with a few other nootropics that resulted in a temporary photographic memory. The phenyl ring makes it a killer improvement over the other racetams in terms of a brain drug. Wikipedia states it as being a banned olympic substance due to its physically stimulating effects.

It goes by the brand names Phenotropyl and Carphedon when taken in tablet form. These can be bought online at a few Russian sites. I'm not interested in tablets. I like to mix, and I see a future in finding nootropic synergies for various mental effects such as focus, memory, and creativity. I have a crude crushing mechanism, but I'd rather not pay dearly for phenylpiractem tablets at premium price if I can get get powder for wholesale or distribution price. There are some overseas companies offering to synthesize it, but chances are this doesn't pass US standard levels of purity as a supplement.

I'm looking for an American supplier or laboratory who would synthesize it. I'm pretty sure a bulk nootropic store or an ebay store wouldn't mind buying a kilogram from an American lab if there is enough interest. If enough agree to buy 50g at $1/gram, the store can cover their costs at around 10-20 minimum (if lab charges under $1000/kg) and the store can mark up the price as needed afterwards. Typical doses are between 100mg and 300mg taken 2x a day, so it would cost at most 60 cents a day for this super nootropic. That would be worth it for me, and I bet for bunch of other buyers.

FYI - Assuming you can find a reliable source I'd be interested in buying a decent size quantity of PHENYLPIRACETAM, say 500 grams (0.5 Kg)

[Republican0fHeaven]

You can mark me down for 100 grams. You should compile a list of all interested people. With ScienceGuy's half kilo and all the other interest this should be up to almost a kilo in total. PM me details if you find anything like a University or can give credibility to a Chinese supplier.

What about Russian suppliers? You mentioned its sold there without a script.

Also, I don't want to get off-topic but do you gents get your Piracetam cheaper than $90/kilo??? Thats the cheapest I can find other than hardrhino, which is sketchy on credibility.

Edit: found it from TheBulkSource on Amazon for $63/kilo

Edited by Republican0fHeaven, 21 February 2012 - 07:57 AM.

[yowza]

Interesting thread. There's a number of supplement sites that are now selling nefiracetam I see. More than a few supplement retailers that order from certain chemical suppliers but of course can't expect any help from them.

I've just asked for a quote from 3 separate places:


http://www.suchem.com.cn/product.asp?Keywords=77472-70-9
http://www.chemmol.com/chemmol/suppliers/beyond/texts.php (under keyword search type in "4-phenylpiracetam")
http://koreypharm.en.alibaba.com/product/423778931-210833170/_2_Oxo_4_phenylpyrrolidin_1_yl_acetamide.html

I'll see if I hear back from any of them.

My main concern would be toxicity due to contaminants. I'm trying to limit my search to companies that just make pharmaceuticals and have sold to supplement companies to stay on the safe side. Even then, testing would still be necessary though for each batch so I've got to factor that in too.

Edited by yowza, 04 May 2012 - 11:33 PM.