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#1 zawy

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 09:36 PM


Nutrients for existing cancer, with a bias towards lung cancer. The indicated doses are based on mice studies and a 2200 calorie diet. Most of the research indicated occurred in the past 5 years. The indicated tumor responses in mice are compared to controls, not a reduction in tumor size after treatment. The percentages may only partially correspond increased lifespan verses controls. I found these by searching pubmed with "[nutrient] lung cancer mice".

Korean Ginseng (aka red and panax ginseng) at 100 to 200 mg per 70 kg person of ginsenosides had 70% inhibition of angiogenesis and tumor size in mice. 2 pills of natures plus. Two good mice studies on lung cancer. Will add energy to day...and maybe nights too.

Berberine 2 g, 5 pills per day. 0.2% diet in mice resulted in 80% smaller NSCLC tumors (started before the NSCLC was injected). Also works to stop proliferation. Numerous studies. 10 different cancers tested in vitro so far in 2011.

grape seed extract, 2.5 g, 10 pills per day. 0.5% diet in mice resulted in 50% smaller tumors and 38% reduction in proliferation. Resveratrol with this won't hurt, but it may not be bioavailable unless it is in G.I. tract or DMSO is used for delivery to to skin or prostrate.


Pomegranate extract 2g, 5 pills per day with 1 or 2 whole pomegranates (seeds and all). Just 1 pill might be enough to simulate the 50% smaller tumors in NSCLC mice. 2nd study: 65% smaller lung tumers that were induced (non-human), same dose: 0.2% in drinking water to simulate 2 pomegranates per day for 70 kg person.

green tea extract with catechins 5 g, 12 pills per day to simulate the 1% in diet in mice that reduced progression and metastasis in mice lung cancer 50% in several mouse studies. Does not work without the catechins and the catechins in this might allow curcumin to finally work in vivo. Curcumin is not otherwise bio-available in pure form.

lycopene at 0.3g per 500g diet had 60% smaller tumors when began before tumor inoculation. Only 2 studies like this in lung cancer.

fish oil 10% by weight of diet (20 grams/day). 50% reduction in adenocarcinoma, improved NSCLC chemo, "fish oil supplementation [10%] was able to decrease lung tumor [in mice] prevalence by 78% and 80%"

methylselenocysteine 4,000 mcg, 20 per day, 60 per day to being with. 70% smaller prostate tumors in mice. In test tube only for lung cancer, but bio-availability seems reliable. Potentially toxic at these levels, fingernails and hair. Likely to work differently than plant compounds therefore better chance of being additive effect.

Soy Phytochemical Concentrate 0.5% in diet (2.5g per 500g) containing genistein reduced bladder metastasis to lung by 95% whereas only 70% for genistein by itself (0.8g per 500g). Both kept initial tumor sizes to 50% of controls. Genistein also effective in breast cancer even after inoculation at only 0.1 g per 500g diet.

Silibinin (in milk thistle) 1.6 g/d (6 pills of 250 mg) in 500g diet in mice caused 36% and 50% reduction in tumor multiplicity and number. 2nd study, 5 g/d (20 pills) in 500g diet caused 50% reduction in medium tumors, and 37% reduction in large tumors. This doesn't seem to work as well as the others. Additive effect with I3C in study.

I3C (from broccoli) 5g per 500g diet (30 pills) has large benefit in small cell lung cancer but 2.5g has little effect. But in another study, 0.75 g/day in 500 g diet in mice (about 4 pills) caused 43% and 83% reduction in tumor multiplicity and number. Additive effect with silibinin. Just a lot of whole broccoli without the stems might be just as good.

vitamin D, 1 per day ( 5,000 IU ).

The following are less reliable, or not easily achievable.


Caffeine 400 mg/day seemed to have a strong effect in one mice study. (2 to 4 cups coffee per day)

coconut oil to avoid carbs

Apples (1 per day = 2.5 times fewer lung cancers). Quercetin (from apples): seemed to cause depression.

Beta-sitosterol for prostate and breast cancers.

Others with possibly similar results in mice for lung caner

GLA 12 g/day, 40 pills, maybe no more effective than fish oil

Deguelin at 0.07 g per 500g diet reduces lung cancer load by 80%. Many cancers studied. Very powerful, low toxicity, but not apparently available. LD50 in humans 10g to 100g per day. Rapidly decomposes in light and air. Tephrosin & rotenone are co-existing rotenoids are very toxic (parkinsons) LD50 at only 30 mg/70kg.

Skullcap, shiitake, and ginger just didn't seem to have the necessary research to be included.

Fish Oil: 15 g/d

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Soy Phyto Extract:
2.5 g/day

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Korean Ginseng: 200 mg/d

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Grape Seed Extract: 2.5 g/day

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I3C
1 to 5 g/day

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Pomegranate extract,
~ 2 g/day

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Methylselenocysteine
3,300 mcg/day

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Deguelin
0.1 g/day

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Edited by zawy, 21 June 2011 - 09:46 PM.


#2 zawy

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 11:43 PM

I wish the ability to edit was not temporary. Soy Phyto Extract is a probelm because they contain Daidzein which can make tumors worse.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 08:37 PM

Regarding your lung cancer friend who has now
progressed to Stage 4a, presumably with metastases
to the brain, he could start on Scutellaria baicalensis
plus the classic Chinese herbal formula, Shi Quan Da
Bu Wan.

The latter formula is the Japanese Kampo TJ-48
called Juzen taiho-to, also manufactured by the
Japanese pharmaceutial firm as "Energy Kampo".


http://www.vitacost....hinese-Skullcap

http://www.vitacost....rgy-Kampo-trade


http://www.ncbi.nlm....cles/PMC1560162

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=20457505

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=19031366

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=21457722


http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=11062703

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=9703264


http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=12704821

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=18541122

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=16914050
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Posted 30 July 2011 - 09:26 PM

You guessed it, 0.4 cm tumor at the edge of his brain, still symptom free. Almost 2 years after the initial diagnosis. Now he has finally started the green tea extract and grape seed extract. It's been difficult to get him to try anything that we know works in animals. People get annoyed if you try to push them. It also depresses them to think about the fact that they have cancer. The general population is completely unable to identify the legitimate science that is out there, choosing instead to fall for the professional oncology routine, or for the flood of feel-good hoaky stuff. They also can't grasp that the heavy doses of the right supplements are everything. You can recommend I.V. vit C and their cheery response is "Oh, I'm already take a bunch of it everyday." Or you recommend berberine or pomegranate extract at 4 grams/day and they say "gee that sure is expensive." Life isn't worth $6 a day to most people. I've tried to send people links and explain things, but it's almost universally a waste of time. My advice to those trying to help a friend with cancer to take the right nutritional pills is to forget it. They'll only open up when it is too late.

Here's my update of the above information. Good for all cancers, but biased towards lung cancer.

This is for treating existing cancer. The indicated doses are based on mice studies and a 2000 calorie human diet, and are similar to the doses used in human trials. The tumor reduction percentages are compared to those not receiving treatment, not a reduction in the size or number of tumors after treatment. The hope is that the percentages correspond to increased lifespan, and that the effects are additive. The 6 treatments in the list each had at least a 50% reduction in tumor size, number, and/or metastases. Taking half the dose usually causes the cancer to grow twice as fast as the full dose, so the amounts are important. I found these by searching PubMed with "[nutrient] cancer mice". This has a bias towards lung cancer. There are a couple of other options for breast, prostate, skin, and colon cancers like soy products, beta-sistosterol, curcumin, and resveratrol (see discussion).

Here's the summary:

All fats from fish oil, at least 50 grams per day (20% of daily calories) $4.50/day

12 Green Tea Extract with caffeine (6,000 mg) * $1/day

12 Grape Seed Extract (3,000 mg) * $2/day

8 Berberine (2,000 mg) $2/day

4 pomegranate extract (1,600 mg) $2/day

2 to 4 teaspoons cinnamon

Basic nutrition: 1 vitamin C twice a day (2,000 mg), 1 vitamin D (5,000 IU), 1 vit B50 complex

As much of the green tops of broccoli as possible.

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40 pills per day, about $360 a month. This is possible if pills are divided into 4 sets of 12 taken every 4 hours. If fewer pills are desired, skip methylselenocysteine.

Most of this is tart flavonoids which can be difficult to tolerate, especially without food and milk and the doses have been reduced to be the bare minimum that can duplicate the mouse studies. They definitely need to be divided up into 4 doses per day.

Keep in mind, a 30% reduction in calories causes a 25% increase in lifespan, with or without cancer.


Broccoli and Citrus pills may be great, but they are not standardized extracts, so simply eating the darkest color parts of these plants (like the skin and seeds of tangerines) may be just as good as taking 20 each of these pills per day.

Compounds that appear great but are not available to the public: Betulinic acid, deguelin, silibinin, certain compounds of broccoli (the extracts do not seem to have enough), Ginsenoside Rg3 from ginseng, and certain soy genistein formulations.

Compounds that do not have strong enough evidence yet for most a wide range of cancers but may work well in specific cancers: IP6, selenite, methylselenocysteine, soy and genistein.

Compounds that may work on certain cancers by direct contact like skin and colon, but are otherwise not bioavialable in humans: curcumin, resveratrol. Curcumin maybe in prostate and pancreas when combined with a liposomal carrier.

Compounds where the situation is complex and I need to study: I3C (estrogen problem?), vitamin E, vitamin A, and the flavonols quercetin and kaempferol, and soy isoflavones.

Here are the details

Total intake of flavonoids (as in this list of cinnamon, grape seeds, green tea, and pomegranate) in humans is normally around 0.05 g/d, but the mouse studies show good reduction in tumors at around 5 to 10 g/d (converted to human dose). A "paleolithic" diet did not have fertilizers and genetics to reduce the nutrient density provided 1 g/d. For example, our ancestors received 20 times more vitamin C. The mice studies show that 5 times more than this paleolithic normal is required for flavonoids to seriously slow cancer. There are 4 different classes of flavonoids suggested, so taking all of them could result in about 15 times more than the paleolithic normal which increases the chances of toxicity. Since these are natural and common compounds, the toxicity should be mild and reversible.

green tea extract with catechins 6 g

20 weeks after BaPat lung cancer inoculation, 1% in diet in diet of 65% EGCG (equiv to 1.5% in water tea solids) for 25 weeks gave twice as much in blood and lung tissue compared to 0.5% in water. This resulted in 10 times fewer large and medium tumors, but not a change in the number of tumors, indicating growth rate was slowed. In another study 0.5% in drinking water of the same extract extract was started 20 weeks after NNK lung cancer inoculation and lasted for 32 weeks resulting in 50% fewer adenocarcinomas developing.GTE has Flavonols: quercetin, kaempferol, myricetin like capers. The EGCG (a flavAnol) does not work without the catechins (another flavAnol). One study thinks catechins in green tea extract might allow curcumin to finally work in vivo. Curcumin is not otherwise bio-available in pure form. Only 3% of 30 men with neoplasias got prostate cancer after one year at only 600 mg/d, verses 30% of controls. 12 weeks at 6 g/d in human mouth pre-cancerous lesions resulted in 59% fewer cancers. Half the dose had only 38% reduction. At 4 g/d 66% of leukemia patients with palpable adenopathy had at least 50% reduction.

grape seed extract 3 g

0.5% in diet in mice resulted in 60% smaller tumors when started 29 days after inoculation (2 years in people?). 2nd study with similar results. The proanthocyanidins worked on all 4 NSCLC cell types and mutations thereof. Grapes contain anthocyanins (like berries, cocoa), proanthocyanidins (like apples, cinnamon, cocoa, pycnogenol), and catechins (green tea) so benefits may overlap. It does not have the flavanones (citrus), flavonols (capers and tea extracts), nor certain special non-flavonoid compounds that are in pomegranate and broccoli. Resveratrol with this won't hurt, but it is bio-unavailable unless it can come in contact with the cancer ( G.I. and use DMSO transport for skin and prostate). Resveratrol should be kept to less than 0.5 g/d to prevent ligament and tendon injury.

Pomegranate extract 1.6 g

The 0.2% in water lab-performed extract was fresh but not concentrated, intended to simulate 2 whole pomegranates in humans, and resulted in 50% smaller tumors in NSCLC mice. 2nd study: 65% smaller lung tumors that were induced (non-human), same dose: 0.2% in drinking water. Pomegranate has a large component of ellagic acid and punicalagins but it may overlap with other flavonoid nutrients because it has catechins, gallocatechins, and anthocyanins (the only flavylium). It

Berberine 2 g, $0.70/day.

0.2% diet in mice resulted in 80% smaller NSCLC tumors (started before the NSCLC was injected). Also works to stop proliferation. Numerous studies. 10 different cancers tested in vitro so far in 2011. Bioavailability unknown. This is really too early considering the expense, but the dose is so much smaller and doable that it is hard to ignore.

Cinnamon 2 teaspoon/day. It has 2 times more proanthocyanidins (i.e. polymers of catechin flavAnols) than grape seeds, and these worked very well on NSCLC. Oral 400 mg/kg mouse (4 g per 70 kg human) weak extract for 30 days given 10 days after melanoma inoculation gave 50% reduction compared to controls. Also tested in extensively in liver and 1 study in colon.

fish oil 6% or 8% by weight of diet caused 50% reduction in adenocarcinoma, improved NSCLC chemo. Another study: "fish oil supplementation [10% => about 50g/day per 70 kg person] was able to decrease lung tumor [in mice] prevalence by 78% and 80%". This is well-studied. There is Coromega who supplies it in 2,000 mg citrus squeeze packets that tastes good so that 60 pills are not needed.

methylselenocysteine 3,200 mcg, 16 per day, 60 per day to being with. 70% smaller prostate tumors in mice. In test tube only for lung cancer, but bioavailability seems reliable. Potentially toxic at these levels, fingernails and hair. Likely to work differently than plant compounds therefore better chance of being additive effect. If there is one pill in the list to skip, this is probably it.

Vitamin D, 1 per day 5,000 IU to be sure to get proper amount. ( 25 micrograms per 1,000 IU).

Vitamin B50 complex 1 per Same reason as for vitamin D.

Vitamin C 1,000 mg 2 to 4 times per day. Same reason as above.

Zinc causes nausea even at low dose, so it's not included.

Vitamin E 1.6g (1,600 IU)

[it's possibly already in the recommended fish oil for preservation]

Negative studies have come out on this, but 100 mg/kg mice (1 g per 70 kg person) had 60% less lung cancer when treatment started 4 months after cessation of smoke exposure. Quercetin had no effect. 450 mice, 2008 study. Evidence is weak for this one due to this one study, but the pill load and cost is small. Needs more study before listing.

Caffeine 0.600 g (4 strong cups coffee)

0.044% in water seemed to have a 50% effect in tumorigenesis and post-tumor metastasis and mice weighed 10% from less body fat. 0.02% in drinking water had no effect in another study that observed green tea benefits. 0.02% in water in another study had no effect.

Silibinin (from milk thistle) 0.3% in diet in mice caused 36% and 50% reduction in tumor multiplicity and adenocarcinoma. 2nd study, 1% diet caused 50% reduction in medium tumors, and 37% reduction in large tumors. 3rd study, 0.1% diet had no effect in lung cancer. 1% would be 5 to 10 g/d. Additive effect with I3C in study. Does not appear to be easy to find.

Deguelin at 0.07 g per 500g diet reduces lung cancer load by 80%. Many cancers studied. Very powerful, low toxicity, but not apparently available. LD50 in humans 10g to 100g per day. Rapidly decomposes in light and air. Tephrosin & rotenone are co-existing rotenoids are very toxic (parkinsons) LD50 at only 30 mg/70kg.

Broccoli Extract 1 pill is supposed to be 100g of broccoli tops, but extracts contain only 2 mg sulforaphane and similar compounds at 5 mg. The tests in mice were with 100 mg to 500 mg equivalents. 50 pills seems unreasonable, although 5 kg of broccoli tops is not much more tolerable. Sulforaphane, phenethyl isothiocyanate, and Benzyl-isothiocyanate (0.1 to 0.3 g per 500g) as other cruciferous vegetables and are studied extensively in prevention and moderately in reduction of smokers' lung cancer. Also lung metastasis from breast cancer. Has some flavonoids, but this does not appear to be the main benefit.

Citrus peel and seeds In keeping with the evidence above, similar effects are seen with various citrus compounds, but there are no standardized extracts. 5 g/d of the "Citrus Bioflavonoid Complex" would be good, but this may not be better than simply eating 1 peel per day. The peel and seeds without much of the pulp of just one or two dark oranges, grapefruit, and/or tangerine are probably best. One peel 3 times a day would be best. These are Flavanones that do not overlap with the other flavonoids listed here.

coconut oil to avoid carbs and increase energy, but not at the expense of fish oils and olive oil.

Vitamin C I.V. in pancreatic cancer mouse model kept tumors 3 times smaller, but survival was not increased. Similar results in other studies in mice. Good alternative to radiation and chemo treatments that are being used merely to reduce the size of the tumors and therefore pain but not extend lifespan. Oncologists call this "response" to the treatment, so remember "response" does not mean an increase in lifespan. Same with Vitamin C I.V. The goal is pain reduction without chemo and radiation.

Ginsenoside Rg3 from Ginseng. This is not yet available to the consumer. Ginseng extracts may help since people taking ginseng life-long have much less cancer, but there is not enough reason to believe relatively therapeutic doses can be achieved with current preparations. 0.3g/kg mice (2 g per 70kg person) of lipid soluble ginseng extract stopped 60% lung cancer in mice. 0.1 g/kg had 1/3 the effect and 0.6 g/kg had no extra effect. Another special oral extract 30 times less (0.01 g/kg) showed 50% reduction in lung cancer. A 3rd special extract of 99% ginsenoside Rg3 showed 65% less tumor volume. Another study in 3 colon cancers indicate injections of 50 mg/kg mice (0.3 g per 70kg person) of the extract from the berry of american ginseng had 65% smaller tumors and 100% survival. 20 mg/kg injections had very little effect (as with most of these, dose is everything). Ginsenoside Rg3 was the largest component of the American Berry but not root and root had no effect. The berries had to be steamed to get the Rg3 out and un-steamed had none of it and had almost no effect.

Genistein, Soy Phytochemical Concentrate 0.5% in diet (2.5 to 5 g/d) containing genistein reduced bladder metastasis to lung by 95% whereas only 70% for genistein by itself (0.2% diet, 1 to 2 g/d), so other compounds had effect. Both kept initial tumor sizes to 50% of controls. Genistein also effective in breast cancer even after inoculation at only 0.02% diet. This might be a problem because it usually contains daidzein isoflavone which made tumors significantly worse in one of the above studies. These isoflavones do not overlap with the other flavonids. I need to research this one more.

I3C (from broccoli) 1% in diet (30 pills) has large benefit in small cell lung cancer but 0.5% had little effect. Another study showed 70% prevention at 1.8%. Another study used only 0.15% diet in mice to prevent 43% and 83% reduction in tumor multiplicity and adenocarcinoma. This seems to have stronger evidence than many, especially for prevention of smoker's lung cancer, but it may have a strong effect on estrogen.

GLA 12 g/day, 40 pills, maybe no more effective than fish oil. Only a couple of mice studies.

Beta-sitosterol for prostate and breast cancers. 1% in diet used. Only 2 or 3 mice studies. IP6 had 50% reduction in prostate tumor weight at 1% to 2% in drinking water in two studies and 5 fold decrease in skin cancer at 2% when started before inoculation. Has to be in pure form in drinking water, not bound to proteins. The max possibly needed of 20g per day would be $5 a day in powder form. Only 2 or 3 mice studies.

Others being studied but not available: triterpenes lupeol and betulinic acid, ginkolide B. from ginko, luteolin (broccoli-like plants)

Capers as a good food choice: are the best source of have quercetin and kaempferol (flavonols) with 300 mg/100g. They have been shown independently to have an effect on cancer, but I have not yet researched it well. These are also in green tea. Too much quercetin by itself (pills) may cause depression.

Converting doses from mice to human. 1% in diet and 1% in water for mice is 5 to 10 grams per day for a 2000 calorie person. Converting doses between animals is accurately based on comparing calories consumed because the ultimate goal is to get the same ratio of all compounds ingested. Larger animals use fewer calories per body weight, so they use fewer nutrients per body weight because the turnover in nutrients is slower. For example, the ratios of "RDAs" in mice (and other mammals) to calories consumed is close to the ratios in humans. Mice food is standardized to 4.7 gross kcal/gram, but their ability to digest is about 8% less (4.3 gross kcal/g), so 1% in their diet is 2000/4.3 = 4.7 grams per 2000 calories. Under the right conditions mice can consume twice as much food and water as normal, but this does not necessarily change the needed dose per calorie to fight cancer. Cancer and other cells generally grow faster with higher calorie ingestion so that higher doses of a cancer-fighting nutrient from eating more might be used to offset the faster-growing cancer. But higher calorie ingestion from exercise prevents the extra energy from being wasted on normal and cancerous cells, so it's possible to get a higher dose of nutrients without advancing cancer. So if high-activity mice are compared to sedentary humans, using the percent of a nutrient in diet per calorie might lead to underestimating what humans need. And vice versa. Many sources indicate mice drink about 1 mL for every 1 g of food, which was also stated as an assumption in two research papers. A paper on caffeine and green tea explicitly mentioned 2.5 ml water and 2.5 g water per day were measured in the non-caffeine group. So 1% in drinking water is also 4.7 grams per 2000 calories. The maintenance food intake for a lab mouse is supposed to be 2.3 g/d according to one authoritative source, but 3 g/d is commonly quoted. Using the 2.5 g/d stated in one paper, the FDA's km values for a 20 g mouse with 8% wasted food intake gives 6.5 g/d conversion for a 70 kg person. The km values were designed to be an underestimate of the dose per calorie conversion for toxicity safety reasons and are based simply on assuming surface area determines heat loss and therefore calorie intake. But in the case of comparing humans and mice it appears to be an overestimate. The 4.7 g dose per 2000 calories is supposed to be a gold standard. This assumption can be checked by comparing RDAs per calorie in humans and mice: about 1/3 of the human RDAs are 1.8 to 3 times as much per calorie, 1/3 are about the same, and 1/3 are half as much. So if RDAs are representative of other nutrients and if the RDA data for both species is accurate, using twice the dose per calorie for humans covers most of them while providing 4 times more than needed for some of them. This would be 9.4 g per 2000 calories per 1% in mouse diet or water. Rats who weigh 15 times more than mice have much less variation when compared to humans, and the average of the ratio of RDAs to calories consumed remains the same. So when converting 1% nutrient in food and water for mice to humans, 5 g and 10 g per 2000 calories seem to be "possibly adequate" and "probably adequate". For example, one study on caffeine indicates that either mice are very sensitive to caffeine or that the 5 g per 2000 calories equivalent to 1% in drinking water is to low: they drank 40% more water and at 0.02% that gives a dose equivalent of only 300 mg/d in humans which is only 2 or 3 cups of coffee. The mice had 10% lower body weight and 50% fewer tumors. If this effect occurs in humans, it would have to be closer to 600 mg/d, giving support for 10 g/d instead of 5 g/d. If the higher dose is correct, people in clinical trials that are based on mouse data are getting half the dose needed and this would result in twice as many cancers compared to mice, all else being equal.

Links

berberine, 8 pills/day, 1 bottle/month, $2/day

http://www.iherb.com...lets/20873?at=0

fish oil, at least 60 ml/day, 6/month, $4.5/day

http://www.iherb.com...00-ml/2796?at=0

pomegranate, 4 pills/day, 4 bottles/month, $2/day

http://www.iherb.com...-Caps/7453?at=0

green tea extract, 12 pills/day, 2 bottles/month, $1/day

http://www.iherb.com...caps/11598?at=0

grape seed extract, 12 pills/day, 4 bottles/month, $2/day

http://www.iherb.com...Vcaps/7240?at=0

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Posted 01 August 2011 - 09:14 AM

When you take too many supplements/herbs/drugs,
there are bound to be problems with absorption,
with many beneficial ones being little absorbed
compared to the case if they had been taken alone.

There are also likely to be interaction problems, with
some of the components negating or neutralizing the
benefits of the others.

Effectively, a case of "too many cooks".

I think it is better to stick to no more than two or three.

Stop the rest, and just try Scutellaria baicalensis and
Energy Kampo for three months.

Scutellaria baicalensis, also called Chinese or Baikal
scullcap, has been used as a cancer fighter in traditional
Chinese medicine for thousands of years.

Shi Quan Da Bu Wan is an 800-year old classical Chinese
herbal formula, copied by the Japanese as Juzen taiho-to.

Otherwise, as I had mentioned much earlier, he could also
see a traditonal Chinese medical physician and try a course
of his herbs. There are bound to be quite a number of
practitioners in his area.

http://www.actcm.edu...i_directory.php

http://www.aaaomonline.org/search/

http://www.americanc...r Treatment.htm


http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC1661669/
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Posted 01 August 2011 - 08:23 PM

Chinese proprietary herbal cancer formulas.

http://www.agelesshe...cerSupport.html

http://www.findheale...ucts/CH012.php3



Isatis tinctoria (Dyer's woad), one of the eight herbs
of PC-SPES, and its active component, indirubin.

http://www.pacherbs.com/archives/5930

http://www.news-medi...ioblastoma.aspx

http://www.mskcc.org.../html/69262.cfm

http://oneearthherbs...-tinctoria.html


The Ohio State University study.

http://cancerres.aac...0-3026.abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=21697283


http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=20169620

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=15993584

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 09:03 PM

Another common Chinese herb with a strong
anticancer reputation is Oldenlandia diffusa,
synonymous with Hedyotis diffusa.

The Chinese name is 白花蛇舌草, which literally
means "white flower snake tongue grass" or
"snake needle grass", due to its other use as
a snake bite remedy. You can find it growing as
a weed in household gardens.

http://alternativehe...she_she_cao.htm

http://www.mskcc.org...html/100827.cfm

http://www.idosi.org/gjp/3(2)09/9.pdf


In Malaysia, you can commonly find the above herb
combined in capsules with either Scutellaria baicalensis
or Scutellaria barbata, sold in Chinese herbal stores
as a cancer treatment.

Chinese names :

Scutellaria baicalensis - 黃芩 (Huang Qin)

Scutellaria barbata - 半枝蓮 (Ban Zhi Lan)

http://alternativehe...g/huang_qin.htm

http://alternativehe...an_zhi_lian.htm


http://www.itmonline...oldenlandia.htm

http://www.mskcc.org.../html/69367.cfm

http://www.mskcc.org.../html/69366.cfm

http://www.chinese-h...rg/scutellaria/


One of the employees in an associated office
branch in another town, who has malignant fibrous
histiocytoma, has been taking these capsules.



http://www.idosi.org/gjp/3(2)09/9.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=15273074

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=15273074


http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=10851520
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#8 1kgcoffee

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Posted 20 December 2011 - 08:33 PM

That's terrible, missminni, I'm so sorry.

Check out my thread:
http://www.longecity...__fromsearch__1

Right now I have my grandma on
-tocotrienols (AC grace, ~150mg)
-AHCC (3 grams)
-Serrapeptase (helps dissolve clots and the protective outer casing of cancerous cells)
-vitamin D
-olive leaf extract (18% oleapurin) - also contains apigenin, which is similar to resveratrol and luteolin
-limonene
-LEF curcumin
-dandelion root extract (very high in cancer fighting glycosides, luteolin, etc)
-soon she will be drinking creosote bush tea, which contains similar compounds to resveratrol and limonene

I want to give her EGCG, pycnogenol, resveratrol and more tocotrienols but can't due to blood thinning concerns.

If I were you I would take as much AHCC as I could afford, beta glucans as a complement, as much dandelion, curcumin and olive leaf extract as I could stomach, many many many flavonoids, such as cinnamon and pycnogenol. Around ~1gram EGCG a day. I would also add a very strong decoction of cat's claw and creosote bush throughout the day. I think Scutellaria is definitely worth looking into. I would also suggest high fat, low-medium protein ketogenic diet.

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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:51 PM

Knowing that cancer cells prefer glucose for energy, many Longecity forum participants have suggested a ketogenic or very lo-carb diet (in addition to other treatments)in order to battle cancer. Here is some more evidence that it is probably a beneficial tactic: http://www.scienceda...20626131854.htm

"Most strikingly, our discovery that glucose withdrawal causes both cell death and increased tyrosine phosphorylation is intriguing because increased tyrosine kinase signaling is normally associated with cell growth

," said Nicholas A. Graham, a senior postdoctoral scholar in Graeber's lab who helped design the project.


To explain the seemingly contradictory result that glucose deprivation reduced viability and at the same time increased signaling, the authors used an unbiased systems-biology approach that included phospho-tyrosine mass spectrometry and other biochemical profiling techniques.


Assessing the "crosstalk" between metabolism and signaling, they discovered that the glucose deprivation activates a positive feedback loop whereby the withdrawal of glucose induces increased levels of reactive oxygen species, which in turn inhibit negative regulators of tyrosine signaling. The resulting supra-physiological levels of tyrosine phosphorylation then generate additional reactive oxygen species.


"Because cancer cells live on the edge of what is metabolically feasible, this amplifying cycle of oxidative stress ultimately overwhelms and kills the cancer cell,



#10 Shannon Vyff

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 04:31 AM

A woman fighting a GBM brain tumor listed the supplements she is using in this thread: http://www.longecity...t-charity-fund/

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Posted 02 September 2012 - 08:22 AM

What about liposomal vitamin C and other lipsomal nutrients, like CoQ10 and glutathione?
Liposomes deliver vitamin C intracellularly better than IV.

There is a well-documented case of a man with leukemia having no cancer after taking liposomal vitamin C. You can read my article on it here - http://www.michaelmo...CureCancer.html

As well, I have a friend who has breast cancer, tumor size 6. She started 6 grams of LivOn Liposomal Vitamin C in March and the tumor has consistently been shrinking - the tumor was 3.5 when we spoke two weeks ago.




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