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[Raptor87]

Im thinking of buying collagen- supplements. Do they improve skin quality at all?

[Klyde Chroma]

Im thinking of buying collagen- supplements. Do they improve skin quality at all?

I couldn't say for certain whether or not they improve the "quality" of your skin per se'..... However I can share with you promising personal experience.... I read extensively on collagen protein when I started to hear about its "skin-benefitting-properties" out of the interest of whether or not a high-collagen intake sustained short term could improve epidermal healing..... I work as a tattoo artist and thus the experiment when as such.... for one month I did multiple tattoos on myself and healed them without changing a thing..... Then the following month I did more tattoo work elsewhere on my body and for the 45 days that followed I consumed between 60-100 g. of collagen protein daily ( I was literally sprinkling the powder stuff on everything... hahahaha)... The results were quite astonishing to me... Not only did the tattoos heal faster while consuming the collagen, but my skin itself proved easier to work on (did not become damaged as quickly, nor did I bleed as much)....

So in conclusion I suppose I would have to say that collagen most certain does exhibbit an effect on the epidermis but whether or not it is an improving of the skins-quality or simply an improving of its regenerative capabilities remains to be confirmed in my book...... Also interestingly enough, as an aside, I didn't have one pimple during the "collagen consumption phase" and to this day hop back on the collagen wagon when I get tattoo work done.... I was so astounded I even make the suggestion to my clients if they are getting extensive work done and they too have reported back with similar results.

[firespin]

I read somewhere that collagen supplements are destroyed during digestion before it enters the blood, so they wouldn’t help your skin. You would have better results by taking enough vitamin c, and may be light skin peels.

Edited by firespin, 15 July 2011 - 07:35 PM.

[niner]

I read somewhere that collagen supplements are destroyed during digestion before it enters the blood, so they wouldn’t help your skin. You would have better results by taking enough vitamin c, and may be light skin peels.

It's probably mostly digested into individual amino acids as you've heard, but this doesn't destroy them. Collagen is a very unusual protein with an unusual mix of amino acids. Eating collagen or hydrolyzed collagen does ensure that you get the right amino acids you need to build new collagen, and that you get them in the right proportion. You would need to eat a LOT of ordinary protein to get the same amino acids, but you would get them with a lot of others that you didn't need.

[Raptor87]

Thanks guys for the awesome replies! What do you say about this brand?

http://www.1234yourh...h.com/index.php

And does it really replace glucosamine and chondriotine?

Would be great to heal at least some tissue- damage and also my joints plus skin.

Question is if its worth the buck!?

[niner]

Thanks guys for the awesome replies! What do you say about this brand?

http://www.1234yourh...h.com/index.php

And does it really replace glucosamine and chondriotine?

Would be great to heal at least some tissue- damage and also my joints plus skin.

Question is if its worth the buck!?

It's a ripoff. It appears to be nothing more than gelatin, which is hydrolyzed collagen. Gelatin is a fine thing to take, and you'll probably notice good effects from it, but just buy labeled as gelatin rather than some scam product that they dress up with fancy language and market to elderly people.

This selection from iherb will at least give you an idea of what is a reasonable price.

[TheFountain]

What's wrong with biosil? Also there was a discussion some time back about the effect of certain amino acids in the chain of collagen production. Most notable l-ornithine, according to one study.

[Raptor87]

What's wrong with biosil? Also there was a discussion some time back about the effect of certain amino acids in the chain of collagen production. Most notable l-ornithine, according to one study.

Isn't that the stuff you inject in cattle?

[Raptor87]

Thanks guys for the awesome replies! What do you say about this brand?

http://www.1234yourh...h.com/index.php

And does it really replace glucosamine and chondriotine?

Would be great to heal at least some tissue- damage and also my joints plus skin.

Question is if its worth the buck!?

It's a ripoff. It appears to be nothing more than gelatin, which is hydrolyzed collagen. Gelatin is a fine thing to take, and you'll probably notice good effects from it, but just buy labeled as gelatin rather than some scam product that they dress up with fancy language and market to elderly people.

This selection from iherb will at least give you an idea of what is a reasonable price.

Shit! Thanks man! I can get a kilo for the price of one bottle! I can buy it from a damn foodstore, hahaha!

How much do you recommend for a daily dosage?

[rwac]

How much do you recommend for a daily dosage?

A few tablespoons a day seems reasonable. You'll want to mix it with sugar and water to dissolve it. then either heat it up or add hot water.

[Stefanovic]

I've been using neocell for almost two months and must say that my skin feels extremely soft and moisturized.

[redrice]

It's probably mostly digested into individual amino acids as you've heard, but this doesn't destroy them. Collagen is a very unusual protein with an unusual mix of amino acids. Eating collagen or hydrolyzed collagen does ensure that you get the right amino acids you need to build new collagen, and that you get them in the right proportion. You would need to eat a LOT of ordinary protein to get the same amino acids, but you would get them with a lot of others that you didn't need.

Here is an interesting looking version, which seems to come with clinical support for a cartilage-growth-stimulating effect:
http://gelita-health-initiative.de/173
It is available in the UK as Flexeze Fortify:
http://flexeze.co.uk...ze-fortify.html

As a newbie, and as someone whose knees seem to be immune to the benefits of glucosamine/chondritin, I'd be interested to know what people here think of this. Do the studies referenced on these websites really show what they claim to show?

[redrice]

Further on Fortigel: it appears the EU are not impressed by the evidence for its claims...

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[Stefanovic]

what's the main difference between the products mentioned and neocell?

[Raptor87]

How about cissus, is it dangerous?

[Raptor87]

What's wrong with biosil? Also there was a discussion some time back about the effect of certain amino acids in the chain of collagen production. Most notable l-ornithine, according to one study.

Isn't that the stuff you inject in cattle?

O you meant silicic acid/orthosilicic acid!
http://www.supersmar...icic-Acid--0464

Another one related is silicon but they say it depletes thiamine in the body!
http://www.amazinghe...silica-plus.htm

Also http://en.wikipedia....i/Galactolipid' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>Galactolipids are said to improve joints.
http://www.rosehipvital.com.au/product

Then there is the ol´ glucosamine/MSM/Chondroitin that is said to improve joint quality.

Too bad the stack would be so expensive.

Still Im wondering about cissus?

http://forum.bodybui...p/t-754122.html
http://anabolicminds...-dangerous.html
http://www.cissusrx....what-to-expect/

Edited by Brainfogged, 05 August 2011 - 02:49 AM.

[Raptor87]

Another treatment for joint- repair.

http://www.isteroids...ds/Adequan.html

And if you are truly desperate.
http://www.mesomorph.../rea/030903.htm

And if you google nandrolone joints you will find that it gives great temporary relief.
http://forums.istero...joint-pain.html

[Raptor87]

Another hormone that is said to heal joints is called GHRP-6. Dont know if its true though! Also PRP injections are getting more and more popular both for healing and collagen production, some say its the future!

What´s this about abnormal collagen?
http://www.tendinosis.org/current.html

I thought that collagen boosting nutrients....(Vitamins: C, E, B-2, B-6, B12). (Amino acids: proline, glycine, arginine). All boosted collagen production.

But if it builds up abnormal collagen, what does it mean?