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[hav]

Bill Andrews takes Product B and TA-65 at the same time. He addressed the question of dietary supplements inhibiting telomerase in a public June 2011 interview. The common supplements that inhibit telomerase in cancer cell lines do NOT do so in the Sierra Sciences screen.

You can find the transcript and audio of that interview here:
http://100isnew50.com/?sta1
(You must enter a name and email to view it.)

I will quote directly from the transcript:

Q: "Hi Bill, are there any supplements that you recommend not taking because you've discovered that they actually reduce telomerase expression in your lab screens?"

A: "There are none that I know of that aren't safe. Of course you don't want to take gasoline or something like that. There's been a few publications suggesting that there are supplements that can interfere with telomerase activity. We have checked every one of them in our labs here, and we have not been able to find that any of them have any significant effect on telomerase activity."

Thanks, Louis. I think that's consistent with what some here have surmised based on the dosages and settings of studies that have found to the contrary. But I think I'm going to wait changing my practice until some more formal studies which back this up get published in a way sufficient for others to independently scrutinize the methods and verify the results.

Howard

[Louis]

Bill Andrews takes Product B and TA-65 at the same time. He addressed the question of dietary supplements inhibiting telomerase in a public June 2011 interview. The common supplements that inhibit telomerase in cancer cell lines do NOT do so in the Sierra Sciences screen.

You can find the transcript and audio of that interview here:
http://100isnew50.com/?sta1
(You must enter a name and email to view it.)

I will quote directly from the transcript:

Q: "Hi Bill, are there any supplements that you recommend not taking because you've discovered that they actually reduce telomerase expression in your lab screens?"

A: "There are none that I know of that aren't safe. Of course you don't want to take gasoline or something like that. There's been a few publications suggesting that there are supplements that can interfere with telomerase activity. We have checked every one of them in our labs here, and we have not been able to find that any of them have any significant effect on telomerase activity."

Thanks, Louis. I think that's consistent with what some here have surmised based on the dosages and settings of studies that have found to the contrary. But I think I'm going to wait changing my practice until some more formal studies which back this up get published in a way sufficient for others to independently scrutinize the methods and verify the results.

Howard

Sounds reasonable. Until there's actual published data, it's ultimately up to everyone to make an informed decision based on all the availbale datapoints and then decide how to best proceed on their own.

I think the important thing is to make sure we get as many quality datapoints as possible. I think Bill's comments during this interview qualify as a very good datapoint -- but how to weight that datapoint is very much an individual decision.

Edited by Louis, 31 December 2011 - 02:05 AM.

[niner]

I take your response as either ignorant or trying to be funny. These colons were from live patients (histology and pathology often utilize the same labs). Deer are likely not exposed to the same types of unnatural preservatives, stabilizers and what-not as much of humankind.

The colons were from live patients, but they were no longer attached to those live patients. They also weren't healthy, and may have been using opiates or other drugs that cause constipation or god knows what. I think hebbeh was just trying to say that pathology samples aren't a good proxy for healthy intact colons. The person to ask about this would be a gastroenterologist who spends hours every week doing colonoscopies. I'm pretty sure that the laxative protocol leaves you with a clean colon. There are people out there making absolutely preposterous statements like "the average American has 14 pounds of rotting food in their colon" (I swear I actually heard that somewhere), so I think we have some mythology to overcome.

[Moonlitnight]

Thanks Niner. Yes, it is very true that they were not attached to their owners, nor were they healthy when they had been. I've seen the "Average American....rotting food" stories, and the images of 20-foot long pieces of twisted something-or-the-other that purportedly made an appearance after taking the colon cleanse product being advertised. I'm not sure whether the natural product companies or the pharmaceutical companies are the worse liars. You have to question every statement and be your own advocate for sure.

[niner]

I'm not sure whether the natural product companies or the pharmaceutical companies are the worse liars.

You know, that is a really interesting question. They lie differently. Both are driven by the profit motive. The pharmaceutical industry is a lot more regulated, and the FDA won't let them "lie", at least by the FDA's definition. Often they will push drugs of dubious value, if not outright danger, and there is a mammoth medical industry that are de facto collaborators. The supplement industry is almost entirely unregulated, and some elements of it say things that are beyond wrong. The MLM sector is the worst, because they have thousands of individual actors who don't have much at stake and stand to profit more if they lie more effectively. It's just a swamp of hype and misinformation, though there are bright spots; responsible manufacturers and vendors do exist, and there's a growing health blogger movement that has some really good people in it who comment on and support the use of supplements. They aren't part of the industry, but they help to clean it up.

[Product-B-User]

This thread is about Product B, not cleansing (i was asked to open up a new cleanse thread when I mentioned a few ingredients that cleanse the body), but I just want to give a little input since you guys are talking about "colon cleanses" and whether or not it's necessary. I don't think it would hurt to keep junk out of the colon, and I do believe Anisor who is eyewitness to junk on the colon walls. However, specific organ cleanses are not the most important nor the most effective. The body now a days is bombarded with toxicity and the liver needs some extra help. Eating organic helps, but it's kind of hard to avoid all the steroids and hormones in meats, pesticides in veggies. The body needs a "cellular" cleansing more than anything. Someone asked if there was any evidence of toxic build up in the body, being that the liver should cleanse the body just fine.

http://cnn.com/video...c.womb.cnn.html

CNN did a whole month segment "Toxicity in America" where they tested people for toxicity (including Anderson Cooper who was toxic) and you can find many videos about it, mostly with Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

[Hebbeh]

This thread is about Product B, not cleansing (i was asked to open up a new cleanse thread when I mentioned a few ingredients that cleanse the body), but I just want to give a little input since you guys are talking about "colon cleanses" and whether or not it's necessary. I don't think it would hurt to keep junk out of the colon, and I do believe Anisor who is eyewitness to junk on the colon walls. However, specific organ cleanses are not the most important nor the most effective. The body now a days is bombarded with toxicity and the liver needs some extra help. Eating organic helps, but it's kind of hard to avoid all the steroids and hormones in meats, pesticides in veggies. The body needs a "cellular" cleansing more than anything. Someone asked if there was any evidence of toxic build up in the body, being that the liver should cleanse the body just fine.

http://cnn.com/video...c.womb.cnn.html

CNN did a whole month segment "Toxicity in America" where they tested people for toxicity (including Anderson Cooper who was toxic) and you can find many videos about it, mostly with Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

A good salesman never misses the opportunity to go for the kill and close the deal...so how many pounds of "junk" should we expect is stuck in our colon? (shakes head)

[Product-B-User]

I'm not sure whether the natural product companies or the pharmaceutical companies are the worse liars.

You know, that is a really interesting question. They lie differently. Both are driven by the profit motive. The pharmaceutical industry is a lot more regulated, and the FDA won't let them "lie", at least by the FDA's definition. Often they will push drugs of dubious value, if not outright danger, and there is a mammoth medical industry that are de facto collaborators. The supplement industry is almost entirely unregulated, and some elements of it say things that are beyond wrong. The MLM sector is the worst, because they have thousands of individual actors who don't have much at stake and stand to profit more if they lie more effectively. It's just a swamp of hype and misinformation, though there are bright spots; responsible manufacturers and vendors do exist, and there's a growing health blogger movement that has some really good people in it who comment on and support the use of supplements. They aren't part of the industry, but they help to clean it up.

This was a very balanced analysis, and you are spot on with this statement: "The MLM sector is the worst, because they have thousands of individual actors who don't have much at stake and stand to profit more if they lie more effectively".

It's terrible associates of MLM companies that give it a bad name and ruin it for the rest of us. However, the FEC has regulated, as well as the FDA, these businesses sufficiently. Each company, if they are wellness related, are required to make their associates fill "compliance forms" in order to join the company. My company has very strict terms and conditions regarding claims. I can't even state a specific amount of weight loss in a specific amount of time. I had to put my health, SuperiorCleansing, to compliance and had to go through a whole process of getting it approved.

Everytime I do a presentation I have to say "these products have not been diagnosed by the FDA to treat, prevent or cure disease"

"The supplement industry is almost entirely unregulated"

This year FDA sent Federal Marshals to the largest producer of Elder Berry Juice to seize all their product: http://www.naturalne...e_FDA_raid.html

I understand the stigma the MLM industry has, mainly because of past methods used by associates and a lack of regulations, but things are MUCH smoother now.

By the way, the FDA sent them a letter warning to change their label, so they did, and without further warning the Federal Marshals showed up. I'd say that is a little over-regulated.

I appreciate your thoughts that all MLMers are not created equal. We have our own set of regulations with Product B as well, such as not being able to say, yet, that it induces Telomerase among other things compliance rules you can find at stayoung.info

[Product-B-User]

This thread is about Product B, not cleansing (i was asked to open up a new cleanse thread when I mentioned a few ingredients that cleanse the body), but I just want to give a little input since you guys are talking about "colon cleanses" and whether or not it's necessary. I don't think it would hurt to keep junk out of the colon, and I do believe Anisor who is eyewitness to junk on the colon walls. However, specific organ cleanses are not the most important nor the most effective. The body now a days is bombarded with toxicity and the liver needs some extra help. Eating organic helps, but it's kind of hard to avoid all the steroids and hormones in meats, pesticides in veggies. The body needs a "cellular" cleansing more than anything. Someone asked if there was any evidence of toxic build up in the body, being that the liver should cleanse the body just fine.

http://cnn.com/video...c.womb.cnn.html

CNN did a whole month segment "Toxicity in America" where they tested people for toxicity (including Anderson Cooper who was toxic) and you can find many videos about it, mostly with Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

A good salesman never misses the opportunity to go for the kill and close the deal...so how many pounds of "junk" should we expect is stuck in our colon? (shakes head)

I guess I'm failing to understand what you mean about sales and closing deals and such. And how would I know how much junk is in your colon?! All this colon junk or "poop" stuff is nauseating. If you watched the CNN video you'll see it's not even the colon their pointing at with toxicity.

[Hebbeh]

This thread is about Product B, not cleansing (i was asked to open up a new cleanse thread when I mentioned a few ingredients that cleanse the body), but I just want to give a little input since you guys are talking about "colon cleanses" and whether or not it's necessary. I don't think it would hurt to keep junk out of the colon, and I do believe Anisor who is eyewitness to junk on the colon walls. However, specific organ cleanses are not the most important nor the most effective. The body now a days is bombarded with toxicity and the liver needs some extra help. Eating organic helps, but it's kind of hard to avoid all the steroids and hormones in meats, pesticides in veggies. The body needs a "cellular" cleansing more than anything. Someone asked if there was any evidence of toxic build up in the body, being that the liver should cleanse the body just fine.

http://cnn.com/video...c.womb.cnn.html

CNN did a whole month segment "Toxicity in America" where they tested people for toxicity (including Anderson Cooper who was toxic) and you can find many videos about it, mostly with Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

A good salesman never misses the opportunity to go for the kill and close the deal...so how many pounds of "junk" should we expect is stuck in our colon? (shakes head)

I guess I'm failing to understand what you mean about sales and closing deals and such. And how would I know how much junk is in your colon?! All this colon junk or "poop" stuff is nauseating. If you watched the CNN video you'll see it's not even the colon their pointing at with toxicity.

What's nauseating is your continual sales pitches on dubious MLM products.

[Product-B-User]

This thread is about Product B, not cleansing (i was asked to open up a new cleanse thread when I mentioned a few ingredients that cleanse the body), but I just want to give a little input since you guys are talking about "colon cleanses" and whether or not it's necessary. I don't think it would hurt to keep junk out of the colon, and I do believe Anisor who is eyewitness to junk on the colon walls. However, specific organ cleanses are not the most important nor the most effective. The body now a days is bombarded with toxicity and the liver needs some extra help. Eating organic helps, but it's kind of hard to avoid all the steroids and hormones in meats, pesticides in veggies. The body needs a "cellular" cleansing more than anything. Someone asked if there was any evidence of toxic build up in the body, being that the liver should cleanse the body just fine.

http://cnn.com/video...c.womb.cnn.html

CNN did a whole month segment "Toxicity in America" where they tested people for toxicity (including Anderson Cooper who was toxic) and you can find many videos about it, mostly with Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

A good salesman never misses the opportunity to go for the kill and close the deal...so how many pounds of "junk" should we expect is stuck in our colon? (shakes head)

I guess I'm failing to understand what you mean about sales and closing deals and such. And how would I know how much junk is in your colon?! All this colon junk or "poop" stuff is nauseating. If you watched the CNN video you'll see it's not even the colon their pointing at with toxicity.

What's nauseating is your continual sales pitches on dubious MLM products.

Hm, nice try but no cigar. You and I are both on here discussing Product B (product =singular)

[niner]

This thread is about Product B, not cleansing (i was asked to open up a new cleanse thread when I mentioned a few ingredients that cleanse the body), but I just want to give a little input since you guys are talking about "colon cleanses" and whether or not it's necessary. I don't think it would hurt to keep junk out of the colon, and I do believe Anisor who is eyewitness to junk on the colon walls. However, specific organ cleanses are not the most important nor the most effective. The body now a days is bombarded with toxicity and the liver needs some extra help. Eating organic helps, but it's kind of hard to avoid all the steroids and hormones in meats, pesticides in veggies. The body needs a "cellular" cleansing more than anything. Someone asked if there was any evidence of toxic build up in the body, being that the liver should cleanse the body just fine.

http://cnn.com/video...c.womb.cnn.html

CNN did a whole month segment "Toxicity in America" where they tested people for toxicity (including Anderson Cooper who was toxic) and you can find many videos about it, mostly with Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

That isn't evidence of anything. It's a toxics paranoia video. One of the big problems here is that the limit of detection has gotten so low that you can find a little bit of everything in everything. That doesn't mean we are being "bombarded"; at levels like parts per trillion or parts per quadrillion, it just doesn't matter. Most of those "200 chemicals" have no effect on human health at the levels they're found at. Some of them do matter, and we should focus our energy on those. This video is mostly just a "be very afraid" video.

I question whether any of these dubious "cleanses" actually do anything useful anyway. I've seen no evidence of that, and I doubt any will be forthcoming, other than cheesy "testimonials" along the lines of "I drank this stuff and felt better right away. I'm positive it was the stuff, since I paid so much for it."

[Product-B-User]

I posted a study where they tested people's blood before and after cleansing. I really do appreciate your logical and scientific thinking, but there's a good chance you may be missing many benefits by being so close minded. By "close minded" I mean, not seeking to know if something is quality or not. Example: Instead of saying "I've seen no evidence (are you expecting evidence to pop up in front of your face without searching for it?) that....and I doubt there will be any forthcoming", you might say "is there any evidence", or "can you show me evidence", or "if there is evidence do you can you point me to it?"....something along those lines.

[niner]

I posted a study where they tested people's blood before and after cleansing. I really do appreciate your logical and scientific thinking, but there's a good chance you may be missing many benefits by being so close minded. By "close minded" I mean, not seeking to know if something is quality or not. Example: Instead of saying "I've seen no evidence (are you expecting evidence to pop up in front of your face without searching for it?) that....and I doubt there will be any forthcoming", you might say "is there any evidence", or "can you show me evidence", or "if there is evidence do you can you point me to it?"....something along those lines.

Where did you post this study, and what did they show by testing people's blood before and after "cleansing"? Did their blood get cleaner? Instead of (or in addition to) a charm school lecture, you could just post it.

[hav]

Here's an interesting study... not of cleansing products per se but one that links dietary fiber generally to telomere length in women:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20219960

Associations between diet, lifestyle factors, and telomere length in women.
Cassidy A, De Vivo I, Liu Y, Han J, Prescott J, Hunter DJ, Rimm EB.

Source
School of Medicine, University of East Anglia, Norwich, United Kingdom.

DESIGN:
Leukocyte telomere length was measured by quantitative polymerase chain reaction in 2284 female participants from the Nurses' Health Study, who were selected as controls for an investigation of biological predictors of cancer. Diet, lifestyle, and anthropometric data were assessed by questionnaire.

RESULTS:
After multivariate adjustment, dietary fiber intake was positively associated with telomere length (z score), specifically cereal fiber, with an increase of 0.19 units between the lowest and highest quintiles (P = 0.007, P for trend = 0.03). Although total fat intake was not associated with telomere length, polyunsaturated fatty acid intake (-0.26 units, quintile 5 compared with quintile 1: P = 0.002, P for trend = 0.02), specifically linoleic acid intake, was inversely associated with telomere length after multivariate adjustment (-0.32 units; P = 0.001, P for trend = 0.05). Waist circumference was inversely associated with telomere length [0.15-unit difference in z score in a comparison of the highest (> or = 32 in, 81.28 cm) with the lowest (< or = 28 in, 71.12 cm) category (P = 0.01, P for trend = 0.02) in the multivariate model]. We found no association between telomere length and smoking, physical activity, or postmenopausal hormone use.

CONCLUSION:
Although the strength of the associations was modest in this population of middle- and older-age women, our results support the hypothesis that body composition and dietary factors are related to leukocyte telomere length, which is a potential biomarker of chronic disease risk.

The study doesn't try to explain the reason for the the association, only that it was observed. Whatever the reason or mechanism, I supplement with bran and psyllium to raise my dietary fiber levels.

Howard

Edited by hav, 06 January 2012 - 04:34 PM.

[Hebbeh]

Here's an interesting study... not of cleansing products per se but one that links dietary fiber generally to telomere length in women:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20219960

Associations between diet, lifestyle factors, and telomere length in women.
Cassidy A, De Vivo I, Liu Y, Han J, Prescott J, Hunter DJ, Rimm EB.

Source
School of Medicine, University of East Anglia, Norwich, United Kingdom.

DESIGN:
Leukocyte telomere length was measured by quantitative polymerase chain reaction in 2284 female participants from the Nurses' Health Study, who were selected as controls for an investigation of biological predictors of cancer. Diet, lifestyle, and anthropometric data were assessed by questionnaire.

RESULTS:
After multivariate adjustment, dietary fiber intake was positively associated with telomere length (z score), specifically cereal fiber, with an increase of 0.19 units between the lowest and highest quintiles (P = 0.007, P for trend = 0.03). Although total fat intake was not associated with telomere length, polyunsaturated fatty acid intake (-0.26 units, quintile 5 compared with quintile 1: P = 0.002, P for trend = 0.02), specifically linoleic acid intake, was inversely associated with telomere length after multivariate adjustment (-0.32 units; P = 0.001, P for trend = 0.05). Waist circumference was inversely associated with telomere length [0.15-unit difference in z score in a comparison of the highest (> or = 32 in, 81.28 cm) with the lowest (< or = 28 in, 71.12 cm) category (P = 0.01, P for trend = 0.02) in the multivariate model]. We found no association between telomere length and smoking, physical activity, or postmenopausal hormone use.

CONCLUSION:
Although the strength of the associations was modest in this population of middle- and older-age women, our results support the hypothesis that body composition and dietary factors are related to leukocyte telomere length, which is a potential biomarker of chronic disease risk.

The study doesn't try to explain the reason for the the association, only that it was observed. Whatever the reason or mechanism, I supplement with bran and psyllium to raise my dietary fiber levels.

Howard

I know you are sold on your Metamucil and looking to find justification for chugging down extra fiber but fiber supplements are not dietary fiber and have none of the health benefits associated with dietary fiber. You will not find a single valid study showing health benefits of any kind from Metamucil or other supplemental sources of NON-dietary fiber....because they don't exist. All fiber studies that have shown any health benefits are when the fiber source is dietary fiber.....as in extra vegetables, fruit, and whole grains....and the results of those studies are more than likely due (actually are due) to the various nutritional phytonutrients in natural nutrient dense foods....which just happen to be the same foods high in fiber (surprise surprise). You are misguided to believe that you are going to get the same health benefits of eating nutrient dense high fiber foods (lots of natural veggies, fruits, and whole grains) by chugging down non-nutritional fiber supplements. As I said, every single study showing positive correlation of health benefits to fiber has been through the intake of whole nutrient dense foods that just so happen to be the same foods high in fiber...but it is simple correlation...not causation as far as fiber is concerned...and a no brainer...eat lots of veggies, fruits, and whole grains and be healthier than eating a diet rich in processed foods...who would of thunk? Anyway...Metamucil or non-nutritive bran is not going to substitute for the health benefits of nutrient dense whole foods...that just happen to be the same foods high in dietary fiber. I think you're misinterpreting the study for your own justification.

Edited by Hebbeh, 07 January 2012 - 04:01 PM.

[hav]

...
All fiber studies that have shown any health benefits are when the fiber source is dietary fiber.....as in extra vegetables, fruit, and whole grains....and the results of those studies are more than likely due (actually are due) to the various nutritional phytonutrients in natural nutrient dense foods....which just happen to be the same foods high in fiber (surprise surprise). You are misguided to believe that you are going to get the same health benefits of eating nutrient dense high fiber foods (lots of natural veggies, fruits, and whole grains) by chugging down non-nutritional fiber supplements. As I said, every single study showing positive correlation of health benefits to fiber has been through the intake of whole nutrient dense foods that just so happen to be the same foods high in fiber...but it is simple correlation...not causation as far as fiber is concerned...and a no brainer...eat lots of veggies, fruits, and whole grains and be healthier than eating a diet rich in processed foods...who would of thunk? Anyway...Metamucil or non-nutritive bran is not going to substitute for the health benefits of nutrient dense whole foods...that just happen to be the same foods high in dietary fiber. I think you're misinterpreting the study for your own justification.

You might be right about one thing. I've always felt better taking bran as a supplement and am very pleased that it might actually be good for me. But I think you may be off-base on the proposition that there are no studies showing beneficial results from use of bran as supplement. Pubmed looks like it might have hundreds dealing with rice bran... mostly done in Japan. And as expected, here's one done in the US Mid-West on wheat bran: http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/16682486 ... I only looked at the first 50 or so of about 300 studies on bran.

The telomere dietary study used a questionnaire, btw, but the article only seemed to gush over the statistical hit on cereal fiber specifically. But I just found a link to the full-text:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2854902/

And Table #1 with all the factors they looked at which, in addition to Cereal Fiber, also included Fiber generally, Whole Grains, Fruits and Vegetables, and many other things. But I'll have to leave it to you research guys to interpret and explain this table... its kind of over my head.

I don't have anything against whole foods or grains, btw. I just don't usually eat much cereal except in the winter when I stir my bran into hot oatmeal. I had to give up on hominy because it just doesn't taste right without a load of salt which I'm not supposed to have. During warmer seasons I tend to mix my bran into yogurt or cottage cheese. Although I've tried a few commercial fiber cleansing supplements, like Metamucil and various capsules, they don't give the same feeling and often cause gas. Also, Metamucil and its ilk are flavored and sweetened which doesn't appeal to me.

Howard

[debism63]

Hi Everyone,
I am new into the Telomerase Activation, I will like to start a regimen that is scientifically proven and I am all torned by these two activators, Product B and TA-65. I have also checked Dr Daves Best Telomere Age Pack. I follow "The Immortality Edge" book vitamins and supplements regimen. I took the telomeres test back in October 2011 and just found out that testing the short telomeres will start in the US in Florida some time this month January 2012, and I would like to get tested for the short telomeres before I start the best proven telomeres lengthener.

Can someone knowlegeable in this field please advice me?

Thanks

[AdamI]

Hi Debis,
TA-65 is the substain Cycloastragenol with some astragalosides IV. Soo if you would choose TA-65 you should buy these substances instead seperate. It's alot more cost effective. Also they should be taken 30-90 min before bed. Since the substance don't stay in the system that long and it's suppose to work the best during sleep... you know when the body repairs itself. It is suggested to take them with whole fat, fat milk or a snack such as nuts. Not omega-3.

[debism63]

Hi Adam,
Thanks for your prompt answer, I appreciated.
How or where can I get Cycloastragenol and Astragalosides IV?
How much should I take?

[AdamI]

There are ads on this page that sell it, crackaging.com and terraternal.com...
50-100mg Astragalosides has been the recommended on these sites. Although I think they might have taken the dosage recommendations away from the product pages.
With cycloastragenol I have senn from 10mg-50mg. One TA-65 capsule is said to contain 5mg of that and some small amount of astragaloside IV.
Recommended TA-65 dosage is 1-6 capsules. So othat would be 5-30mg.
Soo maybe not more than 30mg of cycloastragenol, but then some say the more one take the better results... soo guess the 50mg could do as well. Also the TA-65 capsule might contain 10mg then the 1-6 capsules would be similiar to the recommendations of Cycloastragenol on those pages that sell it.
Some complain of the sideeffect of loss of short term memory taking cycloastragenol, dunno if that is true. Might be because they take it during the day and not before bed. Although sideeffect disappear after stopping taking it...

[Anthony_Loera]

Hi Debism63,

My company is the one who tested TA-65 and found that it was mostly Cyclo, but a few things:

1- We also found it that it behaves differently than plain old 99% pure cyclo. It actually behaves like when you micronize the astragalus powder. I suspect TA-65 has been processed in a way that is more absorbable than plain cyclo.
2- If you simply want cyclo, please do a quick google search.

I do suggest to stay away from companies based in china. Should something happen, and the product is not what they claim (or worse you suffer an adverse effect) then it would be very hard to sue them in court.

Try to order from a US based company that shows a lab test to confirm purity, or... order TA-65 and know that it is the one with the most studies to back it up.

Cheers
A

[debism63]

Thanks Anthony and Adam,
Your responses have been so very helpful, I have done some researches after I read 'The Immortality Edge' and this information you have provided has been somehting completly new to me, and before I make up my mine which I'd like to do it pretty soon, I have another question or perhaps a few more depending on replies back.
Has anyone done lab analysis comparisons between TA-65 and Product B?

[AdamI]

Product B is cheap, you get what you pay for.
There are some that have done labs test for example Anthonys company. It contains some common herbs.
I guess it also have some small amount of cyclo and AIV. That is the general opinoin anyway.

[Anthony_Loera]

Yes, we have tested Product B.

In my personal opinion Product B is pretty worthless as a telomerase activtor.. also, according to the label it doesn't have any astragalus, Cyclo or AIV at all.

We simply can't recommend Product B, sorry.

A

Edited by Anthony_Loera, 13 January 2012 - 05:15 PM.

[Anthony_Loera]

We tested TA-65... that one showed extraordinary telomerase activation.

A

[Louis]

One of your main criticisms here has been that Bill Andrews has not published any of his in vitro results on Product B, and that we all shouldn't just "take his word for it". In all honestly, I think this is a scientifically valid criticism. Here's your chance to do things differently. If you publish a seriously written scientific paper describing in detail the testing methods involved in your experiments (even if only on your website), then we won't have to "just take your word for it" either. Otherwise, it's just one person's word against the other. That's not science, as you yourself have pointed out many times.

I actually agree with you on this post.

However while we wait for the science to be published, if platitudes are spouted... I'll probably opine as well.

Cheers

A

Anthony, can you update us on when you expect your paper detailing your tests on product B to appear in a journal? Or when you plan to self publish it on your website?

I think there are a number of professional scientists/engineers here, including myself, very interested in reading this paper.

Edited by Louis, 13 January 2012 - 06:02 PM.

[Anthony_Loera]

It will be soon Louis,

Cheers

A

[Louis]

Anthony,

Were you able to get it accepted to a peer-reviewed journal?

Or will it be posted on your website?

It will be soon Louis,

Cheers

A

[Anthony_Loera]

Don't be pushy Louis,

it will be available soon. Just know that I have seen the results, and that I cannot recommend Product B.

Cheers

A