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After reading tons of reviews on Selegiline, I finally decided on finding a source and ordering some. The reviews on it were scattered, and widely diverse due to the various situations on its usage. Many people use it in conjunct with some pretty heavy duty street drugs like MDMA. Now... I've done the stuff in my younger years, but haven't seen a roll in ages. Some people report that it creates a very pronounced emotional disconnect, which is one thing I am looking for. Its use as a nootropic comes in handy, as I could definitely use the extra brain power. Some people says it does nothing, and some people swear by it... so here's my shot at it.

This would be my 4th day on it, so perhaps the effects are more apparent later on. I didn't notice any sort of real emotional disconnect as of yet, as I haven't really been in any sort of situation that would normally produce a strong emotional reaction. I have been inside of a forced social situation, however and found that my ability to be socially awkward was certainly still there. That was only day 2. I can't say that any of my personality has been effected positively or negatively.

My fourth day is my first day back to work from the long weekend, and I must say that I feel a bit different. Not odd, so much, but there's definitely something going on. This is also the first day I've taken my aniracetam with my Selegiline, as well. I feel something... And I can't say what exactly IT is. My caffeine intake has been much larger than normal being as early as it is, so my chest is thumping, and my head is buzzing. I feel almost out of breath just sitting here at my desk. My brain is surprisingly quiet for once. Normally I struggle with the ability to sort out the noise, and keep focused on any one thing. I feel at peace for the time being, as well... No feelings of guilt over my social awkwardness during the weekend (which I do normally fight with come Monday morning) and no feelings of anxiety crowd my thought space, or invade my internal dialog.

I'm currently taking a very wide array of supplements, as I am a bodybuilder as well. I take a very thorough dose of amino acids, B-vitamins, and Creatine mono(only on an empty stomach to optimize pH), as well as a multi-vitamin, green superfood (spirulina, wheat/barley grass, high AOX blend of berries), tribulus terrestris, GABA, aniracetam, and fish oil. I take a sulbutamine spike when some intense work is needed. I do take melatonin, 5-htp, tryptophan, and benedryl for sleep every night. My diet is near perfection, and only slips off on the weekends because my girlfriend is a bad influence.

So, does anybody see any adverse interactions that I might have missed? Should I expect a more pronounced effect after taking Selegiline for a longer period of time? I plan on acquiring some Modafinil soon, as well, and taking it as needed WITH desmopressin on a once-a-month basis.

[Dirk_Diggler]

How old are you? 10mg of Deprenyl a day is a lot for a younger person. I just started taking Deprenyl for its nootropic/life extending benefits and I take 1/4 of a 5mg pill every 3 days...

[Dirk_Diggler]

Oh, also I take Aniracetam 750mg 3x a day with meals. On my Deprenyl days I take 1/4 of a pill in the morning with a meal. I'm about to start working out more (hopefully) and am interested in seeing how it works for you. I, too, take a good bit of supplements, but they're mainly nootropics, though that will most likely change to Whey protein, BCAA's, and Creatine when I start working out.

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I'm 31. I've read that 5mg 2x daily is safe and within the dosage practice of MAO-A selectivity, rather than MAO-B in the higher dosages. Additionally, it is liposoluble so be sure to take it with fats. Best idea I could think of is to take your fatty meal at bfast and jam out your selegiline and your aniracetam at the same time. I'll let you know how well this dosage works for me... I'm my own guinnea pig, so don't go trying it out and go into hypertensive crisis just because of what I said here. I'm no doctor.

I take about a third less ani than you, as well. Too much makes me feel... weird. Don't know how else to describe it.

Creatine is good to use as a nootropic, as it increases the transport of ATP in the brain. I've found that the cheapie old Creatine Monohydrate works best, and is best when taken on an empty stomach. The pH in the stomach is crucial for shuttling the creatine out of the stomach as soon as possible. The longer it stays in there, the more time it has to turn into the evil poison creatinine. Just use 5mg at a time with 8oz of water maybe twice a day. As a bodybuilder, creatine supplementation increases the amount of ATP I have for moving big weights. It will allow 1-2 more reps than usual at the heaviest weight possible. To me, that equals bigger muscles.

[Dirk_Diggler]

I just started the Deprenyl, and upon seeing the tiny size of the pill, I wanted to take the full 5mg...but I had set a schedule so the 30 x 5mg pills would last me more than half a year. And I'm 26 so I don't think higher doses would really do anything more besides raise my tolerance.

Yeah, I try to take the Deprenyl with a really fatty meal to boost the bioavailability...but I may try the sublingual route and let it dissolve under the tongue. I used to take creatine when I was a little younger, but haven't taken it in quite a while.

I know the feeling from the aniracetam...I only have the 750mg capsules so I don't really have any other way to cut down the dosage. With bulk powders, I usually mix with water if it's water-soluble, and if it's fat soluble (or just really nasty tasting) then I just wrap in a small sheet of toilet paper and parachute it (with sulbutiamine). I may have to cut down on the aniracetam, though. It does make me feel different...not positive, a little negative. But anyway...

But I think at smaller doses it has MAO-B selectivity, and with higher doses it loses that and also becomes MAO-A inhibitor in addition to the MAO-B.

Thanks for the advice, though! It's really informative.

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ha yeah I think I had them reversed. MAO-B smaller dose, MAO-A+B higher dose. But yeah, I think I'm within the normal dosing protocol with 5mg 2x daily. I'm trying to gain some of the lovely MAOI effects from it, as well... as I've never had anything like that so I'm a bit curious. I'm hoping to find a happy dose for my ADD, as well. After some research on the mechanics of ADD, the disconnect from my emotions is something that I'd like to at least TRY. The tendency to be very emotionally reactionary rather than calculating and pragmatic is a symptom of ADD. I'm hoping to disengage that. For example: I'm in a meeting at work, and somebody throws a backhanded and snarky comment my way I'd be more inclined to jump across the table and staple his face than quietly smile and wait for a more opportune time to return intellectual fire. A previous boss has said,"You have two moods, aggressive and more aggressive." I'm hoping the Selegiline will allow me that nanosecond judgement call to NOT be aggressive, or sad, or jealous, or angry, or WHATever.

I'm also hoping to cash in on some extra motivation to long term goals. Another sad fact of ADD is that it has a very near-sighted view of time. I can't be bothered by the things that provide long term investment, but rather only react to what's in front of me.

I have bulk ani and sulb. the ani I just swish around with some milk, but the sulb tastes like... well... you know... awful, so I try to time my swallow so it goes down with the liquid before it touches ANY part of my tongue. uuuugh that stuff. But man it kicks like a mule!

Aggression never used to be how I handled situations. As a matter of fact, I let people walk all over me most of the time. Now I'm 200lbs of meat nobody really tries to put me down anymore, so I guess it's like a side-effect of being bigger. Like I'm still expecting somebody will push me around but nobody does so I just automatically respond with aggressive behavior. I don't want it though. I'd rather just have a calm aura of cool. People seem to respond better to that, yeah?

[Dirk_Diggler]

Yeah, and they respect you more, too. I was just reading a thread on here today that was talking about Noopept (a really potent analog of piracetam) and they poster claims that it has a slightly different feeling than the other -racetams. He said that it is really calm and tranquil but very alert. Upon reading this (I had never heard of Noopept) I did some research and found it's kinda rare, but not impossible to acquire. Here's a link if you're interested:

http://www.longecity...-had-to-try-it/

And yeah, the sulbutiamine is awful. I put between 800mg and 1200mg in a toilet paper sheet, wrap it up, and swallow it quick...most of the time it goes right down and opens (should've bought the capsules) but every now and then it flips on the back of my tongue as I'm trying to swallow and "parachutes" open and it is really bad. I used to think bulk piracetam was bad, but eventually tolerated it. But there's no tolerating sulbutiamine...

I've never tried bulk aniracetam or tried emptying the capsules...ocassionally I would get my oxiracetam capsules and aniracetam capsules mixed up, and could easily tell them apart (the oxiracetam was like sand, and the aniracetam just stayed put). Plus the bulk aniracetam powder was the same price gram for gram as the capsules so I just bought the capsules...

I've never had a problem with aggression, except for a few bizarre reactions to certain drugs/supplements. Alcohol, obviously would make me more prone to aggression. But normally, I'm really pretty timid and it may seem like I'm letting people walk all over me, but I just see it as me not putting energy into getting upset and pissed off over small things that really don't warrant my attention. But maybe I'm just making excuses...

But it sounds like if you accomplish what you're setting your mind to, then you will be unstoppable.

And I don't mean to sound like a smartass, but please make sure you don't take any ADD medicines with the Deprenyl...that could be disastrous. I don't know if you take those or not, but even with my ultra-small doses, I don't take the main things that interfere with Deprenyl (stimulants, antidepressants, synthetic opioids). Just thought I'd say that because at the doses you're taking, it could be a bad combo. But you probably knew that already

Edited by Dirk_Diggler, 06 September 2011 - 11:02 PM.

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yep, I steer clear of any amphetamine based pharma. It's probably safer to sniff a gram of blow for ADD than it is to take ritalin. It'd make me feel better, too.

I will check out this noopept, because I'm almost out of my ani.

I've read bits and pieces of the "methylene blue" thread. That may get me some of the missing links that selegiline doesn't give me. I'm considering it...

I'm hoping some people will chime in on their selegiline usage, and what they're stacking along with it. I really want to get an idea on the full gambit of the dosages. So Dirk, you're on the low end of the spectrum... Any noticeable effects yet?

[Dirk_Diggler]

Not really...I heard all these horror stories from people taking higher doses, so I decided to go with the life-extensionist recommended dose. I may go up to 2.5mg 3x a week. One concern is the lifestyle changes I had to make. Although many people have told me at the dose I'm at, I'm probably safe and could still take a lot of the medicines, I still am a little cautious. And I don't want to develop tolerance to this medicine.

Although the first week or so, I had a little insomnia at night. Nothing too bad, though

What about you? Any noticeable effects from your dosage level?

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Last night I had a bit of an issue getting and staying asleep. Normally this happens once or twice a month for whatever reason... So I'm not going to say it was the selegiline quite yet. REALLY freaky dreams. If it continues, I'll drop the dosage down.

No real life changing events yet. I think my social nature is taking a turn... talked to a guy in the gym for about a half hour last night about business startup and investment. Normally I'd be snoozing but I was completely engaged in the conversation and soaked everything in very well. One of my goals is to network with more people in the community, so... mission is underway.

[MrHappy]

ha yeah I think I had them reversed. MAO-B smaller dose, MAO-A+B higher dose. But yeah, I think I'm within the normal dosing protocol with 5mg 2x daily. I'm trying to gain some of the lovely MAOI effects from it, as well... as I've never had anything like that so I'm a bit curious. I'm hoping to find a happy dose for my ADD, as well. After some research on the mechanics of ADD, the disconnect from my emotions is something that I'd like to at least TRY. The tendency to be very emotionally reactionary rather than calculating and pragmatic is a symptom of ADD. I'm hoping to disengage that. For example: I'm in a meeting at work, and somebody throws a backhanded and snarky comment my way I'd be more inclined to jump across the table and staple his face than quietly smile and wait for a more opportune time to return intellectual fire. A previous boss has said,"You have two moods, aggressive and more aggressive." I'm hoping the Selegiline will allow me that nanosecond judgement call to NOT be aggressive, or sad, or jealous, or angry, or WHATever.

I'm also hoping to cash in on some extra motivation to long term goals. Another sad fact of ADD is that it has a very near-sighted view of time. I can't be bothered by the things that provide long term investment, but rather only react to what's in front of me.

I have bulk ani and sulb. the ani I just swish around with some milk, but the sulb tastes like... well... you know... awful, so I try to time my swallow so it goes down with the liquid before it touches ANY part of my tongue. uuuugh that stuff. But man it kicks like a mule!

Aggression never used to be how I handled situations. As a matter of fact, I let people walk all over me most of the time. Now I'm 200lbs of meat nobody really tries to put me down anymore, so I guess it's like a side-effect of being bigger. Like I'm still expecting somebody will push me around but nobody does so I just automatically respond with aggressive behavior. I don't want it though. I'd rather just have a calm aura of cool. People seem to respond better to that, yeah?

Methylene blue may be better at that, but it'll screw with your fitness levels, being a vasoconstrictor.

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I'm taking between 3-5mg per day. I normally start the day with 3x1mg drops sublingually and then if I remember, another 2 before bed. One night I was feeling curious so I tried 6mg before bed and I had some pretty freaky dreams too. I didn't feel like my sleep was too restful and woke up numerous times (although not fully) feeling excited. It was just an odd night. I experienced some chest discomfort too like I did when I was testing methylene blue so I decided a 6mg dose all at once just isn't for me. It was too stimulating and disturbed my sleep too much. I did watch True Blood all day leading up to that night so my dreams were bound to be disturbing anyway, but taking 6mg of deprenyl before bed didn't seem to help matters.

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LOVE that show. And yeah... I get odd dreams after power watching a few eps in a row before bed!

Have you tried MB with selegiline at this dose?

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Yea, I've been watching them in rapid succession. I can easily watch a whole season in one sitting.

Nope, I decided to isolate the MB from the Deprenyl so I could better assess their effects individually. First I tried MB with little desirable results and then deprenyl. I believe they are both MAO-A inhibitors at the doses we're taking so I didn't want to overdo it.

[bugasman]

Im in my fifth day using oral selegiline (Jumex brand). Everymorning (6:45 am) after I eat some food I ingest a 2.5mg pill. I have ADHD and imense procrastination, plus depression and TAG. I tried to use Ritalin, benzos, nicotine and Marijuana in the past. None gave me more positive results than negatives.

So I quit all drugs, including coffee. Started the selegiline treatment. Now Im only using it. I'm 25 year old. This is what I`m noticing:

Negative ones
- More sleepness. Many reported this side effect and say it will subside after some days. Everyday I see that this sleepness is reduced.
- Irritation and agression. Just a little increase in my normal irritation response to annoying things in my day. But I can rationalize more this emotional response and control it more. Again I see that this side effect is decreasing.
- Tolerable headaches. Just in the 3 first days.

Positive ones
- Selegiline is like a benzo to me. I'm much more calm and in peace.
- Positive mood. No more depressive mood. Just yesterday that I tried to see what effects Marijuana has with selegiline. After I vaporized some herb, my depressive mood came back. This is good, because I will not touch MJ for a long time...
- More concentration.
- Better reasoning.
- Better memory? Maybe is due to my increased concentration.
- More erotic thoughts.
- Better erections. One day I tried one more 2.5 mg at night, and after 40 min I had a urge to masturbate. I had a definitive improved erection.
- Increased self-control in many aspects of life.
- My cravings to nicotine, coffee and Marijuana decresead.
- Increase effect of stimulants. The coffee high is increased. But I dont want to use coffee, just selegiline.

Sorry guys, I can`t procrastinate more. On sunday I return to this topic.

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because I will not touch MJ for a long time...

Good, you're probably to old for MJ to touch you either. Get it? Michael Jackson likes little boys! Too soon?

Anyway, I can attest to the erotic thoughts, especially when I'm sleeping. I've had some pretty wicked dreams. I almost feel remorse afterwards because they're so detestable... yet good. Weird.

My caffeine intake on a daily basis could kill a cow. It's pathetic really... I'm hoping that i'll get some modafinil soon so I can ween off it without being tired as a dog. I can deal with the headaches.

I believe they are both MAO-A inhibitors at the doses we're taking so I didn't want to overdo it.

Read up a bit on this post... selegiline is MAO-B in lower dosages, and MAO-A+B in higher. MB is MAO-A. So if I were to low dose selegiline at 3mg 2x daily and figure out a good dose for MB, I could gain all the goods of both! Theoretically of course...

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Ah that's right. I'd forgotten that. You might be playing with fire by introducing multiple substances that all exert their effects on the dopaminergic system. Have you already established an effective dose of deprenyl? I won't be mixing the two out of caution and because I wasn't impressed with MB they way I hoped I would be.

Edited by semi-retarded-individual, 09 September 2011 - 07:54 PM.

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Alright, here's an update. And just to say one thing.. Thank god I decided to be anonymous on this site.

After this week of taking selegiline faithfully twice a day, I decided to try my hand at social situations. I went out with an acquaintance of mine who I've talked to in the past to get her take on something of interest. Well... I did her. But here's the kicker, I felt nearly NO remorse for doing it. I know what you're thinking... why would I? I've had a girlfriend of 2 years now, and we've been on and off for some time now but I've always just had a problem with telling her enough is enough. I feel as calm as a hindu cow. I don't care what she thinks, or if she finds out, or anything. It's like I'm free from the nagging annoyance of guilty conscience. GOOD RIDDANCE.

Don't get me wrong... I'm still scared of stuff, like... what if I get this other girl pregnant or, even worse... my girlfriend. HA! Don't worry, I'm already setting the things in motion to break up with her... just so you don't think I'm a heartless sod.

One thing I can definitely say is that I've been having more ON days of motivation than usual. I mean, normally most people go through life with some days where you can burn through work and kick ass and take names and all that, and other days you're just meh. I seem to be having more days where WANT to progress in my future goals and actually try at them.

My closing thoughts... I don't know if I would have done what I did without Selegiline. I may have never even asked her to come out. I may not have ever made a move. Then again, I don't know for sure. I'd like to think it was the unique blend of chemicals running through my body combined with a couple pints of beer that allowed me the courage to cheat on my girlfriend and finally realize she isn't for me. I guess I'll never know.

Here's to hoping it will allow me a little bit of an emotional disconnect when I decide to do the deed of breaking up with her.

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You've already broken up with her. She just doesn't know it yet.

How much deprenyl are you taking per day? Are you still at 5mgx2? Is it liquid or pill form?

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Liquid from Iron-dragon.

I can't say the difference is pronounced... I just don't know. I'd like to have a confirmed source so I KNOW what i'm getting for SURE is selegiline.

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update: I noticed that I've felt altogether normal over the last couple weeks. No real increases in anything, but maybe some extra lethargy. I felt that it MIGHT have helped my social abilities, but... ehhhh that's really subjective. So I've been off it for about 3 days now and BAM I got hit with a flood of creativity and motivation all over again like the first days of my aniracetam! I remember the first days of my ani... it felt like if I stopped learning my head would explode. It dwindled in the days following the first week, and slowly made me feel just normal, but a bit better.

Now... It can't be placebo, because I'm removing something. Something definitely turned the switch back on. It won't last long, I'm sure. Is this sustainable? Can I just keep cycling Selegiline to get the boost when I stop? I just want to be constantly like this so I'm always feeling this great motivation to move forward and absorb everything I possibly can.

Scientifically speaking, how is any of this possible? Diet has remained steady, as always. What's going on??

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I bought a bottle of Selegiline from Iron Dragon and discontinued its use because I was skeptical of it's integrity/origin. I have since started ordering from IAS which delivers what I feel is more medical grade and less experimental. I have no clue if there are actually any chemical differences other than the IAS is flavored to make it more palatable.

Just so I'm understanding you right... you've been taking Selegiline daily and once you went on a 3 day hiatus from it is when you started feeling the positive effects? That's odd...

I haven't missed a day since I started a little over a month ago. Maybe I should give it a rest for a couple of days and see what happens?

How are you feeling now? What is your current situation dosing/effects wise?

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yep, I steer clear of any amphetamine based pharma. It's probably safer to sniff a gram of blow for ADD than it is to take ritalin. It'd make me feel better, too.

I will check out this noopept, because I'm almost out of my ani.

I've read bits and pieces of the "methylene blue" thread. That may get me some of the missing links that selegiline doesn't give me. I'm considering it...

I'm hoping some people will chime in on their selegiline usage, and what they're stacking along with it. I really want to get an idea on the full gambit of the dosages. So Dirk, you're on the low end of the spectrum... Any noticeable effects yet?

Don't worry about interactions with Methylene Blue and Selegiline. It's quite a weak inhibitor of MAO-A at nootropic doses (under 5mg). Plus, it's reversible, too. As long as you take under 5mg, it shouldn't be a problem.

Looked up Iron Dragon... and I almost burst into laughter. They sell PT-141 (Bremalanotide) and D2 agonists like Pramipexole and Cabergoline... OMG, that is awesome. They should package them together and call it the "get raped kit"... no? I sometimes wonder if PT-141 is going to be the next roofie/ecstacy pill that gets tossed around at clubs and slipped into drinks. Probably already is...

...okay back on topic...

I do recommend Methylene Blue at 1mg or less. I think it will counter some aggression as well.

I also find it strange that you take so much sulbutiamine. Do you take it every day or just for work outs?

Also, I'd like to know how Selegiline helps ADHD symptoms. You say you have more on days, but can you get started on projects easier? Do you follow through on tasks better? Those are things I struggle with the most. I either want to eat, sleep, socialize, work on someone else's project, or do something totally unimportant. I'm asking because I will bring this up next time I go to the Psych. I'd much rather get Selegiline for $15/bottle than $42/bottle at Iron Dragon.

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Well then you won't like paying the $85/bottle I pay shipped at IAS.

[thedevinroy]

Well then you won't like paying the $85/bottle I pay shipped at IAS.

Haha nope... I have about a $20 cushion a week, $40 on a good week. That has to pay for Pysch visits, dental care, and car care (and "extra trip" gasoline) for a 1998 Subaru with 260k miles.

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Alright, the backstory of my usage, as i can reverse engineer it now, is as such: I found the Selegiline allowed me to switch from one task to the next with less effort. I didn't notice it while I was using it, but when I stopped oooh man if I pulled my head out of one task I would be completely retarded in the next task which should have come natural and quickly. Alright... allow me to explain my perception of ADD. It allows me to "hyperfocus" which is basically just a way that my brain refuses to switch to another task. I found that the Selegiline reduced that a bit. But after the 3 days without it I was hit with a surge of motivation and creativity. I was also unable to switch from one task to another very easily... at the time I thought it was just that I was so absorbed in my idea... which I was, but when it came time to get my head out of the clouds I would be brain farting on the simplest of things. I would say that has always been my trouble spot is to use my "fluid intelligence" properly so as to transfer from one thing to another. I'd like to think what I got from ID was legit, but... since I don't know for sure I can only be stating the placebo effect. Once I get a chance I'll pick up some from IAS (whoever that is), and recount my experiences once again.

I noticed that the Selegiline I had didn't have the benefits I had expected. I mentioned in another post on here or somewhere else that I'd like to get a source that's confirmed so I can be sure of its effects and judge for myself if it's worth it. Money is of some concern, but not especially important. $85 a bottle is... a bit steep. But doable, as long as I know its real.

Oh, and the Cabergoline is used in bodybuilding circles for people who use DHT or androgen type steroids that cause prolactin gyno symptoms. Its obvious Cabergoline isn't the perfect drug... but its all they have at the moment. I won't use Deca, Tren, or anything else like that if it causes prolactin gyno because I won't take Cabergoline. I'm just fine with my SERM's, even if there's a >1% chance I'll die of a thrombotic event.

My sulbutiamine usage is very few and far between. I'll use it once in a while just to get a quick zip in my step. Kicks like a mule that stuff... I've only used it once for workouts.

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antiaging-systems.com/

They have the tablets and liquid form. I still have half a bottle I bought from them and a full bottle from ID. I'll have to see if I can discern any differences in their effects.

[thedevinroy]

Alright, the backstory of my usage, as i can reverse engineer it now, is as such: I found the Selegiline allowed me to switch from one task to the next with less effort. I didn't notice it while I was using it, but when I stopped oooh man if I pulled my head out of one task I would be completely retarded in the next task which should have come natural and quickly. Alright... allow me to explain my perception of ADD. It allows me to "hyperfocus" which is basically just a way that my brain refuses to switch to another task. I found that the Selegiline reduced that a bit. But after the 3 days without it I was hit with a surge of motivation and creativity. I was also unable to switch from one task to another very easily... at the time I thought it was just that I was so absorbed in my idea... which I was, but when it came time to get my head out of the clouds I would be brain farting on the simplest of things. I would say that has always been my trouble spot is to use my "fluid intelligence" properly so as to transfer from one thing to another. I'd like to think what I got from ID was legit, but... since I don't know for sure I can only be stating the placebo effect. Once I get a chance I'll pick up some from IAS (whoever that is), and recount my experiences once again.

I noticed that the Selegiline I had didn't have the benefits I had expected. I mentioned in another post on here or somewhere else that I'd like to get a source that's confirmed so I can be sure of its effects and judge for myself if it's worth it. Money is of some concern, but not especially important. $85 a bottle is... a bit steep. But doable, as long as I know its real.

Oh, and the Cabergoline is used in bodybuilding circles for people who use DHT or androgen type steroids that cause prolactin gyno symptoms. Its obvious Cabergoline isn't the perfect drug... but its all they have at the moment. I won't use Deca, Tren, or anything else like that if it causes prolactin gyno because I won't take Cabergoline. I'm just fine with my SERM's, even if there's a >1% chance I'll die of a thrombotic event.

My sulbutiamine usage is very few and far between. I'll use it once in a while just to get a quick zip in my step. Kicks like a mule that stuff... I've only used it once for workouts.

ADHD is such a large umbrella of issues all stemming from some type of noradrenergic or dopaminergic deficiencies. Not to say that I don't hyper focus, because I definitely do, but I get so uncomfortable working on something I don't like or would rather be doing something else. Hey that might help though. Pulling away from longecity, for instance, kind of sucks at times.