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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:28 PM
A clarification is in order for all those in Europe and elsewhere who think that they can't get Coluracetam because Customs might confiscate it.
Your're wrong.
Coluracetam is not regulated anywhere in the world - as of today - and should be free from legal constraints for at least 2-5 more years.
However, if Coluracetam is approved by the FDA and likely other countries' regulatory agencies then it will become Prescription Only and harder or impossible to purchase/import by individuals. Only those tiny fraction with approved 'diseases' will get a prescription for it and it will cost a fortune.
Yet because of its remarkable potency anyone could buy a lifetime's supply now - ScienceGuy has his but you can bet your life he will never sell it due to risk and the giveaways won't likely happen again - before any purchase/importation regulations are imposed. Possession will always be legal of course - the catch is purchase/import and that is the road that will close soon.
This is why I am trying to hurry and get together a group to start the importing. Once the first batch has been sucessfully made and delivered it will be the golden key to scaling up by 10x to 100g orders, and from there to 1kg orders which will be lifetime supplies. At that point victory will be declared and regulatory status will become irrelevant to all those who had the foresight to obtain it early.
If you have ever sucessfully imported any racetam to your country then you can import Coluracetam. Its legal status is no different from Oxiracetam, Pramiracetam, Nefiracetam, or Piracetam - perhaps excepting Australia where Piracetam is technically Prescription Only but yet folks still report being able to import it.
There are two ways to go about this:
1. I make the lump-sum payment and all the material is delivered to me. Then I split it into parts the size of which is determined by individual contributions and send it out by fully trackable EMS [Express Mail Service]. This method has three disadvantages: first it costs $30/n + $30 per person where n is the number of people. Second, it requires everyone to trust me. Third, it requires that the Coluracetam pass two Customs to get to you guys: Canada Customs and your country's Customs.
2. I ask the supplier to presplit the order and send out each amount of Coluracetam to the listed individuals. This reduces the EMS cost per person to $30, reduces the Customs traversal requirement from two to one and reduces the necessity of trust. However, it requires the supplier be willing to split the product on production completion.
I think Option #2 is the best for everyone concerned.
Your're wrong.
Coluracetam is not regulated anywhere in the world - as of today - and should be free from legal constraints for at least 2-5 more years.
However, if Coluracetam is approved by the FDA and likely other countries' regulatory agencies then it will become Prescription Only and harder or impossible to purchase/import by individuals. Only those tiny fraction with approved 'diseases' will get a prescription for it and it will cost a fortune.
Yet because of its remarkable potency anyone could buy a lifetime's supply now - ScienceGuy has his but you can bet your life he will never sell it due to risk and the giveaways won't likely happen again - before any purchase/importation regulations are imposed. Possession will always be legal of course - the catch is purchase/import and that is the road that will close soon.
This is why I am trying to hurry and get together a group to start the importing. Once the first batch has been sucessfully made and delivered it will be the golden key to scaling up by 10x to 100g orders, and from there to 1kg orders which will be lifetime supplies. At that point victory will be declared and regulatory status will become irrelevant to all those who had the foresight to obtain it early.
If you have ever sucessfully imported any racetam to your country then you can import Coluracetam. Its legal status is no different from Oxiracetam, Pramiracetam, Nefiracetam, or Piracetam - perhaps excepting Australia where Piracetam is technically Prescription Only but yet folks still report being able to import it.
There are two ways to go about this:
1. I make the lump-sum payment and all the material is delivered to me. Then I split it into parts the size of which is determined by individual contributions and send it out by fully trackable EMS [Express Mail Service]. This method has three disadvantages: first it costs $30/n + $30 per person where n is the number of people. Second, it requires everyone to trust me. Third, it requires that the Coluracetam pass two Customs to get to you guys: Canada Customs and your country's Customs.
2. I ask the supplier to presplit the order and send out each amount of Coluracetam to the listed individuals. This reduces the EMS cost per person to $30, reduces the Customs traversal requirement from two to one and reduces the necessity of trust. However, it requires the supplier be willing to split the product on production completion.
I think Option #2 is the best for everyone concerned.
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 17 January 2013 - 07:43 PM.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 07:54 PM
Excellent, thanks!
I just sent an email to Beijing Kaida asking if he can split the Coluracetam and send it to each person separately.
The answer will be very important and he should reply in 1-2 days as he usually does.
If I had to take the full amount myself and split it I would have to compensate the others for increased risk by a greater contribution of my own, likely paying the cost of each sendout and likely other costs like the PayPal fee to help compensate.
I just sent an email to Beijing Kaida asking if he can split the Coluracetam and send it to each person separately.
The answer will be very important and he should reply in 1-2 days as he usually does.
If I had to take the full amount myself and split it I would have to compensate the others for increased risk by a greater contribution of my own, likely paying the cost of each sendout and likely other costs like the PayPal fee to help compensate.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:06 PM
The total cost including all fees breaks down like this:
Product: $700 USD
PayPal => His Bank Withdrawal Fee: $30
PayPal Transfer Fee: 3% [$13.20 USD] (I will pay this myself so it isn't added to the total)
EMS Fee: $32.09
Total = $762.09
This does not count the second EMS/Courier fee if Option #1 is chosen and I do the splitting and re-sending. The amount would be in the $20-$25 range.
Depending on the number of individuals it works out like this:
2 People (1 + me): $381.05 for 5g each | $76.21/g | 200 doses @ 25mg/dose
3 People (2 + me): $254.03 for 3.33g each | $76.21/g | 133 doses @ 25mg/dose
4 People (3 + me): $190.52 for 2.5g each | $76.21/g | 100 doses @ 25mg/dose
For all the above scenarios the per-dose costing is: $2.32 / dose or $9.28 / day q.d.s. (4x per day).
Product: $700 USD
PayPal => His Bank Withdrawal Fee: $30
PayPal Transfer Fee: 3% [$13.20 USD] (I will pay this myself so it isn't added to the total)
EMS Fee: $32.09
Total = $762.09
This does not count the second EMS/Courier fee if Option #1 is chosen and I do the splitting and re-sending. The amount would be in the $20-$25 range.
Depending on the number of individuals it works out like this:
2 People (1 + me): $381.05 for 5g each | $76.21/g | 200 doses @ 25mg/dose
3 People (2 + me): $254.03 for 3.33g each | $76.21/g | 133 doses @ 25mg/dose
4 People (3 + me): $190.52 for 2.5g each | $76.21/g | 100 doses @ 25mg/dose
For all the above scenarios the per-dose costing is: $2.32 / dose or $9.28 / day q.d.s. (4x per day).
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 17 January 2013 - 08:23 PM.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:16 PM
Excellent!
At the rate this project is moving the order may be placed earlier than I expected - perhaps at the end of this month.
I was in it for the long haul assuming it would take 2-6 months to find enough folks.
PS. It is day ten waiting for my milligram scale. It is coming from the USA so it should be here soon. If anyone is planning on ordering then I do suggest purchasing a milligram scale from the link I posted a page ago in this thread. It's cheap and needed since neither I nor the manufacturer will be encapsulating or otherwise dose-measuring. The product will arrive as bulk powder.
At the rate this project is moving the order may be placed earlier than I expected - perhaps at the end of this month.
I was in it for the long haul assuming it would take 2-6 months to find enough folks.
PS. It is day ten waiting for my milligram scale. It is coming from the USA so it should be here soon. If anyone is planning on ordering then I do suggest purchasing a milligram scale from the link I posted a page ago in this thread. It's cheap and needed since neither I nor the manufacturer will be encapsulating or otherwise dose-measuring. The product will arrive as bulk powder.
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 17 January 2013 - 08:16 PM.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:21 PM
So all you need is 2-4 people? Theres a list of at least 10 already. Im a bit confused. Im willing to do scenario number 1 but troubleis seems fine so lets to 3 people. We could all have a skype call soon to get to know each other and figuere out why we should trust one of us with the money 
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:25 PM
OOPS!
Big mistake in my costing post, please re-read it.
I put in $400 when that was the cost of 1g - it should be $700 which is for 10g.
All the rest of the costs are the same.
Below are the correct numbers alone - the post above has been updated too:
2 People (1 + me): $381.05 for 5g each | 200 doses @ 25mg/dose | 50 days q.d.s.
3 People (2 + me): $254.03 for 3.33g each | 133 doses @ 25mg/dose | 33 days q.d.s.
4 People (3 + me): $190.52 for 2.5g each | 100 doses @ 25mg/dose | 25 days q.d.s.
For all the above scenarios the per-dose costing is: $76.21/g or $2.32/dose or $9.28/day q.d.s. (4x per day).
Sorry for the screwup - I recheck often so I catch these things.
It might change some folks' plans so please tell me if the new numbers affect your ability to participate in a group buy.
Big mistake in my costing post, please re-read it.
I put in $400 when that was the cost of 1g - it should be $700 which is for 10g.
All the rest of the costs are the same.
Below are the correct numbers alone - the post above has been updated too:
2 People (1 + me): $381.05 for 5g each | 200 doses @ 25mg/dose | 50 days q.d.s.
3 People (2 + me): $254.03 for 3.33g each | 133 doses @ 25mg/dose | 33 days q.d.s.
4 People (3 + me): $190.52 for 2.5g each | 100 doses @ 25mg/dose | 25 days q.d.s.
For all the above scenarios the per-dose costing is: $76.21/g or $2.32/dose or $9.28/day q.d.s. (4x per day).
Sorry for the screwup - I recheck often so I catch these things.
It might change some folks' plans so please tell me if the new numbers affect your ability to participate in a group buy.
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 17 January 2013 - 08:52 PM.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:34 PM
You're right.
100g Coluracetam is much cheaper but it is 10x more risk.
The cost of 100g would be $3,662.09 including all fees - far too risky for a first order.
That's why it has to start smaller.
Of course, if 100g was purchased the new math would look like this:
2 People (1 + me): $1831.05 for 50g each | 2000 doses @ 25mg/dose | 500 days q.d.s.
3 People (2 + me): $1220.70 for 33.3g each | 1333 doses @ 25mg/dose | 333 days q.d.s.
4 People (3 + me): $915.52 for 25g each | 1000 doses @ 25mg/dose | 250 days q.d.s.
5 People (4 + me): $732.42 for 20g each | 800 doses @ 25mg/dose | 200 days q.d.s
6 People (5 + me): $610.35 for 16.7g each | 666 doses @ 25mg/dose | 166 days q.d.s
10 People (9 + me): $366.21 for 10g each | 400 doses @ 25mg/dose | 100 days q.d.s
For all the above scenarios the per-dose costing is: $36.62/g or $0.92/dose or $3.66/day q.d.s. (4x per day).
100g Coluracetam is much cheaper but it is 10x more risk.
The cost of 100g would be $3,662.09 including all fees - far too risky for a first order.
That's why it has to start smaller.
Of course, if 100g was purchased the new math would look like this:
2 People (1 + me): $1831.05 for 50g each | 2000 doses @ 25mg/dose | 500 days q.d.s.
3 People (2 + me): $1220.70 for 33.3g each | 1333 doses @ 25mg/dose | 333 days q.d.s.
4 People (3 + me): $915.52 for 25g each | 1000 doses @ 25mg/dose | 250 days q.d.s.
5 People (4 + me): $732.42 for 20g each | 800 doses @ 25mg/dose | 200 days q.d.s
6 People (5 + me): $610.35 for 16.7g each | 666 doses @ 25mg/dose | 166 days q.d.s
10 People (9 + me): $366.21 for 10g each | 400 doses @ 25mg/dose | 100 days q.d.s
For all the above scenarios the per-dose costing is: $36.62/g or $0.92/dose or $3.66/day q.d.s. (4x per day).
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 17 January 2013 - 08:46 PM.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 09:09 PM
I would join the group buy if somebody finds a way to import it to Europe.
Customs in Germany would not let it go through if it comes from outside Europe.
Yes they will. I live in Norway a country that's very strict on everything, especially drugs etc. Everything I've ordered; pramiracetam, piracetam, noopept etc. have passed toll customs, even though they are listed as prescription drugs. Don't worry.
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Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:00 PM
The most preferable group buy for me would be 2 or 3 others + me = 3 or 4 total.
I can contribute either $190.52 (3 buyers total) or $254.03 (4 buyers total) in two months - by the end of Feburary 2013.
In order to do either scenario in that timeframe I would need to know by the 23rd of this month because that's my payday.
I can contribute either $190.52 (3 buyers total) or $254.03 (4 buyers total) in two months - by the end of Feburary 2013.
In order to do either scenario in that timeframe I would need to know by the 23rd of this month because that's my payday.
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 17 January 2013 - 10:01 PM.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:19 AM
Even more mistakes! Good ones too!
I overestimated the cost of 25mg dosing. The correct numbers are below:
For the three scenarios above the per-dose costing is: $76.21/g or $1.91/dose or $7.62/day q.d.s. (4x per day).
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A high percentage of folks who tried ScienceGuy's Coluracetam samples found that 25mg/dose was too much.
Their average dose was lower by more than half - 10mg/dose - so here are the above numbers recalculated for that dosing:
For the three scenarios above the per-dose costing is: $76.21/g or $0.76/dose or $3.05/day q.d.s. (4x per day).
If anyone finds any more mistakes in my calculations please do reply/PM.
Since most people will use 10mg x 4 per day their cost will be only $91.50/month - very affordable.
I pay on average about $115/month on racetams and have a very low income - below the poverty line.
I overestimated the cost of 25mg dosing. The correct numbers are below:
2 People (1 + me): $381.05 for 5g each | 200 doses @ 25mg/dose | 50 days q.d.s. (4x per day)
3 People (2 + me): $254.03 for 3.33g each | 133 doses @ 25mg/dose | 33 days q.d.s. (4x per day)
4 People (3 + me): $190.52 for 2.5g each | 100 doses @ 25mg/dose | 25 days q.d.s. (4x per day)
For the three scenarios above the per-dose costing is: $76.21/g or $1.91/dose or $7.62/day q.d.s. (4x per day).
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A high percentage of folks who tried ScienceGuy's Coluracetam samples found that 25mg/dose was too much.
Their average dose was lower by more than half - 10mg/dose - so here are the above numbers recalculated for that dosing:
2 People (1 + me): $381.05 for 5g each | 500 doses @ 10mg/dose | 125 days q.d.s. (4x per day)
3 People (2 + me): $254.03 for 3.33g each | 333 doses @ 10mg/dose | 83 days q.d.s. (4x per day)
4 People (3 + me): $190.52 for 2.5g each | 250 doses @ 10mg/dose | 62 days q.d.s. (4x per day)
For the three scenarios above the per-dose costing is: $76.21/g or $0.76/dose or $3.05/day q.d.s. (4x per day).
If anyone finds any more mistakes in my calculations please do reply/PM.
Since most people will use 10mg x 4 per day their cost will be only $91.50/month - very affordable.
I pay on average about $115/month on racetams and have a very low income - below the poverty line.
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 18 January 2013 - 12:38 AM.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 12:33 AM
I have now sent out today's Coluracetam group buy notifications to Groups 3/8 and 4/8:
Group 3/8:
Group 4/8:
The second batch of notifications now includes the detailed costing posted above.
Group 3/8:
Crispy Cat
ephraim
golden1
Gorthaur
greekpsychonaut
Group 4/8:
gwern
ilove2dub
individual
joelski28
kenj
The second batch of notifications now includes the detailed costing posted above.
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 18 January 2013 - 12:34 AM.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 01:03 AM
I just received a reply from fengqu [Beijing Kaida Technology Development] regarding whether or not he can send out to each person individually or not.
Unfortunately he cannot send this way:
So there will be an extra $10-$20 cost per person for me to re-send by EMS (Express Mail Service with working tracking) or courier as you decide.
I will also ask each person how they want the item to be declared on the Customs form.
By default I will declare it correctly except for the 'Value' which I will declare as $15.99 USD.
Because there is no retailer - the product is custom-made - Customs cannot determine the exact value by checking market prices so they must accept the declared value for taxation purposes.
If I declare the full value then in Canada and the USA you may be taxed at the general rate - here in Canada it is 12%.
Finally, there are no Duties on Coluracetam. A Duty is a specifically-listed extra import charge for an explicitly-named item listed in a Duty Schedule. If an item is not listed in any Duty Schedule then it is not subject to Duty.
No racetam is listed in Canada's Duty Schedule except Piracetam - with a Duty Amount of $0 (funny isn't it?), and as far as I know there is no Duty on any racetam in the USA either.
Unfortunately he cannot send this way:
"I am sorry to you, we can not sent the shipment to different person."
So there will be an extra $10-$20 cost per person for me to re-send by EMS (Express Mail Service with working tracking) or courier as you decide.
I will also ask each person how they want the item to be declared on the Customs form.
By default I will declare it correctly except for the 'Value' which I will declare as $15.99 USD.
Because there is no retailer - the product is custom-made - Customs cannot determine the exact value by checking market prices so they must accept the declared value for taxation purposes.
If I declare the full value then in Canada and the USA you may be taxed at the general rate - here in Canada it is 12%.
Finally, there are no Duties on Coluracetam. A Duty is a specifically-listed extra import charge for an explicitly-named item listed in a Duty Schedule. If an item is not listed in any Duty Schedule then it is not subject to Duty.
No racetam is listed in Canada's Duty Schedule except Piracetam - with a Duty Amount of $0 (funny isn't it?), and as far as I know there is no Duty on any racetam in the USA either.
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 18 January 2013 - 01:09 AM.
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Posted 19 January 2013 - 01:24 AM
I have now sent out today's Coluracetam group buy notifications to Groups 5/8 and 6/8:
Group 5/8:
Group 6/8:
Group 5/8:
OpaqueMind
protoject
Psionic
PWAIN
Q did it!
Group 6/8:
ranza
Raza
Renfr
Rior
sapentia
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 19 January 2013 - 01:24 AM.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:16 AM
For everyone's entertainment I am posting the contents of today's private message conversation with joelski38 regarding the offer he made to send me the remaining Coluracetam he was given free by ScienceGuy as a gift for testing.
It is an example of the kind of offer I am not interested in.
It is also an example of the kind of selfish greed that tries to turn ScienceGuy's gifts into profitable sales items rather than passing them along for others to test.
joelski28
Sent Yesterday, 10:00 AM
Sorry I don't care for Coluracatem enough to do a group buy. I had some a good intitial response and it never really turned bad but the effects arn't that great.. I still prefer Piracetam and Phenylpiracetam. Good luck with the group buy.. I suggest you find someone to sell you there sample from Scienceguy before doing this. Or if you want to purchase a sample of me. I still use it off and on but would be willing to sell the rest of my sample if you want to try it first.
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Yesterday, 12:36 PM
Excellent!
I was hoping to get a sample to try since it's a total unknown to me.
How much do you have, can you accept PayPal payment, your country, can you ship by Express Mail (EMS)?
Can't wait for your reply
joelski28
Sent Today, 07:58 AM
I live in the US. I am not sure if I can ship EMS I will have to look into it. I don't have alot. Maybe 200mgs. I'll have to weigh it and let you know. It may be more like 500mgs its hard to gauge. Where do you live? The last thing I want is to ship it and have it get confiscated if you live in Europe. Let me know how to avoid this. I guess I could always just put it in a book or something and glue two pages together.
joelski28
oh and yes i have paypal
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Today, 01:38 PM
Of course you can send by EMS - it's standard express mail.
Now I need you to check the price to send an envelope (the baggie won't weigh enough to make a difference) to my address at the bottom of this letter. You can call your local Post Office or use an online estimator.
Then reply with the amount and I will send you some extra $$$ too.
Also, please tell me your PayPal address so I can send you the $$$.
Thanks!
Yours,
Jason Lalancette
joelski28
Sent Today, 04:55 PM
This is what I got for EMS to Cananda. I didn't realize it was so expensive.
Express Mail® International Legal Flat Rate Envelope Expected Delivery3 - 5 business days Post Office Price$29.25 Online Price$29.25
I just weighed the Coluracetam and I have 565mgs left. That is about 28 days worth dosing 10mgs BID... Almost everyone who doses this stuff has issues when dosing over 10mgs. I found this drug to only be effective at around 10-12mgs and anymore would result in side effects are drowsiness. I know your someone who tends to dose things high and I am the same way but with this stuff it is definitely not worth it.
So I want to ask you since Coluracetam is so rare and there are some effects I do like from it I'm not going to give it too cheap but I also don't want to be too expensive either. What do you think is a fair price for about half a gram? Doesn't this stuff go for like 400 bucks a gram? You name a price and I will most likely go with it or perhaps even lower it. I'm not greedy I'm not really trying to make alot of money of this but it is a little bit of a sacrifice for me due to the rarity but I'd hate to see you go on a group buy and turn out to not even like it so figured I'd help out in that regard.. So let me know what you think is a fair price.
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Today, 04:57 PM
Considering that you received it for free, any amount I send you beyond the postage is pure profit for you.
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Today, 05:15 PM
You and many others received Coluracetam for free from ScienceGuy for his stated purpose of 'priming the market' by publicizing your experiences with it.
He hopes to start real commercial distribution - not done by himself but someone else who is willing to take the much higher risk of sales.
I have taken up that task and done significant work to do so.
Since you did not want to use all the Coluracetam due to undesireable effects then your next step is to pass along what you didn't use to others who need it to test.
It was in that spirit that ScienceGuy gave it to you for free, and it is in that spirit that you will pass it along to me.
I will pay your costs to send it and a bit more for your time in the sending, but I will not be making profit for you.
The profit will be for everyone when I do what ScienceGuy wants someone to do but is unwilling to do himself - start the actual market sales of Coluracetam after I have evaluated its effects.
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Today, 05:21 PM
If selfish greed and turning a free gift into profits for yourself is all you know about then I will paste this entire conversation into the public Coluracetam thread so everyone including ScienceGuy himself who gave it to you for free can see what you are up to.
I believe it is important in the development of a real community to point out those who don't want to be part of it and see a gift as something they can make profits from by using others.
joelski28
Sent Today, 06:03 PM
Your option is Pay alot of money for Coluracetam. Your other option was buy a small portion of me. Wasn't planning on charging much. Like I said I still use it.. To me its not worth going in on a group buy but there are still effects I like so I have no problem keeping it for myself.. Whether I got it for free is besides the fact really. You just ruined your chance.. And seriously your gonna post this convo? hahaha. What are you like 12? I barely go on this forum and could give a fuck less what you do with this convo. Seriously grow up man. Wow.
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Today, 06:07 PM
I never ruined my chance because I knew you would never give it to me as ScienceGuy gave it to you.
It's folks like you that stop progress.
As for posting the conversation - it's not to embarass you but to inform everyone else what kind of behaviour I expect.
That way my time won't be wasted with more useless sales offers like yours.
It is an example of the kind of offer I am not interested in.
It is also an example of the kind of selfish greed that tries to turn ScienceGuy's gifts into profitable sales items rather than passing them along for others to test.
joelski28
Sent Yesterday, 10:00 AM
Sorry I don't care for Coluracatem enough to do a group buy. I had some a good intitial response and it never really turned bad but the effects arn't that great.. I still prefer Piracetam and Phenylpiracetam. Good luck with the group buy.. I suggest you find someone to sell you there sample from Scienceguy before doing this. Or if you want to purchase a sample of me. I still use it off and on but would be willing to sell the rest of my sample if you want to try it first.
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Yesterday, 12:36 PM
Excellent!
I was hoping to get a sample to try since it's a total unknown to me.
How much do you have, can you accept PayPal payment, your country, can you ship by Express Mail (EMS)?
Can't wait for your reply
joelski28
Sent Today, 07:58 AM
I live in the US. I am not sure if I can ship EMS I will have to look into it. I don't have alot. Maybe 200mgs. I'll have to weigh it and let you know. It may be more like 500mgs its hard to gauge. Where do you live? The last thing I want is to ship it and have it get confiscated if you live in Europe. Let me know how to avoid this. I guess I could always just put it in a book or something and glue two pages together.
joelski28
oh and yes i have paypal
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Today, 01:38 PM
Of course you can send by EMS - it's standard express mail.
Now I need you to check the price to send an envelope (the baggie won't weigh enough to make a difference) to my address at the bottom of this letter. You can call your local Post Office or use an online estimator.
Then reply with the amount and I will send you some extra $$$ too.
Also, please tell me your PayPal address so I can send you the $$$.
Thanks!
Yours,
Jason Lalancette
joelski28
Sent Today, 04:55 PM
This is what I got for EMS to Cananda. I didn't realize it was so expensive.
Express Mail® International Legal Flat Rate Envelope Expected Delivery3 - 5 business days Post Office Price$29.25 Online Price$29.25
I just weighed the Coluracetam and I have 565mgs left. That is about 28 days worth dosing 10mgs BID... Almost everyone who doses this stuff has issues when dosing over 10mgs. I found this drug to only be effective at around 10-12mgs and anymore would result in side effects are drowsiness. I know your someone who tends to dose things high and I am the same way but with this stuff it is definitely not worth it.
So I want to ask you since Coluracetam is so rare and there are some effects I do like from it I'm not going to give it too cheap but I also don't want to be too expensive either. What do you think is a fair price for about half a gram? Doesn't this stuff go for like 400 bucks a gram? You name a price and I will most likely go with it or perhaps even lower it. I'm not greedy I'm not really trying to make alot of money of this but it is a little bit of a sacrifice for me due to the rarity but I'd hate to see you go on a group buy and turn out to not even like it so figured I'd help out in that regard.. So let me know what you think is a fair price.
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Today, 04:57 PM
Considering that you received it for free, any amount I send you beyond the postage is pure profit for you.
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Today, 05:15 PM
You and many others received Coluracetam for free from ScienceGuy for his stated purpose of 'priming the market' by publicizing your experiences with it.
He hopes to start real commercial distribution - not done by himself but someone else who is willing to take the much higher risk of sales.
I have taken up that task and done significant work to do so.
Since you did not want to use all the Coluracetam due to undesireable effects then your next step is to pass along what you didn't use to others who need it to test.
It was in that spirit that ScienceGuy gave it to you for free, and it is in that spirit that you will pass it along to me.
I will pay your costs to send it and a bit more for your time in the sending, but I will not be making profit for you.
The profit will be for everyone when I do what ScienceGuy wants someone to do but is unwilling to do himself - start the actual market sales of Coluracetam after I have evaluated its effects.
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Today, 05:21 PM
If selfish greed and turning a free gift into profits for yourself is all you know about then I will paste this entire conversation into the public Coluracetam thread so everyone including ScienceGuy himself who gave it to you for free can see what you are up to.
I believe it is important in the development of a real community to point out those who don't want to be part of it and see a gift as something they can make profits from by using others.
joelski28
Sent Today, 06:03 PM
Your option is Pay alot of money for Coluracetam. Your other option was buy a small portion of me. Wasn't planning on charging much. Like I said I still use it.. To me its not worth going in on a group buy but there are still effects I like so I have no problem keeping it for myself.. Whether I got it for free is besides the fact really. You just ruined your chance.. And seriously your gonna post this convo? hahaha. What are you like 12? I barely go on this forum and could give a fuck less what you do with this convo. Seriously grow up man. Wow.
Isochroma-Reborn
Sent Today, 06:07 PM
I never ruined my chance because I knew you would never give it to me as ScienceGuy gave it to you.
It's folks like you that stop progress.
As for posting the conversation - it's not to embarass you but to inform everyone else what kind of behaviour I expect.
That way my time won't be wasted with more useless sales offers like yours.
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 20 January 2013 - 02:17 AM.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 02:47 AM
If anyone goes in On a group buy with this guy you are Nuts. This guy has clearly lost his mind. haha
He should also be banned for posting a message that I didn't give him permission to post. Shows how mature he really is.
He should also be banned for posting a message that I didn't give him permission to post. Shows how mature he really is.
Edited by joelski28, 20 January 2013 - 02:49 AM.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:24 AM
If anyone else has ideas like joelski28's then don't bother asking to join the Coluracetam Buyers Group or replying to any PMs I may mistakenly send you offering participation in that group.
Such individuals do not warrant my time.
I also doubt ScienceGuy will ever send more Coluracetam to anyone - but if he does it won't be to those I've reported to him that are trying to profiteer off his free gifts which were explicitly given on the conditions of testing, reporting and no resale.
I feel a bit sorry for those individuals because after they use up the free sample ScienceGuy so generously gave them, they will find that ScienceGuy won't send them any more and they won't be able to buy it from my group either since they will be blacklisted just like joelski28 has been.
Such individuals do not warrant my time.
I also doubt ScienceGuy will ever send more Coluracetam to anyone - but if he does it won't be to those I've reported to him that are trying to profiteer off his free gifts which were explicitly given on the conditions of testing, reporting and no resale.
I feel a bit sorry for those individuals because after they use up the free sample ScienceGuy so generously gave them, they will find that ScienceGuy won't send them any more and they won't be able to buy it from my group either since they will be blacklisted just like joelski28 has been.
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 20 January 2013 - 03:27 AM.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 03:38 AM
I have now sent out today's Coluracetam group buy notifications to Groups 7/8 and 8/8:
Group 7/8:
Group 8/8:
Group 7/8:
semi-retarded-individual
spookytooth
The Immortalist
trance
vali
Group 8/8:
zeroskater6979
zrbarnes
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 20 January 2013 - 03:40 AM.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:35 AM
Im willing to make a buy asap anywhere from 2 - 4 people. Im not sure why none of these groups didnt make a purchases yet. We could form a group that is willing to take the risk of the first purchase and is able to do it asap.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:41 AM
Thanks for your confidence!
Your name is already in my list.
As for the timing, I apologize. Only today did I send out the last of the PM notifications, so it wouldn't be fair to start finalizing the first purchase until everyone ScienceGuy sent Coluracetam samples to has had a chance to read the proposal and reply.
Also, my next payday isn't until January 23.
If I can keep my personal life together this should work but if it doesn't then someone else can pick up where I left off using the Coluracetam sources in the Racetam Prices list.
Your name is already in my list.
As for the timing, I apologize. Only today did I send out the last of the PM notifications, so it wouldn't be fair to start finalizing the first purchase until everyone ScienceGuy sent Coluracetam samples to has had a chance to read the proposal and reply.
Also, my next payday isn't until January 23.
If I can keep my personal life together this should work but if it doesn't then someone else can pick up where I left off using the Coluracetam sources in the Racetam Prices list.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 04:53 AM
Yes, I am hoping too that folks who are interested to participate will post to the thread.
Four individuals have already PM'd me or replied on this thread to be part of the group buy, so technically I have enough.
Now I am waiting to determine my own situation before committing.
It's a kind of caution that I've learned from years of dangerous living.
This time since I'm taking risks with others and their funds, I feel much more responsible so I must be more careful too.
Four individuals have already PM'd me or replied on this thread to be part of the group buy, so technically I have enough.
Now I am waiting to determine my own situation before committing.
It's a kind of caution that I've learned from years of dangerous living.
This time since I'm taking risks with others and their funds, I feel much more responsible so I must be more careful too.
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Posted 20 January 2013 - 05:09 AM
Sorry, I forgot to mention to everyone: the purchase amounts / dosing tables that I sent out are just examples - the amounts can be adjusted depending on your contribution but there would have to be a minimum amount of $ to contribute. I think minimum $50-$100 is reasonable but always open to suggestions.
The minimum is based on the need for me (or anyone receiving the product from the producer) to split and re-send to each member.
Because the EMS or Courier cost is about the same for 100mg or 1g or 10g, then buying only a tiny amount like $30 would be uneconomical since it costs $15-$30 to send an empty envelope (100mg-10g of powder in a ziploc inside the envelope costs about the same as an empty envelope) by EMS anyway.
It would be cheap to send by regular postal mail but that's untrackable and considering the risk/value of this purchase I can't do that - it would be irresponsible to everyone involved.
Also, the producer himself will send out using EMS for the same reason - it's fully trackable so there won't be any mysteries as to what's happening with the order and everyone involved will have the tracking numbers - both the full amount's EMS code and then each individual's EMS code when it's sent to them.
Of course individual EMS codes will be private between myself and each member unless they want to publicize it.
The minimum is based on the need for me (or anyone receiving the product from the producer) to split and re-send to each member.
Because the EMS or Courier cost is about the same for 100mg or 1g or 10g, then buying only a tiny amount like $30 would be uneconomical since it costs $15-$30 to send an empty envelope (100mg-10g of powder in a ziploc inside the envelope costs about the same as an empty envelope) by EMS anyway.
It would be cheap to send by regular postal mail but that's untrackable and considering the risk/value of this purchase I can't do that - it would be irresponsible to everyone involved.
Also, the producer himself will send out using EMS for the same reason - it's fully trackable so there won't be any mysteries as to what's happening with the order and everyone involved will have the tracking numbers - both the full amount's EMS code and then each individual's EMS code when it's sent to them.
Of course individual EMS codes will be private between myself and each member unless they want to publicize it.
Edited by Isochroma-Reborn, 20 January 2013 - 05:12 AM.
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