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[niner]

Heres the regimen I'm about to order from iherb:

Resveratrol - 2 grams a day, divided

Make sure that it's high purity. At that dose, if it's a 50% extract, you'll probably see some bad GI effects. If you can't get high purity from iherb, use RevGenetics.

[APBT]

Sulforaphane may be a candidate worth investigating.

http://pubs.acs.org/....1021/np800233q

http://www.bidmc.org...?ChunkID=111823

http://scialert.net/...jb.2011.395.405

http://www.sulforaphane.mobi/

http://lib.bioinfo.p...ry=sulforaphane


Sulforaphane infused teas:

http://www.baltcoffe...og/brassica-tea

[Mind]

What about trying a ketogenic diet, don't feed the cancer

I would second this thought. No guarantee it would work, but as a last ditch measure, maybe worth a try. Many people have noted that aggressive cancer cells prefer glucose for growth so if you go ketogenic, it will slow down the growth, buying some time.

[1kgcoffee]

Thanks again for the replies.
She's now taking AHCC, EGCG/green tea extract, Curcumin C3 and tocotrienols (delta and gamma only). The limonene should arrive shortly. Going to add 4000IU vitamin D, since her levels are likely low.
Still debating whether or not to give her resveratrol. Can anyone reassure me that it is safe to take resveratrol while on blood thinners (heparin?) She's not going into surgery anytime soon. Is it only a weak blood thinner?

Gonna go do some research on r lipoic acid and sulforaphane. I don't want to push too many more pills on her unless there is very good evidence.

Creosote should arrive next week. Besides NDGA, I just found out that it also contains limonene, alpha and beta pinene (similar to limonene), and gossypetin. Looks even more promising now.

resveratrol:

ndga:

gossypetin:

Edited by 1kgcoffee, 26 November 2011 - 09:33 PM.

[niner]

Still debating whether or not to give her resveratrol. Can anyone reassure me that it is safe to take resveratrol while on blood thinners (heparin?) She's not going into surgery anytime soon. Is it only a weak blood thinner?

To be honest, I'm not sure if it's a blood thinner or not. There's a huge amount of "Internet Wisdom" that claims this, but what exactly is that based on? Has it actually been implicated in bleeding, or shown to significantly affect prothrombin times? There are a lot of papers regarding red wine polyphenols in general, and resveratrol in particular, that show them as helpful in preventing thromboses, or undesirable clots. But that's different than having an effect on normal clotting that occurs when you have a cut. Resveratrol can reduce platelet adhesion in vitro. That would make an effect on normal clotting plausible, but is platelet adhesion a critical factor there? Is the effect big enough to see in vivo? I don't know. I've taken a lot of resveratrol and never noticed a bleeding problem... Anyone have any good information on this?

[JChief]

Milk Thistle.. most of us familiar with it think of the beneficial effects for the liver but I also just came across the following report which indicates it can help curb lung cancer. Big Pharma won't be feeding the media any press releases on the Colorado milk thistle for lung cancer study because milk thistle can't be patented. It's surprising that it was published at all. Here's her journal report:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...
"... naturally-derived products like silibinin may be as effective as today's best treatments."




Other:
http://www.coloradocancerblogs.org/...

http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/her...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/si...

http://www.liversupport.com/milkthi...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silibinin

Edited by JChief, 01 December 2011 - 05:55 AM.

[revenant]

Very frightening diagnosis. Best to your grandmother.

Here's what I have. This my own cancer treatment if I or my wife ever get it.

For 200 lb person

1000mg of refined Sodium Dichloroacetate (DCA) per day (take 500mg every 12 hrs)
Check liver enzymes after 3 weeks of DCA use. Continue only when liver panel returns normal.

2 Proteolytic Enzyme tablets 20 minutes before each meal
12 cups of black tea per day
Chaparral tea 3 cups a day with 10 drops of Chaparral tincture in each cup
Green Tea
Cesium Chloride 1500 mg x2 per day
Potassium Chloride 1,200 mg x2 per day ½ hour after Cesium Chloride
CoQ-10 1 gram = 500mg x2 per day
Carnosine 2000 mg = 1000 mg twice per day
Ginseng 2000 mg (steamed for 2 hours) 1g twice per day
Quercetin (research proper dosage)
Ferulic acid (resaerch proper dosage)
Honokiol (research proper doasge)
Rapamycin (research proper dosage)
Ellagic Acid (standardized pomegranate extract) 1000mg per day
Reshi 12g per day boiled for 5 hours served as tea taken with VC 2000mg
Gotu Kola 12g per day boiled for 15 minutes and served as tea
Resveratrol (micronized) 20 mg per day
Curcumin 5 grams = 2,500mg x2 per day with piperine
Dihydro-alpha-lipoic acid 1.6 grams = 800mg x2 per day
N-Acetyl Cysteine 1000 mg per day (500 mg every 12 hours with DCA)
Milk Thistle 1000 mg (before meals)
VD3 3000 IU per day
VK2 45 mcg per day
VE 400 IU per day


Drink over ½ gal of water per day

Maintain a diet comprised of 80% raw vegan foods with several pints of organic vegetable juice per day and no meats or dairy for the duration of the regime.

Except for DCA, continue all other compounds for the entire length of treatment.

Edited by revenant, 01 December 2011 - 01:19 PM.

[StarMitten20818]

Nicotine gum, blu cigs (vapor nicotine and glucose, water vapor would help to soothe the bronchial tract in my opinion and you need a vasoconstrictor to balance out the vasodilator imo), and bacopa monnierri with ashwaghanda; pending whether or not she used to smoke.

Slowly work in piracatem and choline citrate into prepared meals (like oatmeal or eggs) and water.

Also imho it is imperative that she also take a huge heaping tablespoon of milk thistle mixed in with whatever she wants; shake, food, water - whatever - daily; it will do anything but hurt.

Edited by moltiube, 14 December 2011 - 06:36 PM.

[Luminosity]

What about trying a ketogenic diet, don't feed the cancer

I would second this thought. No guarantee it would work, but as a last ditch measure, maybe worth a try. Many people have noted that aggressive cancer cells prefer glucose for growth so if you go ketogenic, it will slow down the growth, buying some time.

I would say give up sugar and don't replace it with a lot of honey, etc, or artificial sweeteners. I think that sugar feeds the cells you want to get rid of. I don't think you need to go to extremes there. It would be better to concentrate on things like eating steamed leafy greens each day than removing normal starches, if that is what a ketogenic diet is. Just my opinion.

[Sillewater]

Have you thought about adding modified citrus pectin? http://www.longecity...-citrus-pectin/

Man the citrus fruit is like a powerhouse source of bioactives.

[1kgcoffee]

THANKYOU IMMINST!

Excellent news. Doctors say she made a remarkable recovery. The tumor shrunk from 6cm to 1.8cm. She's not eligible for chemo. They'll check her again in three months.

How much of this is due to the supplements over and above radiation I don't know. But I am very pleased.

[okok]

Great. Glad to hear that.

[mpe]

That's very good news. Unfortunately the battles not over yet, so don't loose your resolve.

I was trawling the net the other day and found this article about Co Q10 Ubiquinol and cancer specifically that 400mg in divided doses can cause complete regression.
www.pdazzler.com/archives/359

Good luck

Mike

[Shorty]

@1kgcoffee
Could you kindly post the complete regimen your grandmother ultimately took? A friend and a relative of mine have lung cancer and I want to help.
Thanks

[Raptor87]

Start baking her some MJ cakes.
http://www.scienceda...70417193338.htm
http://www.drweil.co...for-Cancer.html

And no supplementation with certain vitamins, AVOID VITAMIN- A!
http://news.bbc.co.u...alth/330827.stm
http://www.scienceda...80229075222.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/2196482

Any of the suggested vitamins should come in the shape of organic food!

Good luck!

[hbar]

1kgcoffee -

Sorry for getting in late on this, but out of curiosity which drug(s) is your grandmother taking? I ask because my grandmother (87) has lung cancer as well which was diagnosed last summer. I don't really know a lot of details in terms of the type of cancer, but I do know that it had metastasized to her hip, ribs, and spine. None of us thought she'd make it to her birthday last month, but she had a PET scan in January and the tumors in the non-lung locations were completely gone, and the ones in her lungs were greatly reduced in size.

She hasn't had any chemo or radiation treatment to my knowledge - AFAIK the only drug she was put on is Tarceva, which when I look up on Wikipedia it says it's used mainly for the type of cancer your grandmother has (so maybe that's what mine has as well). The Wikipedia article seems to indicate there are doubt about its cost-effectiveness (my mom said it costs about $3000 a month...thank goodness for Medicare) but all I know is that it's had a startlingly positive effect on her health. She was bedridden and in a lot of pain, and now she can get around with a walker and can even drive.

Anyway, I have no idea whether or not you could get this drug in Canada and have the healthcare system pay for it, but if she isn't taking it already it's something I'd definitely look into.

[1kgcoffee]

hbar,
Thankyou kindly for the suggestion. Other than a blood thinner, no drugs. She went through 8 rounds of radiation. They're worried that she can't the handle chemo, after having gone through it with breast cancer. Not to mention the fact that she's not interested in suffering through it again. I will look into Tarceva. Other than recent fatigue and POTS, she's able to get around without a walker. Her cough is better than ever. Depending on the scan results next month, I'll bring it up as a possibile treatment to consider with her oncologist.

Brainfogged,

@1kgcoffee
Could you kindly post the complete regimen your grandmother ultimately took? A friend and a relative of mine have lung cancer and I want to help.
Thanks

Most of the time:
125mg AC Grace delta/gamma tocotrienols. Tocopherol free
2 grams AHCC (I would give her much more if it were affordable)
4000IU vitamin D3 softgels
Serrapeptase, taken away from food
LEF super bio-curcumin (1 a day)
2 grams d-Limonene (she recently stopped taking this for reasons unknown)

Some of the time:
Dandelion root (she couldn't handle the flatulence and quit, I think the diuretic effect was also causing her to become dehydrated)
Olive leaf extract (to knock out EGFR, She's really not taking enough)
I got her some chapparal, amazing stuff, to make an infusion with, but she doesn't like the taste.

I may be forgetting something, but that's the main regimen. If your friends can handle the cost, throw in high dose trans-resveratrol. I didn't partly due to cost, and worry that it could interfere with her blood thinner.

Edited by 1kgcoffee, 17 March 2012 - 04:02 PM.

[JChief]

Did you look into Siliphos yet? Specifically this.

[tham]

NSCLC in women is typically adenocarcinoma.


Start by adding Chinese leeks into her diet.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11719943


Go to your favourite Chinese herbal store, ask for capsules with these
two herbs, typically used for cancer.

Oldenlandia diffusa
Scutellaria barbata


http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10851520

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/1377337

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18339527


" Oldenlandia diffusa extract effectively inhibited the growth of all the eight cancer
cell lines and induced significant increase of apoptosis. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15273074


SPCA-1 and A549 are drug resistant lung adenocarcinomas.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18300501

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/15325848



http://www.jcimjourn...=htm&fileID=585

http://www.jcimjourn...=pdf&fileID=585

[Logic]

Mebendazole is/was the active ingredient in common de-worming meds:
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12231542
They have subsequently stopped selling it in America. Wonder why!?
I can still get it here; if you'd like some.

Edited by Logic, 25 July 2012 - 12:50 PM.

[renfr]

Don't know where this whole Vitamin C for cancer thing came from but just be careful with it:
http://classic.the-s.../display/55896/

Search a little harder. I too have read about the powerful results IF and only IF you can manage to find a doctor who is willing to offer IV Vitamin C. Keep in mind it has to be done via IV!

http://www.kumed.com...lt.aspx?ID=5049

Speaking of vitamins.. Vitamin D levels and cancer show an interesting correlation. Most of us do not get even close to enough.

You don't need IV C, IV C is complicated to be found, needs hospitalization and can only be used short-term. Besides it can be harmful to your kidneys.
If you want the same benefits of IV C without the risks, you may want to try Liposomal vitamin C. Basically it's fat-soluble vitamin c, dosages are 5-8 times stronger than IV C. You only need 6-10g a day to get the same results as IV C because it's absorption is over 90% while IV is about 15-20%.

You can buy it but it's very expensive or you can make it with ascorbic acid crystals, lecithin granules non-GMO grade, a blender and a ultrasonic cleaner.
If you're interested, here's a video that explains very well how to make that kind of vitamin C :
The guy uses NOW foods brand, it's quite cheap (30$ for the smallest bottles) and the ultrasonic cleaner around 50$ (42khz).

[1kgcoffee]

Thankyou kindly for the offer, Logic. An update since I haven't posted in a while. The lung growth is at less than a third of its original size, and appears to be growing very slowly or not at all. Unfortunately, in the spring, it metastized to the lymph node in her neck, which she recieved more radiation for. Since that time, she has been reporting increasing fatigue and poorer quality of sleep. I figured her HPA-axis was getting thrown off. She had also become less and less adamant about taking her supps, sometimes not taking anything for weeks at a time, rarely everything and never at the therapeutic dosage. Pill swallowing is tough, can't blame her. She got a major UTI a few months ago - coincidentally, a couple weeks after running out of AHCC - when the pain in her midsection began.

Anyways, the cancer doesn't seem to be growing much in the known spots, but she's been having a lot of pain in her mid section. From the back on the right side around to front. After doing some testing, they couldn't find anything wrong with her, everything in reference range except for slightly elevated liver enzymes, and chalked it up to 'muscle pain'. She's in the hospital and the moment, can't eat much without becoming nauseous and says that she can feel the food passing through her digestive system. She was recently admitted to the palliative care section of the hospital. I don't know what to make of it... could be that the cancer spread, or that her digestive system is shutting down and she is in the process of dying. It might have something to do with being on blood thinners for nearly a year. They're doing more tests. Since early august she has decided to quit pill popping entirely and I won't pressure her. Even though she has a positive attitude, I get the impression that she's running out of fight.

[Raptor87]

If she is having liverproblems then I recommend stopping all supps, replace them with liv-52.

The pains could be form a chronic inflammation, antinflammatory drugs should give positive result after ingestion.

I hope she get´s better.

[kikai93]

Concentrated cannabis oil is good for a wide variety of cancers, with a lot of clinical research backing it. Not sure how you feel about the legality.