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[daouda]

Be sure to include your email address as I will be communicating with the group via email, not on the board and will not be listing the names of those who wish to join in this group/individual buy.

Dreamer, that secrecy (not listing the names) would be totally unnecessary and make it very hard to coordinate with the sub-group buy for international participants.

So here's the list of the international participants so far (the ones tintinet would have to order for)

Myself- FR
Logic - ZA
PWAIN - AUS
Aronte - FR
[Poonja still has'nt mentionned his country of origin]

Of course I need to know who in this list would be ordering directly from genscript via dreamer

As soon as tintinet has set up the payitsquare page ppl in this list would be sent the link via PM
Then either you would have to pay before monday so tintinet would be able to make an order that'd be guaranteed to be paid for immediately
or he'd order anyway for that quantity (that would mean he's got the personal funds for that) and the shares ordered will be attributed to those that'd have actually paid by payitsquare.

Edited by daouda, 08 June 2013 - 05:17 AM.

[Dreamer]

To, hopefully, clear up some of the confusion that may have been created by the last couple of posts, I offer the following comments.

I do not expect there to be any different logistics problems between GenScript shipping to individuals in the US versus shipping to other countries. The product is produced by a lab in China and shipped out from there. I do not know if they would ship all to the US and then ship to individuals in whatever country or not. I will find out next week.

It makes more sense to combine all requirements into one order in order to obtain the best price, which is based upon quantity and product packaging or aliquoting.

The "deadline" of Monday, June 10 to express any interest in a group buy, is merely to get enough information with which to make sure the desireable arrangements can be made with GenScript. I expect it will take most or all of next week to get all the information and answers together from GenScript since we are dealing with their people here in the US and they are reliant on their people at their China facilities/lab for answers to some of our questions.

Keep in mind, that if we can buy as individuals directly from GenScript, it avoids the additional complications of someone like Tintinet. having to take over the responsibility and tasks of actually buying the total quantity from GS, then receiving it, dividing up into the appropriate quantities, obtaining shipping containers and packing materials, filling out individual shipping labels, filling out any customs documents for shipping out of his/her country to other countries, setting up a method of payment from individuals to him/her, determining the shipping costs to each individual and communicating that to each individual for payment for the AGAG, packing expenses and shipping costs including insurance, and finally, packing each individual order, making out packing slips and actually shipping all individual orders. It also means that each individual is buying directly from Tintinet (or whoever does the tasks) and not from GenScript, which means that Tintinet is responsible for the whole thing and each order. It also means that each individual has recourse only to Tintinet for any and all problems. Setting up arrangements with GS to buy direct and having them ship directly to the individuals also establishes that GS assumes the responsibility for each order, avoids additional shipping costs and allows us to take advantage of the cost efficiencies available to us through GS.

Keeping the logistics and coordination off the board is not a matter of secrecy, it is a courtesy to the board and all other members from being subjected to all the clutter of the details of the group buy posts that should be off the board. I manage several websites and forums and always appreciate that personal things like this be done directly, not on the boards.

Again, for those that are interested in the direct buying of AGAG as a group from GenScript, please PM me with your email address, quantity desired (preferably 1 gram, but possibly 1/2 gram minimum), name, at least first name, city, state, country and mail code. This will allow me to finalize the arrangements with GS regarding the group buy in terms of total quantity and the logistics of them shipping orders to individuals in different countries.

I will communicate with each member of the group buy directly via email. I will post general items of interest and summaries to this board as they occur. I hope to have all the details gathered including individual interest and information by the end of next week.

Edited by Dreamer, 08 June 2013 - 01:26 PM.

[daouda]

I do not expect there to be any different logistics problems between GenScript shipping to individuals in the US versus shipping to other countries. The product is produced by a lab in China and shipped out from there. I do not know if they would ship all to the US and then ship to individuals in whatever country or not. I will find out next week.

After I got my quote I asked Genscript about where they'd ship from, and they did say clearly that they would ship from the US... Did we contact different GenScript branches?

Keep in mind, that if we can buy as individuals directly from GenScript, it avoids the additional complications of someone like Tintinet. having to take over the responsibility and tasks of actually buying the total quantity from GS, then receiving it, dividing up into the appropriate quantities, [...] etc etc etc.

You're sure making it seem like much more of a hassle that it actually would be. Group buys involving international participants have happened before and were very far from the nightmare you're describing here.
If the peptide is indeed shipping from China then I guess there's no sense putting tintinet in charge of the logistics for international participants.
In case the peptide does ship from the US like Genscript told me in the context of my negociation with them, then I can tell you already that Myself, Aronte (from france) and Logic a least (and probably Pwain?) would rather pay a little extra to have a discreet USPS package (market as gift) coming from the US vs a flashy FeDex coming from Genscript and advertising an unknown research substance.

Keeping the logistics and coordination off the board is not a matter of secrecy, it is a courtesy to the board and all other members from being subjected to all the clutter of the details of the group buy posts that should be off the board. I manage several websites and forums and always appreciate that personal things like this be done directly, not on the boards.

Well this is not the common practice in this board, just check out the different group buy threads (2 of which I've participated). These things don't bother us around here.

Posting the list of participants will be useful (even needed) to keep track of things in case we do decide to put tintinet in charge of ordering then dispatching the shares of 4 international people (shouldn't be that much hard work, compare with the NSI-189 group buy where a bulk powder has to be weighed, divided and shipped to more than 30 participants internationally!!)

Edited by daouda, 08 June 2013 - 01:58 PM.

[Aronte]

Anyway I'm in for 500 mg for international group.

[daouda]

Aronte, I could maybe order 1500mg and with your 500mg that'd be 2g to be shipped from tintinet to France.
I could be the recipient of these 2grams (that's 20 tubes though) or 1500mg so that's only one package that tintinet will have to send to france, I would then proceed to ship your share when I receive the package, of course we would have to find some kind of guarantees for your peace of mind (that i wouldnt keep your share for myself).
In case you, me, logic and pwain are the only international members asking tintinet the favor of taking charge of their orders, that would be only 3 packages for him to send to 3 different countries.

With payitsquare this whole sub-operation can be really fast, reliable and painless. Finally, everybody wins. Alleluhia.

Edited by daouda, 08 June 2013 - 02:36 PM.

[tintinet]

I have set up a PayItSquare page, although pricing and shipping costs remain to be finalized. I'll be in contact with Dreamer about the Group Buy, assuming that's still the plan at this time.

[diogenes]

I am ordering a Premium test from http://www.telome.com & I will be starting my Telomere lengthening treatment beginning July 1st 2013.

I will take another test at 6 months. Another at 12 months. Again at 24 months. And again at 60 months.

I will post all results on this thread.

positiveeddy: You are going about it the right way with the baseline and periodic follow-up tests. Thanks for agreeing to share the results for the benefit of us all. Hope you get good results.

I haven't used or ordered any AGAG; still trying to do research/due diligence.

[Chrisip]

Still in for 1g. Let me know when and how to pay.

[Dreamer]

diogenes, my results from using AGAG or Epitalon.

My wife and I have been using AGAG for about a year, buying from Sciwalk. She is a young 67, I am 72 and doing well. She feels that it has been beneficial and supports good sleep. I sleep very well, feel well and feel it is beneficial. Neither of us gets "sick", but then, we really never have. We take it for 3 to 4 weeks then off for a week or two. She takes 1 mg and I take 3 mg each evening before bed, sublingually. No negative side effects.

I have 10 people in the direct buy group so far, for a total direct group buy of 10 or more grams.

Chrisip, I don't have your name in the direct buy group so you must be signed up with the other group. Just trying to avoid any confusion.

I should have more information next week.

[BobSeitz]

I'm also in the market for 1 gram.

[Logic]

Suggestion:
So if the peptide is to be shipped to individuals from Hong Kong; we may as well all go with the group order.
If Hong Kong is sending the whole batch to USA to be shipped from there; USA customers go with the group order, including Tintinet (thx) who receives a large shipment, paid for through Pay it Square, and distributes the group buy to the international buyers.

Some international buyers may choose to go with the group order.
Therefore we need everyone to repost (for transparency) their country of residence and their preference.

Dreamer negotiates and co-ordinates the group order after Tintinet has co-ordinated the group buy.

We all sit back and wait for our peptides, then have a great time posting our blood tests, experiences, and enjoying (hopefully) the effects.

Thoughts?

[Dreamer]

I believe there may still be some confusion in what is going on with the 2 different group orders from GenScript.

I tried to bury the hatchet with daouda and combine efforts, but he was not interested and chose to remain confrontational, so there are two group orders. Everyone will have to decide what they want to do. It matters not one wit to me what anyone decides as I make nothing in any way, shape or form from any group buy from anyone.

Daouda's plan is to have all AGAG from a group bought by someone (the Organizer) in the group as a total in one order from GenScript, have each member of the group buy pay through PayItSquare to the person organizing the buy after that person determines the costs for packaging supplies and shipping so individual buyers can add it to the total for payment. After the Organizer pays GS, they will produce and ship it to the Organizer. The Organizer will divide up the shipment into individual orders, provide the packaging materials, pack each individual order, create invoices and packing slips (necessary for any customs or shipping inspections), deliver to shipper and pay. Each shipment should be insured IMO. The Organizer will be responsible to each individual buyer, not GenScript. All recourse will be through the Organizer.

I have been in the process of negotiating a group buy but with each individual buyer actually placing his portion of the group buy directly with GS and paying GS for product and shipping, GS would ship direct to each buyer and would be responsible to each buyer. This would keep the link between buyers/users and GenScript intact and eliminate duplicate shipping efforts. I'll call this the Direct Buy Group.

There are presently over 10 members ere that have expressed interest in buying through the Direct Buy Group, DBG, for at least 10 to 12 grams.

If anyone wants to add their name to the DBG, please PM me with your name (at least first name for now), email address, city, state, country, mail code, and quantity desired. I will be communicating all information to the DBG members via email in order to keep the clutter off this board.

I will continuing negotiations and clarifications with GS next week along with some other research. I hope to have all information assembled by end of next week and will communicate all info to the DBG members via email. After a suitable time (a few days?) to review all information by the DBG members, we can place the order(s).

I hope that clarifies how the two groups would operate.

Logic: I do not know where the orders would ship from. It's possible, since they will produce and package it at their lab in China, that they will also ship from China. Lots of possibilities.

BobSeitz: I do not have you in the DBG so if you want to join in, please pm me with all information as above requested.

[diogenes]

diogenes, my results from using AGAG or Epitalon.

My wife and I have been using AGAG for about a year, buying from Sciwalk. She is a young 67, I am 72 and doing well. She feels that it has been beneficial and supports good sleep. I sleep very well, feel well and feel it is beneficial. Neither of us gets "sick", but then, we really never have. We take it for 3 to 4 weeks then off for a week or two. She takes 1 mg and I take 3 mg each evening before bed, sublingually. No negative side effects.

I have 10 people in the direct buy group so far, for a total direct group buy of 10 or more grams.

Chrisip, I don't have your name in the direct buy group so you must be signed up with the other group. Just trying to avoid any confusion.

I should have more information next week.

Dreamer:

Thanks for the information. Also, for getting together the information for the direct buy. I am not yet ready to jump in myself but appreciate the efforts.

[daouda]

Suggestion:
So if the peptide is to be shipped to individuals from Hong Kong; we may as well all go with the group order.
If Hong Kong is sending the whole batch to USA to be shipped from there; USA customers go with the group order, including Tintinet (thx) who receives a large shipment, paid for through Pay it Square, and distributes the group buy to the international buyers.

Some international buyers may choose to go with the group order.
Therefore we need everyone to repost (for transparency) their country of residence and their preference.

Dreamer negotiates and co-ordinates the group order after Tintinet has co-ordinated the group buy.

We all sit back and wait for our peptides, then have a great time posting our blood tests, experiences, and enjoying (hopefully) the effects.

Thoughts?

This is exactly what I was coming to. Seems logic, simple and clear enough!

I tried to bury the hatchet with daouda and combine efforts, but he was not interested and chose to remain confrontational, so there are two group orders.

Daouda's plan is [...]

My plan has been very clear to anybody with some reading skills, no need to rephrase it to put your spin on it. Once again you're needlessly attempting to distort things and instill confusion in people's minds regarding the complexity of this little arrangement. Please stop it already and let things go smoothly!

If you read my last posts it's very clear that I've not "chosen to remain confrontational". I've only recognized that your solution is great for most people, while trying to setup a solution so us internationals could get the peptide without customs problems. So I asked tintinet if he could do us the favor of taking charge of our orders, and he accepted.
This doesnt change anything for you.
There would not be "two group orders", there would be the "group order", coordinated by you, and a little, private, "group buy" coordinated by me/tintinet, that you don't even have to worry about. It would just be one order by tintinet to your eyes. So I really can't fathom why you're making such a problem out of this. The one attempting to combine efforts here is me, while you're clearly the one chosing to remain confrontational. As soon as I've read about the specifics of your special direct deal with genscript, I've let go of my "group buy" idea (that I had worked hard for) as your option is clearly the best for most people (getting a similar price while dealing directly with the source).

Also let me remind people here that had I not contacted Genscript and negociated this low price about a month ago, then revealed it to you in private as a member of my group buy a few days ago, you would not have come up with this group order deal, and not at this price (you even said yourself that you had crossed GenScript off your list).

Logic: I do not know where the orders would ship from. It's possible, since they will produce and package it at their lab in China, that they will also ship from China. Lots of possibilities.

Now this I can't understand. Why keep things in such a haze and talk about "possibilities" when it's very simple to know this fact, you just have to ask, and they will answer! That's what I did for my group buy, and they quickly answered that they'd ship from the US. You can ask Logic and Tintinet, whom have been provided the entire transcript of my email conversations with GenScript.

So there is absolutely no need for these ridiculous confrontational exchanges to continue.
Once it's confirmed that GenScript will ship from the US, our little sub-group buy will be coordinated quickly and painlessly, while things will remain exactly the same for your operations.

For your information, Chrisip and BobSeitz I beleive are not part of our sub group buy (being from the US that wouldnt make any sense anyway).

Now, confirmed in the sub-group buy (providing the peptide ships from the US), I have :
Myself, Logic and Aronte.... I only need to know if PWAIN if going with Dreamer's direct group order, or would rather try to go through tintinet.

Edited by daouda, 09 June 2013 - 06:48 AM.

[Dreamer]

More information from GenScript.

The cost for a 9 gram Direct Buy Group order is $253 per gram versus $270 for a 5 gram order.

All GenScript shipping is out of NJ, USA including shipments to Europe, South Africa, Australia and other countries out of the US, just the cost of shipping changes.

I am still waiting for more information including a quote for quantities up to 15 grams. Will post when I receive it.

We are getting close to a 15 gram order.

Anyone that has not communicated their interest to me via PM with name, city, state, country and mail code along with quantity wanted, please be sure to PM me ASAP as this Direct Group Buy may come together pretty quickly.

Be sure to include your email address as all communications and information to individuals will be by email to keep the clutter off the board.

Edited by Dreamer, 10 June 2013 - 05:37 PM.

[Logic]

Sadly I am out of this group buy. Sorry for any inconvenience.

[manileth]

Hi Dreamer,
I would like to order 1 gram; how do I PM you?
Sorry I am fairly new to this forum.

[Dreamer]

Put the cursor on my name above my post and a box will pop up, click Send Message.

[1todd960]

The week is almost to an end. What seems to be the hold up?

[Dreamer]

Monday was a holiday in China. The quote for larger quantities, 10 to 15 grams, was incorrect. We expect a corrected quote tomorrow. Since China is halfway around the world, we lose a day with each correspondence with them. Not all information comes from their US facility.

If there is anyone else that wants in on the Direct Buy Group order, please PM me with your information as outlined previously.

I should be able to send out all the information in the next few days via email, as soon as I get it. The order should be in place early next week.

[daouda]

Monday was a holiday in China.

Actually Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday were national holidays because of "Double fifth day" which is june 12th this year (I'm in China right now, will be back to France june 28th)

[Dreamer]

I have sent out emails with the Direct Buy Group purchase information to each member who signed up for the Direct Buy Group purchase of AGAG/Epitalon which is a peptide sequence of {ALA}-{GLU}-{ASP}-{GLY} aka AEDG.

If any of you do not get the email, please check your spam folder or PM me.

If there is anyone that would like to join the Direct Buy Group, please let me know via PM with name, shipping address, quantity, and aliquoting or mg/tube, and I will add you to the list.

The cost for the peptide is $253/gram plus shipping from NJ USA, assuming at least a 9 gram group order.

I hope to be able to place the order next week some time, after everyone responds to the emails and pays for their individual orders.

Edited by Dreamer, 15 June 2013 - 01:29 PM.

[1todd960]

What is the method for reconstituting the peptides? I've read that most are using some type of alcohol. Is that the only option? Would bacteriostatic water be ok?

[Dreamer]

I add distilled water, about half the total liquid needed or so, swirl until the peptide is dissolved and the solution is clear, then add vodka so that I end up with about 5% alcohol total, and top with more distilled water. Store in the fridge until used up. You can use wine as well, or the alcohol of your choice.

[1todd960]

I guess I was hoping for an alternative method for mixing other then alcohol. I assume the alcohol is just being used to preserve the solution a bit longer.

[tintinet]

Previously posted by Sciwalk:


Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:17 PM
Any kind of drinkable alcohol will work but just keep in mind that you want, after mixing, the alcohol content to be between 4 to 10%. Optimal is 7%. The peptide is 100% water soluable and that is why you first want to mix with the water. After, add the alcohol to stave off degridation. I recommended table wine because it is generally between 8 to 18% alcohol. Then mixing 50/50 with the water will put you in the correct range (just want to simplify for people). If you want to use a higher grade alcohol, that is fine, but just make sure that you are adding more water as needed to bring the total alcohol content down as close as you can to 7%. If you go under 4% it will not help that much and the peptide will degrade faster. If you go over 10% then the peptide will start clumping together.
Prior post by Sciwalk:

"The peptide, in raw form, should be kept in the freezer.
Once a vial has been mixed, it should be kept in the refrigerator, so, yes, cold and dark.
The tests we ran on longevity of peptide was done with a wide range of alcohol contents, from as low as what you find in bacterostatic water (often around .10%) up to a full grain alcohol at 70%. We took each vial in and out of the fridge every day for a period of time to replicate normal use and tested the purity at 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 6 weeks, 8 weeks, 10 weeks, 12 weeks and then at 24 weeks. Based on those findings is why we proposed, to simplify things for most people, adding 50% sterile water, then adding 50% table wine to get you near to 7% and allowing the peptide to last at a full >98% for 45 days +."

Edited by tintinet, 16 June 2013 - 10:30 PM.

[poonja]

Thank you for the information. It would be a shame to not gtr the full effect due to lack of knowledge as to how to best to reconstitute and store the peptide.

[1todd960]

Yes thanks for the reply.

Are you using Sterile water? As I understand Distilled water is not organism free, just mineral free. I was looking online for sterile water and can only find sterile for injection which comes in vials. That would require me to use a syringe to transfer over to the Epitalon.

Thanks again for the help.

Todd

Previously posted by Sciwalk:


Posted 13 December 2012 - 09:17 PM
Any kind of drinkable alcohol will work but just keep in mind that you want, after mixing, the alcohol content to be between 4 to 10%. Optimal is 7%. The peptide is 100% water soluable and that is why you first want to mix with the water. After, add the alcohol to stave off degridation. I recommended table wine because it is generally between 8 to 18% alcohol. Then mixing 50/50 with the water will put you in the correct range (just want to simplify for people). If you want to use a higher grade alcohol, that is fine, but just make sure that you are adding more water as needed to bring the total alcohol content down as close as you can to 7%. If you go under 4% it will not help that much and the peptide will degrade faster. If you go over 10% then the peptide will start clumping together.
Prior post by Sciwalk:

"The peptide, in raw form, should be kept in the freezer.
Once a vial has been mixed, it should be kept in the refrigerator, so, yes, cold and dark.
The tests we ran on longevity of peptide was done with a wide range of alcohol contents, from as low as what you find in bacterostatic water (often around .10%) up to a full grain alcohol at 70%. We took each vial in and out of the fridge every day for a period of time to replicate normal use and tested the purity at 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 6 weeks, 8 weeks, 10 weeks, 12 weeks and then at 24 weeks. Based on those findings is why we proposed, to simplify things for most people, adding 50% sterile water, then adding 50% table wine to get you near to 7% and allowing the peptide to last at a full >98% for 45 days +."

[pleb]

i had the same problem and made my sterile water i used tap water brought it to the boil in a small stainless saucepan and left it simmering for about 30 minutes,

then used it after it had cooled,

[hav]

I guess I was hoping for an alternative method for mixing other then alcohol. I assume the alcohol is just being used to preserve the solution a bit longer.

My wife, having quit drinking for many years, was a little leery about using alcohol as a preservative too. But she went along with it since the amount was so low. Her weekly (5-day) batch consists of 8 drops of distilled water plus 2 drops of 100 proof vodka... for a total solution of 2 drops a day. But I mix up fresh batches weekly so I wonder if adding the preservative is really that important under those circumstances.

I was also wondering if anyone has tried a little methylene blue in place of alcohol as an epithalon preservative?

Howard