Thanks for the info Sciwalk. It is good to have that here to reference because there is much discussion of the subject by some with perhaps not enough research preceding it. I only I I don't spend much of my time on preparation of this particular peptide. I never decided on a method to prepare drops or mix wine or any of the good stuff, and while adhering to safety and storage procedures(desiccants work great), I pull a vial of peptide out of the fridge and spoon a few milligrams out of the vial onto a milligram scale, returning it to the refrigerator in less than a minute. I have then popped it under my tonged but that's just me. I figured I would get more rigorous about it but I haven't. It seemed worth mentioning as I had never heard anyone else doing it that way. I thought there might be some points brought up I had not thought about of why I should not do it that way and needed to have a specific molarity and ph, solution in order to store maximally or administer properly.Osmosis
In order for a nutrient to be effectively absorbed sublingually, it needs to be able to travel across the buccal mucous membranes; by a process of diffusion known as osmosis which applies to all forms of absorption by the body; governing both intestinal and sublingual absorption. The distribution of water across cell walls depends on the osmotic difference in the blood between the intracellular and extracellular fluid. The distribution of water across blood vessel walls is determined by the in-vivo osmotic pressure of plasma and the total outward hydrostatic pressure. Unlike the cell membrane, the capillary wall is freely and rapidly permeable to small molecules. The diffusion of water accross a membrane that is only permeable to water depends on the molecular weight of the particle. Small particles that readily dissolve in water, rarely present a problem in permeation and diffusion, and so are able to move freely between the tissues of the body. Active transportation into cells leads to rapid metabolism of the substances. Molecules such as glucose (fructose) and amino acids are essential for cell metabolism and special mechanisms have evolved to facilitate their rapid diffusion and permeation across cell membranes.
Taken from : http://www.positiveh.....<br /><br />This was a discussion about, a question about, the ability for AEDG to be absorbed subliqual if placed in powder form under the tongue. As your saliva would dissolve it instantly the answer would be yes. There was never a question raised about it being able to be absorbed subliqual except by you, Authentic.
A very large protein in the order of 300 amino acids can be as small as 3nm. AEDG is only 4 amino acids and disolves in water, so much so, to the extent that 50mg can resolve into 1 - 2 drops of water.
As for your assertion that I am the supplier for Super Smart, I guess I need to ask you, where is your documentation? Or, I could simply tell you the truth, "No". But it does not really matter what I say as far as you are concerned, you will just argue the point and I am not here to argue with you, just to answer questions if someone asks and I have an answer.
Have a nice day!
Epitalon (Split from Astragalus thread)
#871
Posted 18 September 2013 - 07:27 PM
#872
Posted 18 September 2013 - 07:31 PM
#873
Posted 18 September 2013 - 08:16 PM
That's a good point. I'm keeping it surrounded by desiccant but I think I will go ahead and mix it. Thanks.i think the main concern is that each time you open the vial air will enter and eventually clog it into an unmanageable lump due to moisture in the air,
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#874
Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:39 PM
You can review it here. http://www.longecity...arker-of-aging/
#875
Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:42 PM
I wish I had some product to sell you but I just don't. All I can do is poke holes in some ridiculous statements made here by people who do
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you mean the ridiculous statement, like every peptide or hormone made in china is rubbish
You're right not all peptides made in China are rubbish. But wouldn't you rather get them from a Canadian, American or European rGMP lab with ISO9001 certification rather than an uncertified lab in China? It is possible for about the same price to buy first-world made peptides in any number of certified labs. Those certified labs though don't bother to post on our forum
Dreamer mis-spoke when he said that there was any scientific data or references regarding sublingual application of Epitalon. The inventor of Epitalon and every published study has administered it via injection. It might work via sublingual, but there is no previous study or data to show how much is too much, nor how much is enough when using it sublingual. Caveat Emporer of course.
If anyone wants to buy them from Sciwalk in China (Dreamer will assist you if you want a "group buy" instead of an individual purchase) here is the information from earlier in the threads. He says he's not handling sales directly but he probably still is.
By the way, just a heads up folks, I no longer am personally handling sales of the AGAG. You now need to go through Biotrends directly and also let you know that it seems there will be a few changes.
1. The contact email for sales for them is sales@biotrendshk.com
2. They have not listed it yet so you need to let them know what you are after, "Epitalon", that is the name by which they will sell it.
3. They are going to sell it in single vials (50mg), no 100mg MOQ like I needed to do.
4. They can send through regular mail, takes longer but is much cheaper if someone wants to go that route.
5. In about 2 weeks they will stop the 4 for 3 vial offer.
http://hk1014319023....ontactinfo.html
Mr. Hugo Walker
Job Title: Marketing Director
#876
Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:57 PM
do you think people on here just look at companies on here, i would imagine most trawl the net which includes every country selling these things,
tell me why i can buy HGH Jintropin at 10th the price of the same stuff made by Elli lilly, when the guy who developed the process of using E Coli worked for lilly then returned to china and now has his own company in china his name was Jin lee perhaps his first name may give you a clue, thats the nasty chinese stuff you keep blathering about
#877
Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:30 AM
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Pleb if you PM me I'll find you at least 4 labs in the UK that will produce Epitalon for you, their pricing will likely be in line with what you paid before BUT even if they're more "you get what you pay for". At least though you'd know there was less risk. You could also join Datbtrue and they'd help you obtain whatever peptides you need I think. Being in England gives you an good advantage!
#878
Posted 19 September 2013 - 12:42 AM
and i probably will have heard of the labs here in the UK and already have compared their prices, and minimum amounts not just for Epitalon but the others i am interested in ,
genscience has a seperate website for ordering jin and you have to buy 5 kits 100iu per kit the same with IGf1long3
also tell me where you have the the proof that the cheaper HGH can cause long term health problems once again its rumour
yes in many ways it is an advantage we can import almost any peptide or other medication as long as we don't sell it and it is for our own use,legally and without the customs stopping it and confiscating it as long as we pay the duty on it,
Edited by pleb, 19 September 2013 - 12:47 AM.
#879
Posted 19 September 2013 - 01:49 AM
#880
Posted 19 September 2013 - 02:20 AM
I only posted what is on the manufacturers website about fakes, I didn't write that I just copied and pasted it.
1todd I wish this thread was more "Authentic" like the C60 threads, but on those threads we don't have people trying to sell us product.
#881
Posted 19 September 2013 - 04:10 AM
I wish the B.S. would stop on this board......Authentic please go pound sand and don't come back. You've ruined this board imo
+1
#882
Posted 19 September 2013 - 11:08 PM
I wish the B.S. would stop on this board......Authentic please go pound sand and don't come back. You've ruined this board imo
+ 1 for me as well!
My update, got my epitalon dosage down to 1 ml before bed, great sleep, no memory of dreams unfortunately....Have now been on it 1 month today and C60 now for 3 weeks have reduced that dosage to daily 2 ml as well. My facial skin does feel firmer, saging skin under jawline is a bit better and think it could be due to epitalon but again would like to say I also do dermal rollering weekly with the use homemade vit C & retinol.
The C60 taken half an before exercise has been so much help in my opinion for getting me into (didn't do or like cardio before) and making it easier to keep up the exercise. Also like to mention here that I do fitness regimen that is called peak 8 exercises which increases your HGH naturally in your body.
So with all this can feel progress happening.... How is everyone else doing? Any updates?
#883
Posted 20 September 2013 - 12:02 AM
A thread dedicated to genuine experiences sounds great to me (especially since you say I ruined this one with my cautions), what do you think? Pleb, Solarfingers and others who have unbiased opinions would be key.
#884
Posted 22 September 2013 - 09:26 PM
It's making my hair grow.
Really? In a noticeable way? Hugo's before/after pics were pretty impressive. Kind of verging on 'too good to be true', though in this day and age I hold out hope that something will prove to be truly amazing, as many things already have. However, I've been waiting for a replication. So far, I haven't heard much. To date, this has led me to surmise that there's less to epitalon than meets they eye. Is there any decent evidence that's not the case?
#885
Posted 23 September 2013 - 01:45 AM
#886
Posted 23 September 2013 - 02:45 AM
I have taken a break from the Epitalon since the 26th of last month. I had slowly built up my daily sub-q dosage until I was at 15mg a day. I was at 15mg/day for 2 weeks straight. On the 14th day I was feeling unwell, with a strange light headedness and a very unpleasant feeling in my stomach. The symptoms subsided after 2 days. No other effects were noticed. Next month I intend to start again at 1mg/day sub-q.
How did you decide on dosing at 1 mg sub-q?
That seems to be a very high dose, as I've heard that 300 mcg was as potent as 3 mg sublingual.
#887
Posted 23 September 2013 - 03:33 AM
I have taken a break from the Epitalon since the 26th of last month. I had slowly built up my daily sub-q dosage until I was at 15mg a day. I was at 15mg/day for 2 weeks straight. On the 14th day I was feeling unwell, with a strange light headedness and a very unpleasant feeling in my stomach. The symptoms subsided after 2 days. No other effects were noticed. Next month I intend to start again at 1mg/day sub-q.
How did you decide on dosing at 1 mg sub-q?
That seems to be a very high dose, as I've heard that 300 mcg was as potent as 3 mg sublingual.
I didn't find any info on a good sub-q dosage, so I randomly picked 1mg. Would you care to share where you found that 300mcg sub-q is approx equivalent to 3mg sublingual?
#888
Posted 23 September 2013 - 03:47 AM
I have taken a break from the Epitalon since the 26th of last month. I had slowly built up my daily sub-q dosage until I was at 15mg a day. I was at 15mg/day for 2 weeks straight. On the 14th day I was feeling unwell, with a strange light headedness and a very unpleasant feeling in my stomach. The symptoms subsided after 2 days. No other effects were noticed. Next month I intend to start again at 1mg/day sub-q.
How did you decide on dosing at 1 mg sub-q?
That seems to be a very high dose, as I've heard that 300 mcg was as potent as 3 mg sublingual.
I didn't find any info on a good sub-q dosage, so I randomly picked 1mg. Would you care to share where you found that 300mcg sub-q is approx equivalent to 3mg sublingual?
150 mcg once or twice a day was said on Clinical Grade Peptides page - http://clinicalgrade...t&product_id=32 - I think I saw a post that linked the Clinical Grade Peptides page and the author of the post said that it was equivalent to 3 mg sub-lingual, but I don't remember the author of that post.
Also, sciwalk said that he did 500 mcg sub-q for a while.
However, sciwalk questioned the veracity of the recommended dose on CGP's page.
Jule it might be a good idea to start a new thread dedicated to Epitalon experiences only. Ideally the two Epitalon marketers Dreamer and Sciwalk will stay off of that thread and I'll stay off of it too. My only goal right now is to make sure that people who read the thread aren't given false information about Epitalon by people trying to sell it to them.
A thread dedicated to genuine experiences sounds great to me (especially since you say I ruined this one with my cautions), what do you think? Pleb, Solarfingers and others who have unbiased opinions would be key.
I've been silently watching as you introduce intrigue, negativity and a curious seeming need to fight with people into this forum.
So, as one who wishes that this forum would stick to providing information that we each have to weigh independently - due diligence - we don't need you stirring up controversy and bad vibes - personal attacks and such - and wish that you would learn to edit yourself.
I guess that would mean shutting up a lot more than you seem to be capable of doing.
#889
Posted 23 September 2013 - 07:00 AM
we don't need you stirring up controversy and bad vibes - personal attacks and such
Who is to say what participants in this forum need or don't need?
I don't mind Authentic's posts.
Any effort to bring a bit of rigorous thinking to this thread is welcome, to my mind.
Edited by blood, 23 September 2013 - 07:02 AM.
#890
Posted 10 October 2013 - 12:15 AM
so Im going to ask a question here.
In fact this thread seems to be the most active discussion
on epithalon anywhere on the web!
Im trying to discover the ingredients of epithalon
and whether it is vergetarian(or even vegan) ?
I suspect not - as the words vegetatian and epithalon almost
never appear on the same webpage,
and if it were from vegetable sources I suspect they would trumpet this information.
Can anyone enlighten me as to the ingredients
and the general method of manufacture ?
Thanks ~ Narada
#891
Posted 10 October 2013 - 12:46 AM
Amino Acids are added to a medium with a reagent to help them bind, in reverse order, over a period of time.
Once complete, the peptide is filtered, washed and freeze dried.
This is an extremely simplistic answer. If you want to know how peptides are produced, there is a lot of information on line, at the library or at your local university.
Cheers
#892
Posted 10 October 2013 - 12:58 PM
It's making my hair grow.
Really? In a noticeable way? Hugo's before/after pics were pretty impressive. Kind of verging on 'too good to be true', though in this day and age I hold out hope that something will prove to be truly amazing, as many things already have. However, I've been waiting for a replication. So far, I haven't heard much. To date, this has led me to surmise that there's less to epitalon than meets they eye. Is there any decent evidence that's not the case?
Hello niner,
I would say it was quite noticable... my hair was growing at a very slow rate. My hair began thinning and was very thin at around the age of 47 till at the age of 50 I decided enough was enough and started on Monoxidil and generic Propecia. It stopped the loss and I had a great deal of baby hair growth but after two years it just wasn't filling in and I kept a crew cut to hide the fact. After three months of Epitalion my hair began growing like gange-busters and I decided to let it go. I'm still a bit thin but I feel comfortable with the look now. It's hard to say about my physical appearance since I haven't taken the time to look at any before and after pics. The problem is that I have started my age-defying regiment all at the same time and it would be hard to nail it down to just being Epitalion yet I do suspect it has been helpful. IMHO
Thanks...
#893
Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:48 AM
I started with epitalon last sunday. The first noticeable effect is lucid dreaming. It's like going to the movies when I fall asleep :-) It feels like a solid 8 hours of very intense dreaming
I take 3 mg a day.
I'll keep try you posted on a regular basis.
Cheers,
Simon
#894
Posted 22 November 2013 - 09:54 PM
#895
Posted 23 November 2013 - 02:03 AM
Sounds great, I've tried a couple of things to induce lucid dreaming chemically (melatonin, calea zacatechichi, galantamine, centrophenoxine) and haven't seen a huge difference. Bobinsana was next on my list, but now I am convinced that at one point I should give Epitalon a shot.Hi @,
I started with epitalon last sunday. The first noticeable effect is lucid dreaming. It's like going to the movies when I fall asleep :-) It feels like a solid 8 hours of very intense dreaming
I take 3 mg a day.
I'll keep try you posted on a regular basis.
Cheers,
Simon
#896
Posted 23 November 2013 - 12:02 PM
#897
Posted 23 November 2013 - 02:21 PM
I'm 42What is ur age Simon? kinda interesting to know I think
#898
Posted 23 November 2013 - 02:34 PM
#899
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