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....And Nootropic Stack Log. :D


Well, before In even begin - this whole log presumes that the Aniracetam capsules that I ordered from a site is authentic and effective and is actually Aniracetam!

Anyway, now that we've got that over with - Aniracetam!

Irregardless of any other supplements I took in the morning, I decided to take Aniracetam with DMAE and CDP-Choline as soon as Aniracetam and DMAE arrived today.

Thus,

I took:

- two 500mg Aniracetam capsules.
- one 350mg DMAE capsule (Country Life with vitamin B6 and Pantothenic Acid)
- one 250mg CDP-Choline capsule.

This was all taken with a light bread snack.

Then five minutes later, I said "Ah, what the heck, let's experiment!"

And added:

- another three 500mg Aniracetam capsules
- and another single 350mg DMAE capsule.

(Altogether, in that mid-afternoon batch: 2500mg of Aniracetam, 700mg of DMAE, 250mg of CDP-Choline.)

BTW, I weigh about 67-70kg and am 5'7/8; aged 19 and slim muscular.

Now, to the experience:

Well, after reading many different experiences of others, I did think something grand and amazing would happen, but it didn't. For a short time, I did believe that I had more focus and concentration whilst, but not really as I already had good focus and concentration beforehand and it could have been a little placebo effect.

My vision wasn't any better than it was.

Music didn't sound better than it was - even though I did put on Beethoven's Fourth, this time by a different conductor and orchestra just to see if it would; but I think it was the different orchestra that sounded really good and not the Aniracetam; but I can't be too sure....

The only subtle differences that I found was a slightly more confident memory than usual and a slightly more pronounced episodic memory (???) which saw me actually randomly stopping my work at times and vividly going back to random memories - but this was only occassionally.

The annoying thing about the just mentioned subtle experience is that those subtle differences could actually have been down to the DMAE and CDP-Choline and the Vitamin Bs in the DMAE capsule....

Anyway, first experiences are nothing to go by; but I will continue to see how this works out.

Lastly; my actual daily stack:

Morning

- One 1360mg Fish Oil capsule (which has total 950mg of Omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA and 17% RDA of Vitamin E)
- Now, Two 250mg CDP-Choline capsules.
- One 350 mg DMAE (which additionally has around 500% [10mg] of Vitamin B6 and around 500% [50mg] of Pantothenic Acid)
- Two 60mg (so 120mg) Blueberry Extract capsules
- One 125mg of DMG, Dimethyl-Glycine (so-called Vitamin B15 or something)
- One capsule of Vitamin B Complex (5mg B1, 7.5mg B2, 12.5mg of Niacin, 50mg Pantothenic Acid, 5mg B6, 12.5ug B12, 200ug of Folic Acid, 50ug Biotin, 125mg Choline Bitartrate, 125mg Inositol, 25mg PABA)
- One Iron+Vit C capsule (60mg of Vit C, 14mg Iron)
- One 500mg ALCAR capsule

All with my breakfast.

Afternoon (i.e.Lunch) or with Dinner




- One 1360mg Fish Oil capsule (which has total 950mg of Omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA and 17% RDA of Vitamin E)
- One 350 mg DMAE (which additionally has around 500% [10mg] of Vitamin B6 and around 500% [50mg] of Pantothenic Acid)
- One 60mg (so 120mg) Blueberry Extract capsules
- One 125mg of DMG, Dimethyl-Glycine (so-called Vitamin B15 or something)
- One capsule of Vitamin B Complex (5mg B1, 7.5mg B2, 12.5mg of Niacin, 50mg Pantothenic Acid, 5mg B6, 12.5ug B12, 200ug of Folic Acid, 50ug Biotin, 125mg Choline Bitartrate, 125mg Inositol, 25mg PABA)
- One 500mg ALCAR capsule

Night (before bed etc)

- 2-3 500mg Inositol capsules.

EDIT: Also, from tomorrow it would be one 500mg Aniracetam capsule in the morning and another 500mg capsule in the evening.

Also, next week I plan to buy and add to my stack:

- Vinpocetine
- Idebenone
- Tyrosine
- Oxiracetam and/or Pramiracetam
- Noopept
- (Possibly PQQ, Pyrroloquinoline quinone)

Any other suggestions of highly effective nootropics?

Edited by Sovr'gnChancellor£, 06 January 2012 - 08:14 PM.

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

I am also going to add Magnesium L-Threonate to those new additions.

(Mods: How come I can't edit my starter post??)

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

UPDATE:

Actually, on that first day of taking Aniracetam, I only had subtle effects show up much later, like in the night (so more than 2-4 hours after taking it). It was okay, but not impressive or shocking.

Today was alright, but not much noticeable effects and I have a suspicion that the still-present subtle effects may be a placebo effect.

Also, regarding my current stack:

I have found that tiredness and intellectual fatigue has decreased considerably - however, my ability to stay working and reading has decreased more than it was before the stack.

Even though I'm not tired and have no problem concentrating or focussing, the intellectual curiosity and drive that was present before my stack seems to have decreased somewhat.. however this could be due to extreme sexual exhaustion from last month - so, I am abstaining to recover and hope to recover my former intellectual drive. And due to messing about too much last month, my proneness to addiction has increased, so even though I try hard to focus on uni work, I still find myself mindlessly surfing the net for hours - probably why I'm not noticing great effects from my stack and Aniracetam...

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

Okay - third day of Aniracetam.

It works... or at least something is working.

Today, I decided to actually knuckle down to some work and put away the laptop until the evening.

And when I actually got down to some work, I didn't feel tired or lethargic or lazy. The day just flowed and now, being on the internet, I don't feel any guilt as all I feel is a sense of accomplishment as I actually got a lot of work done today.

And it's certainly stronger than a simple placebo effect - but today was much more different leading me to believe that either Aniracetam is beginning to actually noticeably work or the potential of my stack is steadily increasing - or a mixture of both!

The reason why today was different is that my head felt clear today, my mood was stable and bright and motivation was strong, steady and ongoing. The days before, my head didn't feel greatly clear and I kept being distracted and shooting off online - but my discipline has steadily increased, hence why I wasn't online until about 7pm in the evening, after actually having studied all day.

Another noticeable thing is my memory. Now, my memory wasn't dire before my stack, but I can say that it is now much much more confident and strengthened - both long-term and working memory. This is clearly not a placebo effect as I can confidently remember a great deal of what I have been studying the days beforehand and link relevant information together.

My sleep has also been much better with me sleeping all the way through without waking up intermittently. I have had dreams on every single night since and remembered them all in detail throughout the day, apart from last night's dream.

Social confidence is up and down - I can't attribute any negative or positive effects from my stack as of yet.

Today was also different, as I woke up later, so I took all of my stack in the morning instead of splitting it into morning and afternoon doses.

The only thing that gets to me is that people talk about the liver being effected by taking supplements - what does that mean? What effects?

[Lojiko]

Then five minutes later, I said "Ah, what the heck, let's experiment!"

And added:

- another three 500mg Aniracetam capsules
- and another single 350mg DMAE capsule.

Ha, like a boss!

Personally, Pyritinol is a favorite of mine. Vitamin B6 aids in the conversion of L-Tyrosine to DA, so that where I think the kick comes from.

This morning I took 1200mg Pyritinol coupled with 2250mg Aniracetam (both Cognitive Nutrition brand). Let's just say I'm awake a ready to go. Followed that up with 500mg ALCAR, 300mg ALA, 300mg Alpha-GPC, 300mg Siliphos, 850mg Ribose, 1000mg Arginine AKG, and two caps of Vimmortal. I'll let you know if it makes a difference.

Personally, I'm a big fan of PQQ (I add that in mid-day).

Edited by Lojiko, 10 January 2012 - 01:01 PM.

[KDee]

I've been taking 1 x 750 mg Aniracetam for a fortnight now (excluding weekends) along with 1000 mg fish oil & 250 mg Vit. B complex). I notice that i get really tired easily around 11 AM, (I take all of these at 8-9 AM) And is it true you'd need at least 3-4 weeks to notice the effects? Btw im around 103 lbs , 5'1 female. I experience headaches and i get really tired just around 3-4 hours after i take Aniracetam. Is that normal? It's really hard to find choline (as seen on previous posts i noticed how important it was) But is that the cause of my tiredness and headaches? If so how much choline or what else could i take , Thanks!

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

I've temporarily halted my stack.

I've had some exams this week and have some next week.

But I sincerely suspect that *something* in my stack created huge issues in my life (and I am leaning towards thinking it's Aniracetam).

Basically, I was worried about a few exams - however, in the past I have been worried about exams but never ever seriously.

But this week, I very nearly had a nervous breakdown or some sort of outrageous depression coupled with *near*-suicidal feeling (OK maybe not suicidal, but it was at a point where I had *near*-suicidal feeling). Anyway, it was horrible and a cup of coffee that I had seemed to severely heighten those low feelings!

In addition to that, my head has been more fuzzy than usual (not clear and not free but with a feeling of constraints).

So, I've halted it and I'm no longer too sure about Aniracetam, but I plan to test it on its own (with choline sources) for a week some time down the line to double check that it is that which is causing issues.

However, I can say that the Oxiracetam is good. My memory was confident and I even felt socially confident. But I've stopped that too along with everything else just to take a breather because taking that whole stack suddenly made my life one tense existence to the point where I was beginning to believe if I would live until a ripe old age if I was already beginning to feel funny and at-my-world's-end at 19!

Anyway, I'll post back with updates and with a possible one week+ trials of Aniracetam alone and Oxiracetam alone.

Right now, I'm going to stay away from anything with the worst thing I'm taking being Fish Oil and Amino Acids!

[KDee]

Is choline necessary? because it's quite difficult to take it in Australia, but i'm not sure if its deficiency is the source of my headaches being tired.
My daily stack was 1000mg fishoil x 1 vit b x1 750g aniracetamx1 And i've been on it for a fortnight so far because i've heard that you needed at least 3-4 weeks to feel it kick in. Is that true?

Edited by KDee, 16 January 2012 - 11:28 AM.

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

Is choline necessary? because it's quite difficult to take it in Australia, but i'm not sure if its deficiency is the source of my headaches being tired.
My daily stack was 1000mg fishoil x 1 vit b x1 750g aniracetamx1 And i've been on it for a fortnight so far because i've heard that you needed at least 3-4 weeks to feel it kick in. Is that true?

Apparently, popular opinion says that choline should always be taken with racetams - this is to replenish the acetyl-choline in the brain as the racetams make the brain use up more choline. You are probably getting headaches and feeling tired because you're not getting enough choline whilst taking the racetams.

If you can't get choline in Australia, you could eat eggs which are a rich source of it. (But I'm sure choline should be easy to get anyway, as it's not a drug or anything - it's even in Vitamin B complex supplements etc).

Also, many say that some racetams only show their true quality when taken for a period of time, say, several weeks for example. I believe Aniracetam is one of those racetams, but I just couldn't handle it at this current moment in time.

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

I've been taking some supplements intermittently and at erratic times - without sticking to a clear, cut stack.

I've only taken the aniracetam and oxiracetam once ever since I stopped them and they were taken together - not much was noticed; but I shouldn't be surprised as they're meant to be taken consistently for a longer period of time in order to see their benefits.

However, today, some Piracetam arrived from abroad (legal to import into the UK, illegal to sell/buy in UK without prescription). The products themselves ( 60 1200mg Geratam tablets and 100 800mg Piracetam AL tablets) were damn cheap, so much so that the delivery costs were higher than their total price combined !!

Anyway, I was really very pleased with their layout (officially looking tablets and box - in short, it was in the form that people get prescription meds in [after all, it is a prescription med!]).

All together, I have taken 3 1200mg tablets throughout the day. Even better, I had a psychology perception etc test today, so it was good in order to test out the effect of the piracetam.

Without further ado, I can say that Piracetam is effective and worked very well today.

After it arrived, I took 1 tablet with CDP Choline and DMAE after eating. I knuckled down to some work (this was after a few days of messing about and escaping into lower forms of pleasure to put off the daunting prospect of work). I was productive, consistently motivated and maintained a stabilized and bright mood. No brain fog - no comedown depression or raciness.

In reference to the raciness, I did however feel a confident and fast-paced learning ability - i.e. that I could learn some new things swiftly without messing about and delaying.

What made me aware that it was actually working, was the cognitive intelligence etc testing today. I was never not bright before taking nootropics, but there were times before when low moods may have severely effected productivity, learning, work output etc.

Anyway, during the testing etc, my ability to observe and identify patterns was heightened and strengthened and focus was intense for at least an hour before needing a break. In some of the tests, a strong ability would have made one cruise through the tests - and that's exactly what I did! My logical thinking was through the roof and I was actively engaging myself in solving the problems and picking the correct answer. I spotted patterns almost instantly and even sometimes had brief intellectual fun using different methods to arrive at the same correct answer!

I was also confident and happy. But what even shocked me even more today was my smiling. Now, sometimes (possibly due to some previous life experiences and consequent attitudes), sometimes when I used to smile and laugh whilst talking to people, my smiles and laughs were fake (even I knew they were) and people used to perceive this easily and think I didn't like/had a problem with them etc. I didn't have an issue with them most of the time but I didn't quite understand why I fake-smiled so much and I sometimes felt quite down after these instances of failed successful social interaction.

Anyway, today! Today, ALL of my smiles/smirks/laughs/interactions were genuine. This fact is reinforced by the fact that everybody I interacted with returned an equally genuine smile back (unlike at other times, when people would frown or equally fake-smile)!

Piracetam is clearly great for social interaction (a few internet searches showed me others' experiences etc). But I was really very happy about this, because this area of my life was something that constantly brought me down.

Concentration, motivation and focus were much better - especially (as I've already mentioned) as I've been constantly wasting time with escapism into the lowest of the lowest pleasures (I'm sure you know what I mean ).

The funny thing is, Aniracetam and Pramiracetam for example, are meant to be many times "stronger" than piracetam! Either, the aniracetam I've got it NOT Aniracetam (i.e. fake) and is something else or it's simply faulty or ineffective etc.

The oxiracetam did work a bit, but there was a degree of speedy uncomfortableness, but not too bad.

Piracetam seems to have worked better than Oxiracetam and Aniracetam (I'm yet to try Pramiracetam) and I'd rather use this than those others.

Also, in order to make my observations more accurate, I only used Piracetam today alone with fish oil and choline sources and no other racetams or anything else.

I will continue to "attack dose" for a few more days before settling down into a rhythm.

More later.

P.S. Music (as in classical) sounds much better than usual; even after the night before of multiple orgas... (yes, you know what I mean - as after things like that, I'm never able to reach a constant high state of mind the next day and for a few days after).

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

Update:

Wow, Piracetam is great! I already feel my impulse control and executive function improving within a couple of days - I am aware of this, as I have been having issues with the onset of possible addictions (orgasm, porn etc) and it has began to be a problem. So, I decided yesterday to abstain for some time from all of that after so many failures.

So, I believe Piracetam is having a profound effect on the frontal cortex (which it is indeed reputed to do, as I've recently researched online!) and some intellectual curiosity and work ethic is beginning to return - but I am by no means at a high point in my life yet; but it is only a matter of time...

Concentration and focus is returning to previous good levels; I have high hopes that it will surpass this as I am of course recovering from sexual exhaustion.

So far, I have only taken 2 1200mg tablets, with one more possible one if I am to study soon.

And once again, I am aware of increasing rationality and logical thinking being consistently present in my personality - it is refreshing as this was how it was pre-nootropics and pre-any substance!

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

Piracetam is the bomb!

On my second day of taking it (once again, 3 1200mg tablets, even though I always plan to take 4 tablets as an attack dose for a few days), I had one of the most vivid, realistic and interesting dreams which involved a ship (as in a space-ship) crashing down into a city (a futuristic city which was under construction [yes, under construction! That's how vivid and ridiculously life-like it was!]) and me riding on a train through the futuristic city and into another futuristic city (where, incidentally, I saw a huge skyscraper which had the vivid logo "House of Fraser" [haha, a department store!] on the top!).

Also, whilst I was riding on this train, I saw other weird trains which had men on horses pulling the train along! I also vividly saw construction work going on in the city and thought to myself that it was going to look good after it was all finished! I also remember feeling awe and amazement at both cities (almost as if I was some sort of tourist!) I also remembered thinking to myself rationally that horse-drawn trains were weird, especially at the level of technology that I was seeing in the city (but then again, thinking back, they may not have been passenger trains, they could have just been commerce horse-drawn trains on tracks!)

What a wild dream - and I am 95% sure it was all due to Piracetam! Very entertaining and refreshing and I felt better when I woke up as I now not only live in one world, but I can go to many worlds! Life is about to get a whole lot interesting!

Fu*k Oxiracetam and Aniracetam; Piracetam is actually producing results that I can no longer confidently attribute to placebo - I don't even have to think about it working, it just does!

I will endeavour to take 4 tablets today; but I may end up taking 3 again just because of the time in the day etc.

Incidentally, I don't always take it on a full stomach, sometimes I take it on an empty stomach and it still works.

More later.

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

Update for today:

Well, it's still all more praises for this racetam.

To even further reinforce the fact that it's working, I've stopped searching compulsively for more nootropics at the moment (although, I do confess that I am interested in exploring Modafinil and possibly plan to buy it in a week from an online pharmacy!).

I've actually only taken two tablets today - the effects are still showing.

What I am very happy about is the fact that my intellectual interest has returned - for example, I am now consistently motivated to study and read around texts and also explore other areas unrelated to my degree; just like old times!

So, in summary, I've not responded that well to Oxiracetam and Aniracetam, but I've responded amazingly to Piracetam. Aniracetam is said to be many times stronger than Piracetam - I now find that hard to believe (or my pills are fake and not Aniracetam).

Also, I'm interested: Piracetam seems more credible, e.g in that it comes in traditional prescription format, yet Aniracetam and others do not. What does this suggest? That the others (i.e. Aniracetam, Oxiracetam, Pramiracetam and Nefiracetam) are lesser than Piracetam? Even more so, I can easily buy the other racetams from within my country, yet Piracetam can only be imported without a prescription or bought from any pharmacy with a prescription. I believe in the US, this is also the case as like in other countries?

Why is Piracetam regulated and the other four racetams not?

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

OK, so today 30/01/2012, I've decided to try a five+ day trial of Aniracetam alone.

Of course, I have to take choline with it. So the trial as follows:

2 Fish Oil capsules.

2 500mg Aniracetam after first meal; 2 more in the afternoon.

2 250mg CDP Choline capsules and 1 350mg DMAE capsule along with first dose of Aniracetam; repeat in afternoon as well.

And lastly, 3 daily caps of Swanson Magnesium L-Threonate.

I've stopped all other supplements and tried to narrow down any other supps to the above alone, so as to try to make the experiment go as well as possible. I will also be investing in lots and lots of fruit and veg to make up for the absence of all the other herbs and nootropics that I've stopped for this experiment.

I was feeling mildly tired this morning and still am even after my morning dose of Aniracetam. However, I was quite alert and concentrated well and had enough drive to study. I'll be taking the next dose in a couple of hours.

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

Right, well the five day trial ended on day 2. The negatives just began to outweigh the positives.

On the whole, the Aniracetam was alright, but it seemed to just make me tired and seemed to sap my brain energy after the first dose.

So, I've since stopped it and I don't have high hopes for it. Although, on the other hand, I have strong suspicions that it is a really bad quality of Aniracetam (courtesy of a dodgy online supplier) or it's not Aniracetam at all (also courtesy of a dodgy online supplier!).

Also, as part of a greater initiative to increase general self-control, self-determination and self-awareness, I have since ceased all use of all supplements (at first it is a five day plan, but it may increase) and I now live on vegetables, fruit and me and myself alone.

If I do decide to take any supplements after this plan (however long it continues), I will take one or two instead of a whole cocktail of supps. I may also take it when urgently needed or during times of great stress and great need for high mental acuity - however, I am already becoming quite comfortable and confident in myself alone, so maybe not even then.

Also as part of the initiative, I have ceased all personal listening to any music (not because it's bad, but simply to increase self-control and self-awareness and have more energy).

Regarding the ceasing of all supplements, I must say that I thought that I would be the worse for it and I would start to get Alzheimer's or something haha.

But no - if anything I am the cleverer for it. It seems that the supps have only begun working even better now that I'm off them.

My working memory is very good; any better in the next few weeks and I could have a prodigious memory if I try hard enough.

Depression and low moods have been absence (possibly half due to the last high dose of inositol I took a few days ago) and sleep is quite nice with dreams seen and remembered all the more better and clearly (also possibly due to the last dose of inositol, but it could also be due to the absence of the cocktail of daily supps which may have contributed to the fogging of my brain and blunting of self-awareness).

I have also taken time in the past couple of days to think more about my life and plan and reflect. My intellectual interests have returned, if slowly and my reading speed and concentration is quite impressive.

However, there has been tiredness ever since stopping the supplements. The urge to nap in the middle of the day is at its most strongest - however, this could be due to less than optimum sleep at night, diet factors etc. In short, it's really nothing to worry about. But it is quite disconcerting when I have a high amount of studying to do quickly and I become lethargic.

Also, when I say the "ceasing of all supps", I mean all supps - not even a harmless Omega 3 capsule or vitamin capsule are being taken. Nothing whatsoever. If I lack energy during the day, I snack on a fruit or stand up and walk about or try to consciously stimulate and wake myself up - I have decided to not succumb to the help of a pill to wake me up. Of course I say this now - but it is true as I may have been becoming dependent on some things. And in reality, before all of this nootropic business, there never was really anything *wrong* with me - the only issue was self-control and self-discipline.

Anyway, don't take this as a goodbye (to anyone who happens to read this - if anybody!) - I may come back to test separate brain supps separately, like Rhodiola or Gotu Kola. But, I don't think the Racetams (even Piracetam) will be a daily occurrence anymore - there's just no need.

I'll be back.

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

Right, for the past few days, I've been using a combination of Vitamin B complex, Citicoline, Piracetam, Oxiracetam and now Aniracetam.

Even though, I previously only had bad things to say about Aniracetam, I may rescind those comments in a couple of days.

Basically, I have had important projects this week that need doing.

So, I began to take B Complex, Citicoline, Piracetam and Oxiracetam. I also took at least 5-7 500mg Tyrosine capsules in the morning on an empty stomach.

This combination thus boosted my mind and concentration and drive was sustained (even more so now that I'm abstaining from sex).

Today, I added Aniracetam to the stack and I can say that in combination with the above, it was an excellent academic experience. I was generally 'on top' of things and I even worked until the late hours of the night.

The previous undermining of confidence and feelings of dread that I used to suffer with Aniracetam were nonexistent. I believe that my brain had simply not adjusted fully and well to the new things that I was taking, but it also reinforces the proposition that Aniracetam is much more 'potent' than Piracetam in some aspects. Now that I've taken Piracetam and Oxiracetam for a short while, I seem to be able to handle Aniracetam better now.

This past few days have also sounded out the fact that nootropics do not show their best and brightest colours unless the person themselves is determined to work hard and plans and prepares. As Vernon Gant said in Limitless, "It works better if you're already smart"

Before, I would simply be taking the supps and working half-heartedly and not abstain.

Now, I abstain, don't watch any TV or movies, and generally work much harder and put more effort in.

(What is interesting [and worse, you could say] is that the great nootropic and self-enhancing effects I feel on these supps was present under two years ago when I was taking absolutely no supps....)

Anyway, I am pleased with my work ethic and mental sustenance and I can attribute a large part of it to the megadose of Tyrosine in the mornings.

My daily stack as follows -

In the morning:

5-7 500mg Tyrosine capsules as soon as I wake up.

I have been taking this for more than a week now and I can still confidently say that I feel the 'come up' effects - I actually feel myself wake up and be motivated to tackle the day. Not that I wouldn't be able to wake up and want to tackle the day, but the dosage of Tyrosine facilitates a swifter and more enhanced approach than normal.

At one time, I did take around 10 capsules at once on a morning, but I felt that this did not have the same effect as 5-7 capsules i.e. there was actually a noticeable 'crash' some hours later. With the dosage of 5-7 capsules, there isn't much of a noticeable crash, possibly light fatigue, but something that can be consciously pushed away if I'm doing something particularly important that requires focus and effort.

Nevertheless, I shall try 10 capsules some time later on when I have the new batch from NOW in tomorrow.

After breakfast:

I immediately take 1 750mg Oxiracetam cap, 1-2 1200mg Piracetam cap, 1 500mg Aniracetam cap, 1-2 250mg Citicoline cap and 2 B Complex tabs (the dosage is 2 tabs anyway).

And that's it! I don't have to take any top ups or anything.

Having said that, that is because I eat lots of fruits throughout the day and have nutritious meals. So far, there hasn't seemed to be any need to redose like one would with coffee.

So far, it's been good, but all eyes are on Aniracetam at the current moment. I am trying to experiment profusely with it in combination with the other racetams so as to consider whether it will work for my exams some months away. The last time I tried it for exams, it was mildly disastrous with a perpetually feeling of dread (but that could simply have been exam nerves in combination with the supp - now that I'm taking it in Peacetime, there doesn't seem to be much trouble).

Also, another theory I have regarding Aniracetam's failure last time and its working this time, is my recent commencement of Tyrosine in the morning. Maybe there was inadequate dopamine for the Aniracetam to work properly.

Yet, I wasn't aware that Aniracetam or any racetam in fact, had much to do with the utilization of dopamine stores?

That calls for some research.

To be continued....

[Kasra]

I've thoroughly enjoyed this. How long have you been on Tyrosine? On another thread chrono mentioned "A lot of people on the forum have mentioned that they develop a tolerance pretty quickly, like in the space of a week." Have you experienced any tolerance?

[Sovr'gnChancellor£]

I've thoroughly enjoyed this. How long have you been on Tyrosine? On another thread chrono mentioned "A lot of people on the forum have mentioned that they develop a tolerance pretty quickly, like in the space of a week." Have you experienced any tolerance?

Hi, thanks very much! I've actually made an entire thread about Tyrosine because it was so good:

http://www.longecity...chieved/unread/

I've actually been on it for less than a week. At first, I started small, but then I suddenly took 5, then 7 500mg capsules and that's when everything changed.

I took 7 500mg capsules on consecutive days and really transformed me; even when I was off it! I say off it, as I stopped it after those two days for fear of building a tolerance. I now plan to take it intermittently, but having started back just yet. Incidentally, I'm now also dabbling in Mucuna Pruriens first and exploring that before I go back to Tyrosine.

Also, when I stopped taking the Tyrosine, the beneficial effects still remained (as you'll read in that 'limitless' thread above) for at least a couple of days, before mildly decreasing....

[Kasra]

I've thoroughly enjoyed this. How long have you been on Tyrosine? On another thread chrono mentioned "A lot of people on the forum have mentioned that they develop a tolerance pretty quickly, like in the space of a week." Have you experienced any tolerance?

Hi, thanks very much! I've actually made an entire thread about Tyrosine because it was so good:

http://www.longecity...chieved/unread/

...

Cool. I'd appreciate it if you keep the log going. I'm curious to see how all this plays out for you in the medium/long term.

Edited by Kasra, 24 February 2012 - 10:45 PM.

[karma02]

Awesome log. Keep posting ts. Ty.

Edited by karma02, 06 April 2012 - 08:53 PM.

[KDee]

Props to the L-Tyrosine! Took it with 100mg Fish Oil 2xVit B and my 750mg Aniracetam, have to admit I was actually in an uplifted mood and everything seemed coherent. Took another one during the afternoon with Aniracetam and was more productive than usual. I was even expecting it to be ineffective (from other posts) but I beg to differ.

[karma02]

Props to the L-Tyrosine! Took it with 100mg Fish Oil 2xVit B and my 750mg Aniracetam, have to admit I was actually in an uplifted mood and everything seemed coherent. Took another one during the afternoon with Aniracetam and was more productive than usual. I was even expecting it to be ineffective (from other posts) but I beg to differ.

How much did you take ?

[KDee]

1x 500mg in the morning and 1x 500mg in the afternoon. I've been on it for every day that i need to cram/ study which was 3 days this week (and then i stopped because I was just generally saving the rest for another time.) So i can't comment on long term efficiency.

[KDee]

I've been on Tyrosine for every second day of the week (generally mon, wed, fri.) for the past month , taken x1 in the morning - with 1x fish oil 1x aniracetam 750mg 1x alpha GPC 750 mg and repeat again in the event around 6PM when I commence my studies. Its effects (from my experience) seem to be circumstantial and I think that I actually feel the effects of aniracetam now without a doubt.Disclaimer: I've been in preparation for my major assessments, and the past fortnight I was under extreme stress, so this may be a factor to its effectiveness.

First of all, I'd just like to suggest that upping the doses of Tyrosine really doesn't do anything or enhance its effects. After being on Aniracetam for 2 months. 1 month - only with the Alpha GPC, it was O.K - at times it put me in a state of tiredness, and at times i felt as though my ability to recall information was quite coherent. But on the second month, adding Tyrosine to the stack and splitting the doses periodically has a two tier factor. 1 - I got work DONE. Something that took me 3 hours probably was just done in about 1 and a half hours, and there was less clutter in my mind and i was able to tune out of distractions and went into intense studying. 2 - I guess this is the con, but I suspect aniracetam just killed off all my emotions and like Sovr'gn I was just burned out (this may be because i was subject to alot of pressure, but i think anircatem just dettached me of any creativity and emotion). It seemed as though i was able to approach things quickly in a logical and rational matter, but there were a few days when I wasn't on Aniracetam where I felt absolutely restless. Plus on days where i took Aniracetam with fish oil BUT without my Alpha GPC, I don't feel anything, it just seems hazy - in my personal opinion I think Alpha GPC was crucial to my stack, i would never skip it if i were to take aniracetam.
Hope this helps with future users!

Edited by KDee, 13 June 2012 - 04:22 AM.

[LowRider04]

Have enjoyed the blog but there is heaps of information to digest here. Any chance you could summarise you experience with each of the 'racetams in bullet point?

- Also did you experience any 'brain fog's' and how did you deal with it?

KDEE - I ordered choline through Cerebral Health to Aus and it was delivered no problems.

[Sen]

Aniracetam is useless without a fat source to help it absorb - otherwise you're virtually throwing it away. Definitely take it with a meal or cheese or something, but I tend to have a 1/4 - 1/2 teaspoon of sunflower/peanut oil with it to make sure. You need much less this way. Some people say fish oil capsules are enough. Lately I've been stirring capsules into a small amount of oil and waiting for it to absorb, a little tip I got from here I believe. You can even attempt to pour the solution into empty capsules and take them, but you'd have to be a bit pedantic like me :P

When I first took it I got a very strong dopamine-hit sort of feeling; I had a warm, cozy emotionality and a greater response to music, heightened vision, and, as a gamer, I noticed I was much better - faster/more acute. Aniracetam is unique in this aspect as it is a D2/5HT2A agonist, at least according to one elimination study (referenced on wiki, don't know about the link policy here). It should kick in around an hour after you've taken it and peak after about 3-4 hours - based on my own experience. Best not to take it after lunch as it can persist into the night and cause insomnia.

I took it as-needed but I would rarely go above 4 caps a day, so 3000mg, taken in two doses of 1500mg each. I started off at 1500mg/day. After about two weeks I noticed a big libido boost, which was pretty crazy. This almost seems to be sensitization of the receptors, but I'm not sure. It went away later on due to my poor lifestyle.

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The tiredness is exclusively because of choline. DMAE is relatively cheap and seems to help a bit, I use 400mg daily in two doses. ACh is always a hard thing to keep at adequate levels. I take Huperzine for an unrelated issue and find that it eliminates the problems I used to have, but I'm not suggesting anyone invest in that. I think a time-release/large dose choline supplement is the best thing to take regularly. There's one from Solaray I'm planning on getting soon. Choline will help with most if not all racetams, so it's not exclusive to ani.

Unfortunately for aniracetam it seems to be one of those things that works really well for some people and not at all for others, even with absorption considered. Then there are moments when it seems to not work as well as it used to. It's a racetam that's worth experimenting with long-term imo, as I think it can provide benefits other nootropics can't. It's just a tad capricious.

As a precaution, stacking nootropics/racetams can lead to some odd experiences (re: Sovr'nChancellor) without trial and error, or proper research - I only know this because I've spent hours reading user logs and seen a lot of input from experienced users. IMO it's better to bring things in piece by piece and wait for interactions. That way you can find a regimen that might last you a long time. I'm pretty lazy so that's not what I do, but it's the best way to go about it.

Hope this helped, all gleaned from personal experience of course. One month late, is this considered a threadsurrect?

Edited by Sen, 19 July 2012 - 05:25 PM.

[Pirate]

*threadsurrect*

how y'all going with that tyrosine/piracetam/aniracetam stack?

[thomasthomas]

Personally, I found that Tyrosine put me in to a totally crappy mood. This happened on three occassions.

Apparently, it competes somehow (I can't remember the mechanics) with - is it? - 5HTP for crossing the
blood-brain barrier, thereby reducing the amount of serotonin that can be produced?

Edited by thomasthomas, 28 October 2012 - 10:45 PM.

[KDee]

@Pirate I have my final exams and the last time i updated was during my midterms so that was around 2 months ago? Usually my exams last for 3-4 weeks. So i usually use them on off (every 2nd or 3rd day) during that interval. Buttt lately i've been topping it up with my L-Tyrosine & Alpha GPC and (took Anira. out of the equation) cause i dont know what it is, i hit an all time low all of a sudden and my motivation/ energy levels were steeping prettttty low.

If you're wondering why i topped the Tyrosine it's because I normally had a "good start" to the morning with it (alert & awake)... BUT word of advice i think more is less with Tyrosine, i ignored the consequences at my own peril - I believe that too much can inhibit dopa-mine production? (from reading other logs). This is personally my experience, and factors that could contribute are my diet as well, I switched it up last month to a no carb high protein diet? Haha hope this helps.

Btw if anyone knows what caused my crash, that would be super helpful! I still need to survive my exams without feeling suicidal LOL.
P.S: This is also another randomn observation but Aniracetam appears to have a fun factor, with it - music sounds really.. reallyyyyyy good. :-)

Edited by KDee, 30 October 2012 - 11:09 AM.

[TraderBry]

I'm ordering Aniracetam, Noopept, Adrafinil and Piracetam.

Does anyone have any suggestions for combining these? Also, is it necessary to supplement with choline? I'd really rather not spend the money if I can avoid it.

If I should add choline, which of the above would you replace? I should tell you that my intent is to have more mental energy and clarity so that I can trade and program more effectively. Some anxiety relief would also be helpful.

Thanks