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[shadowhawk]

i think all religions have same god but don't realise it

Why would that be? How about polytheism?

i think that for all religions where there is one god it could be that it is same god but with different names amongst the various religions

The topic is what do you think God is like. Thanks.

[shadowhawk]

i think all religions have same god but don't realise it

Why would that be? How about polytheism?

i think that for all religions where there is one god it could be that it is same god but with different names amongst the various religions

Interesting. Do you think God is one or many? Thanks for your view.

[hooter]

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[Valkyrie]

i think all religions have same god but don't realise it

Why would that be? How about polytheism?

i think that for all religions where there is one god it could be that it is same god but with different names amongst the various religions

Interesting. Do you think God is one or many? Thanks for your view.

i think that there is one God, and that the many religions where there is one god it is in fact the same one God, but they call God by differing names. i elieve that human consciousness survives death and continues on afterwards through the existance of the soul; and as such it would be difficult to say exactly what God is like without having experienced any direct contact. We can only marvel at God's creations (which includes science by the way ) and infer from this that he is indeed a supreme being of sorts. I do not think he is a man with a white beard!

[Link]

We can only marvel at God's creations (which includes science by the way ) and infer from this that he is indeed a supreme being of sorts.

And exactly how did God invent science? Do you actually know what science is?


Your concepts about God and religion remind me of how the teachers and other kids at the catholic primary school i attended as a child used to speak. No offence but you sound brainwashed.

[shadowhawk]

We can only marvel at God's creations (which includes science by the way ) and infer from this that he is indeed a supreme being of sorts.

And exactly how did God invent science? Do you actually know what science is?


Your concepts about God and religion remind me of how the teachers and other kids at the catholic primary school i attended as a child used to speak. No offence but you sound brainwashed.

Off tppic and a good example of attacking the person rather than the subject.

[Valkyrie]

We can only marvel at God's creations (which includes science by the way ) and infer from this that he is indeed a supreme being of sorts.

And exactly how did God invent science? Do you actually know what science is?


Your concepts about God and religion remind me of how the teachers and other kids at the catholic primary school i attended as a child used to speak. No offence but you sound brainwashed.

i expected that my comment about God creating science might provoke this sort of response.

And i am not 'brainwashed'; that is a term very much overused by athiests in an attempt to understand why religious people have so much faith in religion. I have very good reasons for firmly believing the existence of God and regards him being like a supreme being and also the existence of the human soul, and they have nothing whatsover to do with 'brainwashing'.

[Link]

Off tppic and a good example of attacking the person rather than the subject.

You mean like this?

And you built your faith on that? And you even have to fake illiteracy at reading what you don’t understand. The only thing you did understand, faking illiteracy and squinting, is it was morally abhorrent. Hmmm May I suggest you understood nothing you were reading and what ever you thought you were understanding (Moral Aberration) might have its source elsewhere. How would you know being illiterate, and all that? Billions of people read the Bible and do not understand it this way. I know of no one else squinting and faking it. Weird hermeneutics. Not my intent to criticize your God so please do not take this that way.

Here is the real issue. You are full of hate and anger. As you say, you are ‘VICIOUS.” I don’t know your story and because of that will give you the benefit of the doubt. Sorry life has treated you so poorly that you blame god. Again this is not the place to work this all out but if there is anything I can do to help, I want to..

We can only marvel at God's creations (which includes science by the way ) and infer from this that he is indeed a supreme being of sorts.

And exactly how did God invent science? Do you actually know what science is?


Your concepts about God and religion remind me of how the teachers and other kids at the catholic primary school i attended as a child used to speak. No offence but you sound brainwashed.

i expected that my comment about God creating science might provoke this sort of response.

And i am not 'brainwashed'; that is a term very much overused by athiests in an attempt to understand why religious people have so much faith in religion. I have very good reasons for firmly believing the existence of God and regards him being like a supreme being and also the existence of the human soul, and they have nothing whatsover to do with 'brainwashing'.

Ok, well you didn't really answer my question but it was pretty much rhetorical anyway.

[platypus]

I have very good reasons for firmly believing the existence of God and regards him being like a supreme being and also the existence of the human soul, and they have nothing whatsover to do with 'brainwashing'.

What are those reasons? How do you know you're not deluding yourself?

[wowser]

How can anyone know what God is truly like without meeting him! Surely we can't infer from historical texts what God is like because they have all been written by people and hence distorted? IMO this question simply cannot be answered!

[shadowhawk]

Off tppic and a good example of attacking the person rather than the subject.

You mean like this?

And you built your faith on that? And you even have to fake illiteracy at reading what you don’t understand. The only thing you did understand, faking illiteracy and squinting, is it was morally abhorrent. Hmmm May I suggest you understood nothing you were reading and what ever you thought you were understanding (Moral Aberration) might have its source elsewhere. How would you know being illiterate, and all that? Billions of people read the Bible and do not understand it this way. I know of no one else squinting and faking it. Weird hermeneutics. Not my intent to criticize your God so please do not take this that way.

Here is the real issue. You are full of hate and anger. As you say, you are ‘VICIOUS.” I don’t know your story and because of that will give you the benefit of the doubt. Sorry life has treated you so poorly that you blame god. Again this is not the place to work this all out but if there is anything I can do to help, I want to..

We can only marvel at God's creations (which includes science by the way ) and infer from this that he is indeed a supreme being of sorts.

And exactly how did God invent science? Do you actually know what science is?


Your concepts about God and religion remind me of how the teachers and other kids at the catholic primary school i attended as a child used to speak. No offence but you sound brainwashed.

i expected that my comment about God creating science might provoke this sort of response.

And i am not 'brainwashed'; that is a term very much overused by athiests in an attempt to understand why religious people have so much faith in religion. I have very good reasons for firmly believing the existence of God and regards him being like a supreme being and also the existence of the human soul, and they have nothing whatsover to do with 'brainwashing'.

Ok, well you didn't really answer my question but it was pretty much rhetorical anyway.

When you quote something you have to put it in context. This is nonsense created by takikng something out of context.
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http://www.longecity...post__p__497655

Edited by shadowhawk, 22 February 2012 - 11:01 PM.

[shadowhawk]

How can anyone know what God is truly like without meeting him! Surely we can't infer from historical texts what God is like because they have all been written by people and hence distorted? IMO this question simply cannot be answered!

Good question. How can anyone know what God is like? People writing about something is not evidence it is in error.. That would make all written knowledge impossible and in error. That makes your post in error.

[Valkyrie]

I have very good reasons for firmly believing the existence of God and regards him being like a supreme being and also the existence of the human soul, and they have nothing whatsover to do with 'brainwashing'.

What are those reasons? How do you know you're not deluding yourself?

It is simply not possible that i am deluding myself, because i experienced a very real spritual experience which i shared with a close relative (we both experienced it). this left us both with no doubt whatsoever that not only does God exist in the form of a supreme being, but also that consciousness survives death in the form of the human soul

[Valkyrie]

Off tppic and a good example of attacking the person rather than the subject.

You mean like this?

And you built your faith on that? And you even have to fake illiteracy at reading what you don’t understand. The only thing you did understand, faking illiteracy and squinting, is it was morally abhorrent. Hmmm May I suggest you understood nothing you were reading and what ever you thought you were understanding (Moral Aberration) might have its source elsewhere. How would you know being illiterate, and all that? Billions of people read the Bible and do not understand it this way. I know of no one else squinting and faking it. Weird hermeneutics. Not my intent to criticize your God so please do not take this that way.

Here is the real issue. You are full of hate and anger. As you say, you are ‘VICIOUS.” I don’t know your story and because of that will give you the benefit of the doubt. Sorry life has treated you so poorly that you blame god. Again this is not the place to work this all out but if there is anything I can do to help, I want to..

We can only marvel at God's creations (which includes science by the way ) and infer from this that he is indeed a supreme being of sorts.

And exactly how did God invent science? Do you actually know what science is?


Your concepts about God and religion remind me of how the teachers and other kids at the catholic primary school i attended as a child used to speak. No offence but you sound brainwashed.

i expected that my comment about God creating science might provoke this sort of response.

And i am not 'brainwashed'; that is a term very much overused by athiests in an attempt to understand why religious people have so much faith in religion. I have very good reasons for firmly believing the existence of God and regards him being like a supreme being and also the existence of the human soul, and they have nothing whatsover to do with 'brainwashing'.

Ok, well you didn't really answer my question but it was pretty much rhetorical anyway.

sorry, i will answer your questions for you... how did God invent science? God created everything, which includes the universe, its ingredients, the laws of physics, everything... i think it is very funny how scientists do not see what is right in front of their faces when it comes to this fact. as such God is a supreme being who created everything. and yes i do know what science is!

[wowser]

How can anyone know what God is truly like without meeting him! Surely we can't infer from historical texts what God is like because they have all been written by people and hence distorted? IMO this question simply cannot be answered!

Good question. How can anyone know what God is like? People writing about something is not evidence it is in error.. That would make all written knowledge impossible and in error. That makes your post in error.

You are right that people writing something is not evidence it is in error, but errors and alteration will inevitably occur as a passage gets translated from one language to another to another, and information is passed down from generation to generation, akin to 'chinese whispers'.

The Bible is a classic example of this wherein the Bible that we have today was not written by God, it was written by men, and in fact there were many, many gospels and versions of gospels; in fact, the Bible as we know it came about as a consequence of a meeting of individuals who had a huge debate and voting process to decide which texts were to be included within the 'official' texts and which were not to be; so it was men who decided which 'versions' of the various stories and gospels made the final cut. As such the Bible as we know it is inaccurate; just look at the discrepancies between the New Testiment gospels for example. The point I am trying to make is that because the Bible in an interpretation written by men and not God we cannot infer a wholly accurate idea of what God is like from said texts because the texts are to an extent inevitably distorted because they have been written by men, not God, and with multiple versions, and multiple generations of translations etc.

[shadowhawk]

How can anyone know what God is truly like without meeting him! Surely we can't infer from historical texts what God is like because they have all been written by people and hence distorted? IMO this question simply cannot be answered!

Good question. How can anyone know what God is like? People writing about something is not evidence it is in error.. That would make all written knowledge impossible and in error. That makes your post in error.

You are right that people writing something is not evidence it is in error, but errors and alteration will inevitably occur as a passage gets translated from one language to another to another, and information is passed down from generation to generation, akin to 'chinese whispers'.

The Bible is a classic example of this wherein the Bible that we have today was not written by God, it was written by men, and in fact there were many, many gospels and versions of gospels; in fact, the Bible as we know it came about as a consequence of a meeting of individuals who had a huge debate and voting process to decide which texts were to be included within the 'official' texts and which were not to be; so it was men who decided which 'versions' of the various stories and gospels made the final cut. As such the Bible as we know it is inaccurate; just look at the discrepancies between the New Testiment gospels for example. The point I am trying to make is that because the Bible in an interpretation written by men and not God we cannot infer a wholly accurate idea of what God is like from said texts because the texts are to an extent inevitably distorted because they have been written by men, not God, and with multiple versions, and multiple generations of translations etc.

Well I did not say writing something is not evidence. History, for example, is largely written. It does not follow it is in error just because it its written. The other side of the coin is it can also be evidence and true. The Bible is one of thousands of examples. I disagree with your characterization of the Bible and its transmission.

This is off topic which is not about the Bible. What is God like to you? How do you know?

[hooter]

It is simply not possible that i am deluding myself, because i experienced a very real spritual experience which i shared with a close relative (we both experienced it). this left us both with no doubt whatsoever that not only does God exist in the form of a supreme being, but also that consciousness survives death in the form of the human soul

It is simply not possible that I am deluding myself, because I experienced a very real alien abduction experience which I shared with a close relative (we both experienced it). This left us both with no doubt whatsoever that not only do aliens with superior technology exist, but they also came to earth to visit and study us.

Edited by hooter, 23 February 2012 - 08:27 PM.

[shadowhawk]

It is simply not possible that i am deluding myself, because i experienced a very real spritual experience which i shared with a close relative (we both experienced it). this left us both with no doubt whatsoever that not only does God exist in the form of a supreme being, but also that consciousness survives death in the form of the human soul

It is simply not possible that I am deluding myself, because I experienced a very real alien abduction experience which I shared with a close relative (we both experienced it). This left us both with no doubt whatsoever that not only do aliens with superior technology exist, but they also came to earth to visit and study us.

Wow those aliens were hard on you. Sorry about that. If they were not your God, off topic.

[Link]

sorry, i will answer your questions for you... how did God invent science? God created everything, which includes the universe, its ingredients, the laws of physics, everything... i think it is very funny how scientists do not see what is right in front of their faces when it comes to this fact. as such God is a supreme being who created everything. and yes i do know what science is!

No, you don't know what science is. Science is the study of the natural world through observation and experimentation, not merely those things which exist in the natural world. Physics is a science, gravity is not a science. Chemistry is a science, sulphuric acid is not a science. Biology is a science, a donkey is not a science.

You obviously do not realise the distinction between the study of something, and that which is being studied.

So unless you can show me some evidence that god wrote the first book on the scientific process, then i think you should give credit to the men who invented science, not your imaginary deity.

[platypus]

What are those reasons? How do you know you're not deluding yourself?

It is simply not possible that i am deluding myself, because i experienced a very real spritual experience which i shared with a close relative (we both experienced it). this left us both with no doubt whatsoever that not only does God exist in the form of a supreme being, but also that consciousness survives death in the form of the human soul

How do you know that you're not both deluding yourselves? I don't want to sound disrespectful but a feeling of certitude is not much of a proof. Did you actually both separately receive some information from deceased relatives or what actually happened?

[hooter]

Wow those aliens were hard on you. Sorry about that. If they were not your God, off topic.

"Off topic" is the only you are capable of saying. Also "Not interested". Do you not understand the analogy? Just because someone believes something, or a million people believe it, doesn't change the truth value one bit. It either is true or isn't, regardless of what people think. If you don't want anyone elses opinion, do like Matthew 6:5 and go pat yourself on the back in the privacy of your own home.

Religion is of neurological origin and linked to damage or low density in the serotonin system. See here and here .

They focused specifically on the personality trait called self-transcendence (ST), which is thought to be a measure of spiritual feeling, thinking, and behaviors in humans. The group found that selective damage to the left and right posterior parietal regions induced a specific increase in ST. "Our symptom-lesion mapping study is the first demonstration of a causative link between brain functioning and ST," offers Dr. Urgesi. "

Perhaps neurotrophins would resolve this? Cerebrolysin and ngf, piracetam..

Edited by hooter, 24 February 2012 - 12:51 PM.

[shadowhawk]

Wow those aliens were hard on you. Sorry about that. If they were not your God, off topic.

"Off topic" is the only you are capable of saying. Also "Not interested". Do you not understand the analogy? Just because someone believes something, or a million people believe it, doesn't change the truth value one bit. It either is true or isn't, regardless of what people think. If you don't want anyone elses opinion, do like Matthew 6:5 and go pat yourself on the back in the privacy of your own home.

Religion is of neurological origin and linked to damage or low density in the serotonin system. See here and here .

They focused specifically on the personality trait called self-transcendence (ST), which is thought to be a measure of spiritual feeling, thinking, and behaviors in humans. The group found that selective damage to the left and right posterior parietal regions induced a specific increase in ST. "Our symptom-lesion mapping study is the first demonstration of a causative link between brain functioning and ST," offers Dr. Urgesi. "

Perhaps neurotrophins would resolve this? Cerebrolysin and ngf, piracetam..

And I was trying to be empathetic to you! This topic is about your personal experience. I can see a personal analogy to you. I have seen people like this and have no reason to doubt this is your experience. The aliens got you but you mean something else by “aliens?” Sorry, don’t know who “they” are or what was done to you.

Are you talking about yourself or are you trying to slime someone else? Maybe? If the latter, off topic.

[Valkyrie]

What are those reasons? How do you know you're not deluding yourself?

It is simply not possible that i am deluding myself, because i experienced a very real spritual experience which i shared with a close relative (we both experienced it). this left us both with no doubt whatsoever that not only does God exist in the form of a supreme being, but also that consciousness survives death in the form of the human soul

How do you know that you're not both deluding yourselves? I don't want to sound disrespectful but a feeling of certitude is not much of a proof. Did you actually both separately receive some information from deceased relatives or what actually happened?

it's very personal, and you wouldn't believe me anyway. forget i mentioned it

[Valkyrie]

It is simply not possible that i am deluding myself, because i experienced a very real spritual experience which i shared with a close relative (we both experienced it). this left us both with no doubt whatsoever that not only does God exist in the form of a supreme being, but also that consciousness survives death in the form of the human soul

It is simply not possible that I am deluding myself, because I experienced a very real alien abduction experience which I shared with a close relative (we both experienced it). This left us both with no doubt whatsoever that not only do aliens with superior technology exist, but they also came to earth to visit and study us.

you just proved the point that there's no point me telling anyone what actually happened since no-one would believe me, just like if someone actualy really was adbucted by aliens

[shadowhawk]

What are those reasons? How do you know you're not deluding yourself?

It is simply not possible that i am deluding myself, because i experienced a very real spritual experience which i shared with a close relative (we both experienced it). this left us both with no doubt whatsoever that not only does God exist in the form of a supreme being, but also that consciousness survives death in the form of the human soul

How do you know that you're not both deluding yourselves? I don't want to sound disrespectful but a feeling of certitude is not much of a proof. Did you actually both separately receive some information from deceased relatives or what actually happened?

Sorry but this is off topic.

[shadowhawk]

sorry, i will answer your questions for you... how did God invent science? God created everything, which includes the universe, its ingredients, the laws of physics, everything... i think it is very funny how scientists do not see what is right in front of their faces when it comes to this fact. as such God is a supreme being who created everything. and yes i do know what science is!

No, you don't know what science is. Science is the study of the natural world through observation and experimentation, not merely those things which exist in the natural world. Physics is a science, gravity is not a science. Chemistry is a science, sulphuric acid is not a science. Biology is a science, a donkey is not a science.

You obviously do not realise the distinction between the study of something, and that which is being studied.

So unless you can show me some evidence that god wrote the first book on the scientific process, then i think you should give credit to the men who invented science, not your imaginary deity.

Off topic. This is not bash anyone who has a faith topic.

[platypus]

it's very personal, and you wouldn't believe me anyway. forget i mentioned it

Ok. How improbable you think your experience was, i.e. what if it was a chance occurrence? Two people can experience the same thing by chance. Are we talking about 1 in a million, 1 in a hundred million or was a chance event somehow impossible?

[shadowhawk]

Before a father leaves for his longest business trip yet, he encourages his son and daughter to remember, "Even when I'm not here, God is always with you." After he leaves, the boy and his sister spend a fun-filled day and star-filled night remembering everything their father told them about their heavenly Father: He is powerful, loving, everywhere, all-knowing, perfect, merciful, unchanging, creator, and a Father who wants to be known, talked to, obeyed, and worshipped.

[Link]

sorry, i will answer your questions for you... how did God invent science? God created everything, which includes the universe, its ingredients, the laws of physics, everything... i think it is very funny how scientists do not see what is right in front of their faces when it comes to this fact. as such God is a supreme being who created everything. and yes i do know what science is!

No, you don't know what science is. Science is the study of the natural world through observation and experimentation, not merely those things which exist in the natural world. Physics is a science, gravity is not a science. Chemistry is a science, sulphuric acid is not a science. Biology is a science, a donkey is not a science.

You obviously do not realise the distinction between the study of something, and that which is being studied.

So unless you can show me some evidence that god wrote the first book on the scientific process, then i think you should give credit to the men who invented science, not your imaginary deity.

Off topic. This is not bash anyone who has a faith topic.

Get over yourself.

If someone is going to say something as stupid as "God invented science" then i'm going to call them out on it, i don't care what the topic is. Stop trying to censor everything you don't want to hear.

[hooter]

Before a father leaves for his longest business trip yet, he encourages his son and daughter to remember, "Even when I'm not here, God is always with you." After he leaves, the boy and his sister spend a fun-filled day and star-filled night remembering everything their father told them about their heavenly Father: He is powerful, loving, everywhere, all-knowing, perfect, merciful, unchanging, creator, and a Father who wants to be known, talked to, obeyed, and worshipped.

Why does a perfect being want to be obeyed and worshipped? Why does god need eternal praise?

Edited by hooter, 02 March 2012 - 04:03 PM.