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[Cameronthecreator]

Try Afobazole.
A more pro-life approach is to take Afobazole. Especially great for SAD.
I've taken it for 4 years and it works wonders, often most.

Do you make any breaks in taking afobazole? And if yes how long are they?

I've only taken breaks when running out of pills. Happened 2-3 times over they years and I could really tell the difference after a week or so. After continuation it takes 1-2 weeks for the effect to set in again.

It mainly helps me with social anxiety. Stamina !
I can also say that since I started Afobazole I hardly EVER get any hangovers, though I am quite a drinker at times...

Try Afobazole.
A more pro-life approach is to take Afobazole. Especially great for SAD.
I've taken it for 4 years and it works wonders, often most.

Do you make any breaks in taking afobazole? And if yes how long are they?

I've only taken breaks when running out of pills. Happened 2-3 times over they years and I could really tell the difference after a week or so. After continuation it takes 1-2 weeks for the effect to set in again.

It mainly helps me with social anxiety. Stamina !
I can also say that since I started Afobazole I hardly EVER get any hangovers, though I am quite a drinker at times...

Any withdrawals when you have stopped? and any sexual side effects from afobazole? you said you are quite the drinker, does that mean that afobazole and alcohol can be mixed safely? if so that is great news because I love getting extremely drunk on weekends lol.

Edited by Cameronthecreator, 22 October 2012 - 12:04 PM.

[renfr]

Any study saying L-theanine increase GABA levels? There are studies saying that L-theanine definitely doesn't act on GABA.

I don't know. I just copied this about L-theanine from any topic of this forum. As for me I did not find L-theanine to be much of help as anxyolitic. If i took small doses like 200 mg the effect was weak. If i took one gram it became too sedating and causing brain-fog, though when drunk as 1 gram with coffee the negative thought just started without developing but probably due to the fact that mind became weaker from sedation. So actually I think I will stick to other chemicals. And why? Because I think that people with anxiousness (like me) also have low mood and depression and need something to activate them and increase motivation to do smth and to be more energectic. So L-theanine is quite enough for me in green tea which in its turn provides some energy benefits from caffeine and polyphenols.
Have purchased afobazol today and took three pills as required per day. It seems to give some alleviation and adds some energy. Will wait for its effect to develop within three weeks. Hope it will be the magic pill.

Yeah, indeed. To me L-theanine is EXTREMELY worthless. The alpha-wave synchronization is an intesresting effect but I don't feel it.

As for anxyolitics, I think that GABA agonists are not THAT bad if you don't use them chronically and if you use drugs to reverse tolerance.
When I have alcohol binges or use GABA agonists, I take Bacopa (GABA receptors upregulating drug) after to increase deep sleep and avoid GABA withdrawal.

A cholinergic drug may help treat depression, however if depression is linked to HIGH acetylcholine then forget about it. Pyritinol is a huge social enhancer to me, I feel wide awake, I don't feel zombie, I feel totally synchronized on the conversation, I discuss with more emotions, this is really great. And my friends do see that, they tell me that some days I feel really sociable, talkative and chatting like a boss, guess what? Those days are the days when I take pyritinol which is an acetylcholine levels enhancer.
What is great is that unlike alcohol or GABA agonists you can really discuss with emotions and not have a flat conversation that is boring and not like a braindead zombie.
And my experience tells me that sociability is not about the sentences or jokes you make, it's about how you express yourself. You can say something worthless and be popular if you say it with emotions, you can say a very good joke or a very complex sentence and be rejected by the others just because you talk like a zombie with no emotions.

Edited by renfr, 22 October 2012 - 05:18 PM.

[Nootr]

I was taking afobazole for one month and i got a very positive experience. It seems to have helped to restore my GABA receptors so that now I can take phenibut again. I take also bacopa before sleep. It could also help to remove tolerance. Due to financial reasons I had to stop taking afobazole. It definitely made me more active and improved mood. But of course it cannot compare with the effect of selegiline which acts both as amphetamin and anti-depressant. I don't know why people don't use it - probably because of its side effects. But i find it not only activating you but also a good nootropic. And if combined with noopept it becomes even stronger. And i use magnesium acetate to block selegiline's side-effect of heart tension (because of norepenephrine raising and amphetamin) to some degree.
By the way, read the book by Albert Hoffmann - creator of LSD. He writes that tranquilizers hide the problems instead of solving them. So they don't actually treat the disease. And what's the most sad is that those substances that help like LSD are prohibited.

Edited by Dan Brown, 22 October 2012 - 08:36 PM.

[Nootr]

And my experience tells me that sociability is not about the sentences or jokes you make, it's about how you express yourself. You can say something worthless and be popular if you say it with emotions, you can say a very good joke or a very complex sentence and be rejected by the others just because you talk like a zombie with no emotions.

Generally people do not react to what's in your mind but to sterotypes of behavior. So if they feel you suit some kind of sterotype like jokes-maker they begin to love you but if you for example tell them that the world is shit and give 25 reasons why it is so they will call you a crazy, evil-minded and wierd person. So those emotions that you feel may be good for those silly people but not for you coz popularity among zombies is useless for your soul and spirituality aspects. The substance that you think to be good actually may be good only for deceiving yourself and for changing your personality to fit a stereotype.

As for for example phenibut, it increases links between hemispheres and definitely makes you more creative. And in spite of the fact that it makes you a kind of dull and drunk, it improves your perception of things making your mind deeper. And it can help you to gain popularity among good people by your spirituality,not by fitting silly stereotypes.

As for L-theanine, I agree with you that it is useless substance and even harmful for mind.

[gizmobrain]

Just to balance this out, my fiancee, her father, and my mother has found L-theanine to work wonders for them.

For my fiancee, In noisy crowds or times of stress, she would often get overwhelmed and would pretty much shut down mentally. It really kept her from being able to express and enjoy herself at restaurants, concerts, etc. L-theanine almost completely removes this "on edge" anxiety that would lead to irritability and snapping. It also helps her to not get overwhelmed at work with worry and anxiety.

My theory has always been that l-theanine reduces the effects of excess glutamate. This seems to back it up:

L-Theanine is an amino acid contained in green tea leaves which is known to block the binding of L-glutamic acid to glutamate receptors in the brain. Because the characteristics of L-Theanine suggest that it may influence psychological and physiological states under stress, the present study examined these possible effects in a laboratory setting using a mental arithmetic task as an acute stressor. Twelve participants underwent four separate trials: one in which they took L-Theanine at the start of an experimental procedure, one in which they took L-Theanine midway, and two control trials in which they either took a placebo or nothing. The experimental sessions were performed by double-blind, and the order of them was counterbalanced. The results showed that L-Theanine intake resulted in a reduction in the heart rate (HR) and salivary immunoglobulin A (s-IgA) responses to an acute stress task relative to the placebo control condition. Moreover, analyses of heart rate variability indicated that the reductions in HR and s-IgA were likely attributable to an attenuation of sympathetic nervous activation. Thus, it was suggested that the oral intake of L-Theanine could cause anti-stress effects via the inhibition of cortical neuron excitation.

→ source (external link)

Edited by zrbarnes, 22 October 2012 - 09:07 PM.

[Nootr]

My theory has always been that l-theanine reduces the effects of excess glutamate. This seems to back it up:

L-Theanine is an amino acid contained in green tea leaves which is known to block the binding of L-glutamic acid to glutamate receptors in the brain. Because the characteristics of L-Theanine suggest that it may influence psychological and physiological states under stress, the present study examined these possible effects in a laboratory setting using a mental arithmetic task as an acute stressor. Twelve participants underwent four separate trials: one in which they took L-Theanine at the start of an experimental procedure, one in which they took L-Theanine midway, and two control trials in which they either took a placebo or nothing. The experimental sessions were performed by double-blind, and the order of them was counterbalanced. The results showed that L-Theanine intake resulted in a reduction in the heart rate (HR) and salivary immunoglobulin A (s-IgA) responses to an acute stress task relative to the placebo control condition. Moreover, analyses of heart rate variability indicated that the reductions in HR and s-IgA were likely attributable to an attenuation of sympathetic nervous activation. Thus, it was suggested that the oral intake of L-Theanine could cause anti-stress effects via the inhibition of cortical neuron excitation.

→ source (external link)

They may write any bullshit in order to sell their product. The thing which acts in green tea is the complex of polyphenols and caffeine, and theanine is not the only and not major among acting substances. So if you take green tea extract you will feel all benefits of stimulation including reduced anxiety due to feeling of strength. Theanine taken alone induces apathy and tiredmess nothing more for me. And this is expresience of many users of this forum. Very low doses of theanine may reduce the caffeine effect, but what's the point in doing that? We drink coffee for stimulation, i.e. the opposite effect of theanine.

Just to balance this out, my fiancee, her father, and my mother has found L-theanine to work wonders for them.

For my fiancee, In noisy crowds or times of stress, she would often get overwhelmed and would pretty much shut down mentally. It really kept her from being able to express and enjoy herself at restaurants, concerts, etc. L-theanine almost completely removes this "on edge" anxiety that would lead to irritability and snapping. It also helps her to not get overwhelmed at work with worry and anxiety.

May be placebo effect.

[gizmobrain]

They may write any bullshit in order to sell their product. The thing which acts in green tea is the complex of polyphenols and caffeine, and theanine is not the only and not major among acting substances. So if you take green tea extract you will feel all benefits of stimulation including reduced anxiety due to feeling of strength. Theanine taken alone induces apathy and tiredmess nothing more for me. And this is expresience of many users of this forum. Very low doses of theanine may reduce the caffeine effect, but what's the point in doing that? We drink coffee for stimulation, i.e. the opposite effect of theanine.

May be placebo effect.

I don't think the Nagoya University Department of Psychology is selling a product.

Here's another:

' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21861094']
RATIONALE:

L-Theanine (N-ethyl-L: -glutamine) is an amino acid uniquely found in green tea and historically considered to be a relaxing agent. It is a glutamate derivative and has an affinity for glutamatergic receptors. However, its psychotropic effects remain unclear.

OBJECTIVES:

To elucidate effects of L: -theanine on psychiatric disease-related behaviors in mice and its molecular basis focusing on brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF) and N-methyl-D: -aspartate (NMDA) receptor.

METHODS:

We examined the effects of L: -theanine on behaviors in mice by using the open-field test (OFT), forced swim test (FST), elevated plus-maze test (EPMT), and prepulse inhibition (PPI) of acoustic startle. By western blot analysis, we looked at the effect of L: -theanine on the expression of BDNF and related proteins in the hippocampus and cerebral cortex. To determine whether L: -theanine has agonistic action on the NMDA receptor, we performed Fluo-3 intracellular Ca(2+) imaging in cultured cortical neurons.

RESULTS:

Single administration of L: -theanine significantly attenuated MK-801-induced deficits in PPI. Subchronic administration (3-week duration) of L: -theanine significantly reduced immobility time in the FST and improved baseline PPI. Western blotting analysis showed increased expression of BDNF protein in the hippocampus after subchronic administration of L: -theanine. In cultured cortical neurons, L: -theanine significantly increased the intracellular Ca(2+) concentration, and this increase was suppressed by competitive and non-competitive NMDA receptor antagonists (AP-5 and MK-801, respectively).

CONCLUSIONS:

Our results suggest that L: -theanine has antipsychotic-like and possibly antidepressant-like effects. It exerts these effects, at least in part, through induction of BDNF in the hippocampus and the agonistic action of L: -theanine on the NMDA receptor.

→ source (external link)

Plenty more studies to show that l-theanine works and is beneficial. Whether or not it works for you depends on your neuro chemical makeup and what you are trying to achieve.

I've linked to placebo controlled studies (and there are plenty more posted in ScienceGuy's OP), and I've even done informal placebo studies with my fiancee and mother.

Edited by zrbarnes, 22 October 2012 - 10:29 PM.

[renfr]

And my experience tells me that sociability is not about the sentences or jokes you make, it's about how you express yourself. You can say something worthless and be popular if you say it with emotions, you can say a very good joke or a very complex sentence and be rejected by the others just because you talk like a zombie with no emotions.

Generally people do not react to what's in your mind but to sterotypes of behavior. So if they feel you suit some kind of sterotype like jokes-maker they begin to love you but if you for example tell them that the world is shit and give 25 reasons why it is so they will call you a crazy, evil-minded and wierd person. So those emotions that you feel may be good for those silly people but not for you coz popularity among zombies is useless for your soul and spirituality aspects. The substance that you think to be good actually may be good only for deceiving yourself and for changing your personality to fit a stereotype.

As for for example phenibut, it increases links between hemispheres and definitely makes you more creative. And in spite of the fact that it makes you a kind of dull and drunk, it improves your perception of things making your mind deeper. And it can help you to gain popularity among good people by your spirituality,not by fitting silly stereotypes.

As for L-theanine, I agree with you that it is useless substance and even harmful for mind.

Hum, not really. That substance is not about deceiving myself, years before I wasn't acting like a braindead zombie, I think it was caused to a massive burnout which totally ruined my thoughts.
Pyritinol makes me more creative and makes me able to say something, in other terms to be wired. And honestly this seems to be cumulative, the days I don't take pyritinol I don't return totally to zombie state (hopefully)..
I think that was caused to a chemical unbalance and pyritinol is putting back the balance. My personality didn't change, it's totally the same minus the permanent brain damaged feeling.

[Nootr]

Has anyone tried pregabalin (lyrica)? some people claim that it immediately removes anxiety and depression.

[hooter]

Has anyone tried pregabalin (lyrica)? some people claim that it immediately removes anxiety and depression.

It does, also it makes you feel like you are in outer space (that's the only way I can describe that feeling, but it really is THAT specific. I'm not being metaphorical, you literally feel like you're in outer space). The withdrawals are not fun though...

[Ivy]

I've had good results with phosphatidylserine 100 or 200mg 3 times daily. It can get expensive, but for pure anxiety, it really seems to do the trick for me and a few other people I've recommended it to. The key was finding a relatively cheap source, which we seem to have now. The theory seems to be that PS reduces cortisol, which I would tend to agree with, it seems to reduce the symptoms of high cortisol, but if anxiety has another source, it won't help much.

[nootropic_addict]

so if I get this right gaba agonists are the problem...
isn't the solution upregulating gaba? I thought of toluene that can do the job however it's quite toxic but not that dangerous.
I have a history of benzo abuse and withdrawal been 3 years without benzos and I'm still fucked up with tremors and feeling jittery wide awake 24/24. never thought that gaba agonists were making it worse, I've been substituting benzos other gaba agonists.
I will try out toluene and see if it cures my weird syndrome.

[hooter]

I will try out toluene and see if it cures my weird syndrome.

I'm sorry to be this blunt, but if you're not already retarded for coming up with this, you will be after you do toluene... This is literally the dumbest, most dangerous and awful thing I have read on this forum. At this point I'm just hoping you're alive to read this message. I can't tell if you're trolling or not, what with poe's law and all that.

What the hell is wrong with you? DON'T DO THIS UNDER ANY CONCEIVABLE CIRCUMSTANCE. You will end up a brain damaged, a vegetable or dead.

Does any of this sound fun or therapeutic?

psychoorganic syndrome;^[23]visual evoked potential (VEP) abnormality;^[23] toxic polyneuropathy, cerebellar, cognitive, and pyramidal dysfunctions;^[22][23]optic atrophy; and brain lesions.^[22]

Edited by hooter, 05 November 2012 - 02:09 PM.

[kagalive1985]

and i thought my posts were long LOL

[nootropic_addict]

hey what's wrong with you you rude bastard
calm down, first of all I haben't taken toluene yet, shipment is still ongoing
second I am NOT going to huff paint, toluene itself is not the real dangerous stuff in paint huffing, what's dangerous is impurities and other toxic chemicals in paint. we're not talking about street toluene, this is 100% PURE USP grade toluene we're talking about not some weird shit!
third, those side effects you quoted are from this wikipedia article : http://en.wikipedia....oluene_toxicity
can you read the headline? LONG TERM EXPOSURE
what you told me is effects due to long term exposure, I ain't gonna take that longterm just some days in order to upregulate my gaba receptors.
no one dies or gets brain damaged for taking toluene once, I'm going to make very strict dosages we're talking about serious shit here
benzos also can cause brain damage with long term exposure and I'm the living proof of it, this is killing and ruining my life even if toluene has some toxicity it's probably worth it.
if you're so smart tell me where to get a substance that upregulates my gaba receptors, I'm totally screwed up and yet its been ages that I haven't touched to that shit if you get a better idea tell me

[centagen]

A lot of information in here, but, one simple thing to consider is that anxiety can be caused by a food reaction to something like wheat, corn, soy, eggs or dairy. Try leaving those out of your diet one at a time for about a week each and see if you feel better.

[hippocampus]

it may be a food reaction or it may be an indirect consequence of chronic allergic response. for example, if you have celiac disease (or just gluten sensitivity), your gut is damaged, so your body can't absorb various minerals and vitamins as efficiently as it should - so when you don't eat gluten, your gut repairs and you can absorb those minerals (zinc, magnesium and so on) which are implicated in mood.
or it may affect your gut microbiota (which also can affect brain directly, there is an article about it in october issue of nature neuroscience: Mind-altering microogranisms: the impact of the gut microbiota on brain and behaviour).

also, I think insulin resistance may also be implicated in anxiety - it is more prevalent in people with depression and depression is highly comorbid with anxiety.

[hooter]

hey what's wrong with you you rude bastard
calm down, first of all I haben't taken toluene yet, shipment is still ongoing
second I am NOT going to huff paint, toluene itself is not the real dangerous stuff in paint huffing, what's dangerous is impurities and other toxic chemicals in paint. we're not talking about street toluene, this is 100% PURE USP grade toluene we're talking about not some weird shit!
third, those side effects you quoted are from this wikipedia article : http://en.wikipedia....oluene_toxicity
can you read the headline? LONG TERM EXPOSURE
what you told me is effects due to long term exposure, I ain't gonna take that longterm just some days in order to upregulate my gaba receptors.
no one dies or gets brain damaged for taking toluene once, I'm going to make very strict dosages we're talking about serious shit here
benzos also can cause brain damage with long term exposure and I'm the living proof of it, this is killing and ruining my life even if toluene has some toxicity it's probably worth it.
if you're so smart tell me where to get a substance that upregulates my gaba receptors, I'm totally screwed up and yet its been ages that I haven't touched to that shit if you get a better idea tell me

Where did you get USP Grade Toluene, can you provide proof this exists? It's not approved for medical use anywhere so I'm really curious where you would get pharmaceutical grade Toluene from. Trust me I can read, but I am also fairly knowledgeable in pharmacology. You will get brain, liver and kidney damage from toluene.

Bacopa Monnieri will upregulate your GABA receptors. Otherwise I'm afraid this is a very difficult issue to deal with. Trust me... Benzos have almost ruined my life as well.

[nootropic_addict]

@hooter : the guy whom im dealing with told me its pure grade toluene that was syntetized by BASF, that company is the best chemical supplier in the world so I guess quality is well over USP requirements at least its EP6.0 in europe which I think is pretty good!
I can't see how you can get brain damage from that, I know a guy who told me he was huffing oftenly and the last time I saw him he seemed to function normally
did you know alcohol also cause liver damage, brain damage convulsions and death? yet many people drink it and feel fine you're a bit too much alarmist.
I think that bacopa gaba upregulation is bullshit, I took fairly large dose (2g) and I didn't recover damage, there's only a temporary anti anxiety effect but it has nothing to do with gaba it's the maoi effect nothing else!

okay so you say toluene will make me a vegetable but guess what I'M A VEGETABLE right NOW brcause of those fcking benzos, I can't see how I can make further brain damage, Im already totally damaged.
which kind of benzo did you take that ruined your life?

Edited by nootropic_addict, 07 November 2012 - 08:20 AM.

[hooter]

You just proved your point that it's not USP grade, because no pharmacological use for toluene exists in humans due to the dangers.

At this point I can pretty much say I only pity you for your decision to take it. I guess you will have to experience the effects yourself to understand.

[nootropic_addict]

You just proved your point that it's not USP grade, because no pharmacological use for toluene exists in humans due to the dangers.

At this point I can pretty much say I only pity you for your decision to take it. I guess you will have to experience the effects yourself to understand.

Big whoop, i had my packet and tried out toluene ( about 1/4 teaspoon) and i see no brain damge coming.
i had the best euphoria of my life, it makes me totally relaxed and anxiety free!
i feel a bit more tired than usual and less jittery i think i will manage to sleep a bit this night.
however this stuff is foul i put it in capsules and even my body is very acidic now.
i will take the same dose again tomorow and see what happens, i can feel the upregulation.

[ricca91]

Seriously, I don't know how you can take toluene. Please, please stop. That's more a thing for a masochism and suicide forum than a longevity one like this.

Edited by ricca91, 09 November 2012 - 12:30 AM.

[nootropic_addict]

Seriously, I don't know how you can take toluene. That's more a thing for a masochism and suicide forum than a longevity one like this.

yeah really? I'd like to see you in the same creepy state I am now.
benzos litteraly ruined my life, all the day i have a hard time sleeping, i feel always jittery and wide awake, I can't take it anymore along with the panic attacks metallic taste coming back sometimes and memory impairment. in comparison toluene feels as safe as water to me while those benzo bullshit put an end to my life. I lost my job and many of my friends turned me down, I can remember the hell in which I went through, most of the hell subsided but ven today this life is not funny at all. I even lost my ability to get a buzz on booze.
this is why I try toluene, life is not worth to be living un such conditions even if this sounds extreme I just want my life back, I'm only in my 20s and I'm thinking and living like a grumpy ingrateful old man, this must end.

[norepinephrine]

You should probably seek professional help because you have a big problem that is apparently beyond your own ability to solve, given you think putting a solvent that causes serious neurological harm in any quantity in a pill is a good idea.

[nootropic_addict]

I can't seek professional help, I have no insurance at all I can't afford that.
I just need to get rid of total insomnia, chronic anxiety, butterflies in my stomach, memory impairment and all that crap that are preventing from having a normal life!
I can't even look for a job, my condition is such that this is totally impossible, I need to et rid of that protracted withdrawal for once and for all. yeah toluene is dirty, it's dangerous, it's harmful and you might think I'm totally mentallh ill to do that but im not im just desperate.

[ricca91]

I can't seek professional help, I have no insurance at all I can't afford that.
I just need to get rid of total insomnia, chronic anxiety, butterflies in my stomach, memory impairment and all that crap that are preventing from having a normal life!
I can't even look for a job, my condition is such that this is totally impossible, I need to et rid of that protracted withdrawal for once and for all. yeah toluene is dirty, it's dangerous, it's harmful and you might think I'm totally mentallh ill to do that but im not im just desperate.

I can imagine what you are going through. I have bipolar and dealt with anxiety and depression all my life. I'm also 21 but even though I wanted to commit suicide at one point, it never crossed my mind to take toluene. I mean, why? Why toluene? I abused alcohol and other drugs in the past, but toluene (or any other solvent for that matter) never occurred to me. Please stop taking it and try other options. By the way, if you complain on having memory impairment and you want to treat it, toluene will just slowly (or not) make you a vegetable.

[Nootr]

Instead of toluene try afobazole. It restored my GABA receptors within a month. Bacopa does not help. Also GHB should be more safe than toluene.

And also what about etifoxine?

Edited by Dan Brown, 09 November 2012 - 10:42 AM.

[hooter]

I can't seek professional help, I have no insurance at all I can't afford that.

Then I guarantee you will not be able to afford treatment for the health effects of what you are doing right now. With what you are currently doing, you are headed to the hospital either way.

Big whoop, i had my packet and tried out toluene ( about 1/4 teaspoon) and i see no brain damge coming.
i had the best euphoria of my life, it makes me totally relaxed and anxiety free!
i feel a bit more tired than usual and less jittery i think i will manage to sleep a bit this night.
however this stuff is foul i put it in capsules and even my body is very acidic now.
i will take the same dose again tomorow and see what happens, i can feel the upregulation.

You are quite literally teetering at the precipice of death. For your sake I seriously hope this is a lame attempt at trolling this forum for responses.

This is utterly delusional behavior and he is clearly not in control of his mental faculties. Honestly what is wrong with you?!?!?!? If you continue you will need liver or kidney transplants and you will be disqualified due to your own reckless behavior. You may develop muscle spasms that ONLY BENZODIAZEPINES CAN TREAT. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF EVERYTHING SANE, STOP.

Can mods please get this guys IP, contact his ISP and call a mental hospital on him? This is suicidal behavior. I suggest you hurry before he causes irreversible organ damage to himself and starts dying.

Edited by hooter, 09 November 2012 - 03:00 PM.

[hooter]

GO TO A HOSPITAL, NOW!

[nootropic_addict]

@hooter : you are the mentally ill guy here not me
I already stopped the treatment anyway as i felt it worsened my anxiety, i threw all that crap in the garbage
why the fuck would i go to the hospital, they won't accept me anyway you're giving pointless advices

too bad all the effects I got is euphoria in the first day then anxiety and mild acidosis there's nothing to worry about!
hmm I use tor anyway you can't locate me yeah I know I'm paranoid, thanks to benzos again
i have no freakin suicidal behavior you douche
btw there are no history of people gettig brain damage with toluene, did you know the limit where not effects are seen is 700mg?
I suggest you read that paper : http://des.nh.gov/or...s/ard-ehp-4.pdf
I'm just at the UL, UH yeah freakin dangerous, as for kidneys look there were even a human study and only minor changes are reported
so YEAH you're the madman trying to instill fear among people who are trying new things, how is taking toluene more different than buckyballs? back in 20 years you'd call mentally ill people who would ingest buckyballs, same for activated carbon and yet they were proven to be beneficial, I'm not saying that for toluene but I'm just pointing out at your
narrowmindedness.
this discussion is however pointless as i don't consider taking toluene anymore.

@dan brown : nope not those, I don't want gaba agonists, I want to
upregulate my receptors. and GHB is freaking dangerous, I heard people losing friends because of that drug.

@ricca91 : how do you
cope with your anxiety? which drugs do you use?

@hooter : you are the mentally ill guy here not me
I already stopped the treatment anyway as i felt it worsened my anxiety, i threw all that crap in the garbage
why the fuck would i go to the hospital, they won't accept me anyway you're giving pointless advices

too bad all the effects I got is euphoria in the first day then anxiety and mild acidosis there's nothing to worry about!
hmm I use tor anyway you can't locate me yeah I know I'm paranoid, thanks to benzos again
i have no freakin suicidal behavior you douche
btw there are no history of people gettig brain damage with toluene, did you know the limit where not effects are seen is 700mg?
I suggest you read that paper : http://des.nh.gov/or...s/ard-ehp-4.pdf
I'm just at the UL, UH yeah freakin dangerous, as for kidneys look there were even a human study and only minor changes are reported
so YEAH you're the madman trying to instill fear among people who are trying new things, how is taking toluene more different than buckyballs? back in 20 years you'd call mentally ill people who would ingest buckyballs, same for activated carbon and yet they were proven to be beneficial, I'm not saying that for toluene but I'm just pointing out at your
narrowmindedness.
this discussion is however pointless as i don't consider taking toluene anymore.
i have a question hooter, who are you working for? big pharma?

@dan brown : nope not those, I don't want gaba agonists, I want to
upregulate my receptors. and GHB is freaking dangerous, I heard people losing friends because of that drug.

@ricca91 : how do you
cope with your anxiety? which drugs do you use?

Edited by nootropic_addict, 09 November 2012 - 05:13 PM.