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[manic_racetam]

I already stopped the treatment anyway as i felt it worsened my anxiety, i threw all that crap in the garbage...

This was likely a wise decision

[hooter]

i have a question hooter, who are you working for? big pharma?

Looks like the toluene already took its toll...

Edited by hooter, 09 November 2012 - 06:37 PM.

[nootropic_addict]

I already stopped the treatment anyway as i felt it worsened my anxiety, i threw all that crap in the garbage...

This was likely a wise decision

Yeah, I was too scared to make things worse.

I found two gaba antagonists that are interesting : cipro and flumazenil
flumazenil acts especially on benzo receptors but it requires IV administration, that's creepy I don't wanna use that.
cipro is an antibiotic but has been found to antagonize gaba, it seems to be quite safe (millions took it) but god this is really expensive.
I will research on the compound and see if its worth taking it
anyone here ever took cipro?

[MrHappy]

hey what's wrong with you you rude bastard
calm down, first of all I haben't taken toluene yet, shipment is still ongoing
second I am NOT going to huff paint, toluene itself is not the real dangerous stuff in paint huffing, what's dangerous is impurities and other toxic chemicals in paint. we're not talking about street toluene, this is 100% PURE USP grade toluene we're talking about not some weird shit!
third, those side effects you quoted are from this wikipedia article : http://en.wikipedia....oluene_toxicity
can you read the headline? LONG TERM EXPOSURE
what you told me is effects due to long term exposure, I ain't gonna take that longterm just some days in order to upregulate my gaba receptors.
no one dies or gets brain damaged for taking toluene once, I'm going to make very strict dosages we're talking about serious shit here
benzos also can cause brain damage with long term exposure and I'm the living proof of it, this is killing and ruining my life even if toluene has some toxicity it's probably worth it.
if you're so smart tell me where to get a substance that upregulates my gaba receptors, I'm totally screwed up and yet its been ages that I haven't touched to that shit if you get a better idea tell me

Hi Nootropic_addict,

I am seriously concerned that you were heading for painful self-destruction by ingesting toluene. If you want help for depression, please PM me.

Here's a list of common issues relating to toluene exposure:

http://en.wikipedia....oluene_toxicity
Effects of long term exposure

Serious adverse behavioural effects are often associated with toluene abuse related to the deliberate inhalation of solvents.^[22] Long term toluene exposure is often associated with effects such as: psychoorganic syndrome;^[23] visual evoked potential (VEP) abnormality;^[23] toxic polyneuropathy, cerebellar, cognitive, and pyramidal dysfunctions;^[22][23] optic atrophy; and brain lesions.^[22]
The neurotoxic effects of long term use (in particular repeated withdrawals) of toluene may cause postural tremors by upregulating GABA receptors within the cerebellar cortex.^[22] Treatment with GABA agonists such as, benzodiazepines provide some relief from toluene induced tremor and ataxia.^[22] An alternative to drug treatment is vim thalamotomy.^[22] The tremors associated with toluene misuse do not seem to be a transient symptom, but an irreversible and progressive symptom which continues after solvent abuse has been discontinued.^[22]
There is some evidence that low level toluene exposure may cause disruption in the differentiation of astrocyte precursor cells.^[24] This does not appear to be a major hazard to adults; however, exposure of pregnant women to toluene during critical stages of fetal development could cause serious disruption to neuronal development.^[24]

Edited by MrHappy, 10 November 2012 - 07:14 AM.

[nootropic_addict]

Thanks but i'm fine.

I'm really sick about this situation, I only slept 3 hours and during those three hours I woke up several times, my gaba is really screwed up, do you think a CT or MRI scan can show such damage? Can it help? It's extremely expensive ($400 for CT and $900 for MRI)

I made my research on cipro and seems to be pretty good stuff, I'm gonna buy a box of it and try it out
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[ricca91]

Thanks but i'm fine.

I'm really sick about this situation, I only slept 3 hours and during those three hours I woke up several times, my gaba is really screwed up, do you think a CT or MRI scan can show such damage? Can it help? It's extremely expensive ($400 for CT and $900 for MRI)

I made my research on cipro and seems to be pretty good stuff, I'm gonna buy a box of it and try it out
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If you want a GABA antagonist without messing with your flora (and all the side effects of an antibiotic) you can look into Tiocolchicoside, an atypical muscle relaxant. But as with all GABA antagonists, it is pro-convulsant, so be careful!

[nootropic_addict]

I don't think they sell that in the US, but flora is not a problem, I take a lot of probiotics so that's fine!
I will soon get my cipro anyway

[hippocampus]

well, with probiotics you only ingest a couple of billion bacteria, while there are thousand of bacteria of more than 500 strains in your gut ... so, don't mess with antibiotics if you really don't need them. it's also not good because antibiotic-resistant bacteria may develop. they may not kill you, but may be harmful for other people ...

Edited by hippocampus, 11 November 2012 - 11:57 PM.

[hooter]

I don't think they sell that in the US, but flora is not a problem, I take a lot of probiotics so that's fine!
I will soon get my cipro anyway

I'd really like to know where you get these ideas... Not only will you promote the formation of treatment resistant antibiotics by taking cipro, thereby endagering not only yourself but OTHER PEOPLE around you, but you will most likely come out worse than when you started. If you don't need to take antibiotics, especially one as strong as cipro, you will promote the proliferation of dangerous possibly life threatening bacteria. Just as hippocampus said.

A friend of mine took cipro and it partially dissolved his tendons, he wasn't able to walk properly for months. He also said it gave him more brain damage and brain fog than benzodiazepines.

You probably won't listen because you fancy yourself a pioneering genius, but honestly if you continue this you will end up completely destroying your mind and body to the point of irreversible damage.

Edited by hooter, 11 November 2012 - 11:59 PM.

[hippocampus]

he won't listen because he's desperate imo. he wants quick solutions - but there aren't any.
also, I would take general brain nutrients, not specific to GABA, like omega-3, zinc, magnesium, anti-anxiety nutrients, like inositol, lysine and many others. but the problem is, he doesn't have money for experimenting (but then: how does he take a lot of probiotics - they are expensive - or at least the same cost like nutrients I have listed).
and although someone here said that bacopa hadn't helped him in the same condition, I'd recommend nootropic_addict to try bacopa if he haven't yet - of course, if you have money.

Edited by hippocampus, 12 November 2012 - 12:01 AM.

[hooter]

He will readily drink hepato/neuro/nephrotoxic solvents with no approved medical use or unnecessarily dangerous antibiotics that can make you confused and unable to walk for MONTHS. If he keeps on this completely arbitrary experimenting, he will completely destroy himself.

He should start with rigorous cardiovascular exercise (an hour daily) and the nutrients you mentioned. I feel terribly bad for him.

[hippocampus]

Are there any racetams that would help him with this condition? If he has damaged cognitive function maybe even piracetam could help him. But it can also exacerbate anxiety. :\

[ricca91]

Are there any racetams that would help him with this condition? If he has damaged cognitive function maybe even piracetam could help him. But it can also exacerbate anxiety. :\

Maybe Aniracetam could help him, it's supposed to be anxiolytic.

[nootropic_addict]

well, with probiotics you only ingest a couple of billion bacteria, while there are thousand of bacteria of more than 500 strains in your gut ... so, don't mess with antibiotics if you really don't need them. it's also not good because antibiotic-resistant bacteria may develop. they may not kill you, but may be harmful for other people ...

this is unlikely, there are like billions of individuals in this planet, it's not one guy like me who's gonna screw a whole antibiotic resistance. besides all antibiotics will be defunct sooner or later so I don't get your point

I don't think they sell that in the US, but flora is not a problem, I take a lot of probiotics so that's fine!
I will soon get my cipro anyway

I'd really like to know where you get these ideas... Not only will you promote the formation of treatment resistant antibiotics by taking cipro, thereby endagering not only yourself but OTHER PEOPLE around you, but you will most likely come out worse than when you started. If you don't need to take antibiotics, especially one as strong as cipro, you will promote the proliferation of dangerous possibly life threatening bacteria. Just as hippocampus said.

A friend of mine took cipro and it partially dissolved his tendons, he wasn't able to walk properly for months. He also said it gave him more brain damage and brain fog than benzodiazepines.

You probably won't listen because you fancy yourself a pioneering genius, but honestly if you continue this you will end up completely destroying your mind and body to the point of irreversible damage.

I looked up for gaba a benzo sites antagonists and among the results cipro came out.
as I said my case is irrelevant to cause a massive meltdown of cipro effectiveness, yeah I read the warning saying you could get tendinitis you're getting it wrong, tenditinis you even get it when you exercise too much, it's benign.
dissolve the tendon? lol you're kidding me seriously, I mean wtf millions of people took that medication, your friend probably had another underlying problem.
I mean it's the same for brain damage, are you telling me millions of americans are brain damaged right now?
tell me who are you working for to prevent me from repairing damage? the benzo lobby? "hey don't take such medications, just go back to your benzos and you'll be fine", I ain't buying this crap.

he won't listen because he's desperate imo. he wants quick solutions - but there aren't any.
also, I would take general brain nutrients, not specific to GABA, like omega-3, zinc, magnesium, anti-anxiety nutrients, like inositol, lysine and many others. but the problem is, he doesn't have money for experimenting (but then: how does he take a lot of probiotics - they are expensive - or at least the same cost like nutrients I have listed).
and although someone here said that bacopa hadn't helped him in the same condition, I'd recommend nootropic_addict to try bacopa if he haven't yet - of course, if you have money.

quick? did you say QUICK? it's been OVER 3 YEARS I've been waiting for recovery, withdrawal took 6 months, you add up 3 years of horror it's been nearly 4 years I've been waiting for that!!! I tried everything, no nutrients worked at all, omega 3 does nothing to me nor magnesium nor anything, I tried supplement all I could within my means and that was wasted money. I've lost 3 years trying useless supplements.
Now I won't be looking for idiotic and worthless treatments, they cost me too much, now I'm looking for radical BUT effective solutions.
I already tried bacopa, I said it was worthless and never upregulated my gaba, another stupid indian nootropic.
I've seen that all the time, russians are also pretty good in making worthless nootropics, picamilon was an utter WASTE OF TIME!!!

I too thought that traditional medicine was sometimes evil and not really effective, but after exploring alternative medicine, I found it no more effective than traditional medications, it's in fact even worse.
I already have an appointment with a MD, price is gonna be a pain in the ass but I need that medication, I will ask him if its worth it that's all, if he agrees with me I'll go ahead.

He will readily drink hepato/neuro/nephrotoxic solvents with no approved medical use or unnecessarily dangerous antibiotics that can make you confused and unable to walk for MONTHS. If he keeps on this completely arbitrary experimenting, he will completely destroy himself.

He should start with rigorous cardiovascular exercise (an hour daily) and the nutrients you mentioned. I feel terribly bad for him.

Are you crazy? I can't even exercise for a second, my HR is too damn high, I checked it up some hours ago, it's 112bpm, do you realize that? long before it was around 70bpm, now it's going crazy and besides it's coupled with arrythmia and skipped beats, this is freaking scary.
I'm not even fat, I eat healthily, I try to live healthily and nothing helps, benzos truly destroyed my chemical balance and that is going to be permanent if I don't do something about it.

Are there any racetams that would help him with this condition? If he has damaged cognitive function maybe even piracetam could help him. But it can also exacerbate anxiety. :\

PIRACETAM? OMG, do you want me to die? piracetam is a stimulant, I'm already jittery, hyper and wide awake all the time, I don't need more stimulation, besides it's a glutamate enhancer, my problem is that I have too much glutamate, what I need is GABA.

[ricca91]

Maybe it could be useful if you write a list of the things that you already tried...

[nootropic_addict]

Maybe it could be useful if you write a list of the things that you already tried...

well a lot of things :
I first took alcohol overall during my withdrawal to help with the effects but of course it's gaba agonist so it screwed me up more
then i made prescription forgery to get some baclofen (my MD wouldn't let me take that, he told me to take ambien which I refused)
after horrendous withdrawal I started looking up on the internet what I could find and I took :
- l theanine
- taurine
- magnesium (all forms that could be effective, like chelated, carbonate and threonate)
- fish oil (even massive doses of 10g)
- soy lecithin (which gave me suicidal thoughts but my sleep was kinda great)
- vitamin complex ( with all kind, b vitamins, vitamin c a d e k etc.........)
- rhodiola rosea (almost ruined my life, it gave me extreme insomnia for 3 days)
- prednisone (that too gave me a killer insomnia but for much longer!!)
- valerian root and herb mix, worthless
- picamilon
- bacopa
- gotukola
- high dose glycine
- gbl
- kava
- dmae and centro
- 5htp
- weed (I still have a stash of weed but I don't even get stoned on it)
- melatonin (i even took 50mg dose I was so desperate)
- dhea
- pregnolone
- pqq
- l dopa
- several rx maoi
- lots of ssri
- curcumin
- ashwagandha

and probably lots of other things, that's all that comes to my mind!
none worked to me, it barely inhibited my symptoms and sometimes worsens them like almost permanently.
what do you want me to try? there's nothing else but radical solutions.

[hooter]

Exercise lowers your heartrate over time. I'm surprised you don't even know this...


And no my friend HAD NO UNDERLYING PROBLEM:

As of 2011 the FDA has added two black box warnings for this drug in reference to spontaneous tendon ruptures and the fact that ciprofloxacin may cause worsening of myasthenia gravis symptoms, including muscle weakness and potentially life-threatening breathing problems. [40] A case control study[41] performed using a UK medical care database found that fluoroquinolone use was associated with a 1.9-fold increase in tendon problems. The relative risk increased to 3.2 in those over 60 years of age and to 6.2 in those over the age of 60 who were also taking corticosteroids. Among the 46,766 quinolone users in the study, 38 (0.1%) cases of Achilles tendon rupture were identified. A study performed using an Italian healthcare database reached qualitatively similar conclusions.[42]

Tendonitis and other forms of tendon damage may manifest during fluoroquinolone therapy, and long after it had been discontinued.[43]

You are seriously uninformed and deluded and at this point there is no other way of telling you this. You reject data from varying people who are trying to help. YOU ARE GOING TO GET WORSE. TRUST ME YOU DON'T WANT TO SCREW YOURSELF UP THIS BAD AT 20. If you continue like you have been, you will be worse off than if you continued taking benzos. I'm not joking. Cipro and toluene... What's next? Cyanide?

Your dosages (such as 50mg of melatonin) and your random combination of stuff you haven't researched adequately probably ruined you worse than benzodiazepines. Honestly you need a psychiatrist, this behavior is not normal nor is it healthy. You are constantly moving to more dangerous things. I hate to be so blunt, and please do not take this as an insult, but you have the behavioral signs of someone with severe brain damage and I assure you that you will have more brain damage from cipro. The friend who takes cipro is a honors medicine student, so greatly more educated on this topic than both of us. Please just HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE and stop poisoning yourself with utter rubbish.

Your lack of research and proper medical reasoning (considering you have NO MEDICAL EDUCATION WHATSOEVER) is a complete embarrassment and endangerment of not only yourself but this forum by promoting such ridiculous and dangerous tripe! SNAP OUT OF IT.

Edited by hooter, 12 November 2012 - 02:55 AM.

[hooter]

You realize that if you have high heartrate, gaba antagonists (cipro) will INCREASE your heartrate and possibly give you a heart attack right? Several people on this forum, including two moderators, have told you that what you are doing is irresponsible, masochistic and borderline suicidal. You will end up with terrible brain damage, and trust me you can have worse damage than you do now. Just look at Terri Schiavo.

tell me who are you working for to prevent me from repairing damage? the benzo lobby? "hey don't take such medications, just go back to your benzos and you'll be fine", I ain't buying this crap.

I never said go back to benzos. Behavior like this suggests you are suffering from increasing paranoia and possibly paranoid delusions as a result of your drug abuse. Please seek expert medical attention.

Thanks but i'm fine.

I'm really sick about this situation, I only slept 3 hours and during those three hours I woke up several times, my gaba is really screwed up, do you think a CT or MRI scan can show such damage? Can it help? It's extremely expensive ($400 for CT and $900 for MRI)

I made my research on cipro and seems to be pretty good stuff, I'm gonna buy a box of it and try it out
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Your fragmented and strange writing style along with superfluous punctuation marks suggest you are suffering from thought disorder, either from psychosis or organic brain damage. Please seek help.


Please for the love of everything sane on this planet, stop this madness.

Edited by hooter, 12 November 2012 - 03:06 AM.

[nootropic_addict]

Exercise lowers your heartrate over time. I'm surprised you don't even know this...


And no my friend HAD NO UNDERLYING PROBLEM:

As of 2011 the FDA has added two black box warnings for this drug in reference to spontaneous tendon ruptures and the fact that ciprofloxacin may cause worsening of myasthenia gravis symptoms, including muscle weakness and potentially life-threatening breathing problems. [40] A case control study[41] performed using a UK medical care database found that fluoroquinolone use was associated with a 1.9-fold increase in tendon problems. The relative risk increased to 3.2 in those over 60 years of age and to 6.2 in those over the age of 60 who were also taking corticosteroids. Among the 46,766 quinolone users in the study, 38 (0.1%) cases of Achilles tendon rupture were identified. A study performed using an Italian healthcare database reached qualitatively similar conclusions.[42]

Tendonitis and other forms of tendon damage may manifest during fluoroquinolone therapy, and long after it had been discontinued.[43]

You are seriously uninformed and deluded and at this point there is no other way of telling you this. You reject data from varying people who are trying to help. YOU ARE GOING TO GET WORSE. TRUST ME YOU DON'T WANT TO SCREW YOURSELF UP THIS BAD AT 20. If you continue like you have been, you will be worse off than if you continued taking benzos. I'm not joking. Cipro and toluene... What's next? Cyanide?

Your dosages (such as 50mg of melatonin) and your random combination of stuff you haven't researched adequately probably ruined you worse than benzodiazepines. Honestly you need a psychiatrist, this behavior is not normal nor is it healthy. You are constantly moving to more dangerous things. I hate to be so blunt, and please do not take this as an insult, but you have the behavioral signs of someone with severe brain damage and I assure you that you will have more brain damage from cipro. The friend who takes cipro is a honors medicine student, so greatly more educated on this topic than both of us. Please just HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE and stop poisoning yourself with utter rubbish.

Your lack of research and proper medical reasoning (considering you have NO MEDICAL EDUCATION WHATSOEVER) is a complete embarrassment and endangerment of not only yourself but this forum by promoting such ridiculous and dangerous tripe! SNAP OUT OF IT.

Yeah, and what do you want me to do? to put me at risk of a heart attack by exercising? no way, I know it reduces heart rate but this is plain dangerous and irreasonable. Do you know I have extreme arrythmia coupled with hyperreflexia?
My HR goes insane all the time, sometimes I don't even beat, if that happens during exercising I die on the place.
You're telling me I'm totally mad and a utter fool for trying out supplements and yet you propose me to do worse.

what did they do to get their tendon damaged? they probably exercised too much, I stay at home 24/7 due to my condition nearly bedridden, do you really think this can get me a tendon damage? and guess what I'll ask my MD about that, he probably knows more about you, are you a medicine doctor, are you?
50mg of melatonin is not exaggerated, yeah it's far from recommended but even people who got cancer are put on 100mg melatonin, folks tried out dosages such as mine and experienced no weird effects just extreme drowsiness (I DIDN'T experience it), oh and wait there's a thread on longecity where a guy tried extreme dosages of melatonin, did you tell him he was a fool? NO, now leave me alone with those sayings, I always research what I try, I'm not a fool and don't have any mental disorder.
I don't have any cash for a psychiatrist and I don't need one truly, what do you want him to prescribe me? benzos again? HELL NO!
I do have BRAIN DAMAGE from benzos but I still can think CLEARLY, this is not the problem, the problem is about being awake 24/7 with extreme tremor and shakings and be always extremely nervous and anxious.
I'm not PROMOTING anything, I'm asking for HELP and advices not telling me that I'm a dumbtard that needs to seek help.

You realize that if you have high heartrate, gaba antagonists (cipro) will INCREASE your heartrate and possibly give you a heart attack right? Several people on this forum, including two moderators, have told you that what you are doing is irresponsible, masochistic and borderline suicidal. You will end up with terrible brain damage, and trust me you can have worse damage than you do now. Just look at Terri Schiavo.

they don't, gaba antagonists increase BLOOD PRESSURE (and mine is fine) not HR.
wow suicidal, are you mad? I want to LIVE, but I need a solution to my horror story and nothing else.
I'm nothing close to Schiavo, I'm doing RESEARCH when I take supplements, got it?

tell me who are you working for to prevent me from repairing damage? the benzo lobby? "hey don't take such medications, just go back to your benzos and you'll be fine", I ain't buying this crap.


I never said go back to benzos. Behavior like this suggests you are suffering from increasing paranoia and possibly paranoid delusions as a result of your drug abuse. Please seek expert medical attention.

I am paranoid BECAUSE of benzos, not because of anything because of BENZOS because for over four years I've been struggling against these products of evil, you understand now why I need to upregulate my gaba?

Thanks but i'm fine.

I'm really sick about this situation, I only slept 3 hours and during those three hours I woke up several times, my gaba is really screwed up, do you think a CT or MRI scan can show such damage? Can it help? It's extremely expensive ($400 for CT and $900 for MRI)

I made my research on cipro and seems to be pretty good stuff, I'm gonna buy a box of it and try it out
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Your fragmented and strange writing style along with superfluous punctuation marks suggest you are suffering from thought disorder, either from psychosis or organic brain damage. Please seek help.

what? that last thing was because I suddenly slept during the day then I posted without checking the content, get your statements right instead of telling me I have OBS!

[nootropic_addict]

I don't want to be rude with you.
But all you do is insulting me.
and you never come to the rescue, so what's your solution?
according to you I should just abandon my research and let myself be warped forever in this horror story.
if I was in vegetative state, if I had brain injury or severe lesions I wouldn't be there asking for help because I wouldn't even be able to talk or use a keyboard!
if cipro isn't the solution, then what is it?
OK I read your cipro study, LOL 0.1% got their tendon damaged, are you kidding me? that happens with all medecines, there are always failures but 0.1% is truly insignificant, what are you trying to show me? that you are the laughingstock of this thread? really, if that figure was like 10% i would make a freakout but it isn't.

[ricca91]

I completely agree with what hooters is writing. Please don't harm yourself. You wrote the list of things you tried. There are MANY other options for depression and anxiety, and I mean MANY! There are tricyclics, tertracyclics, wellbutrin, racetams, pregabalin, gabapentin, atypical antipsychotics, lamictal, etc.

So don't worry, I know it's very hard, I've been there. Find a psychiatrist and go, stat! Your life will eventually get better. Continue to be patient but hell, do something! And I don't mean taking more irrational crap, but going to a doctor who can treat you in the best way possible!

[nootropic_addict]

I completely agree with what hooters is writing. Please don't harm yourself. You wrote the list of things you tried. There are MANY other options for depression and anxiety, and I mean MANY! There are tricyclics, tertracyclics, wellbutrin, racetams, pregabalin, gabapentin, atypical antipsychotics, lamictal, etc.

So don't worry, I know it's very hard, I've been there. Find a psychiatrist and go, stat! Your life will eventually get better. Continue to be patient but hell, do something! And I don't mean taking more irrational crap, but going to a doctor who can treat you in the best way possible!

I tried gabapentin, it gave me suicidal ideation, never trying that crap again.
racetams wtf? they're stimulants, this isn't the solution at all.
I don't want antipsychotics, they give parkinsons on long term, I'm already shaky I don't want to be more shaky like that guy :

I will talk to my MD about tricyclics and tetras, we'll see how it goes.
do something? that's what I'm doing but some people on this forum are trying to slow me down, I'm just taking what seems to be the best, what happened to you? did you have the same symptoms? how did you cure?

[Lufega]

Did you try Lysine ? Sorry, I didn't go through all 13 pages to find the answer. Lysine really helped where no other substance did.

[hooter]

I'm done trying to help you, but I assure you that my posts will resonate in your head once you irreversibly damage your mind and body with all the experimental nonsense you are subjecting yourself to. You will look back and wish that you had listened to not only me, but all the other people in this thread actively discouraging you from destroying your health completely.

Mark my words: whatever anxiety you have, cipro will make it worse. You can either believe me, or wait until you take it. I told you this about toluene, but you didn't heed my word and had to figure it out on your own. This is exactly what you will experience with cipro, possibly worse. You will take it, get worse and start complaining, possibly move on to another, more dangerous substance.

I actually asked my psychiatrist on your behalf, merely telling him the substances you are considering on taking, and he said that he would likely have you sectioned to prevent you from doing further harm to yourself. What you are doing is not 'life extension', it's not 'cognitive repair', its not 'nootropic enhancement', it's reckless endangerment and chemical self-destruction.

You seem to think everyone on the forum is 'against you', even the moderators with considerable experience trying to stop you from taking garbage. Maybe find a free clinic or stop spending your money on solvents and antibiotics so you can afford a single doctors visit.

[nootropic_addict]

I'm done trying to help you, but I assure you that my posts will resonate in your head once you irreversibly damage your mind and body with all the experimental nonsense you are subjecting yourself to. You will look back and wish that you had listened to not only me, but all the other people in this thread actively discouraging you from destroying your health completely.

Mark my words: whatever anxiety you have, cipro will make it worse. You can either believe me, or wait until you take it. I told you this about toluene, but you didn't heed my word and had to figure it out on your own. This is exactly what you will experience with cipro, possibly worse. You will take it, get worse and start complaining, possibly move on to another, more dangerous substance.

I actually asked my psychiatrist on your behalf, merely telling him the substances you are considering on taking, and he said that he would likely have you sectioned to prevent you from doing further harm to yourself. What you are doing is not 'life extension', it's not 'cognitive repair', its not 'nootropic enhancement', it's reckless endangerment and chemical self-destruction.

You seem to think everyone on the forum is 'against you', even the moderators with considerable experience trying to stop you from taking garbage. Maybe find a free clinic or stop spending your money on solvents and antibiotics so you can afford a single doctors visit.

Guess what? I'm out of this forum, you make me sick, you don't care about human life you just care about your dubius theories
but fine you won you got what you want, i won't bother anyone on this forum anymore.
i'd rather listen to my doctor than strangers on the internet.
goodbye anyone I'm leaving this place once and for all
God bless you all and God bless America

[ricca91]

I completely agree with what hooters is writing. Please don't harm yourself. You wrote the list of things you tried. There are MANY other options for depression and anxiety, and I mean MANY! There are tricyclics, tertracyclics, wellbutrin, racetams, pregabalin, gabapentin, atypical antipsychotics, lamictal, etc.

So don't worry, I know it's very hard, I've been there. Find a psychiatrist and go, stat! Your life will eventually get better. Continue to be patient but hell, do something! And I don't mean taking more irrational crap, but going to a doctor who can treat you in the best way possible!

I tried gabapentin, it gave me suicidal ideation, never trying that crap again.
racetams wtf? they're stimulants, this isn't the solution at all.
I don't want antipsychotics, they give parkinsons on long term, I'm already shaky I don't want to be more shaky like that guy :

I will talk to my MD about tricyclics and tetras, we'll see how it goes.
do something? that's what I'm doing but some people on this forum are trying to slow me down, I'm just taking what seems to be the best, what happened to you? did you have the same symptoms? how did you cure?

I'm bipolar, have been since a couple of years... I'm not cured, but in semi-remission, bipolar can't be cured. If I stop my meds, I relapse almost instantly. I waited for four years, four terrible years of self-harm, self-medication, alcohol abuse and reckless behaviour.

Until I found, with the help of a psychiatrist, my right cocktail. 200 mg of lamotrigine, 200 of quetiapine and 50 of desvenlafaxine. Plus all the supplements (NAC, rhodiola, curcumin and a couple more). Although I self medicated, I never used dangerous medications. I study medicine, so I knew about interactions, adverse effects, etc. So, it's a matter of finding the right treatment and it will take a while. The more you wait to go to a psychiatrist, the more you will suffer.

When I said "do something" I meant that you should go to a psychiatrist ASAP!

[hippocampus]

well, you say that you have too much glutamate, so what about glutamate antagonists?
maybe NAC (altough I don't know what exactly it does, it's supposed to raise glutathione and normalize excessive glutamate), methylcobalamin (also modulates glutamate), methylfolate (anxiolytic). Memantine is also glutamate antagonist. Also, you didn't say you tried zinc, but I doubt it would help you (at least not much).
You must also realize that if you need nutrients that no one will help you a lot, but if you take more at the same time, they may help you. For example, I take zinc, magnesium, lysine and so on, but not one of this is effective alone (well, it is, but it's no noticeable - but when you combine a lot of less effective nutrients you see a great effect). And please, don't shout at me or at anybody else, I (and everybody else) just want to help you.

[renfr]

DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT EVER TAKE CIPRO!
I beg you, for the love of God do not ever take that crap, it is an extremely dangerous drug.
Cipro doesn't only acts as a GABA antagonist, it displaces the benzodiazepine receptors sites!
If you want to recover from benzo withdrawal this is the worst solution.
Cipro and fluroquinolones (FQ) are totally contraindicated with benzo use!
Believe me, I read a lot about the horror of FQs, if you pass through it you'll be a lucky guy, if you don't your life will be PERMANENTLY ruined.
A small list of the semi permanent or permanent side effects :
- total insomnia for MONTHS or even years
- kidney damage
- IBS and getro intestinal troubles
- difficulty to urinate
- CNS destruction (psychosis, brain damage, memory loss, glutamate excitotoxicity, mania, mental disorders)
- TENDINOSIS ( and not tendinitis, tendinosis is PERMANENT destruction of the tendon)
This usually happens some weeks after but can occur as long as FIVE YEARS after the treatment
With tendinosis, you will be bedridden forever unless you can afford extremely expensive tendon replacement.
- Retinal damage, slow destruction of your vision
- Permanent pain all the day in all your bones (you won't even be able to type on a keyboard)
- Very loud tinnitus ( ringing of the ears)
- Extremely dry skin
- And the list goes on

Theorically all of your body can be permanently destroyed, FQs are DNA gyrase inhibitor, they DESTROY the DNA of bacterias BUT dont make the difference between YOUR DNA and the DNA of viruses.
I suggest you read that page to see how dangerous cipro is : http://ciproispoison.com
And listen to that guy who got permanently disabled by Levaquin (another FQ) :


Read and watch this and throw immediatly yout box of cipro.

If you wanna solve your issues, we can help, first what are you supplementing currently?

[hooter]

Thank you renfr for your input. Thank you so much. Downplaying the dangers of ciprofloxacin is probably the WORST idea ever. My friend who took it for a legitimate condition has permanent loss of libido. It made him 100% asexual and depersonalized. It's been years and he has not recovered. Let me just reiterate how important reading CIPROISPOISON.com is. This stuff is VILE.

[Thorsten3]

Did you try Lysine ? Sorry, I didn't go through all 13 pages to find the answer. Lysine really helped where no other substance did.

Are you able to elaborate on this a bit? What did Lysine help exactly?

Edited by Thorsten2, 13 November 2012 - 11:57 AM.