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[ramon25]

Hello, i know that soy is not a great food and has many negatives. So I avoid it, But Have recently been taking soy lecithin and was wondering if it containted estrogenogenic Isoflavones or is it just the lecithin derived from soy? thank guys

[Hebbeh]

Hello, i know that soy is not a great food and has many negatives. So I avoid it, But Have recently been taking soy lecithin and was wondering if it containted estrogenogenic Isoflavones or is it just the lecithin derived from soy? thank guys

Unlike soy protein, lecithin has little to no isoflavones. The analysis that I've seen over the years showed a trace at most and with typical doses of a tablespoon or less, you wouldn't be able to measure any possible isoflavone content if any. I've used lecithin for years with no problem but I won't touch soy protein which has both high isoflavone content and is consumed in large quantities if used. Bottom line....I wouldn't worry about it.

[ramon25]

What about the proposed high amounts of pesticides and herbacides present with the lecithin? Sorry I just read that in the process of looking for the answer... Do you know if its true??

[Hebbeh]

What about the proposed high amounts of pesticides and herbacides present with the lecithin? Sorry I just read that in the process of looking for the answer... Do you know if its true??

Not sure where you're getting that information but sounds like unsubstantiated fear mongering to me. Realize though, that in today’s world, it's doubtful that you can purchase any product in either your grocery store or health food store that doesn't have some degree of contamination of something....which includes the water out of your tap. That's just a fact of life in today’s world, unfortunately the question then becomes the "degree" of contamination and the possible health consequences of any contamination. Regardless, unless somebody can show me substantiated and verified analysis of proven substantial contamination, I'm not going to worry about it. I am more worried about contamination on the blueberries from Mexico that I just bought on sale...

[ramon25]

I think it was the weston a price foundation who was saying that, because lecithin is waste product from making soil oil, then its bleached and retaines all the herbacides and pestacides.

[Hebbeh]

I think it was the weston a price foundation who was saying that, because lecithin is waste product from making soil oil, then its bleached and retaines all the herbacides and pestacides.

ok...I see an article on weston price with excerpts from the following book.... Excerpt from Kaayla Daniel's book: The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food (New Trends, Spring 2004) I admit I didn't read it all but to me it definitely appears to be the unsubstantiated fear mongering I mentioned just due to the fact of the "sensationalizing" of the writing. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Soy is processed in much the same way and in similar facilities as all food stocks. If soy supposedly has all these pesticides and chemicals...then all foods will have the same pesticides and chemicals because it's all grown and processed the same...nothing special about how soy is grown or processed. The fact of the matter is though...if the average person saw how ANY of our food is grown and processed, they probably would have second thoughts...that's just the way it is...organic or not. It definitely appears this book was written with an agenda. And I'm sure any number of people could write similar books about every single food you can buy. Anyway, if you buy into it and are worried about it, I believe that you can buy animal sourced lecithin...but it's expensive...and you definitely don't want to know how it's processed... ...but I'm not convinced and will continue supplementing my TBSP of lecithin.

edit: If you're supplementing lecithin strictly for the choline, you could opt for either alpha-GPC, CDP, or bitartrate....but of course they would probably be sourced from China...and who knows what they may be contaminated with.

Edited by Hebbeh, 14 February 2012 - 04:13 AM.

[vader]

I think there is enough soya residue in lecithin to cause some undesirable sides in prone individuals (like gas, stomach distention, etc.). At least it does to me.

[Skyguy2005]

What you have there is WAPF propaganda. 

 

Weston A Price Foundation is the source of all the soy scaremongering about estrogenic effects and it's all bullshit. Straight from the mouth of the grass-fed dairy industry, for who they are basically a promotion group. They are especially keen to badmouth soy milk and meat substitites, you see. 

 

Like quacky guys like Mercola they are right about some things (processed foods and industrial farming are bad, etc.), but are against soy for reasons of mal-intent, not reasons of interest in the truth. 

 

Follow the trail of references of anti-soy links and you inevitably end up at the WAPF. It's a closed loop. 

 

http://unreasonable....ills_and_quacks

http://www.vegsource...ts_fiction.htm 

 

It's just bullshit bullshit bullshit with these guys, why are the Japanese so healthy and fertile and long-lived? Yeah, remember that study where old Japanese men had higher testosterone than old American men? Must be because... because... 

 

WAPF: Wilfully Antireason Phoney Fucks 

Edited by Skyguy2005, 27 August 2016 - 02:26 PM.

[aconita]

Maybe it is because Japanese don't eat soy but only various kind of fermented soy or sprouts which are not the same as soy at all, the same apply to all Asian countries where soy comes from...coincidentally.

[Oakman]

Everyone is different, but to me, if there is smoke around a subject, there's likely something going on. Isn't it easier to avoid possible problems by simply going with the choice that has no issues surrounding its production, its use, or its possible downline effects on humans?

 

I mean, sunflower lecithin is readily available, costs just a smidge more, and then it over and done and you can get on with life and more pressing things.

 

http://www.wholistic...r-blocked-ducts

https://www.autumnda...ement-and-more/

 

"Besides using lecithin as a cooking ingredient, many people take it as a nutritional supplement. Nutritionists praise it as a beneficial source of phosphatidylinositol, phosphatidylethanolamine, and phosphatidylcholine. Phosphatidylcholine is a nutrient that aids in mental recall, muscle conditioning and maintaining the nervous system. Lecithin’s greatest benefit is that it has an abundance of essential fatty acids, which are helpful to the brain.

In overall fatty acid composition, nutritionists say sunflower lecithin has virtually as much benefit as the traditional soy lecithin. Soy lecithin has slightly more palmitic acid and alpha-linolenic acid, but lecithin from sunflowers has more citric acid and linoleic acid, which is believed to help lower cholesterol levels. They are equal in the levels of oleic acid, which is touted for its ability to reduce the risk of heart disease. Some studies boast that sunflower has more choline while soy has more of the other phosopholipid components."  <  from http://www.wisegeek....er-lecithin.htm

 

Edited by Oakman, 05 September 2016 - 02:12 PM.