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[Ampa-omega]

perhaps if you used theanine at night it might free up some glutamate and make it more available during the day?
but you dont want theanine with piracetam because its a nmda antagonist

the questions regarding glutamate and the blood brain barrier i thought were worth noting. i think we all know that glutamate and minerals, (agonist)/precursers of Glu receptors will enhance piracetams effect, if its a (allosteric modulator) of Glu receptors.. so the second question, i think is, does the glutamate cross over to the brain effectively and safely? but maybe it really isnt about the precursers and more about the piracetam, piracetam has more potency on the NMDA receptors, (so.. NMDA agonist would work better right?, glycine, aspartic acid? and sarcosine) then on the other glutamate receptors. http://hightowerphar...s-volume-1.html

Edited by Ampa-omega, 07 March 2012 - 08:07 PM.

[Alpha]

Hi guys i just registered on this forum as i saw this thread..
i received my piracetam from sns and choline citrate from smart powders

dosing size for piracetam is 1g for the scooper, taking 5g a day instead of 4.8 won't have much of a difference will it?

and how should i space my dosings throughout the day, 3 times, 5 times?

Thanks!

[Orajel]

Hi guys i just registered on this forum as i saw this thread..
i received my piracetam from sns and choline citrate from smart powders

dosing size for piracetam is 1g for the scooper, taking 5g a day instead of 4.8 won't have much of a difference will it?

and how should i space my dosings throughout the day, 3 times, 5 times?

Thanks!

Forgive me if my math is off, but 4.8 grams is only about 4% less than 5 grams. It probably won't make a difference. I take 9g piracetam a day. What I know is that with piracetam taken on an empty stomach, people return to baseline around 8 hours after dosing, so space your doses about 8 hours apart.


Edit: check here for good info http://www.hyperheal...o/piracetam.htm
half life is around 4-5 hours. Its always good to check the half life of any compound you're taking.

Edited by Orajel, 08 March 2012 - 03:31 AM.

[SuperjackDid_]

Hi guys i just registered on this forum as i saw this thread..
i received my piracetam from sns and choline citrate from smart powders

dosing size for piracetam is 1g for the scooper, taking 5g a day instead of 4.8 won't have much of a difference will it?

and how should i space my dosings throughout the day, 3 times, 5 times?

Thanks!

You are so lucky ,at my day no this thread is out yet.

Try attack dose until you get some effect ,so it will s ave your time for Piracetam experimental.
Choline is not need until you get some headache .

Piracetam half life is around 5-6 hr ,but Piracetam effect built over time anyway ,but alertness/tiredness effect disappear in half life time.


One more thing about calcium ,it really improve my color shading ,like my eye/brain can distinguish more than one million color .

But it might not real Piracetam effect, because of it just make world look un-natural ,or we have more creative idea ,or just Piracetam side effect ,more sexual desired ?

Edited by Nootropix, 08 March 2012 - 03:37 AM.

[jts234]

Hi guys i just registered on this forum as i saw this thread..
i received my piracetam from sns and choline citrate from smart powders

dosing size for piracetam is 1g for the scooper, taking 5g a day instead of 4.8 won't have much of a difference will it?

and how should i space my dosings throughout the day, 3 times, 5 times?

Thanks!

Forgive me if my math is off, but 4.8 grams is only about 4% less than 5 grams. It probably won't make a difference. I take 9g piracetam a day. What I know is that with piracetam taken on an empty stomach, people return to baseline around 8 hours after dosing, so space your doses about 8 hours apart.


Edit: check here for good info http://www.hyperheal...o/piracetam.htm
half life is around 4-5 hours. Its always good to check the half life of any compound you're taking.

Solid advice here. Just take it upon rising and before breakfast, around 2 hours after lunch and 2 hours after dinner if you have a long work-day or are a student. If you have a standard 9-5, I've seen people recommending two larger doses, one upon rising and one an hour before lunch.

[Alpha]

ok, i also drink around 2 litres of milk a day and take in 5 eggs, not sure if choline would be necessary but let's wait and see

i'm going to start tomorrow with 1g of piracetam and no choline, day after that i'll try get 2g and i'll go from there

Edited by Alpha, 08 March 2012 - 04:04 AM.

[Alpha]

got another question.. so the reason to take piracetam more times throughout the day is to keep the process going? Since half life is like 5 hours..

[Orajel]

got another question.. so the reason to take piracetam more times throughout the day is to keep the process going? Since half life is like 5 hours..

Thats the idea, yes. Its not just a piracetam thing, its any compound with a short halflife. Think of extended release tablets and why those are made. If you want to keep a substance active in your system consistantly, you need to replenish that substance at the rate your body processes it.

Good example is nicotine. Nicotine, especially from cigarettes, has a short halflife. Thats why you gotta keep smoking them all day in order to keep the nicotine levels in your blood consistant.

Methamphetamine, for example, had a long halflife. depending on the person, it can be anywhere from 10-24 hours. That's why its more economical, albeit dangerous, than cocaine.

[Alpha]

just dissolved 1g with like 10ml of water... wow, nostalgic memories of cough syrup when i was a kid, this stuff tastes like complete crap lol

so got another question too.. is it necessary for me to take MSG? i don't think i get any from my diet except those salty bacon strips

and what happens if i get more than 2000 ml's of milk?

[Orajel]

MSG? I don't think msg has any benefits in particular. Tomatoes are a natural source of msg. Only you can know what happens if you drink that much milk. Too much calcium can be dangerous, keep it under 2-3grams a day.

[manic_racetam]

MSG? I don't think msg has any benefits in particular. Tomatoes are a natural source of msg. Only you can know what happens if you drink that much milk. Too much calcium can be dangerous, keep it under 2-3grams a day.

If you read through the whole thread there is lot's of information about the implications of supplementing MSG to raise glutamate levels. I'm pretty sure he's referring to those suggestions in the beginning of the thread. Personally I've never tried it.

[hooter]

just dissolved 1g with like 10ml of water... wow, nostalgic memories of cough syrup when i was a kid, this stuff tastes like complete crap lol

so got another question too.. is it necessary for me to take MSG? i don't think i get any from my diet except those salty bacon strips

and what happens if i get more than 2000 ml's of milk?

It is generally inadvisable to drink milk. It contains IGF-1, a powerful growth hormone which can accelerate existing cancers. It leads to calcium depletion and other nasty side effects. Many farmers use hormones which are then contained in the milk. It's generally not healthy, I suggest you do some research on this.

I recommend dissolving PIRACETAM in GRAPE JUICE (red is better). This very effectively masks the taste of up to 5g in a regular sized mug. This is how I take 20g a day. I shudder how it would be to use it with water or orange juice.

[Ben]

It is generally inadvisable to drink milk. It contains IGF-1, a powerful growth hormone which can accelerate existing cancers. It leads to calcium depletion and other nasty side effects. Many farmers use hormones which are then contained in the milk. It's generally not healthy, I suggest you do some research on this.

I recommend dissolving PIRACETAM in GRAPE JUICE (red is better). This very effectively masks the taste of up to 5g in a regular sized mug. This is how I take 20g a day. I shudder how it would be to use it with water or orange juice.

Oh come on. Milk isn't that bad. I drink at least 500ml a day. Should see my pecs.

Agree with you about the grape juice though. I used to take it with pomegranate syrup (jarrow-see iHerb). I'd put a big tablespoon of the stuff at the back of my tongue and then blast it down my esophagus with a big gulp of juice. Stuff tastes of malice and sadism.

[manic_racetam]

Piracetam wasn't such a bad powder to choke down. At least it didn't mess with the gag-reflex at all. I remember occasionally drinking down 12g w/ water before bed without too much of an issue. It's almost sweet in a strange chemially way. Never had much of an effect on me though.

I'm thinking of doing another trial with it at 5-6g three times a day just to see if I respond better to the larger doses.

[Alpha]

before bed...? isn't this stuff supposed to make you alert..

[manic_racetam]

before bed...? isn't this stuff supposed to make you alert..

But, Piracetam also enhances dreams in some people. I got few effects from it during the day so I decided to take high doses just before bed for meditation and dreams. It sometimes induced pretty intense myoclonic jerks as I was drifting between consciousness and I'd usually wake up tired and feel like I had a bit of water retention in my face.

Didn't do much for me to say the least but I wanted to finish it all since I'd bought a Kilo of it. So I'd randomly take larger doses when I felt like it.

Edited by manic_racetam, 09 March 2012 - 05:39 AM.

[manic_racetam]

Ok, I've decided to buy another kilo of this stuff to experiment with. Piracetam didn't work for me last time but I'm willing to do an experiment under new conditions.

In the past I tried taking piracetam every day for about 3 weeks. My dosing was about 3.5 grams three times a day. Sometimes I would take 10-14g doses but the larger doses were intermittent and I never really noticed much of an effect at all. This was surprisingly disappointing since I reacted so strongly to oxiracetam and aniracetam. Anyway, I finished the whole Kilo many moons ago and need to order some more but will update if it works for me.

So I plan on using regular old MSG from the asian supermarket because it doesn't seem to be much different than the l-glutamic acid and it will save me a few bucks. I'm gonna buy a kilo of piracetam (see the retailer/product discussion thread if you want a source for it, that's where all product discussion should take place, thanks!) and I plan to take it @ 5g - 3x per day. That's right around the 4.8g blanket dose suggestion and a hell of a lot easier to measure out with the scale I use for most things over 3 grams.

So first I'll try 5g - 3x per day. If that doesn't work, as I am predicting it won't due to past experiences, then I'll start adding MSG in incremental doses up to 150mg. If that doesn't work I'll add calcium tablets to it as well.

I have a question though, forgive me if it's a silly one. Do you think that taking calcium tablets is going to increase calcium ion concentration in my brain? If so, how long do you expect that effect to take?

[Tomas E]

Piracetam wasn't such a bad powder to choke down. At least it didn't mess with the gag-reflex at all. I remember occasionally drinking down 12g w/ water before bed without too much of an issue. It's almost sweet in a strange chemially way. Never had much of an effect on me though.

I'm thinking of doing another trial with it at 5-6g three times a day just to see if I respond better to the larger doses.

If Piracetam tastes like something its not sweet, more like bad chemical salty horrendous taste, sweet in a chemical way I would say cdp-choline is, as for going on higher and more often doses would be something I get really energetic/speedy when I do, yeasterday I was on my 4th dose where I took 5g per dose I had to eventually take some picamilon to calm down as I had huge issues sitting down, maybe abit of manic state , was interesting but not so pleasant.

I havent had any headaches or brainfog from low to high doses, except I get abit irritated at doses higher then 10g per time, still lacking the visual colors people are talking about, guess I might add oxi,ani or pramiracetam to my stack, to enhance my piracetam. Might try a 15g dose once just to see if I feel anything above the normal 5g doses I take BID.

[Gamerzneed]

Just tried 125 L-glutamic acid by itself and it made me really sleepy and kinda spacey sort of like piracetam but kind of different. 30 minutes later I took 1 gram of piracetam but it had no effect. This sucks. I tried supplementing with calcium and everything too. Looks like maybe there's actually something else as well that heavily contributes to piracetam's effects.

[hooter]

Oh come on. Milk isn't that bad. I drink at least 500ml a day. Should see my pecs.

http://www.rense.com...eral26/milk.htm

[Alpha]

well glad i live in canada, that substance along with others are banned to be put into milk

[manic_racetam]

Previously this thread was full of questions and dramatic arguments about HyperSpace21 (the OP) and their legitimacy. Those questions have been answered and results are posted in this link. I'm announcing this here to remind everyone to please keep all comments relating to that subject over in the other thread.

Regardless of the legitimacy of the "research" behind this topic, I think the subject brings up a lot of new points to discuss and personally experiment with in regards to piracetam. So lets continue learning through experimentation and discussion and if you have a bunch of emotionally charged things to say about the OP or this topic then feel free to go over to the other thread, just keep it civil.

Edited by manic_racetam, 09 March 2012 - 03:31 PM.

[lne]

Ive tried it today.

Morning dosage:
Piracetam 1500mg
Choline Bitartrate 400mg
Fish Oil
Vitamin Complex 1 pill ( It has calcium on it )
L-Glutamin 300mg

After 1hr i took Ginseng 300mg with some caffeine ( tea ).

Usually i notice the collors but today it was more intense. And it seems that the Piracetam effect has last for a longer period... much longer.

[spartan86]

Piracetam tastes like sugar for me.
It was impossible to get it down a few month ago, but after a few kg of this stuff your body gets used to it.
Colors were more vivid only a few days, way back when I started. I could never get this effect back again. Piracetam works with adrenals in some strange way.
I feel that it's like a nitro for a car. You will go fast but not for too long. So now I'm more careful with the stuff. Last time I used it with choline/inositol pills and
I did get the best results so far. Nothing exceptional, just an overall clarity of mind and satisfaction with life. Piracetam is a double-edged sword. It can cut some useful stuff too, believe me. I saw life/people differently while on it. I'll try to add calcium & alcar in the future. We'll see how it goes.
P.S. I did went manic for a day or two, but I didn't supplement choline back then. Nice feeling btw. I liked the experience afterwards, when I reflected on it. But it's nothing to aim for if you want a normal life.

Edited by spartan86, 09 March 2012 - 08:54 PM.

[renfr]

is glutamic acid the same as glutamate? isn't that dangerous? excess glutamate goes to glial cells but too much cause excitoxicity and kills your neurons, so I wonder about the safety of taking glutamate when you know that piracetam excites NMDA which leads to glutamate increase.

[hooter]

Iuse cordyceps with piracetam and I find it has a nice synergy.

Edited by hooter, 10 March 2012 - 09:57 AM.

[wowser]

is glutamic acid the same as glutamate? isn't that dangerous? excess glutamate goes to glial cells but too much cause excitoxicity and kills your neurons, so I wonder about the safety of taking glutamate when you know that piracetam excites NMDA which leads to glutamate increase.

moderators looked into this and have confirmed that this hyperspace guy is a fraud so the whole 'study' is bogus... my advice just ignore it... though nothing hyperspace suggested is 'dangerous'... i mean supplementing with 10-100mg glutamate isn't going to be in any way harmful... this fact is already made several times within this thread i think, or it might have now been moved to the 'who is hyperspace?' thread by moderators... so anyway like i said just ignore it

[Tomas E]

Piracetam tastes like sugar for me.
It was impossible to get it down a few month ago, but after a few kg of this stuff your body gets used to it.
Colors were more vivid only a few days, way back when I started. I could never get this effect back again. Piracetam works with adrenals in some strange way.
I feel that it's like a nitro for a car. You will go fast but not for too long. So now I'm more careful with the stuff. Last time I used it with choline/inositol pills and
I did get the best results so far. Nothing exceptional, just an overall clarity of mind and satisfaction with life. Piracetam is a double-edged sword. It can cut some useful stuff too, believe me. I saw life/people differently while on it. I'll try to add calcium & alcar in the future. We'll see how it goes.
P.S. I did went manic for a day or two, but I didn't supplement choline back then. Nice feeling btw. I liked the experience afterwards, when I reflected on it. But it's nothing to aim for if you want a normal life.

Really if Piracetam tastes like sugar then maybe I dident get piracetam, mine is salty and really nasty .....

[spartan86]

It depends on a person, I think. I for one have a very strange taste. Try it without water at least once.
Piracetam tastes like a low grade artificial sweetener.

[hooter]

Piracetam is supposed to be really bitter. What the hell are you guys taking?