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[sthira]

Hahaha! Anyone know this guy?! Pretty awesome!

[sthira]

"Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position."

[shadowhawk]

 

I gave its definition.  Can you give evidence for it?  Geeze 

 

Are you saying atheism doesn't exist?

 

 

No I am saying its evidence is very weak and it's a blind faith without evidence.
 

[Duchykins]

 

 

I gave its definition.  Can you give evidence for it?  Geeze 

 

Are you saying atheism doesn't exist?

 

 

No I am saying its evidence is very weak and it's a blind faith without evidence.
 

 

 

The evidence that atheism exists is very weak?  So you do doubt the existence of atheism.

Edited by Duchykins, 23 July 2015 - 08:05 PM.

[shadowhawk]

"Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a sex position."

 

 

Atheism may be a religion, see Atheist churches but it is a faith or belief that as far as this thread is blind.  There are Atheists that have some substance beside logical fallacies and name calling but few of them are here.
 

[shadowhawk]

 

 

 

I gave its definition.  Can you give evidence for it?  Geeze 

 

Are you saying atheism doesn't exist?

 

 

No I am saying its evidence is very weak and it's a blind faith without evidence.
 

 

 

The evidence that atheism exists is very weak?  So you do doubt the existence of atheism.

 

 

No, I doubt the cogency of the Atheists here who are just a bunch of rock throwing mockers.
 

[sthira]

^^Any idea why you must suffer the terrible pelts of this mockery?

[shadowhawk]

Yes and you are involved.  Here is my evidence but there is much more.  Just the tip of the iceberg of anti-theist name calling and logical fallacies.  Read them and then read the other topics and you will find thousands more just like them against a number of Theists, not just me.  Need evidence, here some of it is but it is omnipresent.  For me it started off when saw a topic, “What Is Your Faith?”  I answered “Christian,” and here came the mob of mockers.  I watched them do this over and over again to several Theists.  The mob even succeeded in getting the topic of “Is there evidence for Christianity?” locked.  Read it and you won’t see atheist arguments but bigotry.  

http://www.longecity...e-5#entry641551
http://www.longecity...e-6#entry643688

http://www.longecity...e-5#entry641557

Here is an example of civilized debate between Theists and non theists   http://www.longecity...nd/#entry480983  but dream on if you ever expect to see it in Longecity.  I came here because I was interested in life extension and health.  Little did I realize this is the only hope for non Theists who believe when the body dies it is lights out.  They are irrationally emotional and angry with anyone who believes differently.  Now is all they have.
 

[sthira]

Yes, yes, but do you have any idea why you're being mocked?

[shadowhawk]

so you are going to try to justify your mockikng by some right? 
http://www.longecity...e-5#entry641557

Yes let me hear it.

[sthira]

Yes but do YOU have any idea why?

[The Brain]

Just prove god and all will be well and don't expect others to believe in your sky daddy until that happens.
Also don't try to convince others otherwise that their beliefs are wrong and they should believe in your sky daddy because your magic book told you to do so.

Go have your beliefs but don't let them interrupt or influence my life. Keep them in your house or your church. Leave my mind and my children's minds alone, we don't want your moral code or imposed biblical ethics in our lives.
You christians should go away and live how you say you want others to live, but you fail so miserably on all of the moral and ethical values.


And stop raping children you dirty fuckers.

[sthira]

^^ Hmm. Ever ask yourself (Shadowhawk) why anyone would have such harsh and ugly words about God?

[shadowhawk]

Yes but do YOU have any idea why?

 

Yes here is an example from you, why.

 

"IS THERE EVIDENCE FOR CHRISTIANITY???" topic
http://www.longecity...ty/#entry614862
STHIRA, AD HOMININE ATTACKS, NAME CALLING, OFF TOPIC DERAILMENTS, VIOLATION OF THE FORUM RULES, LOGICAL FALLACIES.
Atheists can’t stand a rational free speach discussion of the issues.
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Forum Rulls http://www.longecity...390#entry639554
Oct 9, 2013

"The idea of God is passed genetically, God has been naturally selected. The idea could also be a virus we catch that has different strains, eg, Hinduism, Judaism, Baha'i... The idea of God could also be part of Jung's collective unconscious. Or whatever. The idea of God has many manifestations, some of which may be too wild and far out for suburban Christian heads. ...
no one knows if God is real or God is not real
http://www.longecity...ty/#entry616774
Most of us (scientists, academicians, thinkers, artists) are trained to ignore Jesus people. As best as we can we try to ignore you. Dear God: Save Us From Your Followers. But you're noisy, you're persistent, and you're annoying. ...
we don't believe the same fucked up schizophrenic wrathful shit you do.... Do you realize how crazy you appear? Nope. So rather than engage you in crazy, we ignore you, we let you go away: just go: just go: and just go: and just go away and believe whatever you'd like. Go in peace, man: freedom OF religion also means freedom FROM religion. ...Your history is a bloodbath. You've exiled, tortured, or killed those who won't adhere to your faith. You've done it before, you'll probably do it again. You'll exile, torture or kill we who don't find you pleasant or nice. History repeats itself, and as sure as the sun rises your violent history will attempt to repeat. Until then: go in peace, and we'll work to stop you from committing more violence.
http://www.longecity...ty/#entry618128
What I don't understand is the shame associated with the simple fact that we don't know if god exists or not. Do humble puja and repeat ten thousand times: we don't know. What's wrong with ignorance? Amazing things exist within this universe of which we're ignorant. Why then is ignorance of illogical, supernatural entities so shameful to religious people who must prove their gods exist or else all be damned?...
http://www.longecity..._90#entry623539
This is the better conversation to have, imho, rather than rehashing ad nauseum the same ole religio-shiz. We created mean, grandfatherly bearded sky god(s) and then dismantled them centuries ago. As Nietzsche wrote "...not everyone has gotten the news..."...we know that we don't know if god exists. We also know we don't know if other dimensions exist beyond these in which we're encased. We don't know what happens beyond the speed of light, for example, but we calculate that time and space "cease to exist." Past the speed of light is completely irrational to us -- like god -- but that doesn't necessarily mean new realities or dimensions cannot unfold past our reasoned limits. But until we have evidence of "more" than what's in this universe then it's faith and the wild ass speculation of scifi. Cosmology is fun! It's a pity that religiosity infects it in the pop arena.
http://www.longecity..._90#entry623606
Do tell us how "we are getting close" God is coming soon? Do you have direct communication with the Almighty? Is He giving you a voice?
http://www.longecity..._90#entry623751
We see this reflected in you: you've been repeatedly shown you're mistaken in much of your copy and paste bold big-fonted words, and yet you keep shouting on and on in your threatening little charming cardboard cutout manner. Stick around and keep proselytizing for Jesus -- you're great, ur amusing us! Dance, little puppet for j-dolla bill.
http://www.longecity...120#entry625216
A few questions. First, do you read responses? If so do you understand what you've read? Do you struggle with reading comprehension?... A few more questions. Do you write? Are you able to form your own thoughts and express them, or is it all just copy, paste, and videos of others' ideas? Do you have thoughts on these matters you're able to communicate?
http://www.longecity...120#entry625294
Yeah, I agree he's a funny fellow. Generally, I'm not too interested in religious people or thought, and I'm not quite sure why I keep posting stuff here. SH is amusing, but I agree I'd like to see more original thought, and less of other people's ideas. If I want to know what some Jesus channel darling has to say I guess I'd find it on my own. He appears to be proselytizing for whatever reason, who knows....
http://www.longecity...120#entry625428
...if we're talking about the Xtian god of SH, then I'm with you: it's a myth that we've outgrown. It's dying a slow painful death, and we say good riddance. Once upon a time this Xtian god was clearly useful to certain sections of the human population (mostly white, power-holding males) but today it's antiquated and in need of updates.
http://www.longecity...300#entry635499
Maybe god doesn't want us to believe in god. Since god won't give us one clue or another, god wants us to be atheists. God is like way too almighty to be acknowledged. You know, like high school. God is the really boss kid and too cool to nod a simple "Hi!" to the rest of us dorks straggling in the hallways of life. ...
http://www.longecity...330#entry638013
If god sparked the big bang -- bully for you, god, thanks for our suffering little lives. But what does god's existence or non-existence have to do with anyone's daily life since god doesn't care one way or another about ongoing communication?
http://www.longecity...360#entry638099
God: Now I shall appoint you, Shadowhawk, as my hawkingly shadowy voice. On an internet forum about vitamins, thou shalt use giant, colored fonts to argue up my Being...
Shadowhawk: thanks, God, I'll post a bunch of random YouTube polemics, repeat ad nauseum lists of the names and descriptions of logical fallacies ("I teach logic" you know), and then I'll copy and paste other dude's sentences about your glorious glory, etc, etc....
God: thou shalt do these things and more, Shadowhawk, since I'm too almightily cool for any of those human fuckwads on that tiresome nootropically obsessed site
http://www.longecity...360#entry638109
Of course there's evidence for Christianity: HIV. According to yall ztians, God gives AIDS to people he doesn't like. But like Sarah Silverman reminds -- when god gives you AIDS, it's an opportunity to make lemon-AIDS.
http://www.longecity...390#entry639590
Jerry Fallwell says: "AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."
Thus, God's existence is proven
http://www.longecity...390#entry639596
Haha oh shiiit this is so messed up. But I quote:
"God proved His love on the Cross. When Christ hung, and bled, and died, it was God saying to the world, 'I love you.'
Billy Graham
http://www.longecity...390#entry639598
Deuteronomy 23:1: "No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."
Durn, god, I don't know about you, god. But that shit just doesn't sound like a decent way for you to be behaving, dear god. God? Well, god or however we're supposed to address You. Your Youness. Your Highly High & All Alliness. Uppidy Upness, I mean, gosh god we don't even know how You would like us to address Your Youness since You won't say. Do You like our names? Do you, You? ...
But really it's a fucking insult to intelligence that the god-chase expressed so awfully in this thread continues ad nauseum. Let's kick god the hell out forever. Bye-bye god, fare thee well, god, and do come back if you ever feel like helping to relieve any of the suffering of your creatures. Meanwhile, we sinful and hated little humans will stick to science and technology to solve our problems and heal our wounds
http://www.longecity...390#entry639618
A world without God would be a far better, friendlier and happier place....Kick out god, and nothing changes (since god doesn't exist anyway) and everything changes for the better for us: one example: the centuries-old burden of hatred amongst people fighting over whose god is coolest disappears. Bye, god. Maybe we can all relax and breathe again without all these god people shouting over our higher sensibilities....Kick out god, and we still adhere to the laws of the land and the moral codes taught to us by our societies and parents....
End the belief in god, and we could learn to have greater respect for planet Earth and all of its beautiful life. Human life is special and cool, sure, but we ain't the center of the shit. If all humans disappear, then all beliefs in god disappear right alongside them.....
Bye-bye, God. Good riddance, and have fun being as non-existent as you've always been.
http://www.longecity...420#entry639870
Meanwhile, SH has friends who died from HIV. I'm genuinely sorry to hear about your losses. Honestly, sincerely. In the same breath I'd also like to know if you believe as your Christian colleagues believe that god sent AIDS as a punishment not only to homosexuals, but god also is punishing the society that "permits" (haha such weird language) homosexuals?...
Dear Shadowhawk: did god send AIDS to punish people?

http://www.longecity...420#entry639876
SH's ztian god doesn't even rank in the top ten of today's most interesting and hip gods. According to godchecker.com (pst: and that's using their patented GodRank™ technology) the angry old fart-knocker ztian god ain't even in the top 15....
Check out Raven! ...
All Shall Worship Now The Great God Raven! Way more interesting...
http://www.longecity...420#entry639909
Haha! Awesome! I still think this thread could use a big ole slobby happy innocent healthy hug. Imagine that! A hug full of haters! Hugging each other with stoic grit and determination hoping the entire "intimate" experience doesn't break down into godlessly heathenistically awful burning iches of sin. And Hell! To which love ALL shall burn in HELL for ETERNITY. Exclamation point.... And here now behold, in the ancient halls of this newborn tech art of internet forums we have the mighty Shadowhawk compiling the world's finest arguments and videos for the Cheering of Christianization. Breathtaking! Oh! Finely done, gentlemen, finely done! Give that boy a brandy! Give em a cigar! What great art amongst such heartlessly cruel interlocutors, we clap our hands for you! Cheer! Oh! Shadowhawk! Magnificent! What a treasure that you're compiling all this trash! Kinda like the Walmart of Christianity. Shop here for "Bravery" and turn down this aisle for "Wrath!". Boo-hoo no, not Christmas "Wreaths" but Christian WRATH!....Please entitle your monument to: (large caps, huge red font) Shadowhawk's Journey: From Trash To Wrath. Your first book title! Oh, totally do this, man. Please self-publish all your work for Future Generations. Exclamation points all around!
http://www.longecity...420#entry640001
Right on, man. And trust me I think we're all being as gentle with this writer as possible. Well. Hmm. Maybe sometimes lines get crossed over the thread -- smeared, scratched -- and it's hard to see out the window (so to speak since you're an artist). Disrespectful and rude, awful language we've tapped here amongst us. Is this healthy? Tapping little violence. Venting religious animosity on public forums -- is this good for society or not? I don't know. Maybe more information, more education, more quiet, reflective moments alone with these massively complex issues -- god, the universe, human ethics and behavior, historical tragedies -- maybe all would be healthier faced alone than internet shouting. Maybe some venting is healthy. Or are we just poking deep wounds?
http://www.longecity...420#entry640005
....That's why I asked if you know how to read. Do you? All of your dumping is your dumping, it's yours, it's right here. The rest of us -- why are we bothering, we're bored & curious (?) -- we are merely doing our best to respond to this load of words, videos, deep drama you've spat down upon all....You have not given us evidence for god. You've given us other people's ideas concerning why they believe god exists....In this thread and others you've repeatedly copied and pasted many logical fallacies, their names and descriptions. Again, do you know how to read what you're pasting?...It's true that arguments are not evidence for God's existence. God appearing to us (eg, like someone wrote above, a big moon face or something) that might work.
....If god exists, god will show itself. Is it any of your business? Have you ever considered that maybe god won't give you the evidence you need because god doesn't want you to know? Since god isn't saying one way or another, the possibility that god exists but doesn't want you to know is equal to saying god exists and your sources contain evidence....Yes, you keep saying this over and over. What evidence did you, Shadowhawk, bring forth that has not been addressed. Please don't throw up more links & videos & fallacies & forum rule violations. State is simple, plain language your evidence that god exists that we have not already answered here in this thread....

Yes, we tell you that you're stupid because you possibly are very stupid. Stop being stupid, and we'll stop telling you you're being stupid....Or (and I doubt you're reading) a lighter way to think about you: if you don't like having your beliefs laughed then you shouldn't have such funny beliefs

.Did you read all these books? Again: can you read all these books?

Also up there you've quoted loads of my writing. Some of it's really silly and meant to be silly. Because I'm a human being, and human beings love absurdity. We're messy, we're human, and I guess if god made me then god made me sometimes silly, too....Unless Satan Did It! And you still have not answered: do you believe in Satan, Shadowhawk? I think that's a relevant, on topic question given the ponderous nature of this collection of stuff here in this thread.
http://www.longecity...420#entry640514
And god says to me: You! sthira! Don't there thumbing through the lonely planet guide down there on the lonely planet-- You Shall Partake In Humanity's Genetically Passed And Passed Ancient Curiosity With Humanity's Stupid People. The town idiot: what will he say next? -- he shall please you. But you must feed him, so eat, Shadowhawk so you may keep the drama unfurling. (although, eh, god we're read this book so many times before, we're bored, show us something new, dear god, so we may reaffirm our belief in you. (some of us kinda beg for that from you, god) "
http://www.longecity...420#entry640525

FORUM RULES
http://www.longecity...390#entry639554

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[sthira]

Haha, yeah yeah you've courageously withstood my relentless persecution and collected and reposted it all before many times. Like a weird old psychotic. Or like Santa Claus! Keeping tabs on who is naughty and who is nice. Guess I'm naughty and getting another sack of coal for Christmas 2015 like I got a sack of coal for 2014 and 2013... Haha, naughty girl...

Meanwhile, why do you think you're the target of such meanness?

[shadowhawk]

Haha, yeah yeah you've courageously withstood my relentless persecution and collected and reposted it all before many times. Like a weird old psychotic. Or like Santa Claus! Keeping tabs on who is naughty and who is nice. Guess I'm naughty and getting another sack of coal for Christmas 2015 like I got a sack of coal for 2014 and 2013... Haha, naughty girl...

Meanwhile, why do you think you're the target of such meanness?

 

See all you are is a mocker.    Why are you a mocker spewing out logical fallacies and ad hominems, I don't know.  I don't know you so don't ask me for a psych evaluation.  Back to the topic.    

 

[The Brain]

Your assholeness takes the thread off topic frequently

[sthira]

Well, I'm not ALL a mocker, no. Sometimes I mock, sometimes I dont. Sometimes I laugh, I'm light, life is funny, I love life and have a good time. But I realize you're a very, very serious fellow. Very serious. And your God is too. Stern. Very serious about all this stuff. No room for anythibg funny, intricate, nuanced. All black and white, zero and one, yes sir, no sir, we're all sinners, but hey! Hey! One more time, I've asked like five or four or ten thousand times now :::

Why do YOU think you are the object of such mockery? Because you've astutely noticed nearly everyone mocks you -- not just hot little sthira... Everyone! Why do you think that happens?

[shadowhawk]

And for five or six times I gave you the reason.  Mockers like you and others mock all theists that come in here.  I gave you an example of your mocking.  It isn't just me but I happen to not care.  Many have left.  And it is not "Everyone" another example of your exaggeration.  However I have stood up against quite a crowd.  So, do you want to get back to the topic or do you want to continue this?  What other ad hominem can you dream up.  Rave on.

 

Again there are many reasons New Atheists and fellow travelers do this all over the internet.  We live in a rude and crude culture which is becoming more so every day.  I know you want to make this about me so you can continue your little hatchet job but look in the mirror.

[sthira]

But you're still not answering why do you think you're so mocked? Haha... I know you've been mocked, and I know I've mocked you and you've deftly shown me the stuff. Haha...

We mock you. Yes. But why? You're still not answering, में गंदा बूढ़े आदमी.. Because we live in a rude and crude culture? That's it?!

[shadowhawk]

I get mocked because there are people like you who have done it a long time.  For what ever reason, they have nothing to say except to be rude and crude and think they have made some point.  Not interested. 

[sthira]

All you've said is you get mocked because you get mocked. We know you're not interested in introspection, but WHY do you think you get mocked? Why? No one else here is getting mocked except a few others who say goofy stuff.

You, mocked, why? How much plainer can I ask it? Why, you, mocked? Mocked, you, why?

You say I am mocked because I am mocked in a similar way that you say God exists because God exists... But that parallel is gonna throw you for a loop -- you, mocked, why?

[Duchykins]

Well, SH, it seems we have upset you out of your trolling for about ten seconds.  Or at least Sthira did.

 

Your asshattery is plain from page one if this thread; your undignified responses to legitimate points raised by the first atheists here set the tone for the entire thread.  That's on you.   

 

I don't see any mods in here warning us, probably because they can see how much of a hypocrite and a clown you've been.

 

Last year, I engaged you for the first time.  You were not interested in intellectual discourse.  You began mocking me immediately.  Now you want to cry because we're making jokes in this thread?

 

It's pretty obvious that you're not serious in any of this, so why should anybody else take this seriously?  Or take you seriously?

 

You're told again and again that your questions are all wrong, your arguments are poorly worded, incoherent and frankly idiotic considering the topic ("prove atheism is true lololol"), your demands are irrational, you build beaucoup straw men of atheism, you try to force some bullshit "new atheist" position on every last atheist in the world despite them saying they believe something different ... it doesn't matter, you pretend nobody said anything at all.

 

So fuck it, right?  We're just going to have a good time, there's no reason to waste any more energy on serious replies to your inanity.

 

 

 

 

... So whatever, it's time to return to PROOFS FOR THE EXISTENCE OF ATHEISM!   

 

I'll post more soon.

[Duchykins]

One last thing; I think SH has done everything in the book "How to Make an Ass of Yourself in Front of Atheists" except insist that I am a moral relativist because I am an atheist (which is a very popular one with the anti-atheists).  He might have but I don't remember any specifics; his list of offenses is pretty long.  His fellow Christian Valor sure did it to me though, in his own thread.

 

You can't reasonably demand that someone defend a position they disagree with.  It's absurd.

[sthira]

^^ naw, I think defending a position we disagree with is an interesting way to learn the other side's point of view. But I'm sure you agree with that, too. I could try to defend the view that God exists, for example, and you could do it, too, and very well, I'd wager. The thing is we don't know if God exists or not, like I've said 63 trillion times now. And like Bill Maher says in that clip that won't load up there -- if God proved God exists right now, we'd all just say wow, we were wrong, thanks, praise God...

But I still would like to hear why Shadowhawk thinks he is maligned here. He genuinely doesn't know, I don't think, and for some reason that really really bothers me. I guess I just worry about people a little, feel sad for them, I mean, it's really quite sad to see...

Anyway, if atheism is the assertion that No God Exists, then Shadowhawk is correct to say to yall: prove it. Because you can't. No one can. And I seriously doubt anyone is really a full-on atheist. I mean, some probably are... But aren't you, Duchykins, more like in a state of not knowing, or ignorance, than the belief that no God exists?

[The Brain]

Well, SH, it seems we have upset you out of your trolling for about ten seconds. Or at least Sthira did.

Your asshattery is plain from page one if this thread; your undignified responses to legitimate points raised by the first atheists here set the tone for the entire thread. That's on you.

I don't see any mods in here warning us, probably because they can see how much of a hypocrite and a clown you've been.

Oh how all very true. Lol

[Duchykins]

No, I completely agree that trying to argue for another's position is a good way to see from their perspective as well as to test your own, but that's not something that should be demanded or expected of you, as SH is doing to us.

 

SH has been told time and time again that atheism is a position of a single belief -- even if we agree for sake of argument that atheism is the belief that there are no gods, that is one lone belief.  It is not an assertion of knowledge or truth.

 

Nor is it a whole system of beliefs which SH continuously insists it is despite quoting from multiple sources the definition of atheism which is one position on belief in gods.  

 

It does not say anything about what else that atheist believes; it doesn't say anything about that atheist's moral philosophy, or favored epistemology, what else that atheist believes about the world's religions, or how that atheist came to his or her atheism.    This is the fatal flaw in all of SH's arguments, they all revolve around a strict and specific preconstructed view of atheism as an entire belief system (which is what that "new atheism" is) that does not represent the average atheist.

 

I have already personally said of myself on more than one occasion that I am an agnostic atheist.    I just say atheist because I really assume agnosticism is a default for damn near everyone, so putting the agnostic there is a bit redundant.  I've also said of myself that I favor a pandeism or naturalistic pantheism from a wistful position (though not a strictly logical one).  I've emphatically stated numerous times how much I disagree with the popularized "new atheism" and don't particularly have more respect for it than ordinary theism.

 

This doesn't have any effect on SH; he just bulldozes right over it and keeps insisting we're these "new atheists."

[sthira]

Thanks, Duchykins. It's nice to actually have a dialogue rather than just the silly bickering that's so captivating here. As you're reading this and saving it into my creepy sthira file or whatever, dear Shadowhawk, recognize and let it sink in that all of us here think discussing the topic of God, theism, atheism an whatnot are very interesting and worthy pursuits. It's just that you, Shadowhawk, don't seem to want to just let down your dogma for a bit, and just be free, open, and discuss these hearty topics with curiosity rather than attempting to jam it, or whatever.

Longevity is the purpose of the site here. And if we're gonna live a really long time, then learning HOW to discuss religion and God is gonna be something we're going to have to learn to master. God is a really, really cool topic to explore. But it's just so damned disappointing to me that we can't discuss God with more maturity and fewer pre-programmed agendas. God is interesting -- lets talk about God purely and without proselyzation for a change. Now THAT would be revolutionary!

[Duchykins]

I like that sentiment.

 

I think an apt analogy for what Shadowhawk does here is a little like this:

 

Say you have some conservative guy talking about premarital sex, saying that it's a major cause of society's problems.  Then you have a liberal saying "nah I don't believe you're quite right about that"  ... then Shadowhawk jumps in and says "where's the evidence for liberalism" .... 

 

 

... whatthefuck?!

[The Brain]

I think Shadowdork may be an online stalker, keeping a spreadsheet on all his haters .......