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#31 wowser

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 02:02 PM

but excess niacin is neurotoxic... so taking that for long periods isnt a good idea either is it?



Theoretically, right? Yet many have taken 3 grams of niacin for decades. See, for instance, what Dr. Hoffer has to say about it--

http://www.doctoryou...cinreviews.html

But when it comes to clearing out phosphorylated tau, using it occasionally might be sufficient.


no, not theoretically... excess niacin is neurotoxic. period.... im totally positive about that... and many people have smoked for decades without getting cancer but that dont mean smoking dont cause cancer does it? but i think ur idea bout using niacin occasionally might be ok... i dunno... id have to let a science geek answer that for u as its a bit over my head! lol!

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 02:09 PM

but excess niacin is neurotoxic... so taking that for long periods isnt a good idea either is it?



Theoretically, right? Yet many have taken 3 grams of niacin for decades. See, for instance, what Dr. Hoffer has to say about it--

http://www.doctoryou...cinreviews.html

But when it comes to clearing out phosphorylated tau, using it occasionally might be sufficient.


no, not theoretically... excess niacin is neurotoxic. period.... im totally positive about that... and many people have smoked for decades without getting cancer but that dont mean smoking dont cause cancer does it? but i think ur idea bout using niacin occasionally might be ok... i dunno... id have to let a science geek answer that for u as its a bit over my head! lol!


Your source?

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 02:35 PM

but excess niacin is neurotoxic... so taking that for long periods isnt a good idea either is it?



Theoretically, right? Yet many have taken 3 grams of niacin for decades. See, for instance, what Dr. Hoffer has to say about it--

http://www.doctoryou...cinreviews.html

But when it comes to clearing out phosphorylated tau, using it occasionally might be sufficient.


no, not theoretically... excess niacin is neurotoxic. period.... im totally positive about that... and many people have smoked for decades without getting cancer but that dont mean smoking dont cause cancer does it? but i think ur idea bout using niacin occasionally might be ok... i dunno... id have to let a science geek answer that for u as its a bit over my head! lol!


Your source?


ah... i think ive dug myself into a hole... i embarrassed to have to say "i read it somewhere"! lol!

sorry, im a bit new at this... u better take what i said with a pinch of salt, unless some science geek can jump in and save me from embarrassing myself!

i cant for the life of me remember exactly where i read it except for the fact that it was to do with the fact that scientologists take lots of niacin and why that is a bad idea... something to do with an enzyme converting the excess niacin into something else thats a neurotoxin... sorry for making such a bold statement without being able to back it up!

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 03:30 PM

i cant for the life of me remember exactly where i read it except for the fact that it was to do with the fact that scientologists take lots of niacin and why that is a bad idea...


There was a story in the New York Post called "The Rundown on Scientology's Purification Rundown," which was the sort of scare propaganda used with illegal drugs. Sure, if the unwary took grams of the stuff they might be rushed to the hospital thinking they were going to die from an allergic reaction. This dose level is something you have to work up to gradually, as the harmless flush from dilated capillaries can be scary if you haven't experienced it. Anyway, this was from the story:

Taking niacin in such high amounts can be, to put it lightly, extremely hazardous to one’s health, according to Dr. Manoj K. Mittal, a fellow in Emergency Medicine at The Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. In a case study that appeared in April’s edition of the Annals of Emergency Medicine, Mittal reported on two adults and two adolescents who suffered serious side effects from taking large amounts of niacin as a vitamin supplement. Both adult patients suffered skin irritation, while both adolescents had potentially fatal reactions to niacin—including liver toxicity and hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) as well as nausea, vomiting and dizziness. One of the teens even experienced heart palpitations. All four patients recovered after treatment.


"Treatment" would consist of drinking several glasses of water. This doctor knew very little about niacin, apparently.

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 04:05 PM

Hey xEva .. check out this http://www.longecity...ope-for-humans/ ... there's alot there, is the LDL the same thing as the plaque there talking about?

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 12:25 AM

Theoretically, right? Yet many have taken 3 grams of niacin for decades.


Have you taken niacin for decades? I'm curious as to your body composition.

There were many studies on it, and large quantities daily were found to be toxic to the liver. Even in small quantities it has a distinct metabolic effect of completely suppressing adipocyte lipolysis, which lowers free fatty acids concentration in plasma, for about 2-3 hours, following which there is a rebound flood of FFAs that in turn promotes insulin resistance. All this has a destabilizing effect on metabolism.

You can read all this, if you google for the papers on nicotinic acid for the past 5 years.


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I mean, it has its place when its distinct effect on FFAs concentration can be exploited with a specific goal in mind, but other than that I'd be cautious with it.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 12:41 AM

Theoretically, right? Yet many have taken 3 grams of niacin for decades.


Have you taken niacin for decades? I'm curious as to your body composition.

There were many studies on it, and large quantities daily were found to be toxic to the liver. Even in small quantities it has a distinct metabolic effect of completely suppressing adipocyte lipolysis, which lowers free fatty acids concentration in plasma, for about 2-3 hours, following which there is a rebound flood of FFAs that in turn promotes insulin resistance. All this has a destabilizing effect on metabolism.

You can read all this, if you google for the papers on nicotinic acid for the past 5 years.


PS
I mean, it has its place when its distinct effect on FFAs concentration can be exploited with a specific goal in mind, but other than that I'd be cautious with it.


Yeah, I took 3 grams a day for about twenty years. I never had any problems with it except for the acidity. Since I stopped, I've been diagnosed with high cholesterol, so perhaps I should have kept up with it.

As for liver damage, that was associated with the sustained release version, I believe.

Edited by Turnbuckle, 12 March 2012 - 12:43 AM.


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Posted 12 March 2012 - 12:48 AM

Hey xEva .. check out this http://www.longecity...ope-for-humans/ ... there's alot there, is the LDL the same thing as the plaque there talking about?


No, elovefire. The plaque they are talking about is the Alzeimer's plaque. And the drug in that thread is a form of vit A (sort of). As for for the mechanism of ashwagandha here, I am sorry, I don'y know much in this area to be of help :sad:

But! googling "LRP1 agonist" I just bumped into this, for example:

Jan 3, 2012 – Macrophage expression of LRP1, a receptor for apoptotic cells and ... blood cells, which was sensitive to inhibition by the LRP1-agonist RAP.


Now, I don't know what RAP stands for, but it could be something useful. perhaps?

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 03:12 AM

Well, RAP stands for receptor associated protein and the funny thing that in some places it is referred to as LRP1 agonist and in others as antagonist, and in one paper both, in different places. Regardless, I doubt that could be of any use to your grandpa.

But this LRP1 turned out an interesting character. Google gave many links to a patent that was applied for in May 2011 for "a pharmaceutical composition comprising an LRP1 receptor agonist for use in the treatment of cancer characterized by Wnt signaling pathway and for the treatment of an HIV-infection".

Here is some good info on LRP1:

http://physrev.physi...t/88/3/887.full

LRP1 Controls Intracellular Cholesterol Storage and Fatty Acid Synthesis through Modulation of Wnt Signaling

The LDL receptor-related protein (originally called LRP, but now referred to as LRP1) is a large endocytic receptor that is widely expressed in several tissues. LRP1 is a member of the LDL receptor family that plays diverse roles in various biological processes including lipoprotein metabolism, degradation of proteases, activation of lysosomal enzymes, and cellular entry of bacterial toxins and viruses. Deletion of the LRP1 gene leads to lethality in mice, revealing a critical, but as of yet, undefined role in development. Tissue-specific gene deletion studies reveal an important contribution of LRP1 in the vasculature, central nervous system, macrophages, and adipocytes. Three important properties of LRP1 dictate its diverse role in physiology: 1) its ability to recognize more than 30 distinct ligands, 2) its ability to bind a large number of cytoplasmic adaptor proteins via determinants located on its cytoplasmic domain in a phosphorylation-specific manner, and 3) its ability to associate with and modulate the activity of other transmembrane receptors such as integrins and receptor tyrosine kinases.

The low-density lipoprotein receptor-related protein 1 (LRP1) is a multifunctional cell surface receptor. Two NPXY motifs in the intracellular domain (ICD) serve as docking sites for several cytoplasmic adaptor proteins... which control intracellular trafficking, as well as signaling events. LRP1 interacts with and mediates endocytosis of more than 40 unrelated ligands ranging from viruses to protease/protease inhibitor complexes, cytokines, and growth factors. In the liver, LRP1 and the LDL receptor (LDLr) share the endocytosis and subsequent degradation of TG-rich very-low-density lipoproteins and chylomicron remnants. However, endocytosis and clearance of macromolecules is only one function of LRP1. There is now substantial evidence that LRP1 also serves as a regulator of several fundamental signal transduction pathways that are essential for cell migration, cell proliferation, and vascular remodeling. For instance, LRP1 post-translationally modulates and integrates TGFβ1 and PDGF signals in vascular smooth muscle cells (VSMC), which is essential for protecting the vessel wall from atherosclerosis. A prominent feature of atherosclerotic lesions is the accumulation of cholesterol in the vascular wall, raising the possibility that LRP1 might also physiologically modulate lipid trafficking and storage in adipocytes. Here, we show that LRP1 controls signaling pathways involved in cholesterol storage and fatty acid synthesis during adipocyte differentiation.


http://www.jbc.org/c...4/49/34045.full

Low Density Lipoprotein Receptor-related Protein 1 Promotes Anti-apoptotic Signaling in Neurons by Activating Akt Survival Pathway

The low density lipoprotein receptor-related protein 1 (LRP1) is a multi-ligand receptor abundantly expressed in neurons. Previous work has shown that brain LRP1 levels are decreased during aging and in Alzheimer disease. Although mounting evidence has demonstrated a role for LRP1 in the metabolism of apolipoprotein E/lipoprotein and amyloid-β peptide, whether LRP1 also plays a direct role in neuronal survival is not clear. Here, we show that LRP1 expression is critical for the survival of primary neurons under stress conditions including trophic withdrawal, the presence of apoptosis inducers, or amyloid-β-induced neurotoxicity. Using lentiviral short hairpin RNA to knock down endogenous LRP1 expression, we showed that a depletion of LRP1 leads to an activation of caspase-3 and increased neuronal apoptosis, an effect that was rescued by a caspase-3 inhibitor. A correlation between decreased Akt phosphorylation and the activation of caspase-3 was demonstrated in LRP1 knocked down neurons. Notably, LRP1 knockdown decreased insulin receptor levels in primary neurons, suggesting that decreased neuronal survival might be a consequence of an impaired insulin receptor signaling pathway. Correspondingly, both insulin receptor and phospho-Akt levels were decreased in LRP1 forebrain knock-out mice. These results demonstrate that LRP1 mediates anti-apoptotic function in neurons by regulating insulin receptor and the Akt survival pathway and suggest that restoring LRP1 expression in Alzheimer disease brain might be beneficial to inhibiting neurodegeneration.

Originally described as a clearance receptor for lipoproteins in the liver, the low density lipoprotein receptor-related protein 1 (LRP1)2 plays essential roles in development and mediates important tissue-specific functions throughout adulthood. These include regulation of glutamatergic synaptic transmission in the nervous system, prevention of vascular smooth muscle cell proliferation and atherosclerosis development, catabolism of activated coagulation factor VIII in hepatocytes, and regulation of body energy by adipocytes (1, 2). Mounting evidence suggests an important role for LRP1 in the pathogenesis of Alzheimer disease (AD). LRP1 regulates the production and clearance of amyloid-β (Aβ) peptide and the metabolism of several AD-associated ligands, including apolipoprotein E (apoE), which has three isoforms in humans with apoE4 being a major risk factor for late onset AD.

...In AD patients and in the elderly, brain LRP1 levels are significantly decreased and inversely correlate with the age of onset of AD, suggesting that a decrease in LRP1 functions might contribute to cognitive decline.


http://www.ncbi.nlm....ertype=abstract

Lipoprotein Receptor LRP1 Regulates Leptin Signaling and Energy Homeostasis in the Adult Central Nervous System

Here we show that the lipoprotein receptor LRP1 regulates leptin signaling and energy homeostasis. Conditional deletion of the Lrp1 gene in the brain resulted in an obese phenotype characterized by increased food intake, decreased energy consumption, and decreased leptin signaling. LRP1 directly binds to leptin and the leptin receptor complex and is required for leptin receptor phosphorylation and Stat3 activation. We further showed that deletion of the Lrp1 gene specifically in the hypothalamus by Cre lentivirus injection is sufficient to trigger accelerated weight gain. Together, our results demonstrate that the lipoprotein receptor LRP1, which is critical in lipid metabolism, also regulates food intake and energy homeostasis in the adult central nervous system.


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The lab also demonstrated that the increased low-density lipoprotein receptor-related protein 1 (LRP1) expression in glioblastoma promotes tumor cell migration and invasion by upregulating the expression of several metalloproteases.


The Unfolded Protein Response Is a Major Mechanism by Which LRP1 Regulates Schwann Cell Survival after Injury. 2011

And finally, wiki genes on LPR1: http://www.wikigenes...ene/e/4035.html



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Edited by xEva, 12 March 2012 - 03:13 AM.


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Posted 08 May 2012 - 02:12 AM

http://articles.time...-mice-alzheimer looks like they just found a "cure"... guess what it is.. Ashwagandha

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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:24 PM

http://articles.time...-mice-alzheimer looks like they just found a "cure"... guess what it is.. Ashwagandha


DUDE!!!
It was established in post # 6 already that it was Ashwagandha! Withania Somnifera IS Ashwagandha.
It was also established that an EXTRACT was made from the ashwaganda.
This extract contains 75% withanolides and 20% withanosides.
You need to give grandpa (and possibly yourself :) ) 1 gram of this extract for every kilogram that he weighs.
So if he weighs 60kg; you need to give him 60 grams. 70kg - 70 grams etc. Not 3kilograms!

Now the extract is made as follows:
First add some Chloroform to some Ashwaganda.
Let it stand for ??? (The time for dissolution isnt given. till it stops changin colour I suppose)
Then you pour off the Chloroform and add some Methanol to the same Ashwagandha.
Let it stand for ??? (Again the time for dissolution isnt given)
Now you have both Chloroform with the dissolved Ashwaganda in it AND Methanol with the dissolved Ashwaganda in it.
Then you evaporate the chloroform and methanol and keep whats left when its completely dry.
This will be the Aswaganda that was dissolved in both the chloroform and methanol.
Mix the two and give the mixture to your grandpa according to the dosage explained above.

Note that your the is a huge difference between a rat and a person.
This means that it may not work in people as it does in rats.
Also there is a conversion factor for working out the dosage for people from what is effective in rats.

I dont remember what it is, but I'm sure someone here will... try and tell you. :)

(I take a small dose of Ashwagandha myself. It helps me think and remember better, and has many other good effects.)

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Posted 09 May 2012 - 09:38 AM

The yield of the extract was about 20 gm per kg of the root powder.


That's where 3 kg of root powder per day came from. It takes that much root to produce 60g of extract,

But. Mice have a much faster metabolism. So, a human may get away with 1/6 of the dose. Say, 10g of extract for a 60 kg human, which would require half a kilo of root powder.





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