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[Luminosity]

420 MD, the parts of the studies you posted didn't say that those drugs can be used for prevention to those who don't currently have herpes. Where does it say that?

This is a potentially serious misunderstanding on your part. Where does it say that these drugs will prevent transmission of herpes to people that don't have it now? Post that part.

Edited by Luminosity, 29 October 2013 - 04:54 AM.

[nowayout]

What's your source of information 420M?

Citation please, to my knowledge, there exists no truly effective Herpes prevention protocol (not to say that antivirals wouldn't do something, they are just unlikely to be anywhere near 100%).

http://www.ncbi.nlm....cles/PMC174733/

That study only talks about prophylaxis of outbreaks in already-infected individuals, not prophylaxis of infection in HSV-naive people.

It speaks of both infected and healthy individuals.

No, it doesn't. Did you read the whole text of the study?

[▲420MD]

The second study mentions preventing HSV infection in people with facial wounds.

God damn you people are critical, your not going to get a 100% study because none exist - because if they did those involved in the study would be held accountable if someone got infected. Be realistic, not every word of my sentance has to be quoted from an article. I said in my post what I showed is the best protection we have, My last citation had these exact words:

Antiviral prophylaxis should be strongly considered for HSV infection prevention in patients with major burn injury, particularly with burns involving the face. Acyclovir is the primary drug of choice, and contact precautions should be practiced.

That should be enough "evidence" for you. "Antiviral prophylaxis should be strongly considered for HSV infection prevention... Acyclovir is the primary drug of choice, and contact precautions should be practiced."
The sentance above is stating that ACV should be considered for "HSV infection prevention" if I need to break it down.

Read through the studies, maybe the first one doesn't mention it - I'll admit I didn't go ahead and purchase the text though and share it with everyone - I won't for a internet forum thread in which I'm just contributing to.

Edited by ▲420MD, 29 October 2013 - 03:31 PM.

[Luminosity]

"I'll admit I didn't go ahead and purchase the text." -- 420MD

You didn't read the study you are quoting from? You are telling people how they can prevent an incurable venereal disease based on a study you didn't read? There's nothing in your quotes that confirms that this medicine can prevent herpes in an uninfected person.
Your last quote didn't say that those patients are uninfected now. Use of the medicines in this context could be to prevent the affected part of them from being infected with something they already have.

You also use the initials "MD" in your screen name when I believe you aren't. How old are you?

Seriously, this is very irresponsible. I think you should ask the administrators to remove your posts. Before you do something that could cause someone to become infected with a disease for life, you need a lot more information. Not O.K.

[▲420MD]

"I'll admit I didn't go ahead and purchase the text." -- 420MD

You didn't read the study you are quoting from? You are telling people how they can prevent an incurable venereal disease based on a study you didn't read? There's nothing in your quotes that confirms that this medicine can prevent herpes in an uninfected person.
Your last quote didn't say that those patients are uninfected now. Use of the medicines in this context could be to prevent the affected part of them from being infected with something they already have.

You also use the initials "MD" in your screen name when I believe you aren't. How old are you?

Seriously, this is very irresponsible. I think you should ask the administrators to remove your posts. Before you do something that could cause someone to become infected with a disease for life, you need a lot more information. Not O.K.

How old are you, lol!? You realize MD is a state right? You need to go to bed man, get some rest for that overly excited head of your's.
Your just criticizing posts without even adding content or reading them completely... I have posted two studies, the one above your post mentions

Antiviral prophylaxis should be strongly considered for HSV infection prevention in patients with major burn injury, particularly with burns involving the face. Acyclovir is the primary drug of choice, and contact precautions should be practiced.

doi: 10.1097/BCR.0b013e318217f6de and pubmed: 21427598

I've come to realize maybe some of you are those types that are self-treating but actually doing harm to yourself? Seriously, are you just an internet troll or are you actually being -real- right now? I can do some self evaulation for myself, and I think you should too. I admitted my mistake and even after including the study and statement above, I still threw in:

Your not going to get a 100% study because none exist - because if they did those involved in the study would be held accountable if someone got infected

Again, No drug or antiviral is going to 100% prevent HSV... VCV+ACV are the most "successful" if thats an OK word to use around you without making you all upset.

I don't really care what you think Luminosity, you haven't made a single contribution to this thread besides make people with HSV who are possibly reading this feel terrible.
The facial burn infection prevention study with ACV should be enough, I'm not scouring through medical studies for you and - If anyone is actually taking serious medical advice from this place thats just completely hazardous to both mental and physical health. Always contact a doctor, and I've never quoted myself to be one, never posted that I was one; I have three numbers infront of two letters than your blindly associating with a doctorate degree that my profile does not state I have. Don't be so rash and jump to conclusions, why the hell would a doctor put 420 infront of his name anyways lol? To discredit him/her-self? Oh and before you jump on the "420" - I've already seen your profile's mention of chinese medicine - remember Marijuana is chinese medicine!

Think before you speak, Thats all I ask. I acknowledged my mistake and came back with another study. When looking at two letters in a screen name, maybe consider the possiblity it's just the first and last letter of a state in the United States... like everyone else?

So uh, If we're really talking about post removal maybe you should have your posts removed too - they waste space on the board server, discourgage new members from joining, discourage active members from engaging in conversation and generally create a hostile enviroment for anyone looking in and not engaged in this. You realize how stupid this argument/conversation looks on the outside right?

Edited by ▲420MD, 31 October 2013 - 06:34 AM.

[nupi]

Again, No drug or antiviral is going to 100% prevent HSV... VCV+ACV are the most "successful" if thats an OK word to use around you without making you all upset

THAT is precisely the point why people are coming down on you so hard...

[nowayout]

Read through the studies, maybe the first one doesn't mention it - I'll admit I didn't go ahead and purchase the text though and share it with everyone

The text is free.

[Luminosity]

I reported this thread to ask the administrator to remove 420MD's posts so impressionable young people won't be misled. I don't see any result from that yet. If you feel similarly, feel free to do the same, or send messages to administrators.

Edited by Luminosity, 02 November 2013 - 05:59 AM.

[▲420MD]

I reported this thread to ask the administrator to remove 420MD's posts so impressionable young people won't be misled. I don't see any result from that yet. If you feel similarly, feel free to do the same, or send messages to administrators.

Okay thanks champ. You the man. If anyone was interested in the topic, and read my posts they would have noticed the multiple warnings saying it's not 100% and nothing is + to consult a doctor. But whatever lol, do what you want.
Sorry the MD in my name threw you off so much, I didn't know a 5 letter name could stir so much controversy! And no foul language or anything - just 3 numbers and a state's abbreviation.

-> Seriously though, is this thread really affecting your day to day life THAT much Luminosity? You literally have me laughing out loud!

Again, No drug or antiviral is going to 100% prevent HSV... VCV+ACV are the most "successful" if thats an OK word to use around you without making you all upset

THAT is precisely the point why people are coming down on you so hard...

I stated that multiple times, I've said numerous times VCV+ACV are the "best we have", the facial burn study includes "HSV-Free" subjects and ACV is deemed appropriate for prophylactic use in those cases.

Edited by ▲420MD, 02 November 2013 - 09:29 PM.

[maxwatt]

420MuD, that's pretty lame. Your handle implies medical training, and you know it full well. Maybe your advice is sound. It sounds plausible. It should have been allowed to stand on its merits. But change your forum name, please.
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Just to throw some cold water on the OP's topic, a female friend of mine laughed and said her girl friends used to say they had herpes to get rid of a guy they didn't want to keep seeing.

[PinkWind]

After learning about my condition, I honestly felt like my life was over. I came across www.HerpesWoo.com and read all the personal stories and found that there are regular people, just like me, who are dealing with the same situation. I found the love of my life all because of my condition and the website. It’s funny how life works out sometimes. I wish everyone the best!

[koala_muncher]

herpes is non curable as the virus hides deep in the nerve ganglion, dormant and breaks out and sheds due to various triggers, once it sheds it still resides in the nerve

 

antivirals can reduce outbreaks

 

antivirals can be taken to *reduce* the chance you will give it to a partner BUT barrier methods are also needed eg condoms.  Oral sex is a transmission method - condoms and dental dams help reduce transmission chance but compliance is low.

 

Herpes is not rare : with a prevalence of 1 in 6  of Americans between 14 and 49 having it; much higher in certain demographics.  If you count HSV-1 (cold sores) as well the combined worldwide rate is between 65 and 90%.

Edited by koala_muncher, 13 April 2014 - 03:44 AM.