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[HoldingTheFaith]

That sucks, since I seem to fit in the Vata category quite well. We´ll see how it goes for me. I had to try, not only because some guys have fixed their SA with it, but because also makes sleep restful for some!

Also, the Gotu Kola is cheapy cheap compared with the other things I have bought.

Edited by HoldingTheFaith, 12 February 2014 - 06:20 PM.

[jetmango]

Yeah, way too much vata/air which in ayurveda governs 'winds' in your body [nerves, nervous system, thoughts etc.] means you should not take any C.N.S. stimulant. And I mean it. No caffeine, sugar, weed, pornography, gotu kola, cocaine etc. etc. And stick with it for like 6 months. Should help. For me is working. Slowly, but it is.

http://www.banyanbot...ns/vikriti.html Quick basic test. It only covers the basics, but will do - 10 questions for every dosha.

Like year ago my results were catastrophic. Now they are half of what I'd had back then. Hopefully I will enter 2015 and I will be fully healed. And I hope to not go again through the path of mental stimulants, because on the long run all these supplements just fucked up my body more than it was worth it.

With ashwagandha - I've been taking KSM-66 and Himalaya [shifting] for approx. 70 something days then stopped, got a week of nasty hangover [GABA downregulation + depression + tachycardia]
but yeah, that was not too bad as for stuff I've took like 3 times per day. Was worth it IMO.

But it did not healed anything.It is just a booster for you to get on with hard work like changing eating habits, introducing yoga, meditation, quitting bad habits etc.

Edited by mangoa, 12 February 2014 - 06:27 PM.

[brink]

mangoa - i guess i forgot to leave out if you don't have any useful information...just don't bother responding at all.

this is a forum. a forum is used to ask questions. whether the question was answered already or not...maybe it differs from what they're looking for. if you think the thread is going around in circles, i have a simple solution for you, quit coming back to it. you've responded in this tone multiple times. no one is forcing you to answer let alone even look at this thread. so if you don't have anything beneficial to contribute other than "is that so hard" then quit wasting your time. people come to these forums for help, not for people to insult their intelligence.

with that being said, HoldingThe Faith, thank you for your response, I will take a look into those supplements if the ashw itself does not help in and by itself!

[HoldingTheFaith]

I know dude, pills are just part of the solution. The real recovery begins *here* (HoldingTheFaith points to his head). What you do with your waking hours is way more important than any supplement.

And I mean it. No caffeine, sugar, weed, pornography, gotu kola, cocaine etc. etc. And stick with it for like 6 months. Should help. For me is working. Slowly, but it is.

Good stuff. It applies a lot to me so high five Vata Dosha brother! Currently I am weaning off completely from pornography, but everything else is sorted out. Porn is very bad, one night I watched just some minutes (but very stimulating) and had awful insomnia. It really "wires" you.

Brink, keep an eye on my thread here if you want to know how it goes with these supps. Some others are good for anxiety but I chose those.

Edited by HoldingTheFaith, 12 February 2014 - 07:34 PM.

[jetmango]

Brink well if you are happy with endlessly answering same questions around and around then u are more than happy, for me it's pointless to add more water to water to make it more 'watery'

the real reason is that people are too lazy to read or use 'search' tool properly. But okay. Let's wait a week maybe someone will ask which brand of ashwagandha is better and what are the main differences hehe

don't take it too serious, though. it's Wednesday after all.

[brink]

well i don't fall in to your category of "people being to lazy to read" because I have read the entire thread. just because the question was answered by 1 person doesn't make the question null and void. maybe someone new joined the forum, or someone just found this thread and they can provide their two cents.

don't worry, i'm not taking it serious at all haha..just was confused because I couldn't find where it said "Parent or Enforcer" under your avatar picture...all I see is registered user

Try it. It works slightly different on everyone.

P.S. You should have read through the my last post!!!! Could have saved yourself some typing

[jetmango]

Yeah they forgot to add 'master of the universe' actually

I've read the entire thread, too.

yup true that. maybe I'm overreacting a bit.

I know dude, pills are just part of the solution. The real recovery begins *here* (HoldingTheFaith points to his head). What you do with your waking hours is way more important than any supplement.

And I mean it. No caffeine, sugar, weed, pornography, gotu kola, cocaine etc. etc. And stick with it for like 6 months. Should help. For me is working. Slowly, but it is.

Good stuff. It applies a lot to me so high five Vata Dosha brother! Currently I am weaning off completely from pornography, but everything else is sorted out. Porn is very bad, one night I watched just some minutes (but very stimulating) and had awful insomnia. It really "wires" you.

Brink, keep an eye on my thread here if you want to know how it goes with these supps. Some others are good for anxiety but I chose those.

High five then Yeah it does wire you. Who would imagine that...

[brink]

Haha! don't get me wrong mangoa, some of your posts are very intuitive and well informed. your whole take on disbanding things such as pornography, tobacco, other supplements, etc. has been great. i am completely with you on that a lot has been repeated in the thread (of which i am guilty to). I just think some people, like myself, like to get a few opinions or takes on certain things!

[golden1]

I currently take 1.35g of ashwagandha extract (2.5% withanolides, appr. 33mg). Huge increase in libido, anxiety decreased by probably 80% (I also take ginkgo and l-theanine, but nothing comes close to this stuff).
No increase in aggression, I think?

from nootropicsdepot? thanks

also I read a decent amount, but I don't think anyone mentioned.. does ashwagandha feel like benzos? people say they are getting a slight feeling of w/d from it and if it is basically just a benzo in supplement form then I'll pass(already dealt with getting off benzos).

edit: nevermind looks like it is pretty much a benzo in supplement form.

Edited by golden1, 12 February 2014 - 09:26 PM.

[jetmango]

brink: true. let's concentrate on benefits

[Jeoshua]

On thing that I have discovered about KSM-66: It doesn't "stack" well with just about anything. It evens you out too much, and whatever psychological effects you might have gotten are pretty much gone, and it basically eliminated the placebo-type response I get with most supplements. One, maybe two of the pills I have and I can't even feel stoned when I smoke pot, it's that pronounced.

[jetmango]

True. It's just too strong. Makes no sense to dispose half of the pill... better take the normal ones.

However, for me it was possible to avoid tolerance by taking KSM-66 for day or two, then normal one for day or two. Or sometimes mix them in one day.

After all, my gut told me that the normal ones were better. Somewhat more natural...

[username]

I currently take 1.35g of ashwagandha extract (2.5% withanolides, appr. 33mg). Huge increase in libido, anxiety decreased by probably 80% (I also take ginkgo and l-theanine, but nothing comes close to this stuff).
No increase in aggression, I think?

from nootropicsdepot? thanks

also I read a decent amount, but I don't think anyone mentioned.. does ashwagandha feel like benzos? people say they are getting a slight feeling of w/d from it and if it is basically just a benzo in supplement form then I'll pass(already dealt with getting off benzos).

edit: nevermind looks like it is pretty much a benzo in supplement form.

I ordered it from amazon.
I'd just give it a try. You shouldn't forget placebo and nocebo. People who get placebos in trials get side effects as well, e.g. headache, nausea.
It's pointless to speculate or listen to people's experiences. Studies have shown that there are no differences in side effects between ashwagandha and placebo.
And benzo? C'mon.
People take all kinds of meds from their doctor, knowing all the side effects. But you avoid an herb that has no more side effects than placebo? I mean, it's your choice and that's fine. I believe it is irrational, though. It's fine to be cautious, but I can tell you: I'm not addicted

[jetmango]

They take all kinds of meds from their doctors and their are suffering afterwards from withdrawal syndromes that are worse than their beginning condition ;]

but of course I would not put an equal mark to xanax and ashwagandha... nope.

xanax works on GABA, ashwa - too but it's like comparing full cup with hot chocolate spilled over your neurons to chewing an eclair with chocolate inside.

u get taste of chocolate in both examples, but it's a different experience.

[HoldingTheFaith]

All in all, the reports of withdrawal and even tolerance from Ashwagandha are rare (there are more from tolerance than from withdrawal, that would be fixed cycling it with other adaptogens). The OP of this thread, without needing to go further, has used it for years. I think this herb is pretty safe. I don´t know about the KSM-66 though, it might be too concentrated.

[truboy]

Andrey_81 did you ever thought that Ashwagandha works for you cause of it's thyroid boosting properties? Lots of people who have hypo/hyper thyroid have problems with sleep, anxiety, stress.
Here are couple of references from other sources:
http://onlinelibrary...6923.x/abstract
http://www.allthings...0886#post190886

Edited by truboy, 13 February 2014 - 01:56 PM.

[HoldingTheFaith]

Yeah, Ash is stellar, it treats Adrenal Fatigue and Subclinical Hypothyroidism at the same time.

[brink]

Holdingthefaith: i am too starting to think KSM 66 is too strong or concentrated..i believe it was mangoa who said that they tried it and thought it felt that way as well. i've only been taking it for 2 days (today will be day 3)..but something feels off about it. i will give it a week to see what it does..and might go to himalaya since most have been saying its more natural.

[golden1]

I will give it a try I suppose. Not looking for strong effects(my anxiety is pretty mild, still annoying but..), so I'll avoid the ksm-66 extract. I think I'll go for the nootropicdepot 2.5% or himalaya from iherb.
I have 1.5% extract that expired in 2007 that a friend gave me, doesn't seem to do anything regardless of the dose either because it is expired or just a bad extract(probably this).
I'll post how it compares to benzos, I guess I was hoping it worked though a different pathway than gaba, but there doesn't seem to be enough info to say.

[HoldingTheFaith]

OK that Scienceguy guy seems to believe that Ashwagandha is a GABA receptor agonist which over time downregulates the mentioned receptors. This is of course, very serious (BENZODIAZEPINES!!) and has to be either debunked or accepted after research.

He brings us three abstracts that show that Ash affects GABA, which we already knew, but they do not show downregulation of its receptors after chronic use.

I would propose (although I would understand a denial) that Andrey, the chronic user of Ash, stops consumption for a few days and to see if his anxiety etc is any worse than 2 years ago when he started supplementing. This empiric proof should suffice.

I think Scienceguy is wrong, but it would be moronic to just believe what suit us and dismiss the research of someone as knowledgeable. I would really feel stupid if I started supplementing with a natural benzo.

[jetmango]

well if u take something for several months and then stop then u will feel different [usually worse ] - it's just natural. I would say Andrey would need to stop it for 1-2 months to be fully 'off' it and also out of the withdrawal period - if for me withdrawal period was like 5-7 days after circa70 days of use then it might be longer after chronic usage. Don't think Andrey will agree to this test of course Personally, I would not )

[HoldingTheFaith]

Hehe I was just speaking my mind. I have read wayy too much studies and now I see things a bit like those scientists -in a cold, inhumanely analytical fashion. These people torture animals on a daily basis. Pretty bad.

Probably Ash is safe, but just in case I will probably be cycling it with other adaptogens.

[Belair123]

Holdingthefaith: i am too starting to think KSM 66 is too strong or concentrated..i believe it was mangoa who said that they tried it and thought it felt that way as well. i've only been taking it for 2 days (today will be day 3)..but something feels off about it. i will give it a week to see what it does..and might go to himalaya since most have been saying its more natural.

Hey guys, I have had this product of KSM 66 for last 6 months, and it is not strong at all. I used to take it initially through a product called Adaptra(from Europharma) but have then moved over to Nutrigold and now to swanson. With Nutrigold, I used to take 2 capsules a day, and swanson i use 3 capsule a day. It just works fantastic. I have had the himalaya one too, but did not find it as effective as KMS 66. Infact, few people over here had written that 500 mg is too concentrated. I think to get the actual effects, one should take 1000 mg or 2 capsules of 500 mg. May be, it works different for different people. For me, this is a staple, and I just love it.

[HoldingTheFaith]

Belair you have used it without breaks? I wonder you will you feel when you stop. Anyway, the one I bought is technically as strong as the KSM-66, so we´ll see.

[machete234]

One, maybe two of the pills I have and I can't even feel stoned when I smoke pot, it's that pronounced.

I noticed that too, if you tend to get anxious when smoking too much 2-3 AWG pills completely level that out to an almost boring level.

Hehe I was just speaking my mind. I have read wayy too much studies and now I see things a bit like those scientists -in a cold, inhumanely analytical fashion. These people torture animals on a daily basis. Pretty bad.

Probably Ash is safe, but just in case I will probably be cycling it with other adaptogens.

Maybe this is interesting for you, there is a poll about withdrawal and if I remember right most people said no.

http://www.longecity...-or-withdrawal/

Edited by machete234, 16 February 2014 - 12:18 PM.

[jetmango]

Heh, for me 500mg of KSM was too strong ...

Regarding working of ash with weed - don't tried that ;] but it might be due to action to GABA of course, as weed is doing something with dopamine AFAIK ;]

[jetmango]

Guys check the feed on http://www.longecity..._60#entry631632 seems that another person is having bad withdrawal symptoms

[although to someone who never experienced GABA withdrawal this might seem a little bit scary, tachycardia and all but I'm sure he will be allright in a few days]

[Dinvestor]

Hi Everyone:

Today I started the Nutrigold KSM-66. I took one this morning and the first couple hours felt great...super anxiolytic and calming. But, after the first couple hours copped a pretty severe headache, with some eye twitching that has lasted pretty much all day. Wondering if the KSM-66 at the dose of 15mg may be too strong? Andrey seems to do well at about 3mg per dose.

Thinking about taking half a capsule tomorrow and seeing if I still maintain the anxiolytic without the other effects. Anyone else experienced anything similar and, by cutting the dose, was able to adjust?

Thx,
D

[jetmango]

yeah headaches were pretty common with KSM-66... I was taking half-a-dose but it did not make any sense to me so I bought less potent stuff [himalaya and organic india ones]

[Dinvestor]

Thanks Mangoa. So did cutting to half a dose help calm down the headaches, etc? Also, with the less potent stuff are you still seeing good benefit like Andrey?