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[lost69]

i ve got it 7.8 years earlier than chronological age so i will not change anything now

 

 

have you ever thought about checking dna methylation?

 

i think it would be useful to have dna methylation results on high dose c60 users and see if all of us get very good results compared to our chronological age.

 

i haven t checked all c60 posts but it looks like i m the only one who checked it

 

i ll be rechecking mine by 6 months

 

 

 

DNA methylation can be reversed by histone de-acetylase inhibitors HDACis.

 

Histone deacetylase inhibitors reverse CpG methylation by regulating DNMT1 through ERK signaling.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/21868513

 

of interest is that GARLIC contains many HDAC inhibitors -- perhaps that's why garlic is identified as one of the herbs that promote longevity

 

 

[sensei]

 

i ve got it 7.8 years earlier than chronological age so i will not change anything now

 

 

have you ever thought about checking dna methylation?

 

i think it would be useful to have dna methylation results on high dose c60 users and see if all of us get very good results compared to our chronological age.

 

i haven t checked all c60 posts but it looks like i m the only one who checked it

 

i ll be rechecking mine by 6 months

 

 

 

DNA methylation can be reversed by histone de-acetylase inhibitors HDACis.

 

Histone deacetylase inhibitors reverse CpG methylation by regulating DNMT1 through ERK signaling.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...pubmed/21868513

 

of interest is that GARLIC contains many HDAC inhibitors -- perhaps that's why garlic is identified as one of the herbs that promote longevity

 

 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC4506708/

 

Regulation of the Epigenome by Vitamin C

 

 

might want to read the paper

[sensei]

 

i ve got it 7.8 years earlier than chronological age so i will not change anything now 

 

 

 

7.8  years younger than chronological age measured against what?

 

What yardstick is your lab using to compare your methylation pattern and frequency of CpG methylation to?

[lost69]

zymo research

 

49.5yo (chronological age)

 

 

i ve got it 7.8 years earlier than chronological age so i will not change anything now 

 

 

 

7.8  years younger than chronological age measured against what?

 

What yardstick is your lab using to compare your methylation pattern and frequency of CpG methylation to?

 

 

[sensei]

 

zymo research

 

49.5yo (chronological age)

 

 

i ve got it 7.8 years earlier than chronological age so i will not change anything now 

 

 

 

7.8  years younger than chronological age measured against what?

 

What yardstick is your lab using to compare your methylation pattern and frequency of CpG methylation to?

 

 

 

So:

 

1. Mini?

2. Midi?

3. Maxi?

 

https://www.zymorese...lation-analysis

 

and you still don't know -- or won't disclose, the  mean/median age at death their methylation assessment is based upon.

 

If it is 79 years -- it could be totally non-applicable to you

 

My great aunt is alive at 98

 

Should my methylation profile be compared to the "AVERAGE LIFE EXPECTANCY"??

 

I suggest you might want to look a little further into what zymo actually means when they says your bio age is 7.8 years less than your chron

Edited by sensei, 18 December 2017 - 12:40 AM.

[lost69]

this is the service used

https://www.zymorese...tic-aging-clock

 

Service detail: Epigenetics Aging Clock

Service Package Requested: Customized Service

DNAge™ (Horvath Clock)
We currently offer a NGS platform to analyze epigenetic age of DNA extracted from blood or urine samples. However, in our experience it is easier to purify DNA from blood, and that is our preferred starting sample source if available.Our service is based on the principles originally described in the Horvath Clock method and utilizes bisulfite sequencing to target >500 CpG sites in order to provide epigenetic age determination in a high throughput manner.

 

its not for life expectancy, it s the best biomarker for aging we have now for age determination and its good to follow with multiple test results.i dont think the grey hair reversal and face aging reversal is enough, better use biomarkers too.

 

i skipped telomere testing for now because too expensive/uncertain, i prefer to wait when better tests will be available

 

 

 

 

zymo research

 

49.5yo (chronological age)

 

 

i ve got it 7.8 years earlier than chronological age so i will not change anything now 

 

 

 

7.8  years younger than chronological age measured against what?

 

What yardstick is your lab using to compare your methylation pattern and frequency of CpG methylation to?

 

 

 

So:

 

1. Mini?

2. Midi?

3. Maxi?

 

https://www.zymorese...lation-analysis

 

and you still don't know -- or won't disclose, the  mean/median age at death their methylation assessment is based upon.

 

If it is 79 years -- it could be totally non-applicable to you

 

My great aunt is alive at 98

 

Should my methylation profile be compared to the "AVERAGE LIFE EXPECTANCY"??

 

I suggest you might want to look a little further into what zymo actually means when they says your bio age is 7.8 years less than your chron

 

 

[sensei]

 

this is the service used

https://www.zymorese...tic-aging-clock

 

Service detail: Epigenetics Aging Clock

Service Package Requested: Customized Service

DNAge™ (Horvath Clock)
We currently offer a NGS platform to analyze epigenetic age of DNA extracted from blood or urine samples. However, in our experience it is easier to purify DNA from blood, and that is our preferred starting sample source if available.Our service is based on the principles originally described in the Horvath Clock method and utilizes bisulfite sequencing to target >500 CpG sites in order to provide epigenetic age determination in a high throughput manner.

 

its not for life expectancy, it s the best biomarker for aging we have now for age determination and its good to follow with multiple test results.i dont think the grey hair reversal and face aging reversal is enough, better use biomarkers too.

 

i skipped telomere testing for now because too expensive/uncertain, i prefer to wait when better tests will be available

 

 

 

It seems from a quick examination of the horvath clock and the methodology behind it -- the age at death age used for calibration is ~80 years

 

Secondly, there is an error of +/- 2.7 years at the lowest for whole blood

 

So, like I posted -- my great aunt is 98  -- I have both parents still living over the age of 70, and multiple great aunts and uncles who lived to 95+

 

How useful would that methylation measure be -- especially when it can vary wildly depending upon stress and diet

[lost69]

no it doesn t vary much more than few years.even on research animals with caloric restriction from birth changes are only few years

 

i just posted because it would be useful to see these big numbers over 5 years less methylation age and going down test after test on people using c60.one of the hypothesis of c60 antiaging effect is acting on methylation

 

also my test is fully valid if it keeps going down at these range numbers every year

 

again telomere and senescence cells testing are the other interesting biomarkers but not reliable yet and this methylation biomarker is all we got now

 

 

 

 

this is the service used

https://www.zymorese...tic-aging-clock

 

Service detail: Epigenetics Aging Clock

Service Package Requested: Customized Service

DNAge™ (Horvath Clock)
We currently offer a NGS platform to analyze epigenetic age of DNA extracted from blood or urine samples. However, in our experience it is easier to purify DNA from blood, and that is our preferred starting sample source if available.Our service is based on the principles originally described in the Horvath Clock method and utilizes bisulfite sequencing to target >500 CpG sites in order to provide epigenetic age determination in a high throughput manner.

 

its not for life expectancy, it s the best biomarker for aging we have now for age determination and its good to follow with multiple test results.i dont think the grey hair reversal and face aging reversal is enough, better use biomarkers too.

 

i skipped telomere testing for now because too expensive/uncertain, i prefer to wait when better tests will be available

 

 

 

It seems from a quick examination of the horvath clock and the methodology behind it -- the age at death age used for calibration is ~80 years

 

Secondly, there is an error of +/- 2.7 years at the lowest for whole blood

 

So, like I posted -- my great aunt is 98  -- I have both parents still living over the age of 70, and multiple great aunts and uncles who lived to 95+

 

How useful would that methylation measure be -- especially when it can vary wildly depending upon stress and diet

 

 

[David Savage]

Hold on to your Butts!

 

[Story Time]  About 150 years ago (it seems) I was part of a moving party for a company I worked for.  To save budget, the company paid us overtime and bought pizza and beer to pack up the office.  One of our directors - A Total Cunt - wasn't interested in having a beer with us - The Moving Party - and was content in packing up his own shit and slamming us regular slugs drinking beer, stating - "Do you want to get drunk or get bloated"?

 

As a multiple-year surfer, I've enjoyed some of the Fantastic Anecdotal info posted by members.

 

I've scoured the internet for information on, not so much, living longer, but more so adding quality to my years and some of you have been seemingly doing this exact thing...I think??

 

My biggest question, BALLS IN, has anybody bothered to try C60 alone?

 

I've read hundreds of posts and watched hours of youtube stuffs on C60, but haven't actually come across anybody stating to just hammer down and take fullerenes via caps.

 

This is a little strange to me, given reading inside of what seems to be a "Scientific Community".

 

Turnbuckle and Sensi have seen to have offered the most amount of data on actual "testing", C60oo, but neither of which [from what I've seen] have actually take c60 without it being diluted in Olive Oil.

 

From what I can only guess, the original study on C60 had to dilute the fullerenes so that "rats would actually differentiate this compound from not eating their own feces". 

 

I might be wrong, but, if you put a pile of dust in front of any living being, their first and last inclination is not, "wow, this looks delicious, I should probably eat it".

 

Hundreds of posts, several websites, multiple vendors, altogether too many hours wasted on YouTube, and though the most touted statement about "Pristine C60" is that it is completely "Non-Toxic", has nobody seriously eaten this shit - Sans Oil?

 

In a scientific study, especially of this nature, we would have 4 test groups:

1. No oil - No C60.

2. Oil + No C60.

3. C60 + Oil.

4. C60 Alone.

 

I obviously haven't seen every post nor read every study on this, but has anybody hit the Level 4 - C60 Only testing?

 

Seriously:

How many gallons of OO has Sensi guzzled without knowing if this shit actually works without it?

How many have bought and tried this shit, with positive/negative effects without ever questioning if this should actually be done?

How many have made their own solutions in a non-sterile atmosphere and well, Just drank it anyways?

How many vendors just sell this shit in the cheapest most profitable fashion possible?

HOW IS THIS SCIENTIFIC??

 

Seriously speaking, if the topic [read through all of this posts in this thread] is about how much and what kind of oil to consume C60 is, what actual testing has been lent to really testing c60?

I've seen posts on:

Quality of C60 - 98-99.9% Pure

Quality of Olive Oil

Properties

Possible effects and how it works

Efficacy

Possibly Attenuates with:..........................................................................................................

Types of best edible oil to use  

Mixing Protocols

Dosing Ideas

Anecdotal Effects

 

And none of you motherfuckers has had a shot of this inside of a capsule with baking soda/PQQ/whale sperm??

(the Whale Sperm is not for you to try or work with, just an idea of how absurd not "ACTUALLY TESTING" V60actually is)

 

I don't want to seem judgemental here...but how is that even possible?

You ARE SCIENCY GUYS, BACKED UP BY, OTHER SCIENCY GUYS!!

 

Would Happy Still be alive today?

Would Sensi be SANS Grey on his ballsack?

Would more users actually see a difference?

 

WOULD a C60OO VENDOR EVEN EXIST?

 

Sensi - Commendable achievements, but seriously, if you only had to buy and consume C60:

- How much would you have saved financially?

- How much time would you have gained back?

- How much less toilet paper would you have used?

 

CaptainObvious - Seriously Motherfucker, you need to surrender your title to PrivateMayNotBeThatApparent.

 

Turbcukle - Your dog, Man!!

- Primary C60oo dose worked, why not try C60HAM?  Dogs eat their own feces...put C60 on a piece of ham and what will it do??

 

Last of all...

- WOULD THIS SHIT ACTUALLY WORK - LONG TERM?

 

Now...

 

Don't go get all delicate and downvote the newbie here...

 

Think of the last years WASTED!

 

How do we actually take this shit and make it work?

If you were to take C60 SANS OO, what would you mix it with???

 

Everybody mocks the new guy...if you can't add to your own longevity, save your downvote and maybe just read along...

 

DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER OR JUST BE BLOATED!

 

 

Edited by David Savage, 30 December 2017 - 02:54 AM.

[aribadabar]

Hold on to your Butts!

 <rant>

 

You are true to your name - a total savage

I LOL'd several times at your ranting post, seriously.

 

Hope someone accepts your challenge and try C60 by itself. While a bit of a risk-taker, I am not that kind of guy.

[David Savage]

 

Hold on to your Butts!

 <rant>

 

You are true to your name - a total savage

I LOL'd several times at your ranting post, seriously.

 

Hope someone accepts your challenge and try C60 by itself. While a bit of a risk-taker, I am not that kind of guy.

 

 

Thanks.

 

All Honesty on a couple of things here...

 

1.  I am replying quickly because I seriously doubt that my membership here will be tolerated.  For me, kind of always goes along with the old adage, "I don't want to belong to any club that will accept ME as a member". 

 

2.  I can't actually think of any other terms to google to see if anybody has actually tried this, hoping somebody else can; and then which leaves us to the inevitable;

 

3.  I sure as to fuck hope that as vast as the internet is and as many people who have surrendered themselves to science that somebody has taken the plunge and has:

a) Posted discretely enough that I haven't seen it.

b) Has tried it and is now literally Superman and doesn't want to brag, or;

c) Has a second head and 3 more appendages growing out of their back as a side effect and are too embarrassed to talk about not sticking to the protocols.

and will now be promted to post.

 

Much as I have always felt like a product of a genetic sess pool, I do feel a kinsmanship with others here who have either been a similar product by poor parental selection or by bad selection off of misinformation, bad decisions or genetics.

 

Really...

 

Not to single out the same heavy hitters in this thread or forum, but...

1.  Turnbuckle has done a lot more research into C60 than has into the statins that poisoned him a long time ago.

2.  Sensi-Benzos

3.  Happy-ALS

 

The list goes on.

 

Now...look at the list of the products that some of these and others take by way of supplementation, up to and including, smoking racetams...wait, whut???

Yeah...

 

There's a thread here committed to vaping different noots for a quick hit or more enhanced effect. 

 

I've even seen a member here talking about taking C60oo and an additional 110 supplements.  

 

110 other daily supplements!!

 

:|

 

All that and we don't see a thread or post based on:

 

Got my dust...ate it...here's what happened!

 

Now I know there's gunna be a lot of wound-licking after reading my posts, [after all the fire and furry backlash], and I get it.  If I am right, nobody would want to admit they've wasted the last 5 years reading posts and slurping back bitter oil without having the single sense to put a little powder on their tongue and swallow.

 

After that, hopefully, the next 5 years isn't committed to more posts on what type of olive oil buy, what kind of vinegar to add it to for salad dressing and easy consumption or how to stir fry recipes based on C60oo and is more sciency based on how this shit actually works.

 

 

Really...all of the fluff in that stuff hasn't even been addressed.

Heat C60 and add it to your spaghetti??  What could go wrong???

Mix it with acetic acid [vinegar] and eat it on a salad???  No possible way of contaminating the C60 with that, right??

Heat it in a pan an mix in Vegetables?? Pshhhhh, they're organic!!

Let's try different unproven oils...

Let's try a c60 Enema!!

 

People willing to try this shit...

 

Not one person says..."why not go with the most Non Toxic form and just eat this dust by itself"?

 

If I get the punt...hopefully they leave my couple of posts entact so that we can at least move on from this shit into the actual spirit of the Thread - C60 experiments @ home.

Edited by David Savage, 30 December 2017 - 05:49 AM.

[pleb]

Probably because ingesting it raw wouldn't work, it has to be taken with something that the cells recognise as food which is then taken through the blood to the cells, on its own its just a mineral that the body would reject and stop it being transported through the blood,
Also as far as I can tell this talk of fancy olive oil is just talk I've used various oils from the expensive to the cheap since September 2012 and have not noticed any difference in the effects which are still there,
I agree with sensei on this to many seeing problems where they don't exist mixing in a dark room no oxygen in the bottle etc, the lab results used small amounts under extreme conditions and are unlikely to happen in real life , they were used by the tester in the lab to over emphasize the results simply to get it published,
and contrary to popular belief it doesn't dissolve its still in suspension you cannot dissolve a Bucky ball with almost any liquid known to man apart from a couple of extreme liquids used in a lab the names of which I've forgotten , if it dissolved it would no longer be C60 it would simply be carbon atoms,

[David Savage]

Probably because ingesting it raw wouldn't work, it has to be taken with something that the cells recognise as food which is then taken through the blood to the cells, on its own its just a mineral that the body would reject and stop it being transported through the blood,
Also as far as I can tell this talk of fancy olive oil is just talk I've used various oils from the expensive to the cheap since September 2012 and have not noticed any difference in the effects which are still there,
I agree with sensei on this to many seeing problems where they don't exist mixing in a dark room no oxygen in the bottle etc, the lab results used small amounts under extreme conditions and are unlikely to happen in real life , they were used by the tester in the lab to over emphasize the results simply to get it published,
and contrary to popular belief it doesn't dissolve its still in suspension you cannot dissolve a Bucky ball with almost any liquid known to man apart from a couple of extreme liquids used in a lab the names of which I've forgotten , if it dissolved it would no longer be C60 it would simply be carbon atoms,

 

You've lost me here, dude.

 

"Probably because ingesting it raw wouldn't work" is the complete opposite of saying, "if it dissolved it would no longer be C60 it would simply be carbon atoms".

 

So, it either dissolves or it doesn't.

 

Do we even know which it is?

 

When you add C60 to a yellow olive oil, it changes the color of the oil...speculating that there is either a full reaction to the point of saturation of the oil or some of it dissolves enough to suspend the smaller particles in the solution, again, up to the point of saturation and then leaves the larger particles as full on C60 dust.

 

My chemistry is a lot rusty, so I wouldn't even want to go through the C60 + CH3(Ch2)nCOOH and try to make logical sense of it...wouldn't know what it means even if I could do it.

BUT

If this is the "solution" of C60 in Olive Oil that makes the difference, why not focus on the End Product?

IF it isn't an actual solution, why not just Eat the Dust?

 

If the body requires the digestive system to slow down a little, "it has to be taken with something that the cells recognize as food", why not just add Piperine like we would with Curcumin and cap it up?

 

How many benefits are people seeing just based on the Olive Oil alone?

 

- Watch the Movie Burglar with Whooping Goldberg and Bobcat Goldthwait.  It's from 1987 and was an amusing movie...back in the day.  The go over consuming large quantities of oil to help minimize the effects of alcohol...meaning, the benefits of this increased alcohol tolerance may be just attributed to the oil factor.

 

- For those that have noticed more energy, can this just be attributed to the same Ketosis factor of consuming Fats in place of carbohydrates so that the body burns off of Ketones instead of Glucose?

 

- For those who have noticed cognitive benefits - clearing up brain fog, could this too be the impact of Ketones?

 

- Do we all realize how closely related the Liver is to Eyesight?  No, I get it, Not ALL eyesight symptoms, some of those can be localized...but both brain fog and clearer vision can be attributed to Liver Health.  If we are consuming Higher Fats - eating Olive Oil - and we are flushing this through the liver, couldn't this at least be partially responsible for the claims of better vision with C60oo? [Again - Ketogenic Effect].  Sensei, if memory serves from his posts, also consumes a fair amount of Milk Thistle as a part of his daily supplements - how many others do as well and haven't drawn the association?

 

- Weight Loss - Same dealio.  Fill your belly with fats to suppress the need for additional calories and you are consuming less, losing weight.  Weight loss CANNOT occur without a Caloric deficit.

 

- Darker Hair or less Grey Hair...When I actually had hair (I'm a complete spoon head), it looked considerably darker if I didn't shower for a couple of days - greasy buildup...that doesn't explain grey going back to original color, but some of this is subjective and perspective...isn't it?

 

- Plump looking face or reduction of wrinkles...couldn't this be attributed to again, just the simple consumption and body saturation of fat?

 

I mean, it's not like anybody has the ability to walk on water after consuming C60, right?

 

There's not a single person that can actually claim longevity off of this last 5 years in taking C60 that can actually 100% attribute this to nothing more than being heavier in a ketogenic state and producing energy off of the fatty oils, right??

 

Though playing devil's advocate, I am genuinely interested in if this dust does actually do anything...who wouldn't be?

 

But we still have to approach this with a little perspective and take all anecdotal information with a grain of...sand?  salt?  C60???? 

 

One last thought on this, comes from an old joke...

Wasn't feeling well so I went to the doctor.  He gave me a prescription and told me to take these pills 3x per day, with an 8oz glass of water.

I said, is it this serious doc?  What do these pills even do?

He says, they don't do anything, you just need to Drink More Water!

 

Maybe we don't need to spend a lot of cash on dust, turning basements into chemlabs, brushing up on our stoichiometry...maybe we just need to Eat More Fat?

Edited by David Savage, 30 December 2017 - 03:45 PM.

[pleb]

Ingesting and dissolving have totally different meanings, ingesting is taking C60 in the body, dissolving is breaking down the C60 into separate atoms and have no relationship to each other,
Probably the only reason olive oil was used was to make it easy to administer to the rats by putting it In known amounts on bread, it was cheap and available from a local shop,
nobody on here has suggested it will extend life span by large amounts as our immune system is far better than rats, it's possible that it may add ten percent to what we would live to if we didn't take it but that's an unknown,

it's main purpose as taken by members on here is as an antioxidant ,most damage to cells are caused by ROS, (oxygen singlets) and most cancers are caused by this damage to the cells,if the electrons on oxygen singlets which cause the damage are stripped away by C60 then our immune system is not overloaded, and has a chance to repair any damage,

[David Savage]

Ingesting and dissolving have totally different meanings, ingesting is taking C60 in the body, dissolving is breaking down the C60 into separate atoms and have no relationship to each other,
Probably the only reason olive oil was used was to make it easy to administer to the rats by putting it In known amounts on bread, it was cheap and available from a local shop,
nobody on here has suggested it will extend life span by large amounts as our immune system is far better than rats, it's possible that it may add ten percent to what we would live to if we didn't take it but that's an unknown,

it's main purpose as taken by members on here is as an antioxidant ,most damage to cells are caused by ROS, (oxygen singlets) and most cancers are caused by this damage to the cells,if the electrons on oxygen singlets which cause the damage are stripped away by C60 then our immune system is not overloaded, and has a chance to repair any damage,

 

lol

 

Was it you that downvoted my last comment as pointless timewasting?

 

That's kind of rich if you did.

 

Here's why and feel free to reply after or not...this is my 4th post as a Newb, so this is it for me today.

 

1.  I've already stated that the most likely reason that C60 was administered with OO is so that the rats would eat it.  

"From what I can only guess, the original study on C60 had to dilute the fullerenes so that "rats would actually differentiate this compound from not eating their own feces". 

2.  I'm not arguing the possible antioxidant properties behind it, there just really doesn't seem to be anything more than theoretical or anecdotal proof of it.

3.  I'm not even arguing that people shouldn't be taking this stuff was just wondering why not take it in it's most Non-Toxic State - EAT THE DUST!!

4.  Your body has to break it down to be absorbed to some extent.  It's not like you have pork chops flowing through your veins, right?

And Lastly and I did predict this would happen as well...

5.  If you want to downvote based on Time Wasting...see if you can get your head around this...You've gotten a lot sensitive to justify your position on taking Dust based on what you believe my posts to be a challenge instead of them being a mere request for additional information.  I get it.  They may seem confrontational, but really, all evidence in this thread and most of what else has been posted on the C60oo is people that have wasted 5 years here and other threads/forums just like it, hundreds if not thousands of dollars, all to learn some of the benefits of a Keto or LCHF diet are and still aren't even doing it properly, THIS IS POINTLESS TIMEWASTING!!

 

Remember when your mom asked, "Well if Billy Jumped off of a Bridge, would you"?

 

And tell me how many people have taken this BLIND LEAP because somebody else has without actually fully understanding what they are doing.

 

I'm not saying there aren't benefits to taking C60oo, there just doesn't seem to be any empirical evidence to support taking C60, but there does seem to be a lot more evidence to support simply sloshing back gallons of Olive Oil.

 

Tell me, I am wrong in my conclusions and how...don't be all delicate and defensive...get sciency!!

Edited by David Savage, 30 December 2017 - 04:52 PM.

[pleb]

No I didn't vote it down , but your total ignorance of the difference between the meaning of words , and my explanation why it couldn't be taken dry which is information you asked for, all of which you totally ignored to write a long post which adds nothing to the subject only show that you appear to be on some sort of ego trip and your attitude which only shows you up as an ignorant wazzock,

[sensei]

nobody on here has suggested it will extend life span by large amounts as our immune system is far better than rats, it's possible that it may add ten percent to what we would live to if we didn't take it but that's an unknown,

 

 

I think you speak for others when you shouldn't

 

I, for one, believe that a regimen modeled after Baati -- at the same mg/kg dose (1.7mg/kg) for the equivalent of 25-30 years  (7 months is the equivalent of 25 years based on the average lifespan of 26 months for a Wistar)

would lead to likely the same huge increase.

 

We have evidence of a human who used large amounts of anti-oxidants and olive oil -- PROVEN HISTORICAL EVIDENCE -- who just so happens to have been the longest lived human in modern recorded - Jean Calment 123 years (about 50% more than the mean)  -- she doused every meal with olive oil, and ate a kilogram of dark chocolate a week 

 

I personally believe that C60OO , goji, and traditionally prepared Polygonum multiflorum (He Shou Wu, which happens to contain 2,3,5,4-tetrahydroxystilbene-2-O-β-D-glucopyranoside)  would allow one to reach the ages attributed to the mountain sages of china -- 200-250 years.

 

The pterostilbene described above is known to induce stem cell proliferation, and rejuvenate multiple organ and body systems -- Chinese traditional meds use it to cause hair regrowth and reversal of gray.

Edited by sensei, 30 December 2017 - 07:35 PM.

[David Savage]

No I didn't vote it down , but your total ignorance of the difference between the meaning of words , and my explanation why it couldn't be taken dry which is information you asked for, all of which you totally ignored to write a long post which adds nothing to the subject only show that you appear to be on some sort of ego trip and your attitude which only shows you up as an ignorant wazzock,

 

lol

 

5 years of doling out your hard-earned shekels, schlepping down what could in actuality turn out to be a delayed reaction Jonestownesque Koolaid, you have no idea if what you are taking has produced any actual benefits that can't be attributed to just taking pure olive oil or some ketogenic state and I am the ignorant wazzock?

 

5 years of eating dust and your conviction on this hasn't brought you to hit the Baati dossing or eat the dust in its touted - Most Non-Toxic State - shows me that you aren't really that confident in what you are doing nor the logic behind it.

 

WOW

 

Have you even questioned if what you are taking is actually C60?

 

Doesn't combining activated charcoal and Olive Oil produce the same colored solution as C60 and Olive Oil?

 

There's been a lot of talk about oil quality and how many fake Olive Oils there are on the market...how many have bothered to get an independent lab test to confirm their C60 is actually C60?

 

I mean, really...wink, wink, sure this is C60...99.95% pure...snicker...

 

Maybe put away your concoction for a few days, start taking a healthy dose of skepticism and do some research on Pubmed for benefits of Olive Oil and a second search for what is said about LCHF/Ketogenic diets.

 

If you are still convinced that what you are doing is actually in your best interest maybe you will be confident enough to cap up some dust and swallow hard.

 

 

Let me know how this works out.

Edited by David Savage, 31 December 2017 - 07:03 AM.

[sensei]

 

 

Doesn't combining activated charcoal and Olive Oil produce the same colored solution as C60 and Olive Oil?

 

 

 

 

If you buy your own 99.95% C60 from SES research and make your own oil, (like me) it kind of helps you get around that issue.

[David Savage]

 

 

 

Doesn't combining activated charcoal and Olive Oil produce the same colored solution as C60 and Olive Oil?

 

 

 

 

If you buy your own 99.95% C60 from SES research and make your own oil, (like me) it kind of helps you get around that issue.

 

 

 

Yeah, eh?

 

You bought your C60 from a couple of college kids - who, in their own "About us", never claimed to have actually graduated from anything and run their "Lab" out of a strip mall and you are 100% confident in what you've purchased?

 

This means that you've obviously had it tested and verified by an independent lab?

 

SES Research was founded in Houston, Texas in the summer of 1990 by two University of Houston college students who built their first Fullerene Reactor in a home garage.  Shortly after testing the Reactor and making the first grams of Fullerenes, SES opened its doors up for business in 1991 and relocated from the garage to an Industrial park.

 

Have a look at the "Lab" you've purchased your C60 from - picture attached.  Their growth over the last 25 years, not exactly awe-inspiring - Home Garage to Shithole Stripmall.

 

Seriously, this isn't exactly a confidence booster on part of a supplier in my books.

 

After that...

 

Tell me the final result and differences between the 2 solutions.  C60oo and Activated Charcoal + oo.

Is there any difference?

 

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[Turnbuckle]

 

 

 

Tell me the final result and differences between the 2 solutions.  C60oo and Activated Charcoal + oo.

Is there any difference?

 

 

 

This is a poor effort, even for a troll.

[sensei]

 

After that...

 

Tell me the final result and differences between the 2 solutions.  C60oo and Activated Charcoal + oo.

Is there any difference?

 

SES.png

 

 

I know what activated charcoal looks like.

 

If you think the fullerene composition in activated charcoal is anything like C60 you are an unmitigated MORON.

 

According to you, SES has managed to fool:

 

MIT, Rice University, IFW Dresden E.V., University of Texas, Polish Academy of Science, UC Berkely, I.E. DuPont, University of Waterloo, Raytheon, Technische Universiteit Eindhoven, Bergische Universitat Wuppertal, EMPA

 

https://www.sesres.com/about-us/

 

For the record I personally know several MIT alumni, and I also work with people from MIT Lincoln Labs and Raytheon Company on a regular basis.

 

Institutions that have persons obviously (based on your asinine comments)  orders of magnitude more intelligent than you.

[David Savage]

 

 

After that...

 

Tell me the final result and differences between the 2 solutions.  C60oo and Activated Charcoal + oo.

Is there any difference?

 

SES.png

 

 

I know what activated charcoal looks like.

 

If you think the fullerene composition in activated charcoal is anything like C60 you are an unmitigated MORON.

 

According to you, SES has managed to fool:

 

MIT, Rice University, IFW Dresden E.V., University of Texas, Polish Academy of Science, UC Berkely, I.E. DuPont, University of Waterloo, Raytheon, Technische Universiteit Eindhoven, Bergische Universitat Wuppertal, EMPA

 

https://www.sesres.com/about-us/

 

For the record I personally know several MIT alumni, and I also work with people from MIT Lincoln Labs and Raytheon Company on a regular basis.

 

Institutions that have persons obviously (based on your asinine comments)  orders of magnitude more intelligent than you.

 

 

 

Okay, so you've never bothered to compare the difference in 2 solutions - C6000 and Activated Charcoal + oo and don't actually know if there is any difference.

 

Gotcha.

 

You could have just said that, didn't have to build a strawman to try and make yourself look better.

 

Really, I'm not all that impressed that you scrub toilets for a couple of MIT Grads...how is life in the custodial arts, anyways?

 

There really is a lot of "I read it on the internet, so it must be true" floating around to help you make such drastic leaps in logic on a single n=6 Rat Study that hasn't been replicated.

 

And still, by your own reasoning...

 

We have evidence of a human who used large amounts of anti-oxidants and olive oil -- PROVEN HISTORICAL EVIDENCE -- who just so happens to have been the longest lived human in modern recorded - Jean Calment 123 years (about 50% more than the mean)  -- she doused every meal with olive oil, and ate a kilogram of dark chocolate a week 

 

Jean Calment consumed Olive Oil and chocolate...nothing here to do with C60...yet you've spent years and thousands gulping down olive oil and carbon...

 

Maybe prior to throwing around terms like "unmitigated moron" and questioning the intelligence of any member of any forum, you should maybe do a little stronger self-assessment.

 

I asked a couple of questions, that have still gone unanswered and you feel comfortable to passionately defend your logic because you haven't died from self-experimentation yet.

 

Congratulations on your Not Dying yet.

 

Now...

 

Back to my questions...

Has anybody tried to EAT THE DUST?

Is there any difference between the 2 solutions - C60oo and Activated Charcoal + oo?

 

I am beginning to think that you are just a really defensive group here...not that sciency at all.

Edited by David Savage, 31 December 2017 - 07:49 PM.

[sensei]

 

 

 

Okay, so you've never bothered to compare the difference in 2 solutions - C6000 and Activated Charcoal + oo and don't actually know if there is any difference.

 

Gotcha.

 

You could have just said that, didn't have to build a strawman to try and make yourself look better.

 

Really, I'm not all that impressed that you scrub toilets for a couple of MIT Grads...how is life in the custodial arts, anyways?

 

There really is a lot of "I read it on the internet, so it must be true" floating around to help you make such drastic leaps in logic on a single n=6 Rat Study that hasn't been replicated.

 

And still, by your own reasoning...

 

We have evidence of a human who used large amounts of anti-oxidants and olive oil -- PROVEN HISTORICAL EVIDENCE -- who just so happens to have been the longest lived human in modern recorded - Jean Calment 123 years (about 50% more than the mean)  -- she doused every meal with olive oil, and ate a kilogram of dark chocolate a week 

 

Jean Calment consumed Olive Oil and chocolate...nothing here to do with C60...yet you've spent years and thousands gulping down olive oil and carbon...

 

Maybe prior to throwing around terms like "unmitigated moron" and questioning the intelligence of any member of any forum, you should maybe do a little stronger self-assessment.

 

I asked a couple of questions, that have still gone unanswered and you feel comfortable to passionately defend your logic because you haven't died from self-experimentation yet.

 

Congratulations on your Not Dying yet.

 

Now...

 

Back to my questions...

Has anybody tried to EAT THE DUST?

Is there any difference between the 2 solutions - C60oo and Activated Charcoal + oo?

 

I am beginning to think that you are just a really defensive group here...not that sciency at all.

 

 

You stated  the ridiculous fallacious argument:

 

SES is located in an industrial park, therefore they must not make C60 

 

(which I destroyed)

 

You state:

 

Activated charcoal dissolved in olive oil looks the same as c60 dissolved in Olive oil  -- prove it with GCMS from a lab.

 

You are the one making the argument that C60 dissolved in edible oil and activated charcoal dissolved in edible oil are the same chemically -- the ONUS is on you to prove it.

 

Then you ask has anybody eaten the dust?

 

Which illustrates your complete lack of understanding how C60OO enters the lipid membrane of the cell (and passes through the intestinal wall) instead of forming larger aggregates that pass right through the digestive tract and out of the body (as in aqueous oral administration )-- I posted the link the that study on one of the threads in this forum in the last few days -- look for it

 

Is this your website?

 

https://not-the-norm...r-clarification

[sensei]

And still, by your own reasoning...

 

We have evidence of a human who used large amounts of anti-oxidants and olive oil -- PROVEN HISTORICAL EVIDENCE -- who just so happens to have been the longest lived human in modern recorded - Jean Calment 123 years (about 50% more than the mean)  -- she doused every meal with olive oil, and ate a kilogram of dark chocolate a week 

 

Jean Calment consumed Olive Oil and chocolate...nothing here to do with C60...yet you've spent years and thousands gulping down olive oil and carbon...

 

 

 

 

Olive oil and one of the most powerful anti-oxidants in nature (dark chocolate)

 

Olive oil and C60

 

you can't see the obvious connection?

 

 

And I spend more on wine in a few months than I have spent on the 4 grams of C60 I have consumed in olive oil.

Edited by sensei, 31 December 2017 - 08:07 PM.

[sensei]

 

 

Maybe prior to throwing around terms like "unmitigated moron" and questioning the intelligence of any member of any forum, you should maybe do a little stronger self-assessment.

 

 

 

Nope, I think I was spot on.

 

Trolls are notoriously unintelligent unmitigated morons.

[David Savage]

 

And still, by your own reasoning...

 

We have evidence of a human who used large amounts of anti-oxidants and olive oil -- PROVEN HISTORICAL EVIDENCE -- who just so happens to have been the longest lived human in modern recorded - Jean Calment 123 years (about 50% more than the mean)  -- she doused every meal with olive oil, and ate a kilogram of dark chocolate a week 

 

Jean Calment consumed Olive Oil and chocolate...nothing here to do with C60...yet you've spent years and thousands gulping down olive oil and carbon...

 

 

 

 

Olive oil and one of the most powerful anti-oxidants in nature (dark chocolate)

 

Olive oil and C60

 

you can't see the obvious connection?

 

 

And I spend more on wine in a few months than I have spent on the 4 grams of C60 I have consumed in olive oil.

 

 

You sure are kinda defensive and preachy for a janitor...

 

==========================================================================================

 

Connection = Olive oil and Chocolate =/= Olive Oil and C60 - ZERO Proof of this.

==========================================================================================

SES is located in an industrial park, therefore they must not make C60 

(which I destroyed)

 

You read something on their website...wink wink...and my argument is destroyed?

 

I never said that they didn't have the ability to make C60, I just question the quality of product being manufactured in a shithole stripmall...furthermore, just because they've sold something to somebody someplace, doesn't actually make them a regular supplier...LARGE LEAPS.

 

==========================================================================================

You are the one making the argument that C60 dissolved in edible oil and activated charcoal dissolved in edible oil are the same chemically -- the ONUS is on you to prove it.

 

I never made that claim, I asked a question...You don't know the difference either.

 

==========================================================================================

Is this your website?

https://not-the-norm...r-clarification

 

Nope...I got no dogs in this fight.  Was just seeing if I could get some information prior to actually testing C60 myself.

 

==========================================================================================

 

I think about the only conclusion we can make about testing C60oo, if we assume that this is actually what you have been sloshing back, is that it has ABSOLUTELY ZERO NOOTROPIC VALUE.

 

All the best of the New Year to ya!

 

==========================================================================================

[sensei]

 

 

Nope...I got no dogs in this fight.  Was just seeing if I could get some information prior to actually testing C60 myself.

 

 

 

Oooohkay...

 

1. It's an industrial park, not a strip mall -- a quick google maps shows exactly that

 

2. There is plenty of literature showing the why and how regarding C60 dissolved in olive oil -- and any toxicity -- you should pm niner -- he can break down the bonding structure between the fatty acids and C60 in edible oils

 

3. Did you know that rats treated with C60 survived Carbon Tetrachloride challenge?

 

http://pubs.acs.org/...rnalCode=nalefd

 

here is a great paper with lots of good technical references regarding C60OO

 

Possible Mechanisms of Fullerene C60 Antioxidant Action

V. A. Chistyakov, 1 Yu. O. Smirnova, 2 , 3 ,* E. V. Prazdnova, 1 and A. V. Soldatov 2

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC3816026/

Edited by sensei, 31 December 2017 - 08:31 PM.

[David Savage]

 

 

 

Nope...I got no dogs in this fight.  Was just seeing if I could get some information prior to actually testing C60 myself.

 

 

 

Oooohkay...

 

1. It's an industrial park, not a strip mall -- a quick google maps shows exactly that

 

2. There is plenty of literature showing the why and how regarding C60 dissolved in olive oil -- and any toxicity -- you should pm niner -- he can break down the bonding structure between the fatty acids and C60 in edible oils

 

3. Did you know that rats treated with C60 survived Carbon Tetrachloride challenge?

 

http://pubs.acs.org/...rnalCode=nalefd

 

here is a great paper with lots of good technical references regarding C60OO

 

Possible Mechanisms of Fullerene C60 Antioxidant Action

V. A. Chistyakov, 1 Yu. O. Smirnova, 2 , 3 ,* E. V. Prazdnova, 1 and A. V. Soldatov 2

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm...les/PMC3816026/

 

Alright...ya got me, one final reply...

 

2 College Dropouts that manufacture Dust in a Strip Mall is always going to be laughable. ALWAYS!

 

I don't actually care how C60 is bonded with fatty acids...because like in the link you've posted, these are all theories...Note the words "Possible Mechanisms of Fullerene C60", EMPHASIS on the word "POSSIBLE".  I think, it is theorized, I believe, it is possible are not FACTUAL STATEMENTS, they are guesses.  Until proven, it's all bullshit!

 

But...Now that you've made your way to Pubmed, why not just do a search for the benefits of just taking Olive Oil...

 

Shit that is actually proven and was, once again, one of my original questions:

Is there any proof that benefits from taking C60 and Olive Oil cannot be 100% attributed to just the Olive Oil Alone??

 

One last thought on this, comes from an old joke...

Wasn't feeling well so I went to the doctor.  He gave me a prescription and told me to take these pills 3x per day, with an 8oz glass of water.

I said, is it this serious doc?  What do these pills even do?

He says, they don't do anything, you just need to Drink More Water!

 

Maybe we don't need to spend a lot of cash on dust, turning basements into chemlabs, brushing up on our stoichiometry...maybe we just need to Eat More Fat?

[sensei]

 

Shit that is actually proven and was, once again, one of my original questions:

Is there any proof that benefits from taking C60 and Olive Oil cannot be 100% attributed to just the Olive Oil Alone??

 

 

 

Yes, actually.

 

The Olive oil only cohort vs. the Olive oil and C60 cohort showed a statistically significant difference both from control and each other.

 

Did you take statistics? Go read the Baati paper again.

 

"The survival distributions for C60-olive oil-treated rats and controls were estimated by the non-parametric Kaplane Meier estimator (Fig. 3) and compared by a log-rank estimated test. The estimated median lifespan (EML) for the C60-treated rats was 42 months while the EMLs for control rats and olive oil-treated rats were 22 and 26 months, respectively. These are increases of 18 and 90% for the olive-oil and C60-treated rats, respectively, as compared to controls."

 

 

https://carbon60plus...se-in-lifespan/

 

 

18% is pretty close to 20% -- and we see approximately 20% increase in lifespan of persons with diets high in olive oil vs those not (approx 90 years vs approximately 75 years)

Edited by sensei, 31 December 2017 - 10:18 PM.