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[niner]

Lots of things work in vitro but not in vivo. That patent is all in vitro.

Here's another substance which apparently blocks a PMA inflammatory response in vitro:
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20673574

The usual reason that things work in vitro but not in vivo is that the pharmacokinetics of the compound are too lousy to hit the concentrations they used in the in vivo work. While phosphorylated glucosamine may or may not have poor PK, (my guess would be poor), we already know that the C60-fatty acid adduct has good PK, and, assuming that it reacts using chemistry that has already been shown in C60, it would be structurally similar to the compounds in the Luna patent. While none of this is a guarantee, I think C60 has a good shot at some amount of plaque prevention, among other things.

[hav]

Sorry I haven't reported in a while. I've been busy relocating myself and it's taken a while to catch up on this thread.

My wife and I started supplementing with 15 ml/day of .8 gr/l solution of SES 99.5% C60 for about 3 weeks, followed by a 1 week break starting the last week in May. Then bumped it up to 45 ml/day solution for 36 mg/day of C60... which fits conviniently into a whiskey shot glass. Been doing that ever since with a week break every 4 weeks. Here's a link to my 1st batch photo.

Here's some info in myself: Age: 62. Height: 5 ft, 7 in. Weight: 215 lbs. Wife, Age: 60, Height, 5 ft, 8 in, Weight, 155 lbs.

Can't say I've noticed any striking effects clearly attributable to C60. Both of our hair colors are light brown and getting lighter (grayer). I've always had a thinning area on the back of my head and my wife indicates it looks unchanged to her. I can't really speak to workout endurance during this period because my traveling has messed up my shedule but I'm doing the same routine when I get the chance... I expect that will settle down soon now so I might be abble to report on that later. Note that my routine doesn't include weight lifting by does include the eliptical with I had previously observed went from a 5 minute to a 30 minute session about a year and a half ago when I started taking a Resveratrol/Luteolin combo... which I still continue to take.

One of the more striking effects I noticed was after my move began but probably not attributable to C60. The moving effort was quite strenious with numerous successive 8 hour days of truck loading and unloading. The C60 may or may not have boosted my endurance to make it all possible. I don't know. But afterwards, the negative effects of Lipitor that I take seemed to increase to the point that leg cramps in my right leg nearly immobilized me. Added CoQ10 to my stack and it helped a bit. But after 2 weeks of severe discomfort I stopped taking the Lipitor. The leg cramps immediately lessened and my sense of cognition and clarity seemed to take a major leap forward. Which immediately brought to mind the effects Turnbuckle described. Based on his posts I've just ordered some pqq to see if it further boosts the effect.

On a side note, my wife just had a pretty good bout with poison ivy. C60 didn't seem to impart any immunity to her for that. I've been immune all my like and that hasn't changed.

Btw, up till now I've been sticking with Tunesian evoo. The last 4 batches (1 liter every 2 weeks) have been a Botticelli brand I found in a local Stop&Shop in 2 liter cans. Although they also source from Italy and Spain, their EVOO in green cans are all marked with a TU code indicating Tunesian source. Taste is on the buttery side making me suspect its a late harvest. I just got some Bariani Early Harvest in (direct from the source) so I'll be trying that for my next batch.

Howard

[hav]

Yes I filter the C60oo. I was sent a small filter by Dr. V.... Which was made of plastic and eventually had cracks from the suction used to pull the C60oo through the filter. I have gone through a couple of them.... And through 2 Hannah HI 311N magnetic stirrers.

Well, you that's the last time I buy Hannah stirrers.

I burned up my 1st Hanna 190M last Friday. Wish I'd seen your post before ordering 2 heavier duty 301N's which just arrived today. The 311Ns you burned up seem to be the ones designed for stirring oils.

Btw, now that I've gone to mixing 800 mg of C60 to a liter of evoo, I only see the slightest traces of sediment along the side of thr centrifuge tubes after 2 hours and 1790g (4000 rpm). And still nothing on any filters. So I'm still centrifuging but have stopped filtering.

Howard

[niner]

My wife and I started supplementing with 15 ml/day of .8 gr/l solution of SES 99.5% C60 for about 3 weeks

Thanks for the report, Howard. Are you using 99.5% or 99.95%? Earlier you mentioned 99.95%.

Keep us posted if anything interesting turns up, either positive or negative.

[hav]

My wife and I started supplementing with 15 ml/day of .8 gr/l solution of SES 99.5% C60 for about 3 weeks

Thanks for the report, Howard. Are you using 99.5% or 99.95%? Earlier you mentioned 99.95%.

Keep us posted if anything interesting turns up, either positive or negative.

Must have mistyped before... just double checked the bottle and it definitely is labeled 99.5%.

Howard

[mikey]

Reporting another anecdote. My 32-year old friend, Mac, had a broken bone in his foot. Don't know which one, but he had major pain and swelling. One of the small bones.

One Prolozone injection stopped the pain and the swelling for 10 days, then it started up again.

For those who don't know, Prolozone is Prolotherapy that includes ozone, which greatly amplifies its effectiveness.

Well, he started C60 at 2.4 mg/day and his foot stopped swelling and returned to fully normal function. He's walking normally.
C60 effected rapid healing in a young athletic man.

[mikey]

Does anyone have suggestions for blood tests that might tell us something specific about C60's effects?

Anything that speaks to your redox status would be interesting, if you can get a before and after. Since you've already started, that might rule out the 'before' test unless you've already done it. One such test that comes to mind is glutathione ration; the ratio of oxidized to reduced glutathione. A malondialdehyde level might be interesting. I know there are others, though I don't remember names at the moment. These are fairly specialized tests, and probably wouldn't be found at just any old lab. The antiaging doc that you use might have the name of a more sophisticated lab, or maybe you already have one. If you have a link to the available tests, I'd be happy to look at it and tell you which ones might be useful.

I haven't done those tests. However, if they're available from the lab I use, or one my doc knows of, then I might get them soon, where I've only done 10-12 mg three days in a row - before I do a one week loading dosing - mimicking the high dose in the study - followed by a 1/3 maintenance daily dose ongoing.

And then test again in a couple of months and see if there are improvements.

I'll email my doc and get back to you. And thanks.

We couldn't find those tests, but I am doing the Biophysical 250, which I will repeat after a year of C60.

[sapentia]

I would like everybody's feedback on the following: my mother was diagnosed with early stage breast cancer 3 months ago. She proceeded to have surgery to remove the cancerous region within the breast and began radiation therapy today. I realize there are no studies regarding C60-OO supplementation with respect to cancer of any type, but couldn't help wondering if it would be beneficial and possibly worth her taking. I have personally been on C60-OO for a couple months and have posted in this thread before.

Thank you in advance; I welcome all your thoughts.

[niner]

Sorry to hear about your mom, sapentia; I hope she's ok. I would be cautious about using C60 in her case, because it would be expected to be radioprotective, and thus it might protect cancerous cells from the radiation as well as protecting healthy cells.

[sapentia]

Sorry to hear about your mom, sapentia; I hope she's ok. I would be cautious about using C60 in her case, because it would be expected to be radioprotective, and thus it might protect cancerous cells from the radiation as well as protecting healthy cells.

Thank you niner; she has had tremendous medical care at Chapel Hill. Everything was caught very early on and the prognosis is good, but cancer is nothing to take lightly. I appreciate your feedback. It is strange that the body needs to be allowed to be more susceptible in order for the radiation to be most effective. They have already ordered no antioxidant supplementation among other things, so I suspect you are spot on about the C60.

On a side note, we do so much to prevent sickness and disease through our diets and supplementation, but when something actually happens to us or a loved one it can be very sobering and perhaps burst our psychological bubble of perceived protection that we think all these things give us. That being said, I always look to the positive side and think, "but what if she/he/I hadn't been taking such and such; how much worse could it have been."

[mikey]

I would like everybody's feedback on the following: my mother was diagnosed with early stage breast cancer 3 months ago. She proceeded to have surgery to remove the cancerous region within the breast and began radiation therapy today. I realize there are no studies regarding C60-OO supplementation with respect to cancer of any type, but couldn't help wondering if it would be beneficial and possibly worth her taking. I have personally been on C60-OO for a couple months and have posted in this thread before.

Thank you in advance; I welcome all your thoughts.

I'm sorry that she has cancer, but I'm also sorry to hear that she had the surgery. A new form of nutrient delivery, using liposomes to deliver vitamin C, has one well-documented report of curing cancer.

As well, I have an 81-year old friend who had a tumor graded for size as a 6 that is now a 3.5. She started taking the liposomal vitamin C in February and it has consistently shrunk the tumor over this period of time. She added liposomal glutathione in June and its additive effect seems to have accelerated the shrinking of the tumor.

She's taking 1,000 mg of liposomal vitamin C six times a day with added 170 mg of liposomal glutathione twice a day.

Liposomal vitamin C delivers vitamin C into the body's cells at approximately 90%, where IV vitamin C delivers at only about 20%.

You can read the details about liposomal vitamin C and the documented story of a man who was so near death that his doctors were about to take him off life support in an article on my web site at: http://www.michaelmo...CureCancer.html

My best wishes for your mom. Mine died from pancreatic cancer two years ago. If I knew about liposomal vitamins then I believe that she would be alive today.

[mikey]

Sorry to hear about your mom, sapentia; I hope she's ok. I would be cautious about using C60 in her case, because it would be expected to be radioprotective, and thus it might protect cancerous cells from the radiation as well as protecting healthy cells.

The data on using antioxidants with chemo show vitamin C to protect tissue that is not cancerous from radiation while not impairing the effects of radiation.

Dr. Frank Shallenberger has written a thorough protocol for using antioxidants with radiation for a much better effect.

He says in his write-up, "Many oncologists tell you not to take any antioxidants or supplements while you're doing chemo. This baffles me, because published studies show patients who combine nutritional therapies with chemo do better than patients on chemo alone.

In fact, a recent study in Cancer Treatment Reviews looked at 845 articles published on taking antioxidants such as glutathione, melatonin, vitamin A, vitamin C, N-acetylcysteine, vitamin E and ellagic acid while undergoing chemotherapy.

Researchers found that in many cases, patients taking antioxidants had increased survival times, increased tumor responses, or both. They also had reduced toxicity from the chemo when compared to patients not taking supplements. That’s why I user plenty of supplements and nutraceuticals in my cancer treatment."

His write-up is 8 pages. If you want to read it I'll scan it for you. Just say the word and, of course, I'll do anything I can to help.

[Logan]

Sorry to hear about your mom, sapentia; I hope she's ok. I would be cautious about using C60 in her case, because it would be expected to be radioprotective, and thus it might protect cancerous cells from the radiation as well as protecting healthy cells.

The data on using antioxidants with chemo show vitamin C to protect tissue that is not cancerous from radiation while not impairing the effects of radiation.

Dr. Frank Shallenberger has written a thorough protocol for using antioxidants with radiation for a much better effect.

He says in his write-up, "Many oncologists tell you not to take any antioxidants or supplements while you're doing chemo. This baffles me, because published studies show patients who combine nutritional therapies with chemo do better than patients on chemo alone.

In fact, a recent study in Cancer Treatment Reviews looked at 845 articles published on taking antioxidants such as glutathione, melatonin, vitamin A, vitamin C, N-acetylcysteine, vitamin E and ellagic acid while undergoing chemotherapy.

Researchers found that in many cases, patients taking antioxidants had increased survival times, increased tumor responses, or both. They also had reduced toxicity from the chemo when compared to patients not taking supplements. That’s why I user plenty of supplements and nutraceuticals in my cancer treatment."

His write-up is 8 pages. If you want to read it I'll scan it for you. Just say the word and, of course, I'll do anything I can to help.

Why risk it at this stage in the game? Surgery is the way to go IMHO.

[niner]

The data on using antioxidants with chemo show vitamin C to protect tissue that is not cancerous from radiation while not impairing the effects of radiation.

Dr. Frank Shallenberger has written a thorough protocol for using antioxidants with radiation for a much better effect.

In fact, a recent study in Cancer Treatment Reviews looked at 845 articles published on taking antioxidants such as glutathione, melatonin, vitamin A, vitamin C, N-acetylcysteine, vitamin E and ellagic acid while undergoing chemotherapy.

I think a lot of people here would be interested in taking a look at that. It's all going to boil down to the differential effects on cancer cells and healthy cells. If the healthy cells are preferentially protected from the effects of radiation or chemo, it's a win, and if the cancerous cells are preferentially protected, it's a loser. Do you have the full ref (or at least an author and a year) for that CTR review?

[tintinet]

Dr. Frank Shallenberger, eh. Google this dude and see if you'd take his advice.

[HHM]

Has anyone considered transdermal administration (eg dissolving c60 in pure DMSO and subsequently dilluting this with olive oil - eg to 50 % v/v). This will properly contain very few c60 agglomerates

[smithx]

Dr. Frank Shallenberger, eh. Google this dude and see if you'd take his advice.

Good point: http://faculty.uml.e...ard_case_ag.htm

In 1994, based on its investigation of several extremely serious complaints from his patients and their loved ones, the Medical Board of California found that Dr. Frank A. Shallenberger was subject to multiple disciplinary actions due to "gross incompetence," "repeated acts of gross negligence," and "acts of dishonesty and corruption which are substantially related to the qualifications, functions, or duties of a physician and surgeon." In response, Dr. Shallenberger chose not to contest the Board's findings, but to surrender his license to practice medicine in the state of California.

After losing his license in California, Dr. Shallenberger moved to Nevada, where he now runs the Nevada Center for Alternative and Anti-Aging Medicine in Carson City.

In 1995, having failed to notify Nevada officials of the surrender of his California license, Dr. Shallenberger was publicly admonished by the Nevada Board of Medical Examiners. The President of the Board, Thomas Scully, MD, wrote to Shallenberger, "Your conduct casts great discredit upon you personally and professionally, and upon the medical profession in general. It is my unpleasant duty as President of the Nevada State Board of Medical Examiners to formally and publicly reprimand you for your conduct."

In September 2007, Shallenberger pleaded guilty to one count of medical malpractice in response to another complaint against him. The case arose as a consequence of Shallenberger's mistreatment of David Horton, who died after Shallenberger misdiagnosed his colon cancer as hemorrhoids, treated him with witch-hazel and other ineffectual remedies, then, after Horton's cancer had spread, unsuccessfully tried to combat the disease with Insulin Potentiation Therapy, a controversial treatment that has yet to be accepted by mainstream oncologists.
In line with its history of protecting dangerous doctors, the Medical Board did not revoke or suspend Shallenberger's license. Instead, for his direct contribution to his patient's death, the Board fined him only $5,000 and ordered him to pay $6,500 in legal costs.
At the same meeting, the Board dismissed a second complaint against Shallenberger, maintaining that it could not discipline him for mistreating a patient with severe cognitive impairments because he also holds a homeopathic license, and, according to the Medical Board at that time, homeopaths in Nevada do not have to conform to ordinary standards of medical care even when they are also licensed MD's.
In August 2009, the Medical Board responded to yet another complaint against Shallenberger, charging him with two counts of malpractice for misdiagnosing and mistreating a patient by ignoring laboratory results and improperly prescribing medication. In contrast to its earlier claim that it was not responsible for overseeing homeopathic MD's, the Board charged Shallenberger with malpractice in part because he had used homeopathic tests to "improperly diagnose" a patient "as having hypothyroidism in the face of normal lab results."

[Turnbuckle]

Has anyone considered transdermal administration (eg dissolving c60 in pure DMSO and subsequently dilluting this with olive oil - eg to 50 % v/v). This will properly contain very few c60 agglomerates

Vegetable oils have surprisingly low solubility in DMSO. For soybean oil, for instance, it's 0.6 g/100cc.

Edited by Turnbuckle, 14 August 2012 - 11:54 PM.

[Turnbuckle]

In fact, a recent study in Cancer Treatment Reviews looked at 845 articles published on taking antioxidants such as glutathione, melatonin, vitamin A, vitamin C, N-acetylcysteine, vitamin E and ellagic acid while undergoing chemotherapy.

Researchers found that in many cases, patients taking antioxidants had increased survival times, increased tumor responses, or both. They also had reduced toxicity from the chemo when compared to patients not taking supplements. That’s why I user plenty of supplements and nutraceuticals in my cancer treatment."

His write-up is 8 pages. If you want to read it I'll scan it for you. Just say the word and, of course, I'll do anything I can to help.

The review mikey mentioned (note that only 19 of the 845 articles were included)--

PURPOSE:

Much debate has arisen about whether antioxidant supplementation alters the efficacy of cancer chemotherapy. Some have argued that antioxidants scavenge the reactive oxygen species integral to the activity of certain chemotherapy drugs, thereby diminishing treatment efficacy. Others suggest antioxidants may mitigate toxicity and thus allow for uninterrupted treatment schedules and a reduced need for lowering chemotherapy doses. The objective of this study is to systematically review the literature in order to compile results from randomized trials that evaluate concurrent use of antioxidants with chemotherapy.
DESIGN:

MEDLINE, Cochrane, CinAhl, AMED, AltHealthWatch and EMBASE databases were searched. Only randomized, controlled clinical trials that reported survival and/or tumor response were included in the final tally. The literature searches were performed in duplicate following a standardized protocol. No meta-analysis was performed due to heterogeneity of tumor types and treatment protocols used in trials that met the inclusion criteria.
RESULTS:

Of 845 articles considered, 19 trials met the inclusion criteria. Antioxidants evaluated were: glutathione (7), melatonin (4), vitamin A (2), an antioxidant mixture (2), vitamin C (1), N-acetylcysteine (1), vitamin E (1) and ellagic acid (1). Subjects of most studies had advanced or relapsed disease.
CONCLUSION:

None of the trials reported evidence of significant decreases in efficacy from antioxidant supplementation during chemotherapy. Many of the studies indicated that antioxidant supplementation resulted in either increased survival times, increased tumor responses, or both, as well as fewer toxicities than controls; however, lack of adequate statistical power was a consistent limitation. Large, well-designed studies of antioxidant supplementation concurrent with chemotherapy are warranted.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17367938

Edited by Turnbuckle, 15 August 2012 - 12:02 AM.

[mikey]

The data on using antioxidants with chemo show vitamin C to protect tissue that is not cancerous from radiation while not impairing the effects of radiation.

Dr. Frank Shallenberger has written a thorough protocol for using antioxidants with radiation for a much better effect.

In fact, a recent study in Cancer Treatment Reviews looked at 845 articles published on taking antioxidants such as glutathione, melatonin, vitamin A, vitamin C, N-acetylcysteine, vitamin E and ellagic acid while undergoing chemotherapy.

I think a lot of people here would be interested in taking a look at that. It's all going to boil down to the differential effects on cancer cells and healthy cells. If the healthy cells are preferentially protected from the effects of radiation or chemo, it's a win, and if the cancerous cells are preferentially protected, it's a loser. Do you have the full ref (or at least an author and a year) for that CTR review?

Yes. Block KI et al., Impact of antioxidant supplementation on chemotherapeutic efficacy: A systematic
review of the evidence from randomized controlled trials ..., Cancer Treat Rev (2007), doi:10.1016/j.ctrv.2007.01.005

I'll scan the eight pages of Dr. Shallenberger's write-up over the next day or two and post it.

[mikey]

Dr. Frank Shallenberger, eh. Google this dude and see if you'd take his advice.

Good point: http://faculty.uml.e...ard_case_ag.htm

In 1994, based on its investigation of several extremely serious complaints from his patients and their loved ones, the Medical Board of California found that Dr. Frank A. Shallenberger was subject to multiple disciplinary actions due to "gross incompetence," "repeated acts of gross negligence," and "acts of dishonesty and corruption which are substantially related to the qualifications, functions, or duties of a physician and surgeon." In response, Dr. Shallenberger chose not to contest the Board's findings, but to surrender his license to practice medicine in the state of California.

After losing his license in California, Dr. Shallenberger moved to Nevada, where he now runs the Nevada Center for Alternative and Anti-Aging Medicine in Carson City.

In 1995, having failed to notify Nevada officials of the surrender of his California license, Dr. Shallenberger was publicly admonished by the Nevada Board of Medical Examiners. The President of the Board, Thomas Scully, MD, wrote to Shallenberger, "Your conduct casts great discredit upon you personally and professionally, and upon the medical profession in general. It is my unpleasant duty as President of the Nevada State Board of Medical Examiners to formally and publicly reprimand you for your conduct."

In September 2007, Shallenberger pleaded guilty to one count of medical malpractice in response to another complaint against him. The case arose as a consequence of Shallenberger's mistreatment of David Horton, who died after Shallenberger misdiagnosed his colon cancer as hemorrhoids, treated him with witch-hazel and other ineffectual remedies, then, after Horton's cancer had spread, unsuccessfully tried to combat the disease with Insulin Potentiation Therapy, a controversial treatment that has yet to be accepted by mainstream oncologists.
In line with its history of protecting dangerous doctors, the Medical Board did not revoke or suspend Shallenberger's license. Instead, for his direct contribution to his patient's death, the Board fined him only $5,000 and ordered him to pay $6,500 in legal costs.
At the same meeting, the Board dismissed a second complaint against Shallenberger, maintaining that it could not discipline him for mistreating a patient with severe cognitive impairments because he also holds a homeopathic license, and, according to the Medical Board at that time, homeopaths in Nevada do not have to conform to ordinary standards of medical care even when they are also licensed MD's.
In August 2009, the Medical Board responded to yet another complaint against Shallenberger, charging him with two counts of malpractice for misdiagnosing and mistreating a patient by ignoring laboratory results and improperly prescribing medication. In contrast to its earlier claim that it was not responsible for overseeing homeopathic MD's, the Board charged Shallenberger with malpractice in part because he had used homeopathic tests to "improperly diagnose" a patient "as having hypothyroidism in the face of normal lab results."

Yikes! Not a good report.

Even so, I judge information on its merit. Dr. Shallenberger's Prolozone therapy is the first real answer to degeneration of cartilage besides knee replacement. It works. It worked on my Dad's 70-year old wife with near bone-on-bone knees and it worked on my painful mildly eroded knees.

It also worked on a broken, painful third metatarsal bone in a swollen foot on a 30-year old friend. The swelling and pain were gone quickly.

So, whether Shallenberger is "misguided" doesn't change the validity of the information he presents when it's logical and it works. The information stands on its own merits.

[sapentia]

The data on using antioxidants with chemo show vitamin C to protect tissue that is not cancerous from radiation while not impairing the effects of radiation.

Thank you for your input MIkey and my condolences on your mother's passing two years ago. My mother's cancer was very small - about the size of a pea - which didn't necessarily justify alternative approaches given that the likelihood of a full recovery is very high. She isn't having chemo but radiation. I haven't taken the time to do an exhaustive study on the effects of antioxidants on radiation in cancerous vs. healthy cells, but I find it very likely that some antioxidants do in fact have a radioprotective effect even if others do not. If this is the case then they would impair the radiation therapy. I will look into liposomal vitamin C though as this is not something I have researched before.

Once her radiation therapy is over in a couple months I will be seriously considering giving her C60 for its potential recovery aspects as others anecdotally noted. I am sure radiation is a bitch on the mitochondria, and I know the therapy is supposed to create permanent weakness in the affected region to include lung function.

My apologies for taking this thread on a mild tangent. I am still taking my C60-OO at 10mL of 0.8mg/mL one day per week as a maintenance dose. I have been considering getting some equipment to mix up my own batch for the next time around which would give me the freedom to experiment with higher dosing and variable time protocols.

Which purity do you guys feel safe with? 99.5%, 99.9%, 99.95%

[smithx]

Which purity do you guys feel safe with? 99.5%, 99.9%, 99.95%

The 99.95% is vacuum dried, so I would expect it to have basically none of the potentially carcinogenic volatile solvents which are likely present in the other purities.

[niner]

Which purity do you guys feel safe with? 99.5%, 99.9%, 99.95%

The 99.95% is vacuum dried, so I would expect it to have basically none of the potentially carcinogenic volatile solvents which are likely present in the other purities.

That was my thinking as well; I just bought a gram of 99.95%. It's probably overkill, but considering how little C60 a human appears to need, this should last for a year or more, which is less money than I spend on several other supplements. It's one less thing to worry about.

Speaking of buying C60, I toyed with the idea of buying a bunch as an "investment". (I have to put that in quotes...)

Possible scenarios:

C60 finally hits the media, precipitating a mad run on supplies; prices spike to $1000/gm.

Baati can't be replicated, and we all start dropping like flies. I'm stuck with useless C60, can't afford decent funeral.

Government steps in to prevent sales of C60 to individuals; grey market ensues, price $5000/gm.

Baati is replicated and extended, offering possibility of 200 year human lifespans with no other interventions. World governments universally consider this too disruptive to society, and an international ban on possession of C60 is imposed. Black market price exceeds $100K/gram. I am murdered by Ukrainian Mobsters.

[Logan]

LOL

LOL

[Logan]

Mikey, I believe hip bone marrow stem cell treatments may have more healing potential than prolozone

Edited by Logan, 16 August 2012 - 02:57 AM.

[mikey]

Mikey, I believe hip bone marrow stem cell treatments may have more healing potential than prolozone

I don't know of a basis for comparison, so I wont voice an opinion.

But my 82-year old father is getting stem cell injections in his cerebral spinal fluid and he is raving about how much better he feels.

Of course, both avenues appear to produce amazing results.

[sapentia]

Speaking of buying C60, I toyed with the idea of buying a bunch as an "investment". (I have to put that in quotes...)

Possible scenarios:

C60 finally hits the media, precipitating a mad run on supplies; prices spike to $1000/gm.

Baati can't be replicated, and we all start dropping like flies. I'm stuck with useless C60, can't afford decent funeral.

Government steps in to prevent sales of C60 to individuals; grey market ensues, price $5000/gm.

Baati is replicated and extended, offering possibility of 200 year human lifespans with no other interventions. World governments universally consider this too disruptive to society, and an international ban on possession of C60 is imposed. Black market price exceeds $100K/gram. I am murdered by Ukrainian Mobsters.

I like these scenarios but you missed one unlikely outcome! Subjects who have been taking C60 for extended period of times develop bullet-proof cellular membranes due to dynamic reinforcement from C60. "This was an unexpected outcome," Niner told reporters "but I was amazed when bullet after bullet fired by Ukrainian mobsters simply bounced off of me."

Edited by sapentia, 16 August 2012 - 05:48 PM.

[MarcD]

Don't forget about his teleportation abilities: http://pluslucis.uni.../993/s05_07.pdf

Edit: Link in english: http://www.univie.ac.../c60/index.html

Edited by MarcD, 17 August 2012 - 05:31 AM.

[niner]

Don't forget about his teleportation abilities: http://pluslucis.uni.../993/s05_07.pdf

Edit: Link in english: http://www.univie.ac.../c60/index.html

Wow, that is some extremely cool molecular physics. When I was an undergrad, I worked for a summer in a molecular beam lab like that.