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[mikey]

The data on using antioxidants with chemo show vitamin C to protect tissue that is not cancerous from radiation while not impairing the effects of radiation.

Dr. Frank Shallenberger has written a thorough protocol for using antioxidants with radiation for a much better effect.

In fact, a recent study in Cancer Treatment Reviews looked at 845 articles published on taking antioxidants such as glutathione, melatonin, vitamin A, vitamin C, N-acetylcysteine, vitamin E and ellagic acid while undergoing chemotherapy.

I think a lot of people here would be interested in taking a look at that. It's all going to boil down to the differential effects on cancer cells and healthy cells. If the healthy cells are preferentially protected from the effects of radiation or chemo, it's a win, and if the cancerous cells are preferentially protected, it's a loser. Do you have the full ref (or at least an author and a year) for that CTR review?

Here's a study that showed that vitamin C helped radiation in addressing brain cancer.
http://www.sciencedi...891584912000652

[mikey]

Dr. Frank Shallenberger, eh. Google this dude and see if you'd take his advice.

Ah, but the hatchet job done to Dr. Shallenberger is in scientific terms "stinky feces."

Read up -- he was attacked by conventional medical demons for going outside the box and being successful in creating real cures for medical problems that conventional medicine can only throw drugs that mask symptoms at.

And his patients approve this message.

http://www.truthabou...llenberger.com/

[Aronte]

I found this "After 3 days of approximately 8 grams of C60 in olive oil I have noticed no side effects. The preparation is quite involved and requires special laboratory equipment. One must mix the C60 for several days with a magnetic stirrer, centrifuge and then filter the solution. There is some debate over the necessity of these steps but I am following the preparation as described in the experiment which demonstrated the incased lifespan of Wistar rats."
http://www.patientsl...aluations/90336

His take 2.66 g of c60 every day, isn't too much ??

Giuseppe

[niner]

His take 2.66 g of c60 every day, isn't too much ??

He must be mistaken. He probably means milligrams, not grams. 2.66 grams per day is WAY too much. I doubt that the average human could drink that much olive oil, as it would take over 3 liters to dissolve that much.

[hav]

Does anyone have suggestions for blood tests that might tell us something specific about C60's effects?

Anything that speaks to your redox status would be interesting, if you can get a before and after. Since you've already started, that might rule out the 'before' test unless you've already done it. One such test that comes to mind is glutathione ration; the ratio of oxidized to reduced glutathione. A malondialdehyde level might be interesting. I know there are others, though I don't remember names at the moment. These are fairly specialized tests, and probably wouldn't be found at just any old lab. The antiaging doc that you use might have the name of a more sophisticated lab, or maybe you already have one. If you have a link to the available tests, I'd be happy to look at it and tell you which ones might be useful.

I haven't done those tests. However, if they're available from the lab I use, or one my doc knows of, then I might get them soon, where I've only done 10-12 mg three days in a row - before I do a one week loading dosing - mimicking the high dose in the study - followed by a 1/3 maintenance daily dose ongoing.

And then test again in a couple of months and see if there are improvements.

I'll email my doc and get back to you. And thanks.

We couldn't find those tests, but I am doing the Biophysical 250, which I will repeat after a year of C60.

Does Biophysical 250 include the tests you are looking for? I did find a lab in the UK that seems to sell 4 assay kits that mention glutathione:

http://www.oxfordbiomed.com/assay-kits

Howard

[mikey]

We couldn't find those tests, but I am doing the Biophysical 250, which I will repeat after a year of C60.

Does Biophysical 250 include the tests you are looking for? I did find a lab in the UK that seems to sell 4 assay kits that mention glutathione:

http://www.oxfordbiomed.com/assay-kits

Howard

Biophysical250 is 250 tests in one, described as "The Ultimate Blood Test" by an article in Scientific American.

I decided that if I'm going to do what might be the ultimate experiment, taking C60 to live two or three or ? times longer, I want to know as much as I can know of the state I'm in. I wished I'd done it before any use of fullerenes, but better early than not. I did the LifeLength telomere test before I started C60 - and am waiting for the results.

As well, I do 2 - 3 comprehensive blood tests a year, so I'll be watching to see if there are measurements that seem to be altered since I've been using C60.

[Turnbuckle]

I found this "After 3 days of approximately 8 grams of C60 in olive oil I have noticed no side effects. The preparation is quite involved and requires special laboratory equipment. One must mix the C60 for several days with a magnetic stirrer, centrifuge and then filter the solution. There is some debate over the necessity of these steps but I am following the preparation as described in the experiment which demonstrated the incased lifespan of Wistar rats."
http://www.patientsl...aluations/90336

His take 2.66 g of c60 every day, isn't too much ??

Giuseppe

That is, in fact, HappyPhysicist, who is a member here. He started at 8 mg daily, then changed it to 10, then to 50.

[Anthony_Loera]

I like this thread.

At 140mg a day of C60, which is close to a cup a day after my 3rd weekly batch... I am feeling pretty normal.

A couple weeks have gone by, and I am still alive without any adverse effects.

This week I'm meeting with an expert who may help us dissolve the C60 much faster. I'm crossing my fingers, because as it stands... The slow process we currently use is horrible if we want to scale it up.

If I find our experimental processing suitable, we will probably do small batches for folks here soon, knowing we could ramp it up if more folks get interested.

Cheers
A

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[hav]

We couldn't find those tests, but I am doing the Biophysical 250, which I will repeat after a year of C60.

Does Biophysical 250 include the tests you are looking for? I did find a lab in the UK that seems to sell 4 assay kits that mention glutathione:

http://www.oxfordbiomed.com/assay-kits

Howard

Biophysical250 is 250 tests in one, described as "The Ultimate Blood Test" by an article in Scientific American.

I decided that if I'm going to do what might be the ultimate experiment, taking C60 to live two or three or ? times longer, I want to know as much as I can know of the state I'm in. I wished I'd done it before any use of fullerenes, but better early than not. I did the LifeLength telomere test before I started C60 - and am waiting for the results.

As well, I do 2 - 3 comprehensive blood tests a year, so I'll be watching to see if there are measurements that seem to be altered since I've been using C60.

Looks like a very comprehensive test which probably stands a good chance of shedding some light on the effects folks are experiencing. But when I pulled up their sample report and searched on glutathione, gsh, and gssg I came up empty. Am I searching on the wrong key words? Or is the idea to draw indirect inferences about glutathione levels and ratios from other biomarkers?

Howard

[niner]

I decided that if I'm going to do what might be the ultimate experiment, taking C60 to live two or three or ? times longer

I think you're being over-optimistic. The rats lived less than twice as long, and humans have a much longer lifespan than rats, suggesting that we have better inherent antioxidant defenses than rats do, so we will probably benefit less than the rats did. I think that we will still get a significant boost from C60-oo, but I wouldn't start making plans for any events in the 22nd century just yet.

[HHM]

A little warning. I have taken two doses (2x20ml) of homemade c60-oo solution made exactly acc Baati et al. In both cases I developed flu-like symptoms incl fever 1 day after intake. First time it took 3 days but this time it has taken 4 days and I'm still getting worse. I should mention that I in both cases were drinking quite a lot of alcohol same day as c60-oo intake. Also I spend several hours in the sun

Edited by HHM, 20 August 2012 - 08:42 PM.

[smithx]

A little warning. I have taken two doses (2x20ml) of homemade c60-oo solution made exactly acc Baati et al. In both cases I developed flu-like symptoms incl fever 1 day after intake. First time it took 3 days but this time it has taken 4 days and I'm still getting worse. I should mention that I in both cases were drinking quite a lot of alcohol same day as c60-oo intake. Also I spend several hours in the sun

Exactly like means:
- 2 weeks of continuous stirring in the dark
- 1 hour of 5000 g centrifugation
- 0.2um vacuum filtration

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[niner]

A little warning. I have taken two doses (2x20ml) of homemade c60-oo solution made exactly acc Baati et al. In both cases I developed flu-like symptoms incl fever 1 day after intake. First time it took 3 days but this time it has taken 4 days and I'm still getting worse. I should mention that I in both cases were drinking quite a lot of alcohol same day as c60-oo intake. Also I spend several hours in the sun

This is not the first report of flu-like symptoms that we've seen. Could you tell us the source and grade of the C60 that you used? In addition to what smithx mentioned above, what was the ratio of C60 to olive oil you used? 0.8g C60 per liter of oil? Have you ever consumed the same quantity of the olive oil you used without C60 in it?

[Turnbuckle]

My own experience with the flu occurred several days ago when I came down with an intestinal flu bug. Never had one before and I don't recommend it. It was going away by day three when I foolishly had a bowl of yogurt and fiber cereal, along with some activated carbon in water (which tasted gritty). The combination went through my system over 24 hours like a bag of broken razor blades. The pain, Jeez! I didn't sleep for days and began to hallucinate. Eventually it got a little better and I decided to take some C60 (7.5 mg). I was afraid before that it would make it worse and I couldn't imagine anything worse. After an hour there was no change and I began to suspect a null result. But after two hours something was happening and by three hours I was feeling much better. By the next day the bug was mostly gone. Probably just a coincidence, but I thought I'd mention it insofar as it didn't have a negative effect.

[laurence]

I've been on 10mg per day 99.5% ses C60 at 600mg / L in Red Island olive oil for around 3 weeks. Nothing much to report apart from generally feeling great until I caught 'Influenza A' which knocked me out for a day. My wife who is not taking C60 was ill for 2-3 days. My son caught it too and is currently in hospital which is where we got the diagnosis.

The last time I had flu was around 5 years ago and although it is difficult to compare this time round I felt worse but for a shorter duration and back to 100% the next day. Too many variables but for me at least the C60 did not seem to hinder my recovery and may have even helped.

[mikey]

Dr. Frank Shallenberger, eh. Google this dude and see if you'd take his advice.

Ah, but the hatchet job done to Dr. Shallenberger is in scientific terms "stinky feces."

Read up -- he was attacked by conventional medical demons for going outside the box and being successful in creating real cures for medical problems that conventional medicine can only throw drugs that mask symptoms at.

And his patients approve this message.

http://www.truthabou...llenberger.com/

I apologize to anyone my post offended. Suffice it to say, I should have been more even-handed and said, "It seems there are two sides to the story." And put the link up and left it up to the reader to decide what they thought about it.

At any rate, please accept my apology. Going forward, I will maintain a diplomatic tone in my posts.

[mikey]

I decided that if I'm going to do what might be the ultimate experiment, taking C60 to live two or three or ? times longer

I think you're being over-optimistic. The rats lived less than twice as long, and humans have a much longer lifespan than rats, suggesting that we have better inherent antioxidant defenses than rats do, so we will probably benefit less than the rats did. I think that we will still get a significant boost from C60-oo, but I wouldn't start making plans for any events in the 22nd century just yet.

I do tend to be an optimist, yes. But life extension has been a goal of mine for 45 years. And with more than one thing being shown to increase lifespan tremendously, it's logical that we will see even more amazing things as time goes by.

There's also the potential to clone worn out body parts. And we don't yet know just how much C60 can rejuvenate us.

In C60 Surprises - Anecdotes Of Unique Health Benefits several people are reporting what appears to be rejuvenation of skin, like reducing wrinkle depth. Then there are the reports of hair growth in balding spots.

The rat experiment didn't keep giving the rats a dose every day. Who knows how long they would have lived if they were dosed daily continuously?

[smithx]

The rat experiment didn't keep giving the rats a dose every day. Who knows how long they would have lived if they were dosed daily continuously?

Or that could have killed them sooner. More of something isn't necessarily better.

We won't know til someone does the experiments.

[Logic]

The rat experiment didn't keep giving the rats a dose every day. Who knows how long they would have lived if they were dosed daily continuously?

Or that could have killed them sooner. More of something isn't necessarily better.

We won't know til someone does the experiments.

Very good point...!

[sapentia]

Thought I would chime on potentially negative effects. I've been on the C60-OO for two months now; after a ten day loading period I take a once weekly maintenence dose. The only negative effect I would attribute to C60 is how it might alter the rate at which the body metabolizes drugs. For me this shows up on the occasional night when I take Advil PM (diphenhydramine as relevent to this discussion) to help me sleep. I notice a distinct "hung-over" grogginess which persists well into the next day and is obviously an undesired effect. This effect was never present until I began taking C60.

[HHM]

A little warning. I have taken two doses (2x20ml) of homemade c60-oo solution made exactly acc Baati et al. In both cases I developed flu-like symptoms incl fever 1 day after intake. First time it took 3 days but this time it has taken 4 days and I'm still getting worse. I should mention that I in both cases were drinking quite a lot of alcohol same day as c60-oo intake. Also I spend several hours in the sun

This is not the first report of flu-like symptoms that we've seen. Could you tell us the source and grade of the C60 that you used? In addition to what smithx mentioned above, what was the ratio of C60 to olive oil you used? 0.8g C60 per liter of oil? Have you ever consumed the same quantity of the olive oil you used without C60 in it?

The c60 was obtained from sesres (>99.95% pure, vacuum owen dried). The olive oil was Tunesian, Les Moulins Mahjoub Organic Extra Virgin Olive Oil from 2011 harvest.
I have have access to a well equipped lap and followed the procedure outlined in the Baati article closely (regarding preparation methods/stages, times, conditions etc). The final concentration is 0.8 g/L)

I have had a good night sleep and feel much better now although I still have a slight headache. Im considering taken one more dose next week to find out if my sickness is in fact caused by the c60-oo. If so it might not necessarily be a bad thing - it could be a detox effect. I"m properbly pretty "contaminated"

Edited by HHM, 21 August 2012 - 02:13 PM.

[Turnbuckle]

If so it might not necessarily be a bad thing - it could be a detox effect. I"m properbly pretty "contaminated"

This detox idea might be one of the most dangerous supplement memes ever to get loose.

[Turnbuckle]

A little warning. I have taken two doses (2x20ml) of homemade c60-oo solution made exactly acc Baati et al. In both cases I developed flu-like symptoms incl fever 1 day after intake. First time it took 3 days but this time it has taken 4 days and I'm still getting worse. I should mention that I in both cases were drinking quite a lot of alcohol same day as c60-oo intake. Also I spend several hours in the sun

Have you ever taken any fluoroquinolones? Someone else wrote me about what they believed was an interaction between C60, sun exposure, and high doses of various fluoroquinolones he'd taken the year before.

[HHM]

No

[hav]

A little warning. I have taken two doses (2x20ml) of homemade c60-oo solution made exactly acc Baati et al. In both cases I developed flu-like symptoms incl fever 1 day after intake. First time it took 3 days but this time it has taken 4 days and I'm still getting worse. I should mention that I in both cases were drinking quite a lot of alcohol same day as c60-oo intake. Also I spend several hours in the sun

I wonder if perhaps your reaction to c60 is alcohol consumption specific. I've noticed that since I started taking c60 that it takes more alcohol to get any effect. For instance I started noticing no effect from an 8 oz glass of coke with a single shot of 80 proof Gosslings rum. So I switched to 151 proof for a mild effect. But its lesser than the effect I used to get from the 80 proof which is the usual for me. I assumed it was due to the olive oil coating my digestive tract or something. But I recently switched from daily c60/evoo to weekly. I'll check later tonight if the alcohol tolerance holds up even though I haven't had any c60/evoo in a few days.

Howard

[Aronte]

I'm diabetic (type 1) and i'm thinking that maybe the c60 could block the action of AGEs, i found this also:
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21163323
http://smarteconomy....tes-type-1.html
Giuseppe

[niner]

I'm diabetic (type 1) and i'm thinking that maybe the c60 could block the action of AGEs, i found this also:
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21163323
http://smarteconomy....tes-type-1.html
Giuseppe

These are links to papers that show significant protection against diabetes complications from very small amounts of hydrated fullerene. (4 mcg/kg in the first paper, injections of nanomolar solutions in the second) Diabetes is a pro-oxidative condition, so it isn't surprising that fullerenes are helpful. The fact that we are using 1000 times the dose or more is interesting. Do we really need doses as high as we're using? Hydrated fullerenes are water soluble, and C60-oo is lipid soluble, so the behavior in vivo should be different. It might be the case that hydrated fullerenes would be a useful addition to C60-oo, given the different body compartments that each would favor.

[Logic]

These are links to papers that show significant protection against diabetes complications from very small amounts of hydrated fullerene. (4 mcg/kg in the first paper, injections of nanomolar solutions in the second) Diabetes is a pro-oxidative condition, so it isn't surprising that fullerenes are helpful. The fact that we are using 1000 times the dose or more is interesting. Do we really need doses as high as we're using? Hydrated fullerenes are water soluble, and C60-oo is lipid soluble, so the behavior in vivo should be different. It might be the case that hydrated fullerenes would be a useful addition to C60-oo, given the different body compartments that each would favor.

69 Papers listed here:
http://www.longecity...post__p__523477

These are links to papers that show significant protection against diabetes complications from very small amounts of hydrated fullerene. (4 mcg/kg in the first paper, injections of nanomolar solutions in the second) Diabetes is a pro-oxidative condition, so it isn't surprising that fullerenes are helpful. The fact that we are using 1000 times the dose or more is interesting. Do we really need doses as high as we're using? Hydrated fullerenes are water soluble, and C60-oo is lipid soluble, so the behavior in vivo should be different. It might be the case that hydrated fullerenes would be a useful addition to C60-oo, given the different body compartments that each would favor.

69 Papers listed here:
http://www.longecity...post__p__523477

[Blink]

How do you guys store your C60 olive oil? I've been storing mine in the fridge and today I noticed that some kind of layer has formed on top of the oil. It will return to normal at room temperature but do you think I have to stir it more after storing it like that?

[Turnbuckle]

How do you guys store your C60 olive oil? I've been storing mine in the fridge and today I noticed that some kind of layer has formed on top of the oil. It will return to normal at room temperature but do you think I have to stir it more after storing it like that?

After a few weeks my containers get waxy deposits on top and on the sides. That's the higher melting point components freezing out. Just let it warm up for an hour, shake it gently, and put it back. I've frozen stuff completely and it turned almost white, then went back to its original color when thawed.