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[Hebbeh]

Scars can not clear up.

Citation?

[Turnbuckle]

What is you c60 source?

Im not sure about these reports of scars disappearing. I am not even sure how anything taken internally could change scar tissue into non scar tissue. Scars can not clear up. Pits could get plumped out but then you would be noticing the effects all over your body.

I experienced better and more solid sleep.

Not sure about the hair, I did get a little more itchy but had no noticeable new growth.

Scars can be treated with stem cells, which may be happening with C60. I have seen small scars a few years old shrink and almost disappear with C60, while older scars of any size did not.

4mg of C60 1 week per month (just completed my 3rd month)

Glucose 105
Glucose 88

Is that 4mg of C60 per day for a total of 28mg for the week/month...or a total of 4mg for the week/month?

And that is a dramatic lowering of blood sugar from 105 to 88 with no other interventions. I believe that I am the only other individual reporting effects on blood sugar...but in my case I tend to go from low normal to bordering on hypoglycemic at times. But I tend to eat lowish carb on less than half the calories you enjoy...

After many months on C60 (mostly once a week), I noticed that I didn't need as much cinnamon extract. Most days I don't need it at all.

Edited by Turnbuckle, 13 January 2013 - 11:39 PM.

[lafeate]

4mg of C60 1 week per month (just completed my 3rd month)

Glucose 105
Glucose 88

Is that 4mg of C60 per day for a total of 28mg for the week/month...or a total of 4mg for the week/month?

And that is a dramatic lowering of blood sugar from 105 to 88 with no other interventions. I believe that I am the only other individual reporting effects on blood sugar...but in my case I tend to go from low normal to bordering on hypoglycemic at times. But I tend to eat lowish carb on less than half the calories you enjoy...

28mg for the week/month.

@lafeate, welcome to the forum. FWIW I had acid reflux too, which is 90% better now that I eliminated tomatoes. I had an unexpected sensitivity to them.

5000 calories a day? Are you gaining weight. If not, I have to wonder if you're not overtraining. In the long run that can undermine your health pretty drastically.

I'm taking about 16 mg C60 every two weeks. I've noticed some joint pain, but I don't know if I can attribute it to C60. I've found vitamin K2-MK4 to help (I take a dose that's larger than many on this forum at 10 mg/day).

I tend to hold steady at my current weight. I work out quite a bit each week and that tends to stave off the weight loss. I love to eat but also have some good muscle mass that tends to help keep the weight off. At some point I will have to slow down but as long as the scale and belt notches hold static I am happy. I am going to give the K-2 a try and see how that works. The pain is nothing major but is noticeable.

[lafeate]

What is you c60 source?

Im not sure about these reports of scars disappearing. I am not even sure how anything taken internally could change scar tissue into non scar tissue. Scars can not clear up. Pits could get plumped out but then you would be noticing the effects all over your body.

I experienced better and more solid sleep.

Not sure about the hair, I did get a little more itchy but had no noticeable new growth.

I now get my C60 from http://www.carbon60oliveoil.com/ but in the past bought from Vaughtner. I changed because shipping is a but less lengthy with http://www.carbon60oliveoil.com/ being California based.

As far as scars clearing up I can only tell you of my experiences and can't speak with any confidence about scar healing. I am just glad they are for the most part gone and can't say it was the C60 rather that it coincided with the treatments. I can't and I am sure most can't speak of anything with any certainty but I have some evidence and wanted to contribute to the group. I wish I had before and after pictures of the scars but I was not aware of what to track and thus can't provide that evidence. I am afraid I only thought far enough ahead to get blood work and even then I can't draw any conclusions as the doctor tells me that both sets had no significant differences.

[Hebbeh]

In respect to scars, I'm sure I'm not the only one that had childhood scars from the typical various childhood nasty cuts and scrapes that have lightened and faded over the years. But it required many decades...not months...so this is significant. I've noticed scars disappearing with time when recounting childhood war stories and then going to display the proof (scars) only to realize they are either no longer visible or hardly visible.

[sthira]

Regarding the drop in blood glucose -- were you formally tested in a doctor's office under similar conditions (eg, did you fast the night before & then test around the same time?). Or did you draw blood yourself and test it via a consumer meter?

[niner]

[list]
50mg of Trans-Resveratrol Daily (only on non-C60 days)

I have also notice that my hairline has headed South again after about 5 years of retreating North. When new hairs start they grow they are rather annoying because I have fine hair and it's hard enough to style without new hairs that are too short to manage. While it sounds like I am complaining I am very happy that I could possibly stave off hair loss for a while as most of the men in my family do not enjoy a full head of hair.

On the down side I have noticed joint pain during the weeks that I am taking C60. The pain stops the day after my dosing is complete and is not of an unmanageable nature so I have decided to ignore and proceed.

Welcome to Longecity, lafeate, thanks for all the information. Yours is the fourth report of actual regrowth of hair that I remember. We've also had several reports of hair "looking better" or "more full". No one expected those results, so there aren't any before pictures, but if you have a significant number of short new hairs, might it be possible to get a photo? (this could be tricky, so I'd understand if it didn't work out) The darkening of your hair that you mentioned is at least consistent with what's known about the cause of graying and possible mechanisms of c60. There's only been one other report in the c60 forum of a reduction in gray hair that I know of.

I had a thought about the joint pain- This is happening when you aren't taking resveratrol, and resveratrol can have some NSAID-like effects. You might try continuing the resveratrol the next time you are on a c60 cycle, to see if that reduces the pain. I can't think of any reason to stop resveratrol while using c60; I take a number of supplements and don't stop any of them when I dose c60. Alternatively, you could stop resveratrol when you're in the off-period of your c60 regimen, and see if you get any joint pain then.

[Turnbuckle]

• On the down side I have noticed joint pain during the weeks that I am taking C60. The pain stops the day after my dosing is complete and is not of an unmanageable nature so I have decided to ignore and proceed.

As for the joint pain, have you tried methionine (l-methionine and/or SAM-E)? I ask because I've been experimenting with using methionine to reduce (what I believe is) a demythlating effect of C60, at least in mtDNA. Methylating agents like SAM-E have been used for joint pain, and I myself have noticed less joint pain while using 200 mg SAM-E & 500 mg l-methionine--not that I had more to begin with. (I took this combination 3 times after 1.5 mg C60, spaced out 0, 3, and 6 hours.) As for the resveratrol, are you sure that it might not be the actual problem? See this thread. Joint pain with resveratrol is a big problem, and there are several threads on it.

Edited by Turnbuckle, 14 January 2013 - 03:44 AM.

[lafeate]

Regarding the drop in blood glucose -- were you formally tested in a doctor's office under similar conditions (eg, did you fast the night before & then test around the same time?). Or did you draw blood yourself and test it via a consumer meter?

Both of these test were fasting and reported to me directly from my Family Medical Doctor. Not only were both test fasting but both test were conducted during the first lab appointment available that day. I did my best to keep everything the same.

[mikey]

[list]
50mg of Trans-Resveratrol Daily (only on non-C60 days)

I have also notice that my hairline has headed South again after about 5 years of retreating North. When new hairs start they grow they are rather annoying because I have fine hair and it's hard enough to style without new hairs that are too short to manage. While it sounds like I am complaining I am very happy that I could possibly stave off hair loss for a while as most of the men in my family do not enjoy a full head of hair.

On the down side I have noticed joint pain during the weeks that I am taking C60. The pain stops the day after my dosing is complete and is not of an unmanageable nature so I have decided to ignore and proceed.

Welcome to Longecity, lafeate, thanks for all the information. Yours is the fourth report of actual regrowth of hair that I remember. We've also had several reports of hair "looking better" or "more full". No one expected those results, so there aren't any before pictures, but if you have a significant number of short new hairs, might it be possible to get a photo? (this could be tricky, so I'd understand if it didn't work out) The darkening of your hair that you mentioned is at least consistent with what's known about the cause of graying and possible mechanisms of c60. There's only been one other report in the c60 forum of a reduction in gray hair that I know of.

I had a thought about the joint pain- This is happening when you aren't taking resveratrol, and resveratrol can have some NSAID-like effects. You might try continuing the resveratrol the next time you are on a c60 cycle, to see if that reduces the pain. I can't think of any reason to stop resveratrol while using c60; I take a number of supplements and don't stop any of them when I dose c60. Alternatively, you could stop resveratrol when you're in the off-period of your c60 regimen, and see if you get any joint pain then.

To reduce pain you might take higher dose vitamin D, but be sure to check your vitamin D blood level, with a blood test called "OH-vitamin D."

Interesting data show that having adequate vitamin D can reduce aches and pains.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/12544936
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/16430783
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10789615
http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/1872673
Vitamin D – A Neglected ‘Analgesic’ for Chronic Musculoskeletal Pain

Most of the vitamin D scientists recommend 5,000 IU/day as a starting amount for adults. One anti-aging doctor I know finds that most of his patients that are over 40 years old need 5,000 IU/day to get their blood levels above 40 ng/mL. As we get older we don't convert it into its active form in the blood stream as efficiently and need higher doses than younger people.

Whatever dose is chosen, they suggest taking the same dose and waiting two months for blood levels to stabilize and then getting an OH-vitamin D blood test.

Most of them consider 50 ng/mL to be an optimal level, although some go higher. There is a study (I don't have at hand) that showed that 1 out of twenty people may experience hypercalcemia at 70 ng/mL, because vitamin D improves calcium absorption tremendously at higher blood levels.

I found that 11,000 IU/day raised my OH-vitamin D to 63 ng/mL, so I've lowered it to 7,500 IU/day because I'd prefer my blood level to be around 50 ng/mL. I'll be re-testing in two weeks to check it.

Your doctor can check it or you can order the test online for $65 at https://vitamindcouncil.zrtlab.com/

[Kevnzworld]

I check my blood sugar often, both fasting and post prandial. There are so many factors that influence these numbers, so I've become accustomed to fluctuations. One can take three simultaneous tests and get varying readings.
I haven't noticed any difference in my results since beginning C60 OO , and I'm in my third month. I don't know how C60 would inhance insulin sensitivity ...

[Hebbeh]

I check my blood sugar often, both fasting and post prandial. There are so many factors that influence these numbers, so I've become accustomed to fluctuations. One can take three simultaneous tests and get varying readings.
I haven't noticed any difference in my results since beginning C60 OO , and I'm in my third month. I don't know how C60 would inhance insulin sensitivity ...

It should be common knowledge that mitochondrial dysfunction has everything to do with insulin resistance and sensitivity....what do you think is the cause of insulin resistance?

A little googling will bring up 1000's of related papers....a small sampling....

http://circres.ahajo.../4/401.abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22742515
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20347174

And your lack of improvement could be due to many possibilities....poor genetics? Poor diet...too many carbs? Lack of exercise? The list goes on.

And I can say that when I used to home test my fasted BG prior C60, it never deviated more than a few points....and I have done repeat tests in the past and they always came up the same....perhaps you need to purchase a new meter or strips?

[Kevnzworld]

I check my blood sugar often, both fasting and post prandial. There are so many factors that influence these numbers, so I've become accustomed to fluctuations. One can take three simultaneous tests and get varying readings.
I haven't noticed any difference in my results since beginning C60 OO , and I'm in my third month. I don't know how C60 would inhance insulin sensitivity ...

It should be common knowledge that mitochondrial dysfunction has everything to do with insulin resistance and sensitivity....what do you think is the cause of insulin resistance

A little googling will bring up 1000's of related papers....a small sampling....

http://circres.ahajo.../4/401.abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22742515
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20347174

And your lack of improvement could be due to many possibilities....poor genetics? Poor diet...too many carbs? Lack of exercise? The list goes on.

And I can say that when I used to home test my fasted BG prior C60, it never deviated more than
a few points....and I have done repeat tests in the past and they always came up the same....perhaps you need to purchase a new meter or strips?

I never said that I had a blood sugar issue or insulin resistance. My fasting blood sugar fluctuates between 84-88. I would prefer that it was < 80.. I eat well and exercise regularly. I mentioned in other posts that I also take Metformin,
I use the freestyle lite meter and strips.
I think that there are many things that contribute to insulin resistance, mitochondrial dysfunction may be one. Chromium ,magnesium, hormone ( testosterone)or PUFA deficiency can contribute as well as the others that you mentioned above. ( exercise, diet )
If I noticed a change in my BG measurements I would be more than happy to report it, I just haven't as of yet.
I read all the C60 posts about hair growth, scar diminishment ,and now better insulin sensitivity ,so i remain hopeful that maybe some of these reports are more than just anecdotal coincidence .
I will continue to take C 60.

[Freebytes]

Project Overview

This process is an attempt to examine the efficacy of C60oo in vivo on skin conditions based on appearance and subjective characteristics such as mood, energy, and memory. This evaluation covers only the experiences of a single individual and additional testing will need to be done before any conclusions can be drawn.

Subject Information Prior to Protocol Implementation

Pictures were taken on November 5, 2012 of the forehead and minor skin lesions located in the following areas: on the back of the neck; on the chest near the clavical and manubrium; on the belly; and on the back near the pelvic bone. The forehead had minor wrinkles and the hairline was revealed to check for changes in hair growth at a later time. These images were saved for later comparison.

As of November 5, 2012, the subject weighed approximately 73kg. On December 9, 2012, before starting the regimen, another weighing showed the subject at approximately 72kg. Pictures were also taken at this time.

Procedure

Accurate measurements of 30mg of 99.5% purity Carbon-60 fullerene from SES Research was dissolved in 30ml of Crisco brand imported extra virgin olive oil and stored in a sealed vial. The solution was shaken intermittently by manual means over the course of a month, beginning November 9, 2012 and ending December 8, 2012. It remained in the dark during that time, excluding minor examinations. Only one batch was created at this time. On December 8, 2012, the solution was mixed with an additional 30ml of the same olive oil, shaken lightly, and split into two seperate 30ml vials. These vials were left to sit in the dark until the next day.

After preparation, 5ml of this C60oo solution (~.5mg/ml) was taken orally twice a week (Sundays and Wednesdays) from December 9, 2012 until Wednesday, January 9, 2013. This was always taken some time in the afternoon. This was taken at least 3 hours after a meal, but it was accompanied by a small amount of food to mask the taste, usually saltine crackers but sometimes bread. A carbonated beverage was usually consumed within 30 minutes of taking the C60oo.

No significant changes to diet happened during this time. No exercise was performed at all during the treatment period.

Subjective Evaluation of Unplanned Events

December 12: About an hour after taking the solution, I felt nauseated. Both of my feet fell asleep about 4 hours after my treatment, and this tingling sensation subsided within 5 minutes after standing up and walking around. It was likely not related to the treatment.

Weight and Skin Condition Examination

December 12: No noticeable changes in skin condition. Weight is about 70kg.

December 19: No noticeable changes in skin condition. Weight is about 70kg.

December 30: No noticeable changes in skin condition. Weight is about 71kg.

January 9: No noticeable changes in skin condition. Weight is about 71kg.

Conclusion

Short term usage for one month at the dosage specified showed no changes in any skin abrasions, wrinkles, or scars. The sizes, shapes, and colors of all abrasions appeared unchanged. In this particular subject, short term usage did not have any noticeable effect on the appearance or condition of the skin abrasions mentioned.

[niner]

Thanks Freebytes. What was the nature of the skin lesions? Anything with an inflammatory component? I've had eczema on my hands for the past ten years that I've never been able to get rid of. When I started c60-oo, the eczema was a little worse than usual. Today it is completely gone, at least at the moment, despite the fact that I've used very little steroid lately. This is the best it's been in ten years, other than when I was on oral prednisone for other reasons, which knocks it out quite effectively, but it has always returned when I stopped the prednisone.

[Freebytes]

The skin abrasions were 'moles'. I did not want to use the term 'moles' to describe them because in this case, I am using the term in the general sense. They are slightly raised skin lesions, not objects specifically classified as moles. The scars are from gall bladder removal surgery several years ago. It was laproscopic, so the scars are tiny. I did not expect any changes in such a short time frame or for these particular flaws anyway. If there was a change in such a short time frame, though, I wanted to clearly documented. The results were as expected: no change. I did, however, expect subjective changes such as mood, energy level, etc., but there was nothing.

Someone mentioned that the changes they noticed in people only seemed to be related to people that were active. I have been completely inactive for the duration of the treatment. (We are talking about really inactive, such as sitting 14 hours a day.) I am going to get back into exercising as soon as the weather gets warmer, though.

[petitemort]

Hi does anyone know if taking C600 oo wihle under 50mg MB/day can be armfull regarding to that kind of studies?:

http://discover.tude...022&language=en

http://www.sciencedi...926337309000022

http://144.206.159.1...1894/733806.pdf


https://www.google.f...j2KmhZOq6rl03lg

[niner]

Hi does anyone know if taking C600 oo wihle under 50mg MB/day can be armfull regarding to that kind of studies?:

http://discover.tude...022&language=en
http://www.sciencedi...926337309000022
http://144.206.159.1...1894/733806.pdf
https://www.google.f...j2KmhZOq6rl03lg

I don't see a problem. The first two studies are electrochemical, using an applied voltage with C60 as part of the electrode surface. This isn't going to be relevant to the c60-oo and MB in the body.

The third paper involves MB adsorbing onto c60 particles. This wouldn't be relevant to a soluble c60 compound such as c60-oo, and it doesn't look like anything bad happened when it adsorbed onto the particles anyway.

The fourth paper is a heterogeneous catalysis system with a lot of other stuff in it besides c60. I don't see a problem with it, given how wildly different it is from c60-oo/MB in a biological system.

Have you started the combination of c60-oo and MB yet? If so, what are your experiences with it? At 50mg/day, you are one of only a few people here who are taking enough MB to see a mitochondrial effect. (You do mean milligrams, and not micrograms, right?)

[petitemort]

Hello niner thanks for answering so fast. Now that Ihave read more carfully those studies I understand much better what it is about and as you do don't see anything to worry about.
Then yes i do tak in fact about 60 miligrams MB a day : 3 times 20mg.

I've been doing that for the last 4 months and have noticed a reall improuvement of my strengh.

For exemple a do exercise 3 times a week and i've doubled number of repetitions since i take MB.
Also I've tried with and without for exemple the next day( witout MB) I am much weacker.

It kind of looks like piracetam but a little bit more effective in term of strengh improvement but not in term of well being and mental clarity.

First time I used MB was in 2009 for I think 3/4 months . The scale i had was not precise enough so i can't tel exactlly how much i used to take on a dally basis but I think i started at about 150mg/day and the last three weeks before I stopped i used to take about 350 mg/day.

I knew about TAU proteines' inibition but I did used it as a MAOI-A inibitor to fight light depression.
It has been really effective that way but as serotonin plasmatic concentration was rising my short term memory was decreasing. Then few days before stopping i felt very very tired, I was falling of sleep at work. It was really hard and I guessed It was because of MB so I stopped taking it. It took me 3 weeks to recover.

Then about C60oo I've been taking it for a month( 1.5mg/day divided in two intakes,) i put it in nasal cavity with my tongue that's kechari mudra ;-) and stopped 3 days ago . I was taking MB 60mg/day in the same time. The first week I have noticed pain in my joints especially a ankle that i got twisted 5 years ago then it desapeard. I haven't notice any nootropic effect and no increase in my strengh like it has already been improuved by MB intake I guess.

I don't really want to stop MB to see what C60 oo does alone because I really feel It is good for me. And I love the Atréids'(people from Arakis in Dune de Frank Herbert') eyes it gives = white of the eyes being slightly blue.


Many thanks guys for your activity on this forum it makes it very instructive
Please forgive my bad english

Edited by petitemort, 26 January 2013 - 07:47 PM.

[anagram]

I left a bottle of astaxanthin + virgin oo + c60 in a bottle for a few weeks decided a few days ago to try some of it. Basically, some sort of chemical reaction took place because the olive oil did not immediately give me the characteristic burn in my throat, but I got the feeling several minutes later in my entire body.
astaxanthin + c60 makes me spaz out as well, I cannot sit down for more than a few minutes, but I am not at all uncomfortable or feel like I have brain damage, which would be causes for such behavior. however, despite the negative side effect of getting up every five minutes, the next day I feel like I have been taking LDN, I get clarity and endorphin type feelings!
I dumped out that batch because I fear something went terribly wrong, and will be testing for effects once more when my c60 powder arrives.

Also, I would like to add that c60 will precipitate out of solution if left in the cold, which suggests that abducts may not form readily and are not common in .8/ml c60-oo. I suspect that the amount of phenols in the olive oil is the deciding factor in c60's effects, diluting c60 with even more olive oil will introduce more phenols which is why a diluted dose seems to be "better". I take c60 that is diluted .05mg/500ml of olive oil, and I can say that it seems to give me better effects than .8mg/ml c60.
dilution = more phenols = better effects.



-peace

Edited by anagram, 29 January 2013 - 04:39 PM.

[free10]

I left a bottle of astaxanthin + virgin oo + c60 in a bottle for a few weeks decided a few days ago to try some of it. Basically, some sort of chemical reaction took place because the olive oil did not immediately give me the characteristic burn in my throat, but I got the feeling several minutes later in my entire body.
astaxanthin + c60 makes me spaz out as well, I cannot sit down for more than a few minutes, but I am not at all uncomfortable or feel like I have brain damage, which would be causes for such behavior. however, despite the negative side effect of getting up every five minutes, the next day I feel like I have been taking LDN, I get clarity and endorphin type feelings!
I dumped out that batch because I fear something went terribly wrong, and will be testing for effects once more when my c60 powder arrives.

Also, I would like to add that c60 will precipitate out of solution if left in the cold, which suggests that abducts may not form readily and are not common in .8/ml c60-oo. I suspect that the amount of phenols in the olive oil is the deciding factor in c60's effects, diluting c60 with even more olive oil will introduce more phenols which is why a diluted dose seems to be "better". I take c60 that is diluted .05mg/500ml of olive oil, and I can say that it seems to give me better effects than .8mg/ml c60.
dilution = more phenols = better effects.



-peace

That actually sounds great, if it can be replicated by someone else. The mixture amounts could probably be adjusted to suit desires. The getting up every 5 minutes sounds like me when I am bursting with natural energy and feeling really good. The extra exercise would do most people good

Now how much astaxanthin did you put into how much of the oil mixture.

It is a little surprising at least to me the freezing makes it drop out some. I would have thought it would drive more oil into the buckyballs if anything, but that just how I visualized it though things don't always happen as we might expect they would. Live and learn and thanks for your report.

[hav]

I tried freezing a small amount of c60/oo and did not see any c60 drop out of solution or even any separation of the solution into any layers. I tried it with about 30 ml of a .8mg/ml mix that had been magnetically stirred for 2 weeks and then filtered. Put it in a little cough-sirup cup, popped it into the freezer, and all I got was what looked like a greasy Italian-ice. Thinking of retrying with a larger amount, like 16 ounces or so, and placing it into the fridge for a few days before moving it to the freezer to see if it makes any difference.

Howard

[free10]

I tried freezing a small amount of c60/oo and did not see any c60 drop out of solution or even any separation of the solution into any layers. I tried it with about 30 ml of a .8mg/ml mix that had been magnetically stirred for 2 weeks and then filtered. Put it in a little cough-sirup cup, popped it into the freezer, and all I got was what looked like a greasy Italian-ice. Thinking of retrying with a larger amount, like 16 ounces or so, and placing it into the fridge for a few days before moving it to the freezer to see if it makes any difference.

Howard

OK, thanks for the report Howard. I had thought in the past, to keep the mix fresh it might be a good idea to maybe put it in ice cube trays and take out cubes as needed. Just an idea.

[Mind]

A little over 6 months since Baati et al was published. I was wondering if the community should summarize what we have done so far, and release a non-scientific white paper around the year anniversary of the publication (May or June). We have cats, dogs, rats, mice, chickens, and humans all testing the stuff in real time. Seems we might be able to say with confidence that short term toxicity is unlikely (no one died yet, right?). Not sure what else we can say, but summarizing self-reported effects and negative side effects might be helpful for a wider community.

Edited by Mind, 29 January 2013 - 09:46 PM.

[anagram]

That actually sounds great, if it can be replicated by someone else. The mixture amounts could probably be adjusted to suit desires. The getting up every 5 minutes sounds like me when I am bursting with natural energy and feeling really good. The extra exercise would do most people good

Now how much astaxanthin did you put into how much of the oil mixture.

It is a little surprising at least to me the freezing makes it drop out some. I would have thought it would drive more oil into the buckyballs if anything, but that just how I visualized it though things don't always happen as we might expect they would. Live and learn and thanks for your report.

I put 5mg capsule of astaxanthin into about 20ml of fluid. Then I waited for awhile, and came back to it this Saturday. Took a swig and kept it under my tongue until about 3 minutes later I began to feel very strange and jumpy. I want to do it again, but I don't know much about safety0_0. however I definitely feel more energy and stamina since I dosed the c60 + astaxanthin.

To explain what I meant about c60 coming out of solution, It happened like this, I put the bottle of c60-oo(no astaxanthin) into the freezer. 40 minutes later I come back and it has turned from ruby red to purple, like the image for c60-oo on wiki shows. I don't know much about physics or chemistry, but I think that depending on the concentration of a solute in a solvent, you get different colours sometimes.
so, I assumed that pristine c60 had come out of the olive oil solution. I mean, If somehow freezing the c60-oo caused abducts to break or some sort of chemical reaction caused by lowering the temp, then I think that would be pretty unlikely. Then again, c60 is pretty weird compound with some strange behaviors and properties, who knows?

Edited by anagram, 29 January 2013 - 09:31 PM.

[petitemort]

Hi Anagram do you cook your own olive oil with C60 .

If yes I would like to know the all process to make mine at home. And if you know a good source of reliable c60 99,95 that would not cost me a kidney that would be much appriciated

The last two days i took 7mg/day and expirienced anxiolitic effects rise of mood and strengh clear mind.
As i realise It should be usefull to take large amounts I need to make the stuff much cheaper and hope people will help me with their experiences

Cheers

Edited by petitemort, 29 January 2013 - 11:31 PM.

[anagram]

I just put the SES powder of mixed c60,c70 into a bottle of Extra virgin olive oil. I then Shake and let sit for at least 1-2 weeks. At this point perhaps you can filter your c60. I don't do that even though there is a risk of c60 aggregates, but leaving your c60 in olive oil (1-2 weeks) will disperse those well.
In terms of dosing, a smaller dose appears to be better at scavenging free radicals due to a non stoichiometric reaction, I take a very small dose throughout the day, around 1mg a day.
occasionally I will add lipid soluble antioxidants to see if there are any effects.
to date those have been..
-Lycopene
-vitamine E
-Astaxanthin

[niner]

I left a bottle of astaxanthin + virgin oo + c60 in a bottle for a few weeks decided a few days ago to try some of it. Basically, some sort of chemical reaction took place because the olive oil did not immediately give me the characteristic burn in my throat, but I got the feeling several minutes later in my entire body.

How much astaxanthin, evoo, and c60? That would be important to know. The characteristic burn of good olive oil is from the polyphenols. How much of it did you take?

astaxanthin + c60 makes me spaz out as well, I cannot sit down for more than a few minutes, but I am not at all uncomfortable or feel like I have brain damage, which would be causes for such behavior. however, despite the negative side effect of getting up every five minutes, the next day I feel like I have been taking LDN, I get clarity and endorphin type feelings!
I dumped out that batch because I fear something went terribly wrong, and will be testing for effects once more when my c60 powder arrives.

So the next day you feel abnormally good? Is this just in comparison to the speedy feelings of the day before, or was it notably better than normal?

Also, I would like to add that c60 will precipitate out of solution if left in the cold, which suggests that abducts may not form readily and are not common in .8/ml c60-oo. I suspect that the amount of phenols in the olive oil is the deciding factor in c60's effects, diluting c60 with even more olive oil will introduce more phenols which is why a diluted dose seems to be "better". I take c60 that is diluted .05mg/500ml of olive oil, and I can say that it seems to give me better effects than .8mg/ml c60.
dilution = more phenols = better effects.

This sounds all wrong. We've had one report of a phase separation upon freezing, which is not the same as precipitation. Are you saying that you saw a solid precipitate that looked like c60? Black crystals? I don't think you can draw any conclusion about adduct formation from this. What's your evidence that the effects we see from c60 are really due to phenols? I don't believe that for a second. 0.05 mg/500ml is 100 nanograms per ml. That's starting to venture into the homeopathic realm. This suggests to me that whatever effects you're feeling are placebo effects.

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So the next day you feel abnormally good? Is this just in comparison to the speedy feelings of the day before, or was it notably better than normal?


This sounds all wrong. We've had one report of a phase separation upon freezing, which is not the same as precipitation. Are you saying that you saw a solid precipitate that looked like c60? Black crystals? I don't think you can draw any conclusion about adduct formation from this. What's your evidence that the effects we see from c60 are really due to phenols? I don't believe that for a second. 0.05 mg/500ml is 100 nanograms per ml. That's starting to venture into the homeopathic realm. This suggests to me that whatever effects you're feeling are placebo effects.


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The boast was not just in comparison, I got an immediate mood life from the combo the second I got about half a ml under my tongue. I lost a lot of stress and it was replaced by "feelings", though I maintained a clear mind.

I didn't see any crystals or any solid lumps, It did change from brown to purple in the freezer, and I should add that the olive oil was solid while it was in the freezer but quickly melted. I saw the purple liquid and thought SHIT!

I don't really know If phenols have anything to do with the effects, though based on the evidence that only olive oil will generate life extension, I assume it is possibly because its extremely high phenol content.
http://en.wikipedia..../Hydroxytyrosol
hydroxy tyrosol is one of the best antioxidants in the world, and guess what contains lots of it? Olive oil.
To further add evidence that c60 will do something with these phenols, I added c60 + oo + Asta to a bottle, and a week later, there was no Phenol throat burn!


I mega dose occasionally, however there are studies that suggest to use a very small amount of c60 rather than a large amount for antioxidant effect, some sort of weird reaction. look up superhydroxylated c60 or something along those lines, you might find the study. I don't want to over do the antioxidant effects because I feel you need some amount of ROS's every day to.

I will be getting back into high doses soon, but I think that starting at super high amounts in the 2mg-10mg range is not what a first timer should do. my reasoning behind this is that the SOD mimetic TEMPOL will cause a 90% reduction in Ferritin expression for 20h, but after 20h, cells are vulnerable to oxidative stress because of the displacement of iron. this is because Hydrogen peroxide will decrease the expression of Ferritin, and If c60 is an SOD mimetic, then taking a massive dose may actually cause damage after the c60 leaves your body like TEMPOL, by easing the body into it, you lower the risk of something going wrong.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10838158

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The boast was not just in comparison, I got an immediate mood life from the combo the second I got about half a ml under my tongue. I lost a lot of stress and it was replaced by "feelings", though I maintained a clear mind.

That's too fast for anything but a placebo response.

I didn't see any crystals or any solid lumps, It did change from brown to purple in the freezer, and I should add that the olive oil was solid while it was in the freezer but quickly melted. I saw the purple liquid and thought SHIT!

Purple is actually a normal color for a high concentration of the adduct. The word "precipitate" means that there's a solid that forms from a solution reaction. It sounds to me like there was nothing wrong with this batch.

I don't really know If phenols have anything to do with the effects, though based on the evidence that only olive oil will generate life extension, I assume it is possibly because its extremely high phenol content.
hydroxy tyrosol is one of the best antioxidants in the world, and guess what contains lots of it? Olive oil.
To further add evidence that c60 will do something with these phenols, I added c60 + oo + Asta to a bottle, and a week later, there was no Phenol throat burn!

I guess by "only olive oil will generate life extension" you mean that olive oil by itself showed some life extension in Baati. Yes, the olive oil phenolics are the likely active agent in that case, but there is no evidence that they are necessary for the c60-oo effect. You should get the same effect from c60 with any high-oleic oil. How do you know that the astaxanthin wasn't responsible for the change in the taste of the oil?

I mega dose occasionally, however there are studies that suggest to use a very small amount of c60 rather than a large amount for antioxidant effect, some sort of weird reaction. look up superhydroxylated c60 or something along those lines, you might find the study. I don't want to over do the antioxidant effects because I feel you need some amount of ROS's every day to.

I don't know of any evidence that large doses of c60-oo are harmful. Baati's rats got very large doses, compared to what most of us are using. However, I wouldn't recommend either megadosing or daily dosing. I use 15mg, once a month.

I will be getting back into high doses soon, but I think that starting at super high amounts in the 2mg-10mg range is not what a first timer should do. my reasoning behind this is that the SOD mimetic TEMPOL will cause a 90% reduction in Ferritin expression for 20h, but after 20h, cells are vulnerable to oxidative stress because of the displacement of iron. this is because Hydrogen peroxide will decrease the expression of Ferritin, and If c60 is an SOD mimetic, then taking a massive dose may actually cause damage after the c60 leaves your body like TEMPOL, by easing the body into it, you lower the risk of something going wrong.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/10838158

That paper doesn't say anything about H2O2 decreasing the expression of ferritin. It says TEMPOL reduces ferritin expression, but doesn't give a mechanism for that. Again, there's no evidence for harm from a large dose of c60-oo. The results from Baati suggest just the opposite.