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#2281 Marty D

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:23 PM

I also like the idea that Carbon 60 had an instrumental role in the original formation of life on the planet. niner has already dismissed the theory out of hand as the molecule is too small to interact in a fundamental way, which I know absolutely nothing about, but the idea, which was published in a reputable format, possibly found at Pub Med or try searching this thread, has a really a good feel to it. Primordial mud, lots of protein like molecules floating around, and a catalyst. Neat. And very easy to sell if anyone were so inclined. Seeding life in alien environments is a popular subject among imaginative theorists and Mr. Lazar could do worse since the theory is up in a government archive someplace.

Just a thought. It would be very easy to go off topic here. A quick glance at niner's explanation would easily cast enough doubt to require closer examination.

Unless unitednuclear is willing to post a more detailed explanation of their process I would hesitate to buy their olive oil and would certainly take their advice to avoid personally taking the supplement.

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fwiw, I've just about finished my first trial with c60oo. The science is totally worthless though. I caught a mean cold after the first couple of weeks and any observations were completly lost in the ensuing misery. It did seem like my endurance was up on the treadmill, actually my endurance was way up to be sure, but that too could be credited to the recent addition a couple of months ago of beta-alanine. Maybe a combination of the two? Oh well. First cold in over a year a least. Had to happen now of course.

Also, NAC had terrible effects. It gave me horrific brain fog and generated increasing anger and near rage. Possibly from uptake competition as I take a lot of supplements for brain health and cutting those off returns a state of early dementia. Tried two seperate times a week apart and the results were the same both times. Really awful. Unfortunate too, that would have been nice to have for COPD.

Edited by Marty D, 23 May 2013 - 04:28 PM.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:28 PM

I also like the idea that Carbon 60 had an instrumental role in the original formation of life on the planet. niner has already dismissed the theory out of hand as the molecule is too small to interact in a fundamental way, which I know absolutely nothing about, but the idea, which was published in a reputable format, possibly found at Pub Med or try searching this thread, has a really a good feel to it. Primordial mud, lots of protein like molecules floating around, and a catalyst. Neat.


I was thinking the same thing... Yet, we are only speculating.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 04:46 PM

Is there any reason that the kidneys would have a hard time filtering out c60? It seems like some of these reports are false positives. One drop? How would that do much of anything?


C60 is excreted in the bile, not by the kidneys.


The Baali study showed that no c60 accumulated in the kidneys nor was it passed that way. Is there some evidential data that suggests otherwise?


Actually, Baati did report very small amounts of c60 in kidney cells, but only after IP administration. Here's the report comment on the animals they sacrificed after a week of daily ip administration of a combination of c60 in olive oil and suspended in saline:

While transmission electron microscopy (TEM) at D8 after i.p. administration shows numerous spleen macrophages laden C60
crystals (Fig. 2e) only some C60 crystals were observed inside liver macrophages and very rare crystals in lung (Fig. 2f) and kidney cells
(Fig. 2g).


But, as Turnbuckle mentioned, this is the conclusion stated in the Baati study:

The elimination process follows a non-urinary route because unmodified C60 was not detected in urine samples taken up 48 h after administration. Previous investigations showed that C60 is mainly eliminated through the bile ducts [21] as it has been recently confirmed [25].


But my source check could not confirm their references... neither mentions bile ducts and [25] actually says this:

These results suggest that unmodified C(60) and/or C(60) metabolites by metabolic enzymes could be excreted into feces and/or urine.


Here's an interesting study focused on c60 transmission through the placenta of pregnant rats that received ip injections of tagged-c60 suspended in polyvinylpyrrolidone but mentions finding some c60 in urine:

Distribution of carbon-14 labeled C60 in the pregnant and in the lactating dam

Less that 4% of the dose was recovered in the maternal spleen, heart, brain, urine or feces. Metabolomics analysis of urine indicated that dams exposed to [(14)C]C60 had decreased metabolites derived from the Krebs cycle and increased metabolites derived from the urea cycle or glycolysis, as well as alterations in the levels of some sulfur-containing amino acids and purine/pyrimidine metabolites.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:38 PM

unitednuclear.com is owned by Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar is known for his claims to have seen alien spaceships at Area 51 while working there as a government employee. Even Stanton Friedman doubts his story and his credibitlity is highly in doubt. Wikipedia has a bio; https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Bob_Lazar

That is not to say his concepts aren't extremely cool, but taken with a grain of salt.

C60oo is graduated from cutting edge to conspiracy theory.


BOB LAZAR i burst out laughing when i saw the name, that says it all, you can't keep a good conspiracy theorist down lol,

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:45 PM

Also, NAC had terrible effects. It gave me horrific brain fog and generated increasing anger and near rage. Possibly from uptake competition as I take a lot of supplements for brain health and cutting those off returns a state of early dementia. Tried two seperate times a week apart and the results were the same both times. Really awful. Unfortunate too, that would have been nice to have for COPD.


I would think you only need to start NAC should you begin to get fatigued from loss of endogenous antioxidants.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 10:17 PM

The idea was mentioned in the C60 dosing and an epigenetic theory thread. But that isn't really why I wanted to give it a try. For what ever reason, loss of endogenous antioxidants or otherwise (you may be right), NAC is associated with relief from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Synergy from C60oo would have been extra credit. But the whole episode was rendered moot as NAC nearly imploded my head. Probably because other supplements were blocked and left ineffective.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 11:32 PM

The idea was mentioned in the C60 dosing and an epigenetic theory thread. But that isn't really why I wanted to give it a try. For what ever reason, loss of endogenous antioxidants or otherwise (you may be right), NAC is associated with relief from chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Synergy from C60oo would have been extra credit. But the whole episode was rendered moot as NAC nearly imploded my head. Probably because other supplements were blocked and left ineffective.


One thing that NAC is quite good at is helping to clear mucous. This quality along with its ability to replenish glutathione pools probably explain its use in COPD. To really get decent mucous clearing, you would probably want to nebulize it, but I imagine it helps at least a bit if taken orally. Marty, your head implosion/mood disruption from NAC is an odd result. The wiki page for N-acetylcysteine says that NAC has some use in psychiatry, and might act through the NMDA receptor.

I tried both NAC and acetyl glutathione to see how they would interact with c60-oo. I didn't have any obvious earthshaking results.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 11:42 PM

NAC is used to treat addictions and OCD
" N-acetylcysteine and glycine are found to be substances with a glutamatergic mechanism of action which are worthy of further clinical investigation in OCD treatment"
http://www.sciencedi...278584611000650
" N-acetylcysteine (NAC) is a readily available amino acid compound that is thought to attenuate glutamatergic neurotransmission. NAC may be useful in treating psychiatric disorders involving glutamatergic dysfunction such as OCD."
http://link.springer...0213-005-0246-6

I take 500 mg of NAC daily for glutathione replenishment given that I'm a wine drinker. I've never felt or experienced any reaction from it.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:05 AM

unitednuclear.com is owned by Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar is known for his claims to have seen alien spaceships at Area 51 while working there as a government employee. Even Stanton Friedman doubts his story and his credibitlity is highly in doubt. Wikipedia has a bio; https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Bob_Lazar

That is not to say his concepts aren't extremely cool, but taken with a grain of salt.

C60oo is graduated from cutting edge to conspiracy theory.


BOB LAZAR i burst out laughing when i saw the name, that says it all, you can't keep a good conspiracy theorist down lol,


I'd be careful, did you see what he manufactures and sells?
http://unitednuclear...products_id=534

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:15 AM

Am male just turned 23 and have no health issues what so ever. Am just looking forward to keep my health as long as possible by taking care of my "vehicle".
I don't believe that it has another cause since immediately after taking C60 I felt the change. Also I have to add that the longer you keep the oil in your mouth before swallowing the faster you feel that dizziness.
It may well have interacted with anything I take or in my diet but I doubt it. I have read somewhere that there was a company researching for fullerenes and stopped after finding out that it caused kidney damage. Even though some articles suggest beneficial effects.
I have also read from someone else that he had actually even worse symptoms than I did. He was claiming that he was urinating blood. Well am glad I stopped sooner rather than later.
I will post the link as soon as I find it again.
The C60 I was using was from a commercial supplier.

http://www.reddit.co...oil_whos_brave/

http://www.reddit.co...oil_whos_brave/
I read it. Under handsomeguy101 you will find some odd statements

"f you look it up a little bit on longecity, there are other reports of kidney problems, so its a general consensus. I don't really feel the need to "back it up" with any "reputable" studies because there really are none on humans in case that wasn't apparent."
" I think it has a history of causing kidney probs on longecity, but I don't really know if its a common thing, its just that the people on longecity came to the conclusion it causes kidney problems."
"the first second of taking c60 made me realize I made a huge mistake, when I felt my tongue numbing and then I couldn't think creatively at all for a few weeks after that. it was a complete nightmare, and the worst part is that I still sort of "feel it", its not good."
"I got a bottle of sarah c60, took a drop, my tongue began to feel numb, my head began to spin, felt sick. I haven't experienced any "good" side effects from c60 and may have severely damaged my kidneys(there was blood in my urine)."


Probably both of you are having some imaginary side effects and you should double check your sources because I don't think you have any reputable ones.

Edited by docTorpedo, 24 May 2013 - 11:29 AM.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:10 PM

One thing that NAC is quite good at is helping to clear mucous. This quality along with its ability to replenish glutathione pools probably explain its use in COPD. To really get decent mucous clearing, you would probably want to nebulize it, but I imagine it helps at least a bit if taken orally. Marty, your head implosion/mood disruption from NAC is an odd result. The wiki page for N-acetylcysteine says that NAC has some use in psychiatry, and might act through the NMDA receptor.

I tried both NAC and acetyl glutathione to see how they would interact with c60-oo. I didn't have any obvious earthshaking results.

Yes, no reason to think the brain fog wasn't an isolated incident. And there are probably other examples of uptake competition. The loss of conciousness felt similar to a time a few years ago when my mind was so bereft of clarity I was unable to recal keyboard strokes for software applications I'd been using for decades. That was before Acetyl Carnitine / ALA, and now many others.

I am increasingly certain that the vast majority of my problems stem from Immunodeficiency brought about by smoking as a teenager. Including arthritis, copd, and dementia. Maybe not mainstream theory but there has been research suggesting the possibility. Most of these problems are either resolved or diminished, at least temporarily, with the supplementation of Pregnenolone, DHEA, Vitamin D, and Melatonin hormones. Along with several other supplements (whey protein, fish oil, piracetam) to remedy the symptoms, results are pretty good these days.

NAC is used to treat addictions and OCD
" N-acetylcysteine and glycine are found to be substances with a glutamatergic mechanism of action which are worthy of further clinical investigation in OCD treatment"
http://www.sciencedi...278584611000650
" N-acetylcysteine (NAC) is a readily available amino acid compound that is thought to attenuate glutamatergic neurotransmission. NAC may be useful in treating psychiatric disorders involving glutamatergic dysfunction such as OCD."
http://link.springer...0213-005-0246-6

I take 500 mg of NAC daily for glutathione replenishment given that I'm a wine drinker. I've never felt or experienced any reaction from it.

Ok, that's going to need some more thought. Very interesting.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:10 PM

Under handsomeguy101 you will find some odd statements


He posts here under a different name, and seems to go in and out of psychosis. Many odd things have been claimed... I'm wondering if Andre69 might have read that reddit thread prior to feeling similar symptoms. Andre's initial post only talked about symptoms that might have been attributable to seasonal allergies, among other things. He's a young healthy guy, so he shouldn't "feel" anything from c60-oo.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:23 PM

Am male just turned 23 and have no health issues what so ever. Am just looking forward to keep my health as long as possible by taking care of my "vehicle".
I don't believe that it has another cause since immediately after taking C60 I felt the change. Also I have to add that the longer you keep the oil in your mouth before swallowing the faster you feel that dizziness.
It may well have interacted with anything I take or in my diet but I doubt it. I have read somewhere that there was a company researching for fullerenes and stopped after finding out that it caused kidney damage. Even though some articles suggest beneficial effects.
I have also read from someone else that he had actually even worse symptoms than I did. He was claiming that he was urinating blood. Well am glad I stopped sooner rather than later.
I will post the link as soon as I find it again.
The C60 I was using was from a commercial supplier.

http://www.reddit.co...oil_whos_brave/

http://www.reddit.co...oil_whos_brave/
I read it. Under handsomeguy101 you will find some odd statements

"f you look it up a little bit on longecity, there are other reports of kidney problems, so its a general consensus. I don't really feel the need to "back it up" with any "reputable" studies because there really are none on humans in case that wasn't apparent."
" I think it has a history of causing kidney probs on longecity, but I don't really know if its a common thing, its just that the people on longecity came to the conclusion it causes kidney problems."
"the first second of taking c60 made me realize I made a huge mistake, when I felt my tongue numbing and then I couldn't think creatively at all for a few weeks after that. it was a complete nightmare, and the worst part is that I still sort of "feel it", its not good."
"I got a bottle of sarah c60, took a drop, my tongue began to feel numb, my head began to spin, felt sick. I haven't experienced any "good" side effects from c60 and may have severely damaged my kidneys(there was blood in my urine)."


Probably both of you are having some imaginary side effects and you should double check your sources because I don't think you have any reputable ones.


I found this link after I have had my symptoms and was trying to find others who had similar effects. So I doubt it that my mind is playing a trick with me!
Also I can not explain the burst blood vessel in my eye. And that happened twice.

Its as if you are telling me that the feeling you get when you are drunk is all imaginary...well it could be that the whole universe is imagined but that goes into philosophy. That is not what we are looking for here.
This is a forum where people share their experiences and try to conclude from them.
Some are able to follow a more scientific approach to the experimentation but I personally don't have the time or the self discipline to do that.

There are no real valuable sources out there for human trial. We are the pioneers so to speak. I see all the positive effects that people claim about who are taking C60 and am really tempted to take it again but I have tried it twice and I did not like it.
Just after a week I felt I had enough of it.

Its not like I didn't hope for a positive effect. I did! But it seems that my placebo was not strong enough.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:00 PM

The burst blood vessel in the eye, or subconjunctival hemorrhage, sounds pretty scary. I copied the following text from the Mayo Clinic site. Andre, does this sound like what you had? A bright red spot on your eye that lasted 10 to 14 days? The second time it happened, was it in a different place? Were you sneezing or rubbing your eyes prior to the events? Your initial symptoms sounded like seasonal allergy symptoms, which can result in fairly major disturbances in your sensorium. This would also be consistent with red eyes, though probably not to an actual subconjunctival hemorrhage, absent any sneezing or eye rubbing, which would also be likely to be present with a generalized mucosal inflammation caused by allergens. This is just an explanation that I want to toss out there, since I can't think of any mechanism whereby c60-oo would cause a hemorrhage, and you are the only person out of a couple hundred who's reported this. The person who reports symptoms that are the closest to yours is suffering from psychosis, and posts a lot of things that are not fully connected to reality.

Mayo text follows:

A subconjunctival hemorrhage (sub-kon-junk-TIH-vul HEM-uh-rij) occurs when a tiny blood vessel breaks just underneath the clear surface of your eye (conjunctiva). You may not realize you have a subconjunctival hemorrhage until you look in the mirror and find the white part of your eye is bright red.
The conjunctiva can't absorb the blood very quickly, so the blood is trapped under this transparent surface. A subconjunctival hemorrhage may worry you, but it's usually a harmless condition that disappears within 10 to 14 days.
Subconjunctival hemorrhage often occurs without any obvious harm to your eye, or it may be the result of a strong sneeze or cough that caused a broken blood vessel. You don't need any specific treatment for a subconjunctival hemorrhage.

The most obvious sign of a subconjunctival hemorrhage is a bright red patch on the white (sclera) of the eye. Despite its bloody appearance, a subconjunctival hemorrhage should cause no change in your vision, no discharge from your eye and no pain. Your only discomfort may be a scratchy feeling on the surface of your eye.

The cause of subconjunctival hemorrhage is usually unknown. However, the following actions may be enough to cause a small blood vessel to rupture in your eye:
  • Violent coughing
  • Powerful sneezing
  • Heavy lifting
  • Vomiting
In some cases, subconjunctival hemorrhage may result from an eye injury, such as from:
  • Roughly rubbing your eye
  • Severe eye infection
  • Eye or eyelid surgery
Risk factors for subconjunctival hemorrhage include:
  • Diabetes or high blood pressure (hypertension)
  • Illnesses that causes severe coughing or sneezing
  • Certain blood-thinning medications, such as warfarin (Coumadin) and aspirin
  • Herbal supplements, such as ginkgo, that increase the potential for bleeding in the eye
Subconjunctival hemorrhage can also occur among newborns, who may be subjected to pressure changes during delivery.

Edited by niner, 24 May 2013 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:17 PM

A patient is talking to his doctor, holds up his arm and says, "Doctor, it hurts when I do this." The doctor replies, "Don't do that!"

I have an aversion to coffee. I bleed out my fanny if I drink it for a week and gives me acid reflux. When I'm acting in a relatively smart way I won't drink it. People have negative reactions to things they ingest all the time. It is reasonable to believe that in some cases people might have an adverse reaction to c60-oo. It is commonly known that olive oil has a cleansing effect on the kidneys so it is reasonable to believe people who are bleeding are actually passing a kidney stone. This is a well documented effect. So, it is more likely that bleeding in the urine has more to do with the olive oil and not the presence of fullerenes. High blood pressure can be a reasonable explanation for the burst blood vessel in the eye. Some have already reported a rise in blood pressure when on c60-oo. This would be contradictory to the known effects of olive oil so it could only be blamed on the fullerenes. Personally, I would wait for a month and try again to see if these symptoms persists. It may have nothing to do with the c60-oo at all. I see no need to raise the alarm with c60-oo. If you think that c60-oo posses a risk to you're health it is your responsibility to weigh that risk and determine to stay on it or get off. Taking it is self experimental so nobody is going to hold a gun to your head and make you take it.

If you take it and have undesirable side effects we all would like to know and we certainly don't want to downplay anyone's experience. We should keep track of negative effects people report and not just the desirable ones we wish to see. A person can be looney and still be reporting factual experiences.

Edited by solarfingers, 24 May 2013 - 02:35 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:38 PM

Yes that is exactly it. The first time it was a dot and the second time I tried C60 it was a very prominent thick blood vessel. That was after only one double dosage (3mg of C60) and then went to sleep because I was feeling dizzy.
Woke up 2 hrs later and I felt burning in the eyes elevated heart beat/blood pressure...in general I was feeling sick. Went infront of the mirror saw the blood vessel on the same eye that had the haemorrhage a week ago. (both eyes were red as if I smoked pot)

After the fisrt haemorrhage I stopped anything that had to do with blood thinning especially resveratrol because resveratrol not only inhibits platelets from clotting but it also decreases the production of platelets in the body.
Any other herbals containing saponins also "thin" the blood like green tea saw palmetto etc.
Everything was fine after that until I took C60 again. :S

Also the "kidney" pain is really something new to me which I can only link either with the antibiotics I was prescribed for 5 days or C60.

I wonder if C60 in evoo could change if exposed to sunlight or humidity and become "toxic". Because once I got it I forgot to put it in a dark cupboard for a few hours.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:05 PM

Went infront of the mirror saw the blood vessel on the same eye that had the haemorrhage a week ago. (both eyes were red as if I smoked pot)


A rise in blood pressure could explain the bulging of veins and ruptures. It sure sounds like you are having an allergic reaction. That would explain the red eye. An allergic reaction would also explain the dizzy feeling as well although there could be other reasons for this effect.

I wonder if C60 in evoo could change if exposed to sunlight or humidity and become "toxic". Because once I got it I forgot to put it in a dark cupboard for a few hours.


I wonder how one would know if their c60-oo had become toxic to exposure. Would the color change? I would think that you would have to put it in direct sunlight for it to become seriously toxic.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:34 PM

Yes that is exactly it. The first time it was a dot and the second time I tried C60 it was a very prominent thick blood vessel. That was after only one double dosage (3mg of C60) and then went to sleep because I was feeling dizzy.
Woke up 2 hrs later and I felt burning in the eyes elevated heart beat/blood pressure...in general I was feeling sick. Went infront of the mirror saw the blood vessel on the same eye that had the haemorrhage a week ago. (both eyes were red as if I smoked pot)

After the fisrt haemorrhage I stopped anything that had to do with blood thinning especially resveratrol because resveratrol not only inhibits platelets from clotting but it also decreases the production of platelets in the body.
Any other herbals containing saponins also "thin" the blood like green tea saw palmetto etc.
Everything was fine after that until I took C60 again. :S

Also the "kidney" pain is really something new to me which I can only link either with the antibiotics I was prescribed for 5 days or C60.

I wonder if C60 in evoo could change if exposed to sunlight or humidity and become "toxic". Because once I got it I forgot to put it in a dark cupboard for a few hours.

If you are convinced that all the problems you described are because of the C60 olive oil just throw this stuff to dumpster. If I were in your shoes I would certainly do that. However, knowing myself, I would probably give c60 olive oil one last try by either buying it from a different supplier or mixing it myself. Bottom line is - do not use anything which causes you health problems - it does not make any sense doing that!

Edited by zen, 24 May 2013 - 03:35 PM.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:19 PM

Am male just turned 23 and have no health issues what so ever. Am just looking forward to keep my health as long as possible by taking care of my "vehicle".
I don't believe that it has another cause since immediately after taking C60 I felt the change. Also I have to add that the longer you keep the oil in your mouth before swallowing the faster you feel that dizziness.
It may well have interacted with anything I take or in my diet but I doubt it. I have read somewhere that there was a company researching for fullerenes and stopped after finding out that it caused kidney damage. Even though some articles suggest beneficial effects.
I have also read from someone else that he had actually even worse symptoms than I did. He was claiming that he was urinating blood. Well am glad I stopped sooner rather than later.
I will post the link as soon as I find it again.
The C60 I was using was from a commercial supplier.

http://www.reddit.co...oil_whos_brave/

http://www.reddit.co...oil_whos_brave/
I read it. Under handsomeguy101 you will find some odd statements

"f you look it up a little bit on longecity, there are other reports of kidney problems, so its a general consensus. I don't really feel the need to "back it up" with any "reputable" studies because there really are none on humans in case that wasn't apparent."
" I think it has a history of causing kidney probs on longecity, but I don't really know if its a common thing, its just that the people on longecity came to the conclusion it causes kidney problems."
"the first second of taking c60 made me realize I made a huge mistake, when I felt my tongue numbing and then I couldn't think creatively at all for a few weeks after that. it was a complete nightmare, and the worst part is that I still sort of "feel it", its not good."
"I got a bottle of sarah c60, took a drop, my tongue began to feel numb, my head began to spin, felt sick. I haven't experienced any "good" side effects from c60 and may have severely damaged my kidneys(there was blood in my urine)."


Probably both of you are having some imaginary side effects and you should double check your sources because I don't think you have any reputable ones.


Either that or they cross contaminated it with LSD... ?

One thing that NAC is quite good at is helping to clear mucous. This quality along with its ability to replenish glutathione pools probably explain its use in COPD. To really get decent mucous clearing, you would probably want to nebulize it, but I imagine it helps at least a bit if taken orally. Marty, your head implosion/mood disruption from NAC is an odd result. The wiki page for N-acetylcysteine says that NAC has some use in psychiatry, and might act through the NMDA receptor.

I tried both NAC and acetyl glutathione to see how they would interact with c60-oo. I didn't have any obvious earthshaking results.

Yes, no reason to think the brain fog wasn't an isolated incident. And there are probably other examples of uptake competition. The loss of conciousness felt similar to a time a few years ago when my mind was so bereft of clarity I was unable to recal keyboard strokes for software applications I'd been using for decades. That was before Acetyl Carnitine / ALA, and now many others.

I am increasingly certain that the vast majority of my problems stem from Immunodeficiency brought about by smoking as a teenager. Including arthritis, copd, and dementia. Maybe not mainstream theory but there has been research suggesting the possibility. Most of these problems are either resolved or diminished, at least temporarily, with the supplementation of Pregnenolone, DHEA, Vitamin D, and Melatonin hormones. Along with several other supplements (whey protein, fish oil, piracetam) to remedy the symptoms, results are pretty good these days.

NAC is used to treat addictions and OCD
" N-acetylcysteine and glycine are found to be substances with a glutamatergic mechanism of action which are worthy of further clinical investigation in OCD treatment"
http://www.sciencedi...278584611000650
" N-acetylcysteine (NAC) is a readily available amino acid compound that is thought to attenuate glutamatergic neurotransmission. NAC may be useful in treating psychiatric disorders involving glutamatergic dysfunction such as OCD."
http://link.springer...0213-005-0246-6

I take 500 mg of NAC daily for glutathione replenishment given that I'm a wine drinker. I've never felt or experienced any reaction from it.

Ok, that's going to need some more thought. Very interesting.


Just curious, but how old are you? Are we talking about the possibility of getting this stuff years and years later or just like a decade or maybe two?

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:38 PM

Went infront of the mirror saw the blood vessel on the same eye that had the haemorrhage a week ago. (both eyes were red as if I smoked pot)


A rise in blood pressure could explain the bulging of veins and ruptures. It sure sounds like you are having an allergic reaction. That would explain the red eye. An allergic reaction would also explain the dizzy feeling as well although there could be other reasons for this effect.

I wonder if C60 in evoo could change if exposed to sunlight or humidity and become "toxic". Because once I got it I forgot to put it in a dark cupboard for a few hours.


I wonder how one would know if their c60-oo had become toxic to exposure. Would the color change? I would think that you would have to put it in direct sunlight for it to become seriously toxic.


Perhaps we could ask Sarah to expose some to sunlight and determine if there is an easy way to know if your C60 is still good or needs to replaced. I would mean moving a few more bottles and would be great PR. Can we think of any way to test it? I have some and I have some bottles I could put some in to test.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:48 PM

Perhaps we could ask Sarah to expose some to sunlight and determine if there is an easy way to know if your C60 is still good or needs to replaced. I would mean moving a few more bottles and would be great PR. Can we think of any way to test it? I have some and I have some bottles I could put some in to test.


It wouldn't take much to see if the color changed... Even a couple of drops would suffice a test. I'll give it a try when I get started.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:17 AM

Just how long does it take c60 to leave the human body. I read somewhere it was quoted 10 days. I read the Baati rat study and the longest it mentions is 97 hours ~ 4 days... Where did this 10 day figure come from?

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:03 AM

Just how long does it take c60 to leave the human body. I read somewhere it was quoted 10 days. I read the Baati rat study and the longest it mentions is 97 hours ~ 4 days... Where did this 10 day figure come from?


The 97 hour figure in Baati referred to clearance from the bloodstream, not the entire body.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:18 AM

Just how long does it take c60 to leave the human body. I read somewhere it was quoted 10 days. I read the Baati rat study and the longest it mentions is 97 hours ~ 4 days... Where did this 10 day figure come from?


The 97 hour figure in Baati referred to clearance from the bloodstream, not the entire body.

Howard


Thanks Howard,

The study says it takes hours to leave the organs... I don't know where I got the impression it was expelled from the body in 10 days, yet if it's out of the organs within hours and out of the bloodstream in about 4 days... still how long until it's completely out of the body? I thought I read Sarah stating how long it stayed within a cell. I'll have to see if I can dig that up.

Edited by solarfingers, 25 May 2013 - 06:31 AM.


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 11:27 AM

It is reasonable to believe that in some cases people might have an adverse reaction to c60-oo. It is commonly known that olive oil has a cleansing effect on the kidneys so it is reasonable to believe people who are bleeding are actually passing a kidney stone. This is a well documented effect. So, it is more likely that bleeding in the urine has more to do with the olive oil and not the presence of fullerenes. High blood pressure can be a reasonable explanation for the burst blood vessel in the eye. Some have already reported a rise in blood pressure when on c60-oo.


It's certainly reasonable to think that a person might have a genuine adverse reaction to any substance. The belief that olive oil aids in passing kidney stones is said by kidney stone experts to be a myth. The problem here is that the only person claiming to be "pissing blood" is psychotic. He sees things that aren't there. So far, I am not convinced that there has been a subconjunctival hemorrhage. Andre's case sounds to me like the condition commonly known as "bloodshot eyes". Rx = Visine. I have a very strong suspicion that any blood pressure rise discussed here has not actually been measured. Blood pressure usually can't be "felt". Some people may be excited or nervous because they are taking an exotic new substance that they've heard amazing things about, along with some scary stories on the internet. This might result in an increased bp, as might an allergic or atypical toxic reaction, which might be Andre's case.

If you take it and have undesirable side effects we all would like to know and we certainly don't want to downplay anyone's experience. We should keep track of negative effects people report and not just the desirable ones we wish to see. A person can be looney and still be reporting factual experiences.

I've been keeping track of negative effects of c60-oo for a long time now, and have spent a lot of time chasing down reports that turned out to be nothing. I'm going to have to disagree with you about reports from people who are psychotic. Seven years ago I had Legionnaire's disease, a usually lethal pneumonia which in my case was further complicated by a cytokine storm. A large percentage of people who spend a week in the ICU develop a condition known as ICU Psychosis, caused by disruption in sleep cycles and other things. I was in the ICU for a month, and toward the end I was batshit crazy. I was seeing and hearing things that simply weren't real, but they sure seemed real to me at the time. They were profoundly weird things, yet they were within the bounds of things that "could" happen. They didn't violate any laws of physics. Trust me, psychotic people are not reliable reporters. In my case, the day I got into a regular room that was quiet and didn't have the lights on 24 hours a day, my psychosis evaporated. I was, however, left with a new understanding of what it's like to be schizophrenic.

Yes that is exactly it. The first time it was a dot and the second time I tried C60 it was a very prominent thick blood vessel. That was after only one double dosage (3mg of C60) and then went to sleep because I was feeling dizzy.
Woke up 2 hrs later and I felt burning in the eyes elevated heart beat/blood pressure...in general I was feeling sick. Went infront of the mirror saw the blood vessel on the same eye that had the haemorrhage a week ago. (both eyes were red as if I smoked pot)

Also the "kidney" pain is really something new to me which I can only link either with the antibiotics I was prescribed for 5 days or C60.


How big was the dot, and how long did it last? A subconjunctival hemorrhage supposedly takes 10-14 days to clear. Is there anything there now that you could take a picture of? The second case really sounds like an allergic reaction. That's not to be dismissed, because allergic reactions can be very serious; I'd just like to get an accurate diagnosis. Antibiotics can mess up your gut and cause weird pains in your abdomen. In fact I just went through that myself a while back. Sounds like you had Zithromax, if it was a 5 day course. This has a very long half life, so it was actually in your system for closer to two weeks.

I wonder if C60 in evoo could change if exposed to sunlight or humidity and become "toxic". Because once I got it I forgot to put it in a dark cupboard for a few hours.


I really doubt this is a problem. For one thing, c60-oo is shipped in UV-resistant brown glass bottles. For another, the UV flux indoors is very low to begin with. Finally, a few hours is nothing, given the rest of it.

Just how long does it take c60 to leave the human body. I read somewhere it was quoted 10 days. I read the Baati rat study and the longest it mentions is 97 hours ~ 4 days... Where did this 10 day figure come from?


As Howard mentioned, there is a number for "leaving" the blood, where leaving means that the concentration has dropped below the limit of detection of the method they used, and then there is the question of how long it is resident in the membranes. One of the ways in which it leaves the blood is by partitioning into lipid membranes. It's active at very low concentrations, so unless sophisticated instrumentation is used, it might not even be detected despite still being above a minimally active membrane concentration.
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Posted 25 May 2013 - 11:37 AM

It is reasonable to believe that in some cases people might have an adverse reaction to c60-oo. It is commonly known that olive oil has a cleansing effect on the kidneys so it is reasonable to believe people who are bleeding are actually passing a kidney stone. This is a well documented effect. So, it is more likely that bleeding in the urine has more to do with the olive oil and not the presence of fullerenes. High blood pressure can be a reasonable explanation for the burst blood vessel in the eye. Some have already reported a rise in blood pressure when on c60-oo.


It's certainly reasonable to think that a person might have a genuine adverse reaction to any substance. The belief that olive oil aids in passing kidney stones is said by kidney stone experts to be a myth.


That page doesn't prove it's a myth. It only says that the writer isn't aware of any evidence.
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Posted 25 May 2013 - 01:58 PM

Well, don't I feel disassembled. :) All I'm saying is as far as discounting effects is concerned, that they should be at least noted and not categorically discounted because someone is a mess. There are so few people experimenting with c60 that ANY data at the front end should be considered valuable. The Pareto principle tells us that ~ 20% of the information we get will be bogus anyhow. Until the effects have been fully verified and we understand just what is really going on at the cellular level it would be prudent to have an open mind.

I'm not discounting that this fellow is psychotic and perhaps he is just throwing rubbish our way. His history of disruption is well noted. On the other hand if we find people who are having similar effects in the future it would be valuable to articulate that we have seen it before.

I know I picked up the 10 day elimination idea somewhere. I'm glad that's cleared up. I would hate to continue espousing wrong information.

Niner, I thought about combing the forums for noted side affects. Would you please share that data?

Thanks...

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 05:14 PM

I have concluded a writeup on the Baati rat study. It can be found on my blog site at http://livelog.weebl...-rat-study.html. Your feedback would be appreciated. I'm trying to condense as much understanding from it as possible without bogging the reader down with the science.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:38 PM

The belief that olive oil aids in passing kidney stones is said by kidney stone experts to be a myth.


That page doesn't prove it's a myth. It only says that the writer isn't aware of any evidence.


No, it doesn't prove it; nothing can prove a negative. However, I think the Urologist who wrote that article (Dr. Mike M. Nguyen, Associate Professor of Clinical Urology at USC) probably knows what works. if 1-3 ml of olive oil were able to cause a kidney stone to pass, I'd be damned impressed. How would you get enough of a non-water soluble lipid into the kidney to mobilize a stone? Are you sure someone isn't mixing this up with one of those "liver flush" or gallbladder cleanses?
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Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:59 PM

The belief that olive oil aids in passing kidney stones is said by kidney stone experts to be a myth.


That page doesn't prove it's a myth. It only says that the writer isn't aware of any evidence.


No, it doesn't prove it; nothing can prove a negative. However, I think the Urologist who wrote that article (Dr. Mike M. Nguyen, Associate Professor of Clinical Urology at USC) probably knows what works. if 1-3 ml of olive oil were able to cause a kidney stone to pass, I'd be damned impressed. How would you get enough of a non-water soluble lipid into the kidney to mobilize a stone? Are you sure someone isn't mixing this up with one of those "liver flush" or gallbladder cleanses?


It is very likely is a myth, and likely it's derived from the bile stone story as you say, which may also be a myth. And while I've seen many forum reports of people claiming to have benefited from the liver cleanse procedure, I've yet to see one for kidney stones. Which may be because I haven't looked very hard, still, it can't be that hard to get rid of them if just drinking water will work.

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