PRL-8-53; was: PRL 8-147: The Most Powerful Memory Enhancer?
#151
Posted 23 March 2013 - 09:22 AM
#152
Posted 23 March 2013 - 11:28 AM
even Dihexia would be better than this PLR 8 147 as it was shown to completly reverse cognitive impairment from scopolamine poisoning
plus those two compounds are very easy to synth so they theorically would cost less
the problem with racetams is that you need to take them continuously to keep their pro cognitive effects whereas with Dihexia or NSI 189 you only need to take them for a certain period of time and then when you stop their effects remain
Edited by hadora, 23 March 2013 - 11:38 AM.
#153
Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:04 PM
why not try to synthesize NSI-189 instead of this old and obscure racetam? it is a very safe neurogenic compound that is in the end of the Phase 1B trial and is already in preclinical trial for nootropic purpose, memory loss, cognitive impairment, alzheimer ...
even Dihexia would be better than this PLR 8 147 as it was shown to completly reverse cognitive impairment from scopolamine poisoning
plus those two compounds are very easy to synth so they theorically would cost less
the problem with racetams is that you need to take them continuously to keep their pro cognitive effects whereas with Dihexia or NSI 189 you only need to take them for a certain period of time and then when you stop their effects remain
PRL-8-53 is a racetam?
Edited by Megatrone, 23 March 2013 - 12:05 PM.
#154
Posted 23 March 2013 - 12:18 PM
Would anyone consider a group buy for dihexa as well?
I am interested.
#155
Posted 23 March 2013 - 04:17 PM
#156
Posted 23 March 2013 - 05:16 PM
Can we first get this compound and then go from there? Common. Dihexia and BDNF increading compound like 7,8-dihydroxyflavone are good for depression, there is little nootropic potential for ppl who aren't depressed.
Did you even read an article about Dihexia ? it has nothing to do with depression or BDNF, Dihexia increase hippocampal synaptogenesis not BDNF and NSI-189 stimulate neuuronal growth in the hippocampus
Edited by hadora, 23 March 2013 - 05:17 PM.
#157
Posted 23 March 2013 - 05:21 PM
why not try to synthesize NSI-189 instead of this old and obscure racetam? it is a very safe neurogenic compound that is in the end of the Phase 1B trial and is already in preclinical trial for nootropic purpose, memory loss, cognitive impairment, alzheimer ...
even Dihexia would be better than this PLR 8 147 as it was shown to completly reverse cognitive impairment from scopolamine poisoning
plus those two compounds are very easy to synth so they theorically would cost less
the problem with racetams is that you need to take them continuously to keep their pro cognitive effects whereas with Dihexia or NSI 189 you only need to take them for a certain period of time and then when you stop their effects remain
PRL-8-53 is a racetam?
my bad PRL 8 53 is not a racetam but my reasoning remain true when you stop taking it the benefit stop assuming there is one, which remain to be proven because if this drug was so powerful big pharma would have developed it to make big bucks
Edited by hadora, 23 March 2013 - 05:23 PM.
#158
Posted 23 March 2013 - 09:01 PM
why not try to synthesize NSI-189 instead of this old and obscure racetam? it is a very safe neurogenic compound that is in the end of the Phase 1B trial and is already in preclinical trial for nootropic purpose, memory loss, cognitive impairment, alzheimer ...
even Dihexia would be better than this PLR 8 147 as it was shown to completly reverse cognitive impairment from scopolamine poisoning
plus those two compounds are very easy to synth so they theorically would cost less
the problem with racetams is that you need to take them continuously to keep their pro cognitive effects whereas with Dihexia or NSI 189 you only need to take them for a certain period of time and then when you stop their effects remain
PRL-8-53 is a racetam?
my bad PRL 8 53 is not a racetam but my reasoning remain true when you stop taking it the benefit stop assuming there is one, which remain to be proven because if this drug was so powerful big pharma would have developed it to make big bucks
Even though one needs to be skeptical to experimental drugs, what you present is not in itself reason for abomination. Just take a look at naltrexone. Nobody wants to finance clinical trials, because the patent has run out, and it can be manufactured by everyone, so there's no profit. PRL-8-53 was invented in the 70s or 80s? No company who's looking to make profit would finance clinical trials for a drug that can be sold by every pharmaceutical company. Also, how can you be sure it has no permanent effectsP Where have you read this?
Should we speed this up and get things going? It would be great if I could get some time to test it before the exams period. I have other drugs to try if this one fails...
#159
Posted 23 March 2013 - 09:30 PM
Yes it does. Hippocampal synaptogenesis is facilitated by BDNF. I've read nothing about Dihexia and for example, LTP. However, a person with depression (lower BDNF levels) stands most to benefit from Dihexia. I haven't read anywhere that increasing BDNF levels drastically leads to enhanced LTP. If you have please let me know.Can we first get this compound and then go from there? Common. Dihexia and BDNF increading compound like 7,8-dihydroxyflavone are good for depression, there is little nootropic potential for ppl who aren't depressed.
Did you even read an article about Dihexia ? it has nothing to do with depression or BDNF, Dihexia increase hippocampal synaptogenesis not BDNF and NSI-189 stimulate neuuronal growth in the hippocampus
#160
Posted 23 March 2013 - 10:01 PM
Edited by redan, 23 March 2013 - 10:02 PM.
#161
Posted 23 March 2013 - 10:15 PM
For sake of time, lets just worry about the PRL. Its already going to be time consuming to get everything set up, tested, redistributed, personal trials. I like the idea of only trying one of these at a time and going from there. If we like it, we'll order some more. If not, then on to the next. Perhaps the Dihexa option would be better off as a new topic. Would surely spark some interest, and possibly provide further updates, information, and opinions\ideas as the project progresses. The Dihexa does sound rather interesting.
#162
Posted 23 March 2013 - 11:08 PM
Gonna see how are things going with Q. might have to take over things if this doesn't come through, unless someone else wants to...I agree with redan.
For sake of time, lets just worry about the PRL. Its already going to be time consuming to get everything set up, tested, redistributed, personal trials. I like the idea of only trying one of these at a time and going from there. If we like it, we'll order some more. If not, then on to the next. Perhaps the Dihexa option would be better off as a new topic. Would surely spark some interest, and possibly provide further updates, information, and opinions\ideas as the project progresses. The Dihexa does sound rather interesting.
Edited by redan, 23 March 2013 - 11:09 PM.
#163
Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:06 AM
Gonna see how are things going with Q. might have to take over things if this doesn't come through, unless someone else wants to...I agree with redan.
For sake of time, lets just worry about the PRL. Its already going to be time consuming to get everything set up, tested, redistributed, personal trials. I like the idea of only trying one of these at a time and going from there. If we like it, we'll order some more. If not, then on to the next. Perhaps the Dihexa option would be better off as a new topic. Would surely spark some interest, and possibly provide further updates, information, and opinions\ideas as the project progresses. The Dihexa does sound rather interesting.
A lot of rhyming in that post, lol.
Whether it's Dihexa, PLR8147 or this IDRA21 stuff, we need one of two things
1. More people experimenting and testing themselves ( with reaction tests, or learning tests or whatever the fuck) and doing daily logs of attitude changes and cognitive changes
2. Or we need to find a way to really make sure this shit is safe and dosed correctly.
I don't know what we can do with Option 2, but Option 1 seems like our best bet, but I don't have the courage to volunteer.
#164
Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:14 AM
Lol, didn;t even notice it. Yeah; but, Prl-8-53 has already been tested on humans. Seems like everyone has forgot that, and with significant positive results on cognition.Gonna see how are things going with Q. might have to take over things if this doesn't come through, unless someone else wants to...I agree with redan.
For sake of time, lets just worry about the PRL. Its already going to be time consuming to get everything set up, tested, redistributed, personal trials. I like the idea of only trying one of these at a time and going from there. If we like it, we'll order some more. If not, then on to the next. Perhaps the Dihexa option would be better off as a new topic. Would surely spark some interest, and possibly provide further updates, information, and opinions\ideas as the project progresses. The Dihexa does sound rather interesting.
A lot of rhyming in that post, lol.
Whether it's Dihexa, PLR8147 or this IDRA21 stuff, we need one of two things
1. More people experimenting and testing themselves ( with reaction tests, or learning tests or whatever the fuck) and doing daily logs of attitude changes and cognitive changes
2. Or we need to find a way to really make sure this shit is safe and dosed correctly.
I don't know what we can do with Option 2, but Option 1 seems like our best bet, but I don't have the courage to volunteer.
Oh and BTW, the compound's name is
PRL-8-53.
Edited by redan, 24 March 2013 - 12:13 AM.
#165
Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:14 AM
Lol, didn;t even notice it. Yeah; but, PLR-8-53 has already been tested on humans. Seems like everyone has forgot that, and with significant positive results on cognition.Gonna see how are things going with Q. might have to take over things if this doesn't come through, unless someone else wants to...I agree with redan.
For sake of time, lets just worry about the PRL. Its already going to be time consuming to get everything set up, tested, redistributed, personal trials. I like the idea of only trying one of these at a time and going from there. If we like it, we'll order some more. If not, then on to the next. Perhaps the Dihexa option would be better off as a new topic. Would surely spark some interest, and possibly provide further updates, information, and opinions\ideas as the project progresses. The Dihexa does sound rather interesting.
A lot of rhyming in that post, lol.
Whether it's Dihexa, PLR8147 or this IDRA21 stuff, we need one of two things
1. More people experimenting and testing themselves ( with reaction tests, or learning tests or whatever the fuck) and doing daily logs of attitude changes and cognitive changes
2. Or we need to find a way to really make sure this shit is safe and dosed correctly.
I don't know what we can do with Option 2, but Option 1 seems like our best bet, but I don't have the courage to volunteer.
What kind of benefits? I'm too lazy to sift through an anecdotal article, so can you elaborate what the test/results were?
#166
Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:46 AM
Which means that the compound has been tested on two sets of volunteers. 80% must be a noticeable difference, especially for verbal recall.Phi Delta Kappan - December 1979 - Vol 61 - pages 264-265
Learning and Memory Improvement Through Chemistry: Dream or Reality in the Offing?
by Nikolaus R. Hansl and Adele B. Hansl
The 'smart pill' may, at last, be only a testing period away. It is PRL-8-53.
The news story read: "A team of Creighton University health science researchs is working with an experimental drug that could be just what the `absent-minded professor' has been needing for years."
The story was based on a news release by the Federation of American Societies for Experimental Biology. Good credentials for sure, but what are the facts supporting such statements? How is it possible for a drug, a single chemical conpound, to have a positive effect on the function of the brain, which is such an an enormously complex system? What has been the clinical experience so far, and what can we learn from laboratory findings?
The last clinical report, a paper by Nikolaus Hansl, Adele B. Hansl, and Beverley T. Mead given in Portland at the meeting of the American Society for Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics, reported that retention of verbal information (nonsense syllables) improved by 80% for subjects who had taken PRL-8-53 when compared to the same subjects' learning when on a placebo. This confirmed an earlier report on the same drug, published in Experientia, reporting increased acquisition and retention in another group of volunteers.
Enhance the response to acetylcholine most likely means this compound is a positive allosteric modulater at acetylocholine receptors. Which further means that this compound does not lead to tolerance or downregulation of the choline receptors as it is not a full agonist.Intellectual function comprises many factors, and as we are learning now, individual distinctive functional characteristics such as perception, short-term memory, long-term memory, correlation, retrieval, to name but a few, appear to be chemically controlled by their specific agonist-receptor systems within the neuronal latticework. In other words, it seems to be possible to augment or suppress one or more of these specific capabilities by chemical means, i.e., by amplifying or inhibiting chemical signals in control of the respective neuronal pathways.
We do have evidence regarding the identity of some chemical correlates. Recall from "long-term memory," retrieval of information that has been accumulated over a period of time, seems mediated by acetylcholine and the cholinergic system. Inhibition of this system in the experimental animal by drugs such as atropine or scopolamine greatly impairs recall capacity or performance dependent on it. By the same token, a boost of the cholinergic system by a drug such as physostigmine improve recall-dependent performance.
Actually, this latter drug has been used with some success in humans in Alzheimer Disease, which involves severe pre-senile memory loss. The problems with physostigmine are toxicity and practicality. Aside from the fact that the positive effects with this drug were observed within a very narrow dose range (less having no effect at all and a slightly higher dose causing considerable side effects), physostigmine, in order to achieve the desired effect, had to be given by an intravenous drip infusion.
In contrast, the drug reported by us, PRL-8-53, has been shown to enhance the respose to acetylcholine, the response being quantititatively similar over a considerable dose range, excluding the likelihood of accidental overdosing. The compound may be taken orally, and it is active over a period of several hours. The drug is not a stimulant, andin the experimental animal toxicity appears only after it is given a dose more than one thousand times as large as the projected human dose. In summary, we now have a potentially useful drug that will boost a specific chemical system in the brain, the cholinergic system, and thereby improve our ability to recall, to retrieve information from a pre-existing information pool. Other important chemical effects have been attributed to this drug, but space does not permit us to cover the more detailed information here.
The study did not go into great detail to elucidate the mechanisms of action of this compound; but, it also affects noradrenaline in such a manner that it facilitation the conversion of short term memory into LTM's.Long-term memory, the type of information referred to above, is laid down in the brain in the form of a chemical code. In order to effect a synthesis of the informational molecules, we now believe it to be necessary to effect a transition from an earlier code, whic referred to as short-term memory. This transition, which is a chemical process, appears to depend on the mediation of another chemical system using noradrenaline as the chemical messenger. PRL-8-53 has been shown to augment responses to noradrenaline in the animal model both peripherally and centrally. Therefore, it seems reasonable to assume that a similar function may be present in humans. Translated into behavioral effects, it implies that this drug is also capable of facilitating the conversion of short-term to long-term memory, causing an increased storage of informational code. We now have a data base supporting the notion that we can modulate chemical systems in the brain, systems that are involved in or are mediating intellectual function. It further appears that we are able to affect these systems in such a way as to improve performance.
The bold text implies that this compound improves short term memory (think having more space on a chalk board to write your calculations on.)In one series of tests the subjects were asked to memorize simple words by listening to a tape recording. In another test slides with lists of words were projected for a given time, and again subjects were asked to memorize these lists. These two different tests enabled us to see whether learning was improved regardless of which one of the two most commonly used patheways of information input was used. We found that acquisition and subsequent retention improved following drug intake to a similar extent in both experiments.
Having establised that acquisition and retention of verbal information could be positively affected by the drug, we considered it important to look at nonverbal areas. We used the Benton test, exposing geometric patterns for brief periods to the subjects, then asking them to draw the figures as they remembered them. Again we found statistically significant improvement when subjects were on the drug.
To explore still another area, we deisgned a test to determine how number manipulation might be affected. Our subjects rand through a somewhat complex countdown maneuver. Subjects had to subtract seven from a given starting number, then add one, subtract seven and add tow, subtract seven and add three then subtract seven then add one, and so on until they reached the goal number. This was a timed test and again we found improvement, i.e., shorter test times when subjects had taken the drug.
That is pretty significant.In a final test we asked our subjects to complete words from dot-letter-dot-letter combinations (e.g., U.R.). Words could be extended on either side. The only requirements: The words must be in English (even slang), and the spelling for the letters replacing the dots must be correct (e.g., cUrRent). Here we tried to see how long the drug would affect recall from an existing information pool. The information retrieved in this test is also subject to a certain amount of intellectual manipulation. In effect, the test might be considered a verbal fluency test. Again we found statistically significant improvement when the subjects had taken the drug prior to testing.
Having established the spectrum of effectiveness in students, or at least a part of it, we wanted to learn how an older population subgroup would respond. A number of colleagues volunteered and took the verbal learning and retention test. This group as age 30 or older. As might be expected, rote memory did not come as easily to this group as it did to the younger students. The average retention after 24 hours when on placebo was just under three words out of a possible 12. The average retention after one week was two words. However, the same subjects, when learning subsequent to drug administration, retained an average of 5.85 words after 24 hours and 5.25 words after one week. Again the increases were statistically significant. The improvement expressed in percent of placebo performance was 108% for the 24 hour test and 152% for the one-week recal.
This is quite extraordinary. Comparable with the effects of C16 the PKR inhibitor. Look at this graph regarding retention of memorized material and how fast you forget it:
This compound for verbal memory would act as if you had reviewed any material you tried memorizing (for a test on econ or history and whatnot) 3-4 times without looking at the material. In other words it enhances your ability to memorize words and pictures and recall them, by decreasing the average slope of the "forgetfulness" curve.
Yet, there have been tests on humans that have shown significant increases in cognition also.The above tests all concerned the effects of PRL-8-53 on acquisition and memory. At this time we have only limited experience with drug effects on higher integrating functions of the brain, such as association and correlation. Moreover, our experience in this area is limted to animal responses. We designed experiments specifically aimed at measuring correlation, or what we conceive as possibly a rudimentary capacity of conceptual understanding. There was significantly improved performance after administration of the drug, but we do not know whether we shall find similar positive responses from humans. Even conservative extrapolations from experimental animals to humans are risky.
Wow, this is pretty profound.ANother area that has not been discussed is one of much concern: learning disabilities. With so many different causes underlying disabilities, no generalizations can be made. Where there is anatomical damage, the prognosis for benefits from PRL-8-53 would not be good. In the case of chemical aberrations as the only cause of a learning disability, any possible drug effect would depend on the nature of the aberration. Drug effects must be investigated for each type of disability; only experimentation will bring answers.
In summary, it appears that a number of important parameters of intellectual function are amenable to drug action. Improvement does not seem limited to the young; the older group actually experienced a greater relative improvement in the test. However, just as the extent of improvement varied from one group to another, so did the response from one individual to the next. This is to be expected. The drug seems to augment some weak link in the chain of events related to intellectual function. This link is weaker for some than for others. The individual net effect is not predictable and will vary. We certainly are not dealing with a compound that would act as a great equalizer. Although some people with quite different base levels of performance might end up in close proximity, others will still be apart in performance. The important thing is that, regardless of initial performance level, improvement can still be achieved.
Let's see for ourselves. :DFinally, let us emphasize that we are dealing with an experimental compound; much investigation will be necessary and many questions must be answered. So, while there is hope for the "absent minded professor" as well as for the student, both must wait until all regulatory requirements are met -- and we hope -- this or a related compound becomes available for use in the improvement of learning.
NIKOLAUS R. HANSL is a neuropharmacologist at Creighton University, Omaha, Nebr. He holds the Ph.D. from the University of Vienna. ADELE B. HANSL is his wife and research associate. The research reported here is based on a clinical report made by the Hansls and Beverley T. Mead at the August 1979 meeting of the American Society for Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics.
Edited by redan, 24 March 2013 - 12:50 AM.
#167
Posted 24 March 2013 - 03:04 AM
Thank you for taking the time to gather all this information and sum it up quite nicely.
#168
Posted 24 March 2013 - 08:05 AM
#169
Posted 24 March 2013 - 08:39 AM
Hi MrHappy. Q did it! proposed this idea earlier in the thread.Mod here, can someone give me a quick rundown on what you're wanting us to facilitate? Monetary stuff will have to go beyond us to board/secretary level discussion, but I'm considering jumping into this group-buy and own a company, so there may be other things that can be done.
Worth consideration if possible.Here is my my idea for a group buy of 100g of PRL-8-53.
The main problem with group buys is the collecting of the money necessary for it to happen. Which is why most group buys fail right at the start. Western Union has fees and so do bank wire transfers.
So, here me out, we could ask a moderator to set up a “donation program” in the donation tap of Longecity where participants of the group buy would send their money too. But too keep the logistics low we should have 20 maybe 40 participants in the group buy but for the sake of this post we will say 20 persons for now.
To make it worth Longevity’s worthwhile 5g will be $100. This will cover the cost of the PRL-8-53 plus shipping and then some. Recall $20(Initial gram)+$13x4g(additional grams)+$5(additional shipping cost)=$77. This means that $2000 would go into the “donation program”, when only about $1500 or less should be needed, and anything left would go to the community. Also it is worth mentioning that Longecity could, as a business, purchases PRL-8-53 and/or get ahold of suppliers that only deal with business. Plus we could have the supplier break the 100g into two packages sending one to the US and one the UK. Now this would not necessarily 50g and 50g per say; that is if 15 participants are in the UK than 75g would go there and the remaining 25g to the US. (This would help raise the odds of getting PRL-8-53. But we may choose a supplier in the UK or US which would be great). At the two location, US and UK, two participants would be responsible for weighing, repackaging and mailing out the samples. I would not mind having to be one of the two participants to repack and mail. Hate to put anyone on the spot like this, but I could message ScienceGuy and see if he would be willing to be the UK receiver. If anything he is already fallowing this tread seeing he did post in it a while back. Continuing, now money would have to be sent from the “donation program”, minus final cost of PRL-8-53, to the two receiver participants to repack and mail out the samples
Tell me what you guys think. It’s a bit sloppy but I hope it gets the point arose.
#170
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:04 AM
Hi MrHappy. Q did it! proposed this idea earlier in the thread.Mod here, can someone give me a quick rundown on what you're wanting us to facilitate? Monetary stuff will have to go beyond us to board/secretary level discussion, but I'm considering jumping into this group-buy and own a company, so there may be other things that can be done.
Worth consideration if possible.Here is my my idea for a group buy of 100g of PRL-8-53.
The main problem with group buys is the collecting of the money necessary for it to happen. Which is why most group buys fail right at the start. Western Union has fees and so do bank wire transfers.
So, here me out, we could ask a moderator to set up a “donation program” in the donation tap of Longecity where participants of the group buy would send their money too. But too keep the logistics low we should have 20 maybe 40 participants in the group buy but for the sake of this post we will say 20 persons for now.
To make it worth Longevity’s worthwhile 5g will be $100. This will cover the cost of the PRL-8-53 plus shipping and then some. Recall $20(Initial gram)+$13x4g(additional grams)+$5(additional shipping cost)=$77. This means that $2000 would go into the “donation program”, when only about $1500 or less should be needed, and anything left would go to the community. Also it is worth mentioning that Longecity could, as a business, purchases PRL-8-53 and/or get ahold of suppliers that only deal with business. Plus we could have the supplier break the 100g into two packages sending one to the US and one the UK. Now this would not necessarily 50g and 50g per say; that is if 15 participants are in the UK than 75g would go there and the remaining 25g to the US. (This would help raise the odds of getting PRL-8-53. But we may choose a supplier in the UK or US which would be great). At the two location, US and UK, two participants would be responsible for weighing, repackaging and mailing out the samples. I would not mind having to be one of the two participants to repack and mail. Hate to put anyone on the spot like this, but I could message ScienceGuy and see if he would be willing to be the UK receiver. If anything he is already fallowing this tread seeing he did post in it a while back. Continuing, now money would have to be sent from the “donation program”, minus final cost of PRL-8-53, to the two receiver participants to repack and mail out the samples
Tell me what you guys think. It’s a bit sloppy but I hope it gets the point arose.
I've started a discussion with management.
I think there is merit, but there are a number of issues to be considered, including risk management, legal liabilities and the potential for proper trial parameters to be established. It's possible that if they do agree to facilitate this, that it'll be a members-only process, but I'm only guessing.
I'll/they'll jump in here with updates, as things progress.
#171
Posted 24 March 2013 - 10:19 AM
Perhaps they got the numbers wrong.
Here's another one, PRL-8-53, as in PRL-8-53: enhanced learning and subsequent retention in humans as a result of low oral doses of new psychotropic agent.The effect of 3-(2-benzylmethylaminoethyl) benzoic acid methyl ester hydrochloride (PRL-8-53) on learning and on retention of verbal information in human subjects was investigated. Using the serial anticipation method under double-blind conditions it was found that PRL-8-53 causes slight improvement of acquisition. Retinetion of verbal information was found improved to a statistically significant degree (most P values better than 0.01, some better than 0.001). No significant changes were found for either visual reaction time or motor control after drug when compared with placebo values.
This same drug was described in far more glowing terms in a news story quoted in a forum--A team of Creighton University health science researchers is working with an experimental drug that could be just what the `absent-minded professor' has been needing for years.Having established the spectrum of effectiveness in students, or at least a part of it, we wanted to learn how an older population subgroup would respond. A number of colleagues volunteered and took the verbal learning and retention test. This group as age 30 or older. As might be expected, rote memory did not come as easily to this group as it did to the younger students. The average retention after 24 hours when on placebo was just under three words out of a possible 12. The average retention after one week was two words. However, the same subjects, when learning subsequent to drug administration, retained an average of 5.85 words after 24 hours and 5.25 words after one week. Again the increases were statistically significant. The improvement expressed in percent of placebo performance was 108% for the 24 hour test and 152% for the one-week recall.
And the last post on that forum is refers to the drug you mentioned--You're right that research on this particular compound is about 20 years old or longer...PRL 8-53, was listed and discussed in the journal of "Drugs of the Future." It's chemical structure was given in that publication. This publication is hard to find....you'll need to go to a medical interlibrary loan provider to locate this specific article. Also you might find it interesting that PRL-8-53, demonstrated enhanced performance in visual processing. Incidentally, PRL 8-53 was replaced by a more potent compound known as PRL 8-147, it's likely that you will not find any research on this preparation either...Dr. Hansl, at the time was also developing a similar type of compound which was discribed in the journal called the "Pharmacologist," A brief description of this compound was mentioned in a public press magazine known as "Longevity"....this magazine, as far as I know, is not in publication any longer. If you want to look into Dr. Hansl's earlier work, check out the Nebraska Academy of Sciences for further citations. I hope you find this information useful.
The inventor is Nikolaus Hansl.
Cool story, Hansl.
#172
Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:38 AM
#173
Posted 24 March 2013 - 01:25 PM
#174
Posted 24 March 2013 - 06:03 PM
I've started a discussion with management.
I think there is merit, but there are a number of issues to be considered, including risk management, legal liabilities and the potential for proper trial parameters to be established. It's possible that if they do agree to facilitate this, that it'll be a members-only process, but I'm only guessing.
I'll/they'll jump in here with updates, as things progress.
If the board does agree to help get this rolling than i have a few suggestions. First a supplier needs to be chosen along with the amount of PRL-8-53. This will give us the cost of of synthesizing PRL-8-53.
I erred earlier in the thread about 10g for $1300 from HM-Chemo. But i recontacted HM-Chemo and this is what i got, 10g for $1200 or 100g for $3000. I confused the 100g for $1300 with the company I cannot for the life of me find that was a US based sourcing company. I found it when the PRL-8-147 thread was started, i can remember pretty much everything about the page except the name/address.
Lets say Longecity decides to help with this project and the 10grams for $1200 is chosen, just as an example. There has been no decision on a supplier or final amount yet. Longecity sets up a donations slot that anyone can donate to. Even those who have no desire to participate in the trial. The cost of (still an example) 10g would be $1500 after shipping and repacking but the donation slot would be set between $2000-3000 so there is a lot of wiggle room and room for the community to profit. From their Longecity could make forms for persons wanting to be participants. The forms would be agreements (if accepted) that would likely entail things concerning legal liabilities, proper trial parameters, keeping logs, safety procedures and so on. This allows Longecity control over the testing so it can be treated more like a proper trial.
If 10 grams is selected than I would suggest that 250mg or 500mg samples be the sample amount sent out to testers. This allows for 40 participants 50 doses at 5mg for the 250mg sample or 20 participants 100 doses at 5mg for the 500mg sample.
This is all just an idea and we will have to wait and see if Longecity wants to do.
I find Longecity option the best seeing that it allows the community to profit.
Another option would be to have someone working with a company to make the order and handle the money.
Mod here, can someone give me a quick rundown on what you're wanting us to facilitate? Monetary stuff will have to go beyond us to board/secretary level discussion, but I'm considering jumping into this group-buy and own a company, so there may be other things that can be done.
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#175
Posted 24 March 2013 - 06:26 PM
I'd just like to say that the opportunity cost for one company can be a lot lower for another company, thus the price difference (excluding the companies that are just out there to scam you with seeming low prices.)I erred earlier in the thread about 10g for $1300 from HM-Chemo. But i recontacted HM-Chemo and this is what i got, 10g for $1200 or 100g for $3000. I confused the 100g for $1300 with the company I cannot for the life of me find that was a US based sourcing company. I found it when the PRL-8-147 thread was started, i can remember pretty much everything about the page except the name/address.
Lets say Longecity decides to help with this project and the 10grams for $1200 is chosen, just as an example. There has been no decision on a supplier or final amount yet. Longecity sets up a donations slot that anyone can donate to. Even those who have no desire to participate in the trial. The cost of (still an example) 10g would be $1500 after shipping and repacking but the donation slot would be set between $2000-3000 so there is a lot of wiggle room and room for the community to profit. From their Longecity could make forms for persons wanting to be participants. The forms would be agreements (if accepted) that would likely entail things concerning legal liabilities, proper trial parameters, keeping logs, safety procedures and so on. This allows Longecity control over the testing so it can be treated more like a proper trial.
If 10 grams is selected than I would suggest that 250mg or 500mg samples be the sample amount sent out to testers. This allows for 40 participants 50 doses at 5mg for the 250mg sample or 20 participants 100 doses at 5mg for the 500mg sample.
#176
Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:06 PM
#177
Posted 25 March 2013 - 02:52 AM
#178
Posted 25 March 2013 - 04:39 AM
#179
Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:03 AM
#180
Posted 25 March 2013 - 07:58 AM
<- I dont think it needs a comment just for sake of profitability for more community members10g for $1200 or 100g for $3000
Edited by Psionic, 25 March 2013 - 08:11 AM.
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