13 votes
Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:56 PM
Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:58 PM
I love how someone negs me for suggesting people take some precautions when experimenting with things.. sort of goes to proving a lot of what I'm saying doesn't it? group-think recklessness. best of luck all.
Don't worry, you talk sense, but youre probably wasting your time. most people here don't like to be told that their fairy-tale magic substance may do more harm than good. I was like that too, and now 10 years later I'm still feeling the negative effects of screwing around with one's brain chemistry.
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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:59 PM
Edited by redan, 07 April 2013 - 06:03 PM.
Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:06 PM
Yeah, I'm just not sure if we can get the 1.6k for the synthesis. Anyway, if this Sun-shinechem fails we can fall back to Novochem. I also would prefer Novochem because I would have near certainty that I am getting what I am ordering.
Edited by Q did it!, 07 April 2013 - 06:07 PM.
Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:19 PM
I love how someone negs me for suggesting people take some precautions when experimenting with things.. sort of goes to proving a lot of what I'm saying doesn't it? group-think recklessness. best of luck all.
Don't worry, you talk sense, but youre probably wasting your time. most people here don't like to be told that their fairy-tale magic substance may do more harm than good. I was like that too, and now 10 years later I'm still feeling the negative effects of screwing around with one's brain chemistry.
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It's just a matter of time before we find something that really, really works. And I want to be in on it when that day comes...
lol
Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:28 PM
I love how someone negs me for suggesting people take some precautions when experimenting with things.. sort of goes to proving a lot of what I'm saying doesn't it? group-think recklessness. best of luck all.
Don't worry, you talk sense, but youre probably wasting your time. most people here don't like to be told that their fairy-tale magic substance may do more harm than good. I was like that too, and now 10 years later I'm still feeling the negative effects of screwing around with one's brain chemistry.
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It's just a matter of time before we find something that really, really works. And I want to be in on it when that day comes...
lol
I'm not going to pretend this is safe, I'm going to admit that I have little choice but to experiment if I want to have the kind of life, other successful people are having due to good genetics. I know this is a group decision, but personally I know how dodgy Chinese companies can be and would far prefer an American company. Without testing we can never know if the certificate was just forged, it's highly possible to save costs, some Chinese companies don't even test the compound they send out.
On a more rational point of view - given the experimental nature of this drug, it may be best to wait till we can obtain information from the creators wife, if she is still in a mentally coherent state at this point of her life. One human study does make it more believable than a substance thats just tested in rats, we have to remember the majority of the substances we are ingesting like Noopept/Vinpocetine/Pramiracetam or whatever have not been extensively tested on human beings either.
I don't think the suggestion of taking it in an accident and emergency department of a hospital as far fetched, if one has the time I believe this is the correct protocol to undertake. Though I would question the effectiveness of what modern emergency medicine can do to prevent permanent cerebral/body damage, should a dangerous phenomenon occur due to poisoning, stroke, seizure, paralysis and so on, it would however attenuate whatever damage that is being caused to a lesser extent.
IF there were problems with this substance I would say they would probably be the usual suspects - cancer, down regulation, tolerance, neurotoxicity in the long term, unfortunately we would not be able to discern these effects until much later - too late for everyone listening. Drugs have a way of sneaking their side effects and showing their ugly faces much later. Hey, at some point people thought cigarettes were healthy.
I also think to reel people back a bit - success is a combination of many many factors, many genetic factors not only memory. Having good memory and no motivation will give you squat. Having good memory but no focus will give you squat. I've commenting a few times on this forum that cognitive abilities alone are not what makes an individual able to pursue what he wants to have in life. This is sadly even if it works but a small fraction of a large complex of faculties that make up a superior human being.
Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:58 PM
i wasn't referring to PRL 8-53 there, more to general nature of posts here where people encourage to megadose noots "in the name of science".its ok, - you want to justify consuming noots and i respect that. for me they did not work out, and i found out that in the end I function far better without noots then with them. i'm not saying you guys arent entitled to experimenting with your own bodies, i'm just urging some caution - esp when it comes to encouraging other people to take copious amounts of previously untested chems.
Who said anything about ingesting copious amounts?? And untested?? We do admit that there aren't many papers out there about PRL 8-53, but it definitely has been tested in humans before... Idk how much of this thread you've read but there's no peer pressure here; this is everyone's respective choice.
its ok, - you want to justify consuming noots and i respect that. for me they did not work out, and i found out that in the end I function far better without noots then with them. i'm not saying you guys arent entitled to experimenting with your own bodies, i'm just urging some caution - esp when it comes to encouraging other people to take copious amounts of previously untested chems.
Nobody is justifying or encouraging anything. Everybody is expressing their own free will. And I agree, I've never used a racetam that impressed me...but that isn't stopping me from expressing my curiosity or desire at attempting to be at my best...whatever that takes.
And if nootropics didn't work out for you and you no longer desire to pursue that avenue, why are you hanging out on a nootropic forum and criticizing others?
Posted 07 April 2013 - 11:37 PM
Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:09 AM
Rethinking it all, what I want no matter what is to be sure that what I will ingest is actually PRL 8-147.
PRL 8-53 is the compound being ordered here.
Edited by sparkk51, 08 April 2013 - 12:10 AM.
Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:12 AM
I love how someone negs me for suggesting people take some precautions when experimenting with things.. sort of goes to proving a lot of what I'm saying doesn't it? group-think recklessness. best of luck all.
Don't worry, you talk sense, but youre probably wasting your time. most people here don't like to be told that their fairy-tale magic substance may do more harm than good. I was like that too, and now 10 years later I'm still feeling the negative effects of screwing around with one's brain chemistry.
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It's just a matter of time before we find something that really, really works. And I want to be in on it when that day comes...
lol
I also think to reel people back a bit - success is a combination of many many factors, many genetic factors not only memory. Having good memory and no motivation will give you squat. Having good memory but no focus will give you squat. I've commenting a few times on this forum that cognitive abilities alone are not what makes an individual able to pursue what he wants to have in life. This is sadly even if it works but a small fraction of a large complex of faculties that make up a superior human being.
Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:28 AM
I love how someone negs me for suggesting people take some precautions when experimenting with things.. sort of goes to proving a lot of what I'm saying doesn't it? group-think recklessness. best of luck all.
Don't worry, you talk sense, but youre probably wasting your time. most people here don't like to be told that their fairy-tale magic substance may do more harm than good. I was like that too, and now 10 years later I'm still feeling the negative effects of screwing around with one's brain chemistry.
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It's just a matter of time before we find something that really, really works. And I want to be in on it when that day comes...
lol
I also think to reel people back a bit - success is a combination of many many factors, many genetic factors not only memory. Having good memory and no motivation will give you squat. Having good memory but no focus will give you squat. I've commenting a few times on this forum that cognitive abilities alone are not what makes an individual able to pursue what he wants to have in life. This is sadly even if it works but a small fraction of a large complex of faculties that make up a superior human being.
I'm a bit confused over the preoccupation with memory enhancement that a lot of people on this forum seem to have, unless in the case of cognitive decline through the aging process or disease/etc I don't see any huge benefits in having a better memory. In an academic setting it will be useful to help you get good grades.. but honestly, in north america at least, most universities have been so watered down in order to achieve positive passing grades for the masses who enroll each year that a tiny bit of effort and some time can achieve good marks without the need of supplements. These things tend to be self-defeating also, for instance, if you discover this compound gives you superior memory, your edge will last only as long as others don't pick up the cue and start synthesising their own, an ever-escalating noot arms race.. the race towards what? a better job? it seems so bourgeois a preoccupation (no offence lol). In terms of actually being better functionally, I would rate creativity, observational powers, focus, as far superior to 'memory', something so blase that a simple computer can do it (while it struggles with those other very human factors). I'm watching this movie Awakenings right now, the main character a doctor is creatively looking at ways to cure the patients, it's an interesting case in which creativity and observation are proving vastly superior to anything 'memory' might help with. I guess this also goes back to my complaint with the rote-memorization regurgitation format of education in general though, another story for another time.
Edited by Major Legend, 08 April 2013 - 12:37 AM.
Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:52 AM
Hmhmmh without going into my personal sob story..I've always had superb observational powers, great creativity and problem solving abilities. I lack will power, but will razor focus onto something that interests me, however i've never been able to internalise much of what I read, hear, or learn.
To put it into perspective, its means whilst I'm able to solve a lot of problems in an angle other people can't..I'll never be able to build on stuff and advance to the next stage in terms of learning. It's actually not impacted me academically as much as in my personal social life. I simply can't relate with other people as I live mostly on a day by day basis. I've never been able to recall stories well from the past, connect with people over music, for I can't really remember bands names, song names and so on. I can't recall stuff I read in books well.
If you asked me what I did the past few days, i'll really struggle to answer you back, without looking at my journal. I've been trying to learn a language and a new skill for the past 6 months - which would really benefit my career, but most of what i'm learning is falling right through. I've given up many learning attempts because of this problem, when I was young I was unable to ever be good at playing games both mentally and physically because I was unable to internalise what has happened. I always start off better than everyone else, but I gradually lose because people remember their mistakes and correct them.
Part of my creativity and problem solving ability, is because I am not really tempered by previous memories, but now as I grow older its becoming a nuisance because i'm unable to function like other human beings. I have shallow knowledge in everything, but can't build deep knowledge in a single subject. I also lack the ability to remember my life experience - it has its benefits and disadvantages. I don't want perfect memory, I really just want to be normal. I see people sharing stories and I wish I could do that.
Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:09 AM
I love how someone negs me for suggesting people take some precautions when experimenting with things.. sort of goes to proving a lot of what I'm saying doesn't it? group-think recklessness. best of luck all.
Don't worry, you talk sense, but youre probably wasting your time. most people here don't like to be told that their fairy-tale magic substance may do more harm than good. I was like that too, and now 10 years later I'm still feeling the negative effects of screwing around with one's brain chemistry.
Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2
It's just a matter of time before we find something that really, really works. And I want to be in on it when that day comes...
lol
I also think to reel people back a bit - success is a combination of many many factors, many genetic factors not only memory. Having good memory and no motivation will give you squat. Having good memory but no focus will give you squat. I've commenting a few times on this forum that cognitive abilities alone are not what makes an individual able to pursue what he wants to have in life. This is sadly even if it works but a small fraction of a large complex of faculties that make up a superior human being.
I'm a bit confused over the preoccupation with memory enhancement that a lot of people on this forum seem to have, unless in the case of cognitive decline through the aging process or disease/etc I don't see any huge benefits in having a better memory. In an academic setting it will be useful to help you get good grades.. but honestly, in north america at least, most universities have been so watered down in order to achieve positive passing grades for the masses who enroll each year that a tiny bit of effort and some time can achieve good marks without the need of supplements. These things tend to be self-defeating also, for instance, if you discover this compound gives you superior memory, your edge will last only as long as others don't pick up the cue and start synthesising their own, an ever-escalating noot arms race.. the race towards what? a better job? it seems so bourgeois a preoccupation (no offence lol). In terms of actually being better functionally, I would rate creativity, observational powers, focus, as far superior to 'memory', something so blase that a simple computer can do it (while it struggles with those other very human factors). I'm watching this movie Awakenings right now, the main character a doctor is creatively looking at ways to cure the patients, it's an interesting case in which creativity and observation are proving vastly superior to anything 'memory' might help with. I guess this also goes back to my complaint with the rote-memorization regurgitation format of education in general though, another story for another time.
Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:14 AM
Hmhmmh without going into my personal sob story..I've always had superb observational powers, great creativity and problem solving abilities. I lack will power, but will razor focus onto something that interests me, however i've never been able to internalise much of what I read, hear, or learn.
To put it into perspective, its means whilst I'm able to solve a lot of problems in an angle other people can't..I'll never be able to build on stuff and advance to the next stage in terms of learning. It's actually not impacted me academically as much as in my personal social life. I simply can't relate with other people as I live mostly on a day by day basis. I've never been able to recall stories well from the past, connect with people over music, for I can't really remember bands names, song names and so on. I can't recall stuff I read in books well.
If you asked me what I did the past few days, i'll really struggle to answer you back, without looking at my journal. I've been trying to learn a language and a new skill for the past 6 months - which would really benefit my career, but most of what i'm learning is falling right through. I've given up many learning attempts because of this problem, when I was young I was unable to ever be good at playing games both mentally and physically because I was unable to internalise what has happened. I always start off better than everyone else, but I gradually lose because people remember their mistakes and correct them.
Part of my creativity and problem solving ability, is because I am not really tempered by previous memories, but now as I grow older its becoming a nuisance because i'm unable to function like other human beings. I have shallow knowledge in everything, but can't build deep knowledge in a single subject. I also lack the ability to remember my life experience - it has its benefits and disadvantages. I don't want perfect memory, I really just want to be normal. I see people sharing stories and I wish I could do that.
Wow, your memory issues are similar to mine, but taken to an extreme. I too have issues remembering band and songs name (lack of interest?), can't recall memories from past as other people can (except when they were emotionally dense), etc. My short term memory has always been very good, far better than the average Joe's. It also started to go south after graduation (lack of intellect stimuli ?). Dual N back seems to help with that.
Regarding the 3rd party purity test - I am strongly in for that. Not only we are willing to start taking substance which hasn't been well tested on humans, but without purity test we are increasing the risk even more! Chinese chemical companies (and country as a whole) are generally known for lack of control quality standards. Any suggestions who could do the purity test here in US? How much does it usually cost ($200 - $300) ?
Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:17 AM
Dude, after this we have to do a group buy on IDRA-21, shit is interesting.if this compound don't work, anyone would be interested by NSI 189 or 7,8 dihydroxyflavone? these 2 are 100% safe
I say go with Novochemy, just out of an overabundance of safety. It's not that much of a hassle and I don't like the idea of judging the reputability of a company just based on how their website looks like. Looks can be deceiving Like I said if people see this compound works to the degree indicated in the studies we wont have problem ordering for a larger amount.Have we all decided on a definite course of action yet? Or are we still deliberating the options? If members believe one supplier may be a "safer" bet over another, perhaps that option is worth considering. And if a member has the ability and is offering to analyze the compound for purity and contaminants, that too, may be worthwhile....for peace of mind if nothing else.
Since this is apparently the first longecity group buy, doing it right would be in itself worthwhile to develop a model for future buys.
I was going to get a check in the mail this weekend but have held off until a definite plan is in place. Is $80 still the goal or are we going in other directions?
Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:27 AM
Posted 08 April 2013 - 03:10 AM
How many times does it have to be said?
Stop derailing this thread with your warnings and sob stories, what we are trying to coordinate here is complicated enough without these distractions. Unless you have a ground breaking discovery regarding this substance or you are interested in being a part of this group purchase take your bag of well intentioned warnings and make your own thread.
Thank you kindly.
Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:03 AM
Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:13 AM
Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:19 AM
We could but its a matter of working out the numbers: participants, cost per, amount of PRL etc.
As Stated Earlyer:
"If we were to go with NovoChemy I would suggest 8 persons for the 10g at $460.00. This would allow room for shipping cost but the 8 participants would receive 1.25g not 4g.
I must say that it is a bit to late in the game to start changing everything. But on a second thought if we did go with NovoChemy the 8 participants could sell part of their stocks but.... Man when PayPal screwed us the relay screwed us. And we could just buy three 10g samples and that would allow for 24 participants If we change everything this is our best bet. The only big change is from receiving 4g down to 1.25g which is still a lot. Also with the 3rd 10g sample I would have it mailed to a EU/UK resident for redistributing."
I acutaluy perfer NovoChemy and do feel much safer with them. So if everyone is ok with it lets just go with them. That means 24p at $80 and 1.25g
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