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[megatron]

Don't post about this on Reddit! I don't want those fools (most of them) knowing about these potentially life changing drugs, if it can be avoided. Don't just hand it to them.

[Nattzor]

Perhaps it is a bad idea to post about this on Reddit? The fastest growing segment of their user base is preteens and teens. Their irresponsible behaviour is going to bring us trouble.

That might be true for whole reddit, but doubt it's true for /r/nootropics. They got tons of awesome people and is overall a HQ place imo. The irc is better though.
PRL-8-53 is not available either, making it waaay harder to get for a random kid.

Don't post about this on Reddit! I don't want those fools (most of them) knowing about these potentially life changing drugs, if it can be avoided. Don't just hand it to them.

It has already been talked about there before and most visit both longecity and /r/nootropics afaik, they are both the largest nootropic/cognitive enhancer "forums" there are. And again, I'm against your elitist thinking.

And thoughts on the actual text? Am I right, wrong, does anything need to be changed/added?

Edited by Nattzor, 26 April 2013 - 11:09 AM.

[Izan]

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Edited by izan82, 26 April 2013 - 01:47 PM.

[Nattzor]

holy hell!!! the guys over at reddit found this source; http://i.imgur.com/wqzuGx1.png 1 kg of plr 853 for 800 dollars. that's 1000 grams!! what is going on here?

They also wrote that it's most likely fake.

The people on longecity went with their source because they know it's legit and wont get any bad product.

[Izan]

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Edited by izan82, 26 April 2013 - 01:47 PM.

[DamnedOwl]

Alfa Aesar does indeed look like a legitimate company, but looking at that image doesn't it seem a little odd that a company employee would be sending a business-related email from a gmail account? That's surely not normal for anything but the smallest of companies, no? And Alfa Aesar do not seem like a small company.

[peakplasma]

It is a scam. Their legitimate e-mail address is @alfa.com for example info@alfa.com.

[Izan]

It is a scam. Their legitimate e-mail address is @alfa.com for example info@alfa.com.

indeed.

[Ceretropic]

It is a scam. Their legitimate e-mail address is @alfa.com for example info@alfa.com.

Yep. I just spoke to a sales manager at Alpha, and they said it's most likely an scam. I am forwarding them the email so they can investigate it.

[therein]

izan82 redirected me to this thread from the NSI-189 thread. I currently live in the US and I was born and raised in Turkey. If you want I can give them a call and see what's up.

Their contact info seems to be:
Kimeks Kimyasal Maddeler
ve Saglik Gerecleri Ticaret A.S.
Abide-i Hürriyet Caddesi Gecit sokak
Norm Is Merkezi No. 12 Kat:1
34394 Sisli-Istanbul
Turkey

Tel: (0090) 212-2968460
Fax: (0090) 212-2482218
e-mail: kimeks@kimeks.com

and

Pro-Lab Laboratuar Teknolojileri Ltd.Sti.
Orta Mah. Cemal Gürsel Caddesi
Ordekcioglu Ismerkezi No.32/1
34896 Pendik - Istanbul
Turkey

Tel: +90216 598 2900
Fax: +90216 598 2907
e-mail: umit.senturk@pro-lab.com.tr

What exactly do you guys want me to ask them?

[warmin]

PRL-8-53 is availabe only in Chinese? (nowochemy)

[Major Legend]

I also second the idea, playing the devils advocate - that I do not want positive results to spread like wildfire. Most of us legitimately "need" these supplements to live a normal life, or have some kind of mental disability, thus we have years invested into testing these frankly "unknown" chemicals with our own lives and putting them online for ANYBODY on the internet to read about. Financially we too have spent a lot of money into chasing the dream.

Thus I ask you all - why should the alpha people, celebrities, mainstream successful, people in oxford and stanford have access to our hard earned information? information which we risk our lives to gain? most of all WHAT HAPPENS when these people get hold of such enhancers, however inevitable they will significantly raise the bar to BE FREE AND LIVE A NOVEL LIFE in the world.

Our innovations and discoveries at here at the forefront of being 72kg LAB RATS should be aimed at those in need, not those who already have everything - I believe that is the view of those of the medical society as well. In time everyone will benefit, we have spent YEARS experimenting I think its appropriate that we have a head start, for putting our lives at risk and for being underachieving to begin with due to various unforeseen circumstances.

I do not know how many of you share this view, nor do I think there is much we can do about it, given the public nature of the internet, apart from not telling anyone mainstream. I dread the day this stuff is on the cover of any major website or magazine.

Edited by Major Legend, 28 April 2013 - 11:13 AM.

[Nattzor]

I also second the idea, playing the devils advocate - that I do not want positive results to spread like wildfire. Most of us legitimately "need" these supplements to live a normal life, or have some kind of mental disability, thus we have years invested into testing these frankly "unknown" chemicals with our own lives and putting them online for ANYBODY on the internet to read about. Financially we too have spent a lot of money into chasing the dream.

I'm guessing that's true for the first "pioneers", nootropics and cognitive enhancers are now probably mainly used by students or those that have tons of workloads. That being said, there are also quite a lot of people who "need" them to function normally.

Thus I ask you all - why should the alpha people, celebrities, mainstream successful, people in oxford and stanford have access to our hard earned information? information which we risk our lives to gain? most of all WHAT HAPPENS when these people get hold of such enhancers, however inevitable they will significantly raise the bar to BE FREE AND LIVE A NOVEL LIFE in the world.

You assume it's just successful people who search for nootropics, I actually think it's the opposite. Sure, tons of uni-students use congitive enhancers, but the majority of the uni-students who use them does not go to ivy leauge. This nootropic (should most likely be called a cognitive enhancer at this moment) has also been shown to be not as effective for high-performers, but way better for low performers.
And the good old simple, "Why not?", why do you want to be an elite and limit others from getting the (unfair?) boost you're getting?

Our innovations and discoveries at here at the forefront of being 72kg LAB RATS should be aimed at those in need, not those who already have everything - I believe that is the view of those of the medical society as well. In time everyone will benefit, we have spent YEARS experimenting I think its appropriate that we have a head start, for putting our lives at risk and for being underachieving to begin with due to various unforeseen circumstances.

Would be interesting to do a survey of those in this group-buy and see who is healthy and who is not.

I do not know how many of you share this view, nor do I think there is much we can do about it, given the public nature of the internet, apart from not telling anyone mainstream. I dread the day this stuff is on the cover of any major website or magazine.

Well, I do not tell any in the "mainstream" really, I'm telling people who are most likely on both forums (and a few who wouldn't have seen it). I bet if brainmeta was as active as longecity there would be people complaing that it was posted here, using the same kind of arguments.

That being said, I wont post it on more "public" places.

And a question, does longecity have a irc channel or do most of the irc people just come to ##reddit-nootropics ?

[Gerhard van Dieren]

Woah, I have had a few turbulent weeks which made me unable to stay up to date on this topic. It seems like I have some catching up to do.

Big props for Redan and Q did it! for setting up this whole operation, It's incredible to see how eager everyone is to test promising compounds that arent fabricated anymore/yet. I am really curious to how we are going to do future group-buys, how much can we simplify the payment and distribution for testers?

It would be really great if we could set up a platform, structure where we can do these group-buys at a larger scale at ease.

Also, if we are to test these compounds, will we expose our projects to outsiders? The line between being exclusively (at the early stages) entitled to these substances where we put ourselfs at risk for and 'elitism' seems to be a thin line. I side with Major Legend on this matter, I think closure (E.G; closed threads only for participants or longecity members) would be a reasonble and will benefit the projects in many different ways such as safety, no fiddling questions, and overal speed.

Edited by Gerhard van Dieren, 28 April 2013 - 01:23 PM.

[Nattzor]

Also, if we are to test these compounds, will we expose our projects to outsiders? The line between being exclusively (at the early stages) entitled to these substances where we put ourselfs at risk for and 'elitism' seems to be a thin line. I side with Major Legend on this matter, I think closure (E.G; closed threads only for participants or longecity members) would be a reasonble and will benefit the projects in many different ways such as safety, no fiddling questions, and overal speed.

Longecity is a public forum, if you want it more of a "secret" you need a private sub-forum, and then it would only be for the buyers.

[Major Legend]

And the good old simple, "Why not?", why do you want to be an elite and limit others from getting the (unfair?) boost you're getting?

The answer is pretty simple - because most people want to improve certain aspects to out perform others. Life is a competition, society is a competition, there is no way around it.

The higher you climb the more FREE and more OPTIONS open up to how you live your life, baring unavoidable misery events. If you have good parents, good genetics and make it into Stanford early on, THE WORLD OPENS UP TO YOU, but how many people get to go to Stanford? Do we want those privileges to light-leap even further away from the underachievers? Do you want them to rule your life more than they already do?

If everyone can improve the same manner, then the "elite" of the current world will keep being elite, and there will never be a chance for the underdog to move up. Exams and work will simply become harder and tougher, and so on - because everyone will become smarter, or we will lead to these substances being banned.

I would also add that the elite often have gotten to the elite by having UNFAIR ADVANTAGES in the first place, like genes, wealth, connections, sociability, bullying others.

The longer we dig into this discussion, the more we open the can of worms. I've simply stated my opinions, let's not derail this discussions into ethics - if people agree with me then they will try to keep information away from the mainstream whilst promoting an open forum as much as possible - including those who have actively participated and risked their lives in gaining this information (or any other more advanced methods they can think of) - for their own good.

If the endeaver is simply for the "betterment of mankind" than I can think of many more avenues that should have our undivided attention at the moment like sclerosis, cancer and dementia.

And finally like I say, we are only discussing the INEVITABLE - I just hope and wish deeply those of us invested and many of us who genuinely need this help can have small head start.

[megatron]

Woah, I have had a few turbulent weeks which made me unable to stay up to date on this topic. It seems like I have some catching up to do.

Big props for Redan and Q did it! for setting up this whole operation, It's incredible to see how eager everyone is to test promising compounds that arent fabricated anymore/yet. I am really curious to how we are going to do future group-buys, how much can we simplify the payment and distribution for testers?

It would be really great if we could set up a platform, structure where we can do these group-buys at a larger scale at ease.

Also, if we are to test these compounds, will we expose our projects to outsiders? The line between being exclusively (at the early stages) entitled to these substances where we put ourselfs at risk for and 'elitism' seems to be a thin line. I side with Major Legend on this matter, I think closure (E.G; closed threads only for participants or longecity members) would be a reasonble and will benefit the projects in many different ways such as safety, no fiddling questions, and overal speed.

Fully agree. I prefer if the test results initially were only available to the participants (and members). We're risking our health and I'm absolutely disgusted that non-registered users can watch all the results and publications without making any kind of contributions themselves. I'd kill myself if PRL 8-53, NSI-189, Dihexa etc. provided the promised results, and major mainstream magazines / newspapers instantly got their hands on this information. These substances are also very expensive to test.

Nattzor: Also, as I said before the researchers stated that the tests used were too easy for the more intelligent people, not that they in any way were less susceptible for cognitive enhancements from PRL 8-53

Edit: Couldn't agree more with MajorLegend!

Edited by Megatrone, 28 April 2013 - 02:51 PM.

[Nattzor]

Fully agree. I prefer if the test results initially were only available to the participants (and members). We're risking our health and I'm absolutely disgusted that non-registered users can watch all the results and publications without making any kind of contributions themselves. I'd kill myself if PRL 8-53, NSI-189, Dihexa etc. provided the promised results, and major mainstream magazines / newspapers instantly got their hands on this information. These substances are also very expensive to test.

Nattzor: Also, as I said before the researchers stated that the tests used were too easy for the more intelligent people, not that they in any way were less susceptible for cognitive enhancements from PRL 8-53

Edit: Couldn't agree more with MajorLegend!

I wouldn't say that most people risk their life with substances, they're researching it and looking for sides, etc. The newspapers/magazines will never (well, not for a long time) write about PRL-8-53 even if it works, they're too caught up with medications (i.e. adderal and modafinil). That being said, I (nor anyone else I think) wont send anything to newspapers/magazines or such.

The test said that they had near perfect memory to begin with (placebo forgot about 3 words in 24h, PRL forgot 1.5-2 words, after a week placebo forgot 3.5-4 words and PRL 3), I really doubt a harder test would show much more statistical significant results. I wouldn't have said it if they forgot 1 word after a week, but they were not far away from placebo group.


And for MajorLegend, if you want we can talk in PM about the ethics (or just ignore it).

[Q did it!]

Just an update:

The orders have been placed and the PRL is in production . Its only a matter of time till we receive our samples of PRL-8-53. People that I am mailing samples to should receive theirs in 5-7 week and persons receiving their samples from science guy about 6-7 weeks.

If this goes well(the chemical works) we can submit a request to NovoChemy for a 200g or 1kg quantity at a reduced price. I have not sent the request yet but if all goes well we can probably get 1kg for about 3k to 5k. Or we could just see if we can get a lab (US and/or UK) say SunShineNootropics to stock it and recommend a few suppliers to them NovoChemy being one of them.

Also concerning future group buys we will have a much better system in place for the payment and mailing. T&W will actually mail out all the individual samples to participants if desired (shipping included in final quote). Though it will cost more initially but would work out to be about the same as shipping from receivers; which would mean that receivers would no longer be needed. Thusparticipants would receive samples sooner. So for future group buys when possible I say we go with T&W, even if the price may be a little higher than some labs.

[Reformed-Redan]

So, what's next? IDRA-21? I can wait; but, its good to start planning our next group buy for what and how much.

Again many thanks to Q did it!

[Q did it!]

So, what's next? IDRA-21? I can wait; but, its good to start planning our next group buy for what and how much.

Again many thanks to Q did it!

So we can start the new group buy after we receive our samples I am thinking. But I will leave it up to you guys to make up a census on what you want. If you want you can list three chemicals and have persons vote on them once we have a running list of interesting compounds to choose from. So any ideas on what next guys?

[Reformed-Redan]

Let's start a new thread, like you said after we get this compound.

[Q did it!]

Let's start a new thread, like you said after we get this compound.

Sound like a plan

[Rior]

Another advantage I think is worth mentioning regarding our knowledge of these substances is the FINANCIAL advantage...and by that, I mean investment opportunity. We know about this material years before it hits mainstream. We know about Dihexa and NSI-189, while they're still in PHASE 1 of FDA testing. This means--for example--that stock prices for CUR (Neuralstem Inc, manufacturers of NSI-189) are only at about $1.20 (I invested at $1.10). They do not currently have a drug out for sales yet. Imagine what happens when suddenly NSI-566 or NSI-189 actually live up to their potential and make it past all FDA trials? Considering what these drugs are implicated for, you know their stock prices are going to absssooollluuuuttteeeely skyrocket.

The obvious thing that needs to be said, is that these are not very far through trials, which leaves much room for something to go wrong--as it did with the CX-717 chemicals made by Cortex (followed by a subsequent stock price drop). However, Neuralstem Inc. is led by some VERY strong people, and is the NUMBER ONE FRONTRUNNER right now for DARPA investments into neural enhancements. Richard Garr, the CEO of Neuralstem, was named the "15th most influential person in the stem cell field" of the top 50 "global stem cell influences." I see this company going places. Don't forget to take advantage of the knowledge you have for financial reasons, too!

[Reformed-Redan]

Another advantage I think is worth mentioning regarding our knowledge of these substances is the FINANCIAL advantage...and by that, I mean investment opportunity. We know about this material years before it hits mainstream. We know about Dihexa and NSI-189, while they're still in PHASE 1 of FDA testing. This means--for example--that stock prices for CUR (Neuralstem Inc, manufacturers of NSI-189) are only at about $1.20 (I invested at $1.10). They do not currently have a drug out for sales yet. Imagine what happens when suddenly NSI-566 or NSI-189 actually live up to their potential and make it past all FDA trials? Considering what these drugs are implicated for, you know their stock prices are going to absssooollluuuuttteeeely skyrocket.

The obvious thing that needs to be said, is that these are not very far through trials, which leaves much room for something to go wrong--as it did with the CX-717 chemicals made by Cortex (followed by a subsequent stock price drop). However, Neuralstem Inc. is led by some VERY strong people, and is the NUMBER ONE FRONTRUNNER right now for DARPA investments into neural enhancements. Richard Garr, the CEO of Neuralstem, was named the "15th most influential person in the stem cell field" of the top 50 "global stem cell influences." I see this company going places. Don't forget to take advantage of the knowledge you have for financial reasons, too!

HAHAHAHA! You beat me to it by 11 cents. I put in a stop order today for $1.21 before this post. As a responsible investor I have to investigate their product.
Looks like we're in it together. Btw, how much did you put in?

[Rior]

Another advantage I think is worth mentioning regarding our knowledge of these substances is the FINANCIAL advantage...and by that, I mean investment opportunity. We know about this material years before it hits mainstream. We know about Dihexa and NSI-189, while they're still in PHASE 1 of FDA testing. This means--for example--that stock prices for CUR (Neuralstem Inc, manufacturers of NSI-189) are only at about $1.20 (I invested at $1.10). They do not currently have a drug out for sales yet. Imagine what happens when suddenly NSI-566 or NSI-189 actually live up to their potential and make it past all FDA trials? Considering what these drugs are implicated for, you know their stock prices are going to absssooollluuuuttteeeely skyrocket.

The obvious thing that needs to be said, is that these are not very far through trials, which leaves much room for something to go wrong--as it did with the CX-717 chemicals made by Cortex (followed by a subsequent stock price drop). However, Neuralstem Inc. is led by some VERY strong people, and is the NUMBER ONE FRONTRUNNER right now for DARPA investments into neural enhancements. Richard Garr, the CEO of Neuralstem, was named the "15th most influential person in the stem cell field" of the top 50 "global stem cell influences." I see this company going places. Don't forget to take advantage of the knowledge you have for financial reasons, too!

HAHAHAHA! You beat me to it by 11 cents. I put in a stop order today for $1.21 before this post. As a responsible investor I have to investigate their product.
Looks like we're in it together. Btw, how much did you put in?

Haha well unfortunately as a pathetically poor college student, I only had bout 300 bucks to spare. I figure that 300 bucks invested down the line might turn out alright though post-grad! I'd very much like to invest more if I had it though. I really don't currently see many situations in the future where Neuralstem ends up failing. How much are you thinking of throwing in?

[Reformed-Redan]

Some more, around a 1k. Think it'll end up OK. Just gotta follow clinical trials closely.

[Izan]

Just an update:

The orders have been placed and the PRL is in production . Its only a matter of time till we receive our samples of PRL-8-53. People that I am mailing samples to should receive theirs in 5-7 week and persons receiving their samples from science guy about 6-7 weeks.

If this goes well(the chemical works) we can submit a request to NovoChemy for a 200g or 1kg quantity at a reduced price. I have not sent the request yet but if all goes well we can probably get 1kg for about 3k to 5k. Or we could just see if we can get a lab (US and/or UK) say SunShineNootropics to stock it and recommend a few suppliers to them NovoChemy being one of them.

Also concerning future group buys we will have a much better system in place for the payment and mailing. T&W will actually mail out all the individual samples to participants if desired (shipping included in final quote). Though it will cost more initially but would work out to be about the same as shipping from receivers; which would mean that receivers would no longer be needed. Thusparticipants would receive samples sooner. So for future group buys when possible I say we go with T&W, even if the price may be a little higher than some labs.

yes, i told you about T&W, they are legit

And the good old simple, "Why not?", why do you want to be an elite and limit others from getting the (unfair?) boost you're getting?

The answer is pretty simple - because most people want to improve certain aspects to out perform others. Life is a competition, society is a competition, there is no way around it.

The higher you climb the more FREE and more OPTIONS open up to how you live your life, baring unavoidable misery events. If you have good parents, good genetics and make it into Stanford early on, THE WORLD OPENS UP TO YOU, but how many people get to go to Stanford? Do we want those privileges to light-leap even further away from the underachievers? Do you want them to rule your life more than they already do?

If everyone can improve the same manner, then the "elite" of the current world will keep being elite, and there will never be a chance for the underdog to move up. Exams and work will simply become harder and tougher, and so on - because everyone will become smarter, or we will lead to these substances being banned.

I would also add that the elite often have gotten to the elite by having UNFAIR ADVANTAGES in the first place, like genes, wealth, connections, sociability, bullying others.

The longer we dig into this discussion, the more we open the can of worms. I've simply stated my opinions, let's not derail this discussions into ethics - if people agree with me then they will try to keep information away from the mainstream whilst promoting an open forum as much as possible - including those who have actively participated and risked their lives in gaining this information (or any other more advanced methods they can think of) - for their own good.

If the endeaver is simply for the "betterment of mankind" than I can think of many more avenues that should have our undivided attention at the moment like sclerosis, cancer and dementia.

And finally like I say, we are only discussing the INEVITABLE - I just hope and wish deeply those of us invested and many of us who genuinely need this help can have small head start.

well spoken.

[Q did it!]

Just an update:

The orders have been placed and the PRL is in production . Its only a matter of time till we receive our samples of PRL-8-53. People that I am mailing samples to should receive theirs in 5-7 week and persons receiving their samples from science guy about 6-7 weeks.

If this goes well(the chemical works) we can submit a request to NovoChemy for a 200g or 1kg quantity at a reduced price. I have not sent the request yet but if all goes well we can probably get 1kg for about 3k to 5k. Or we could just see if we can get a lab (US and/or UK) say SunShineNootropics to stock it and recommend a few suppliers to them NovoChemy being one of them.

Also concerning future group buys we will have a much better system in place for the payment and mailing. T&W will actually mail out all the individual samples to participants if desired (shipping included in final quote). Though it will cost more initially but would work out to be about the same as shipping from receivers; which would mean that receivers would no longer be needed. Thusparticipants would receive samples sooner. So for future group buys when possible I say we go with T&W, even if the price may be a little higher than some labs.

yes, i told you about T&W, they are legit

And the good old simple, "Why not?", why do you want to be an elite and limit others from getting the (unfair?) boost you're getting?

The answer is pretty simple - because most people want to improve certain aspects to out perform others. Life is a competition, society is a competition, there is no way around it.

The higher you climb the more FREE and more OPTIONS open up to how you live your life, baring unavoidable misery events. If you have good parents, good genetics and make it into Stanford early on, THE WORLD OPENS UP TO YOU, but how many people get to go to Stanford? Do we want those privileges to light-leap even further away from the underachievers? Do you want them to rule your life more than they already do?

If everyone can improve the same manner, then the "elite" of the current world will keep being elite, and there will never be a chance for the underdog to move up. Exams and work will simply become harder and tougher, and so on - because everyone will become smarter, or we will lead to these substances being banned.

I would also add that the elite often have gotten to the elite by having UNFAIR ADVANTAGES in the first place, like genes, wealth, connections, sociability, bullying others.

The longer we dig into this discussion, the more we open the can of worms. I've simply stated my opinions, let's not derail this discussions into ethics - if people agree with me then they will try to keep information away from the mainstream whilst promoting an open forum as much as possible - including those who have actively participated and risked their lives in gaining this information (or any other more advanced methods they can think of) - for their own good.

If the endeaver is simply for the "betterment of mankind" than I can think of many more avenues that should have our undivided attention at the moment like sclerosis, cancer and dementia.

And finally like I say, we are only discussing the INEVITABLE - I just hope and wish deeply those of us invested and many of us who genuinely need this help can have small head start.

well spoken.

Agree in part. We will have a head start and we could start a new thread as planned but just make it private but is that really fair. Do we not at least owe it to the community to report back with what we have found (granted hopefully it’s something good)? We could make it open to members only. That would seem fair and I think (correct me if I am wrong) what a private thread does anyway.

So let’s say the chemical PRL is a great success and it gives us near perfect memories (at least long term). Hopefully it does not impair short term memory as the CILTEP stack does but Piracetam does seem to alleviate it well enough though. We make a private/closed thread for PRL what do we do after it’s a success (theoretically speaking)? We make a new bigger group buy order and try to get ahead (mentally advance) of everyone else (who is everyone else other than people already using nootropics) before they find out and try to do the same?
Most people I have talked to about nootropics are very skeptical and do not like the idea of putting chemicals in their bodies that have not been FDA approved (I for one do not like the FDA and Big Pharma).
I think we do not have have anything to fear from this getting spread and if what we are doing is a huge success don’t expect to hear about it in the Media or any popular channel. They are good at keeping things like this out; they don’t want it! Very rarely is anything of “Nootropic” value mentioned and if it is its one of those hair brain ideas that will never work. The governments don’t want their populations as a whole getting smarter and neither do the big business it would create mayhem and upset many systems (fore once people would see though the vile that is cast over their eyes). “Slow and steady” is their motto for human advancement. We are pioneers in human evolution! We seek to better ourselves though chemicals, mediation, tones and such. When we finally find something huge (and I think it will be soon) its then and only then that we need fear. There have been many advances in science and bio that would shock us but they are kept secret for obvious reasons. And PRL is not a secret we found out about it and it is available for purchase on web sites like Novo and ArkPharm(US based Company).

[Web]

I for one am interested in the artistic possibilities. I cannot imagine how good a musician I would be with a near-perfect memory. My creativity is through the roof but I've got as poor a memory as anyone I know (elderly excluded). I also fantasize about reading novels and philosophical works and being able to recall every detail. Maybe I'm in the minority, but having a "competitive advantage" over the next guy is the furthest thing from my mind. That isn't to say I support spreading this to everyone, which does seem unfair to the pioneers. I'm just focused on how it will improve my own mind in pursuit of my own enlightenment and expression.