These things we know and are why we getting this compound synthesized. We want the answers and there's only one way to get them.
As far as the lab goes I can personally vouch for it and ScienceGuy may be getting a sample tested for purity as he seeming always does
1) "We want the answers and there's only one way to get them." Wrong. Most of the people that participated in the group-buy are consumers--not producers, i.e. those who are not knowledgeable about conducting scientific investigations and not trained to use proper protocols. They don't know how to evaluate primary literature or even do basic literature searches. You won't get legitimate answers from amateur pharmacologists on this forum who only contribute their anecdotal evidence. Additionally, the sample size is too small to draw any conclusions about short- or long-term effects.
2) What is the name of the laboratory that is synthesizing this compound? Provide their contact information so I can research their qualifications and credentials. Every group-buy should be entirely transparent, especially with the nature of the product being sold.
3) Have you ever met "ScienceGuy" in real life before? What kind of credentials does he have? Does he work for a reputable institution? How do you know that these group-buys are not motivated by money and self-interest? You don't. It's entirely possible that he was quoted 500 dollars total for the entire synthesis, and he is making an extravagant profit off of each and every one of you for his own personal gain.
The people in this community should be asking questions like these and raising concerns. The process should be entirely transparent.
“"We want the answers and there's only one way to get them." Wrong.”
Sorry you may have misunderstood me here.
What I trying to say (been rushed for time) is what you have stated, Testing, Further Research, Data, Analysis etc. is needed. There is not any real conclusive evidence for this compound. No real studies are going to be done on this compound. 1.) No patent 2.) As you say it dates back to pre-1975 and 3.) What kind of market would this have other than that of nootropic value? Maybe Alzheimer's or memory impairment? But once again there is no room for profit by drug companies so why even bother. (Could go on but there are entire books on this topic)
The point know by all participants here is that this is not any real/professional/USDA controlled CLINICAL TRIAL. It is simply put a group of persons putting their funds together for the purchases of a compound that they alone could not afford, in this case PRL-8-53, that they can test/judge for themselves on effectiveness.
Yes most of the people here are consumers (hence why this is a GROUP BUY not a CLINICAL TRIAL). Even with true scientific testing one does not know if a drug is going to work till it be personally trialed (Though trials due help with finding risks and dangers associated with). What works for one person may not work for another.
The sample size it not to “SMALL” it is more than enough for a good testing period by participants to see if this compound even works and if it does then it is and always has been the idea to get more. (NSN will be stocking this soon)
As far as exposing the lab this I will not due. They have remained private due to the risk of it being know by their “AVERAGE” client that they dabble in nootropics/what’s happening here… (Yes I know who they are, have communicated with and verified them but I really do not wish to get involved with this much more then I already have).
Yes group buys should be more/completely* transparent and I wish this one was but we are trying to protect people’s privacy here Participants and Suppliers alike (this is a PUBLIC forum after all ).
I don’t know why I am evening answering this but… no I have not met ScienceGuy personally nor have you me but I assure you I am real (A real internet human I am. Sorry had to say it, sigh) Sometimes you have to give people the benefit of the doubt (online communities ).
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Second everything SG wrote.
Edited by Q did it!, 31 October 2013 - 06:12 PM.