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#3691 coiboggs

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 03:15 AM

Just an update, 3-4 weeks after starting NST I woke up and was depression free, No rumination, negative thoughts fall quickly off. First time in years that I feel really well. I cannot believe how well this works ,my mind is really peaceful. This stuff is unbelievable. I also did lions mane and cerebrolysin, these 2 might also have helped a bit. I hope the effect is sustainable. Should I cycle this on and off or should I take it without breaks? I got my NSI-189 from Mr. Strangelove.
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DST, can I ask where you got your cerebrolysin from? I'm looking to start a trial in march this year and need a reputable source.

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Posted 21 January 2016 - 08:44 AM

I get it at the local Pharmacy (Romania), don't know where to buy it online:(



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Posted 25 January 2016 - 08:27 PM

Hi folks,

here is another success story or at least a partial one:
I'm in my early thirties, suffering from mild to moderate depression and a host of anxiety disorders (OCD, Social phobia, panic disorder).

I was with the first cohort of guinea pigs to take the NSI-189 of Science Guy's and later VLK's group buy. During that time I have probably consumed about 3-4g in total, with about one month of consistent daily dosing at most. I used to take 2 x 40mg sublingually daily, sometimes more sometimes less.

I couldn't get much positive effect from the NSI-189 during that this period, but rather side effects like:

- feeling stressed out
- headache
- noticably higher levels of anxiety


Only occassionally could I feel the true antidepressive potential of NSI-189, mostly when I took it together when Pregabalin which would dampen the anxiogenic response down enough to only feel the good sides of NSI-189.

I then decided to ditch it, considering it not worth the risk of taking a research chemical with questionable benefits for me.

About three months ago I found another reliable European source which, at that point in time, only sold the freebase. So I decided to give this molecule another go.
A month later I can attest, that this stuff is a fantastic antidepressant. During my initial experimentation with this substance some years ago, I didn't realize that I was probably taking way too much. 2 x 40mg, according to phase 1 trial data, has been deemed the maximum dosage beyond which no further positive effects could be observed. And I was taking that amount SUBLINGUALLY.
Now I am taking 2 x 20mg (phosphate now, but freebase and phosphate worked equally well for me) orally per day. The effects needed time to build up (about 3-4 weeks). Here is what I observed:

The positives:

- I regained my mental clarity and, most importantly, my word finding difficulties have been greatly ameliorated
- I enjoy a much more positive outlook on life
- I feel in a  genuine state of contentment most of the time without feeling drugged one bit
- My memory is much better and my ability to focus has returned to levels I last had about 10 or 15 years ago
- I don't feel immediately overwhelmed by cognitively demanding tasks and my mental endurance has improved significantly
- Remarkably, I can even retain my mental clarity when I take Pregabalin (150mg), which usually makes me cognitively dull and causes strong memory issues
- No flatlined emotions
- No sexual side effects


The negatives:

- It is still anxiogenic for me (but tolerable!) and ideally I need to find some kind of anxiolytic longterm medication to combine it with (so far Pregabalin has been best). I might also just try lowering the dose even further
- increased appetite
- sometimes an exacerbated stress response


All in all, this molecule has given me back a huge part of life. It feels like it has "switched on" a part of my brain that was long shut down or seriously damaged from the years of stress caused by chronic depression and anxiety. If it wasn't for its anxiongenic properties, I would be even happier with it. I will definitely keep on taking it for the next months, hoping the positive effects will persist.
I totally believe that NSI-189 is going to be the next big thing on the antidepressant market.


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 10:49 PM

Focus83, have you ever tried Silexan/Calm Aid for anxiety? I don't think its something that you can "feel" like Pregabalin or benzos, but it seems very effective for some and has clinical evidence. Give it a try.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/26718792

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/26293583

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24559818

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/24456909


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#3695 focus83

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Posted 26 January 2016 - 09:54 PM

Thanks for your helpful suggestion, chemicalambrosia! I really appreciate it. In fact, I used a package of 30 lavender capsules some months ago before taking NSI-189 again. It does indeed help with anxiety and I will reconsider it as augmentation supplement!



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Posted 27 January 2016 - 05:44 PM

My experience with NSI over the last 4 weeks:

 

Week One.. first day produced great results in lifting depression and anhedonia with an almost 18o degreee turnaround in outlook. Days 2-5..were pretty rough. Depression came back and worsened. Outlook on life was terrible. Knowing there is a break in period, I dosed 100mg of 5-htp and 500mg of niacin to get over this hump. Whether it was the ancillaries or just the drug finally kicking in, my symptoms improved dramatically and the desired effect was reached by Day 6..I felt like myself again.

 

Weeks 2-4. There have been 2-3 days during this time where depression has crept back in, but this correlated to days where I upped the dose from 20-25mg to 40mg.  It seemed like increasing the dose brought back the "break in blues", so Ive maintained the lower dose for a few weeks as this appears to be effective and also cost effective.

 

Side effects: It can be a little difficult to wind down for sleep. NSI seems to not only upregulate mood but my desire to stay stimulated, but it is not insurmountable. A little melatonin seems to shut down the stimulation nicely and the NSI zaps away any residual grogginess.

 


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Posted 31 January 2016 - 09:16 PM

I'm starting a trial again after aborting the first attempt in August last year. 

 

I'm currently taking 10 mg lexapro, 15 mg Adderall xr, and 150 mg Wellbutrin xl for (respectively): social anxiety & GAD, ADHD-PI, and depression/ chronic fatigue. 

 

If there's been any recent anecdotal findings of possible contraindications with NSI-189 I'd appreciate someone giving me the heads up. Until I hear otherwise, I'm continuing....

 

On day 3, taking 5 mg sublingually before bed. If all goes well by week 2, I'll ramp up to 10 mg daily for another 2 weeks, and adjust my dosage as I progress and until I run out of my 3 gm's. The reason I'm starting low is because last attempt I experienced heart racing and anxiety, but I was not on any other medications at that time (controlling anxiety and other conditions), I took a high dose of 40 mg that day, I think I may have just overreacted, and lastly it was at the beginning of the trial so didn't give enough time for start up effects to wane. 

 

What improvements I'm hoping to see: Well, any improvement in the following would be a good help:

  • Cognitive problems due to ADD, heavy binge drinking in adolescence, concussion (happened once but was still conscious) and mild concussions from a ten-year career in hockey (i.e. saw A LOT of "stars" from being hit hard), and lastly life-long stress/ anxiety/ and depression induced brain changes.

    From whatever their source (mostly probably ADD-related), I have terrible short-term memory and long-term memory, slight depth perception issues (vision improved with adderall), poor spatial-perception/ navigation (bumping into things/ not accurately perceiving objects in space), mild fine-motor skill deficits, oral-language problems (when I speak I see a soup of words floating in my head as opposed to a linear sentence that would organize my thoughts more sequentially; addreall helps this a little bit), attention issues, constant daydreaming, lack of clarity (which is a common complaint I know but mine is really bad - I have SCT symptoms too).
     
  • Depression and/ or anxiety: I think a lot of GAD and social anxiety stems from depression issues which may or may not be visible or evident to the person. So I'd rather experience an improvement in depression/ self-confidence/ self-expression than anxiety. 

We'll see how it goes... 

 


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Posted 01 February 2016 - 01:13 AM

Just finished up two grams and I've tried Wellbutrin, Prozac, Zoloft, Celexa, Lexapro, Effexor, and Pristiq;  plus Tianeptine and various benzos combo, and I can say without a doubt that NSI-189 is the ONLY medication that has given me moments of complete "normality."  It's the only Med where I have felt what it feels like to have no free floating anxiety or negative thoughts...just what it feels like to be "me."

 

Since I'm cycling it, I'll report back on how long this feeling lasts.


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#3699 pheanix997

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Posted 01 February 2016 - 12:40 PM

Gave me insomnia last night... don't want to take it in the AM with the Adderall, etc. as they could be a bad combination. Maybe the insomnia was caused by the wellbutrin; I'll have to give it one more shot tonight but will probably have no choice but to stop the trial if insomnia continues as I need to function at work. 

 

Also no benefits or ill effects so far. 



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Posted 01 February 2016 - 02:41 PM

Gave me insomnia last night... don't want to take it in the AM with the Adderall, etc. as they could be a bad combination. Maybe the insomnia was caused by the wellbutrin; I'll have to give it one more shot tonight but will probably have no choice but to stop the trial if insomnia continues as I need to function at work. 

Take it in the morning, not before bed.



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Posted 01 February 2016 - 03:35 PM

@Phoenix

 

Why would they be a bad combination? You could try spacing them up just 3-4 hours or so, see if anything happens.



#3702 pheanix997

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Posted 01 February 2016 - 04:32 PM

They're both stimulating?

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Posted 01 February 2016 - 05:29 PM

You could still experiment with different time spaces to see what works. Also it would be a good anecdote for people to know what would able to combine and not if you jot it down here.



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Posted 01 February 2016 - 08:35 PM

You should avoid taking NSI-189 with any kind of psychostimulants as in my experience it greatly potentiates their effect. For instance, I am already very sensitive to caffeine, but when I took it in combination with NSI-189 it made me extremely anxious, stressed out and irritable. Much more than it does on its own.

 

As a side note, in one if Neuralstem's recent webcasts (can't remember which conference it was, but it was in January), Richard Garr, the CEO, said that NSI-189 could be well suited as an augmentation drug for SSRI and, IIRC, other classes of antidepressants as well. I'm not advocating polydrug use with a research chemical, I'm just passing on what was said.

 

That being said, taking Lexapro, Adderall and Wellbutrin together with a research chemical that has an unknown MOA is VERY unreasonable.


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Posted 01 February 2016 - 11:20 PM

Thanks Focus, I'll consider that. I'm treading carefully. 

 

I haven't noticed the tongue/ mouth numbing effect at all. Maybe cause my dose is too small or sublingual?



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 12:43 AM

Any of you chemistry pros know if NSI can be dissolved into a stable solution? It would make dosing much easier. I have seen sources offering NSO solution, but they don't mention what its suspended or dissolved in.



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 04:49 PM

Sorry for a late reply updating NSI-189 phosphate testing. Although the HPLC for the sample was 99.1% purity the results were not OK finding a second chemical present.

 

I just now got a reply from my current source (that to be honest was not my first choice as their NSI-189 phosphate is the most expensive available) and they insist that they have above 99.5% purity for both phosphate and freebase and I should go forward and test it. 

 

Unfortunatelly I do not have any left to send to the testing lab. Could anyone that I sent NSI-189 phosphate this last past month to arrange delivery of a 50mg sample for testing? I ll pay for shipping. A member from Europe is preferable as the lab is in Europe.

 

The proccess is very easy, fill 40-50mg in a clean a zip log bag with a clean scoop, label it NSI-189 phosphate testing, write down two random letters code and three numbers (e.g. FG403) and ship it register.

 

Anyone from Europe that can readily do this please send a pm.

 


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Posted 02 February 2016 - 06:24 PM

Hello, I can do it, just have not received my envelope yet

 


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Posted 02 February 2016 - 07:02 PM

Although the HPLC for the sample was 99.1% purity the results were not OK finding a second chemical present.


What is the second chemical present? Proportion?
This situation sucks. Every synthesis you've done, every time something's wrong. I hope we will settle with a trustworthy lab soon

#3710 pheanix997

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Posted 02 February 2016 - 07:46 PM

Anyone have an idea of the shelf-life? I kept it at room temperature for 6 months. You think it'll still be effective?



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 08:50 PM

Bummer.  I would like to try the phosphate version and was about to pick up 5 grams.  I'm getting more and more concerned about RC quality though.

 

I just purchased some Tianeptine from a source I know to be reputable and had nearly NONE of the sides I had from cheap, ebay Tianeptine. 

 

To be fair to the ebay Tianeptine, it WAS at least mostly Tianeptine as I can vouch for taste and effect...but really made me wonder what else was in there!

 

 



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 09:29 PM

Here are a few thoughts I have to address some common (and a couple specific) comments and so forth. I wanted to knock this out over lunch because otherwise it's never gonna get done, so I'm not going to go back and quote anyone in particular.

 

1) NSI-189's primary mechanism of action is hippocampal neurogenesis. Probably not. This phase 1B data (please read the poster if you haven't seen it already) indicates a dramatic reduction in cortisol in both rapid and chronic responders. No cortisol response is shown in partial or non-responders. I imagine the neurogenesis helps with the long-term effects, though.

 

2) NSI-189 takes X days to act; any response faster than that is placebo. Probably false. My personal experience, for what it's worth, was extreme fatigue for days 1-3 and unprecedented depression relief at day 4. But better than that, refer to that phase 1B data again. There is a subgroup which shows response in both decreased cortisol and depression symptoms within the first 10 days (this was the smallest time step they used for repeat measurements, so it may have even been faster).

 

3) NSI-189 has anxiogenic effects in the short term for some. Possibly due to the spike in initial cortisol observed in a subset of the test group.

 

4) NSI-189 has longer-term anxiogenic/adrenergic/noradrenergic effects. Possibly due to cortisol suppression. Although it is regarded as the "stress hormone", cortisol in is released in response to elevated adrenaline only after several minutes. Its initial purpose is to protect both body and brain from the effects of too much adrenaline for too long. It's only with chronic, daily exposure to elevated levels that cortisol becomes harmful. Thus, perhaps, the reduced cortisol response amplifies the effects of adrenaline. I don't know, I feel great, but I had my anxiety dispatched almost entirely before taking NSI-189.

 

5) NSI-189 has anxiogenic/gastrointestinal effects. Even more speculative than points 3-4. There are tons of neurons in the gut, and some receptors and neurotransmitters there have been strongly linked to anxiety. In particular, activation of serotonin type 4 receptors in the gut can cause anxious behavior. I would be shocked if NSI-189 somehow "knew" only to affect the neurons in the brain... Anyway, I find taking NSI-189 sublingually after food eliminates any GI symptoms. Here is another cheap, safe, and easy possibility. (Or just eat more meat/dairy/eggs/legumes with your NSI)

 

6) Can I take NSI-189 with corticosteroids? Based on the MoA mentioned in 1), my advice would be: no. However, to expand on that, it'd be no, ditch the steroids for long term use!! I bet NSI-189 will have a better effect, long term, than steroids on autoimmune disease management (not so much acute flares), than corticosteroids, because it helps improve stress resistance, which is a big factor in autoimmunity. If you want to hear more of my amateur speculations please ask.

 

7) Will NSI-189 make me smarter? Yes, if the origin of your cognitive issues is related to stress, I would say so. The prefrontal cortex is a total diva when it comes to functioning under pressure.

 

8) What about the sharp U shaped curve? Do I have to get the dosing perfect? I doubt it. The sample size, if you look at the Phase 1B above, simply isn't large enough to draw such conclusions. 6 people took 120 mg and they had on average slightly less benefit than the 6 people on 80 mg. Well, damn, color me skeptical at the statistical significance of that result. For me, relatively large doses have worked better. I'm tempted to try a rapidly escalating dosage protocol when I receive the next batch of SL's stuff, if I do, I'll let you all know how it goes. (I don't intend to megadose long term, just would be interested to see how it feels)

 

9) NSI-189 makes me crave carbs. This is certainly possible. Cortisol increases gluconeogenesis (the production of glucose from protein and/or fats), and low carb dieters have been shown to have elevated cortisol (40% higher than low fat dieters; even low GI dieters, however, had a 20% increase relative to low fat). Thus it's not entirely impossible that lowering cortisol will increase the body's need for glucose in more readily available forms.

 

10) What are good adjuncts for NSI-189? Your mileage may vary, but I'm taking/eating/doing alpha-GPC, TAU, NALT, shilajit, B-vitamins (allithiamine, riboflavin, niacinamide, P5P, pyridoxine, pyritinol, methylcobalamin), mixed tocopherols (alas, I wish a tocopherol-free mixed tocotrienol existed), taurine, citrulline, K2, magnesium malate, selenomethionine, potassium iodide, zinc picolinate, boron (as borax), blueberries, liver, cod liver oil, lots of seafood, leafy greens, yoga, weights, punching bag, an 11 pm bedtime, and plenty of socializing with good results.

 

Edit: I lied, here are 2 more thoughts

11) Is NSI-189 all good? Here is one subtle side effect that I've noticed after being on it a while. There's stuff that's sort of just... inaccessible. Stupid little facts mostly. I struggle to remember certain actors' names, for example, when I used to just rattle off "Oh, Janeane Garofalo was in 'Clay Pigeons' with Vince Vaughn in '98". But it's not gone either, it's just not there right away. Usually I sleep on it and it pops into my head the next day. So I did a little digging and this turned up (along with a number of other papers). Could it explain what's happening? I don't know. It doesn't bother me, unlike the memory problems I was having 2 years ago, so I don't really care, ultimately.

 

12) What's next for your pet rat? Well, there are 2 ways I want to go, in terms of experimentation. The first is neurofeedback, which seems like it has the potential to be really fascinating.  The second is to combine TB4 and Dihexa, since they both act on the same receptor (hepatocyte growth factor), though TB4 is, I believe, a direct agonist whereas Dihexa is a positive allosteric modulator. I might throw in Cerebrolysin, because if you're injecting one thing, you might as well inject another. In my personal life, I'm working on starting a lifestyle-and-nutrition-centered health app and courses, while working as a postdoctoral researcher in quantum optomechanics and applying to finance jobs (might as well sell out big).

 

And now back to regularly scheduled life. If you'd like me to address something specific, or you have a comment, aside from posting it here please send me a PM so I know to come back and take a look (or you can find my email in my other super long post).


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Posted 02 February 2016 - 09:53 PM

 

Although the HPLC for the sample was 99.1% purity the results were not OK finding a second chemical present.


What is the second chemical present? Proportion?
This situation sucks. Every synthesis you've done, every time something's wrong. I hope we will settle with a trustworthy lab soon

 

 

Possibly a synthesis impurity, I do not have any other specific results from the GC/MS, was large enough to show up and did not pay extra to pursue it further.

 

To put things into perspective, I did not make a new synthesis, I was distributing from HHD, then after they run out of stock tried to find the best alternative, I made clear that I thought the new lab had a "diluted" batch, I offered free reshiping, and from that experience I am trying to make sure everythink is OK now!

 

The price I am giving it is half (at least, these days few sell it 3-4 times over) from anyone else secretly selling it on line and I am not aware of anyone doing third party testing either. Moreover loosing the last freebase batch in customs as I mentioned a few weeks ago, I pretty much have just enough money in my paypal to pay for one more lab testing. As this seller is pretty sure about purity I am going to test this last batch I shipped, although its the most expensive phosphate I found.

 

If you check in Reddit they are many nootropic companies that are blamed for low quality or even shipping wrong products, its my belief that 9/10 the problem is with the Chinese and not American retailers.


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Posted 02 February 2016 - 10:07 PM

Hello, I can do it, just have not received my envelope yet

 

Thank you, in the really rare case that is not lost hopefully you ll receive it even tomorrow. The lab was busy last time, but I am going to ask if we can speed up the proccess to get results faster.



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Posted 02 February 2016 - 11:21 PM

Bummer.  I would like to try the phosphate version and was about to pick up 5 grams.  I'm getting more and more concerned about RC quality though.

Just want to clarify the source I'm using is phosphate.



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Posted 03 February 2016 - 01:15 AM

Thanks for the clarification, Nick.  That makes things much easier!



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Posted 03 February 2016 - 10:08 AM

I still don't understand the issue. Since even the source admits the purity isn't 100%, weren't we expecting the lab to find at least another chemical present? Other than the purity, the only interesting part is knowing what that other chemical is.


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Posted 03 February 2016 - 06:09 PM

I still don't understand the issue. Since even the source admits the purity isn't 100%, weren't we expecting the lab to find at least another chemical present? Other than the purity, the only interesting part is knowing what that other chemical is.

 

No, from communicating with the lab the results was not close to the 99.1% expected, but could not be clear how far off as they do not have the NSI-189 spectrum needed for exact quantification. I am testing again because the source I shipped NSI-189 phosphate in the recent past appeared very confident in purity they provide. Although they are more expensive, if results come out OK, I ll be getting both phosphate and freebase strictly from them.


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Posted 03 February 2016 - 09:35 PM

I still don't understand the issue. Since even the source admits the purity isn't 100%, weren't we expecting the lab to find at least another chemical present? Other than the purity, the only interesting part is knowing what that other chemical is.

 

I agree—personally, I don’t have a problem with this at all. Even if the purity of the substance is hovering around the 99% mark, that seems to me to be perfectly acceptable, assuming that the remaining 1% is not anything harmful. And I seriously doubt that whatever impurities are present are harmful, or somebody would have noticed something by now and spoken up about it. I was and still am perfectly satisfied with the HHD product and the stuff from the second vendor, especially in light of the fact that Strangelove is selling it at a price that is substantially more affordable than anybody else’s. I’m just happy that Strangelove finally got it analyzed. The fact that the report came back at 99.1% doesn’t bother me one bit, and only ensures that Strangelove will get repeat business from me as soon as I want to obtain more of the substance.

 

ETA: It occurred to me that I should clarify what I was trying to say. When I received the NSI-189 from the second vendor, I was disconcerted by the fact that it differed organoleptically from every other sample of NSI-189 that I’ve ever seen. So far, I’ve seen NSI-189 from four sources: TLR, THT, HHD, and the second (“new”) supplier that Strangelove is buying from. The first three all looked and tasted exactly the same. The new stuff didn’t—it was far less “fluffy” than the other samples I’ve seen, and it wasn’t a pure white color. So now that I have confirmation that it is 99.1% NSI-189, I feel reassured, and I am now not hesitant to buy more.


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Posted 04 February 2016 - 12:04 AM

 

I still don't understand the issue. Since even the source admits the purity isn't 100%, weren't we expecting the lab to find at least another chemical present? Other than the purity, the only interesting part is knowing what that other chemical is.

 

I agree—personally, I don’t have a problem with this at all. Even if the purity of the substance is hovering around the 99% mark, that seems to me to be perfectly acceptable, assuming that the remaining 1% is not anything harmful. And I seriously doubt that whatever impurities are present are harmful, or somebody would have noticed something by now and spoken up about it. I was and still am perfectly satisfied with the HHD product and the stuff from the second vendor, especially in light of the fact that Strangelove is selling it at a price that is substantially more affordable than anybody else’s. I’m just happy that Strangelove finally got it analyzed. The fact that the report came back at 99.1% doesn’t bother me one bit, and only ensures that Strangelove will get repeat business from me as soon as I want to obtain more of the substance.

 

ETA: It occurred to me that I should clarify what I was trying to say. When I received the NSI-189 from the second vendor, I was disconcerted by the fact that it differed organoleptically from every other sample of NSI-189 that I’ve ever seen. So far, I’ve seen NSI-189 from four sources: TLR, THT, HHD, and the second (“new”) supplier that Strangelove is buying from. The first three all looked and tasted exactly the same. The new stuff didn’t—it was far less “fluffy” than the other samples I’ve seen, and it wasn’t a pure white color. So now that I have confirmation that it is 99.1% NSI-189, I feel reassured, and I am now not hesitant to buy more.

 

 

Thank you for the support Heisenburger, appreciated. I ll still test the phosphate batch I shipped this last month as the lab is confident of high purity, saying to go forward and test it, they do in house testing and guarantee purity. 

 

I got a couple PMs, but I ll just repeat it here one more time... I only got a sample from this other source, I have not shipped it to anyone. I decided testing this sample only due to the lower price offered. I have already contact the testing lab and they said they were busy and ll give results sooner this time. 

 

Edit: This is getting confusing when its not, anyone that want details just send a pm, Heisenburger the batch you are referring to is still another supplier I discontinued (kind of a hobby) but seriously I ll (hopefully) make sure that this source is legitimate and just get it from them. It now makes sense why Ceretropic invested a lot of money for in house testing equipment and staff.


Edited by Strangelove, 04 February 2016 - 12:40 AM.






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