Yes actually Ceretropic buys the vast majority of their chemicals from two Chinese labs that are the main producers/distributors for Nootropics and yes seemed to provide a NSI-189 analog too, I have written about this in the past.
Anyone that have read the whole thread could see that some had (not serious side effects)) all these years from all batches. Yes another member except muntjac got improvements in chronic pain from a damaged nerve in the arm, if you read this whole thread everyone will get a better view of what is going on with NSI-189.
I have worked in a company that had build a more or less exclusive business relationship with a single Chinese factory over the years. The quality control done was ridiculously extensive, considering it already was an independent company. They were giving them simple CAD files to make molds from, yet the Chinese would mess up the molds and the plastics so often, that they had to sent back and forth samples a dozen times before they got it right. They had to throw away entire batches, tens of thousands of products, that arrived here on a frequent basis. Regardless of that, it was still much much more profitable than domestic production. I talked to one of the lead workers from Shanghai once in person, he told me about their quasi standard 16 working hour days, and how he only needs 4 hours of sleep a day. Although the people I talked to spoke English very well, communication per email was extremely difficult. They just wouldn't be able to pay reasonably as much attention, as required to understand the message properly. You told them one thing, they either didn't do it at all, or understood something wrong about it. Probably every single worker in that factory shared the same kind of mentality. That's normal in Chinese businesses, I was told.
I don't know about Cereotropic internal affairs, if they ordered sample batches or what not. From what I gathered, all Chinese suppliers work just as unreliably. And how many unclean powders are dumped on Ebay for that matter, by unscrupulous sellers who know about it and shrug it off. I once received nicotine liquid that smelled like motor oil, tasted extremely strange, had the wrong coloration and viscosity for vegetable glycerine. I told him I would send his liquid to a lab, to find out whatever the fuck was wrong with it. The seller started making empty but serious threats against me, in order for me to keep my mouth shut about it. In the end I submitted to the sad fact, that no one can just order drugs from Ebay at all, under no circumstance. Its simply too dangerous.
Cereotropic was reputable imho. Its a large business with personal dedication and interests from what gathered. MrYouAreSoDumb on Reddit is involved in it, and "allegedly" takes or took many of the substances himself that are sold from there. The quantity and quality of his posts don't speak of marketing tactics and monetary interests at all, but rather humanistic motivations (as strange as it sounds). Cereotropic has at least in theory the powers and capacities to do, what I consider as necessary QC, with the Chinese. Of course, who knows what they are actually doing in that regard, or how good their business relationship with those two labs is.
With online drug sales, its the wild west out there. Everything considered, its just dreaming that any trustworthy company will start offering NSI-189 again. After all, Neuralstem would be after them immediately. Maybe a Russian version of Cereotropic could. But I doubt they would be any different, than any of the thousand of other profit mongers in the online sales business out there.
I fully agree that Strangelove is still the best source of NSI-189. And I am thankful for what he does, as it means a lot of effort.
I really believe that we should be paying Strangelove at least twice as much. So that he can throw away an entire batch, once something starts to turn out weird about it. Or that more testing can be done.
People report side-effects all the time, that is normal. I tried to get a complete list of side-effects from simply "placebo", such as nausea, fatigue, memory issues, liver failure, etc. - ordered from probable to improbable. But I hope you see where I am getting at. Those kinds of things happen to people even with inert pills - it doesn't mean that there is something inertly wrong about it.
To the contrary however, my subjective experience is my reality and I value it as highly as I try to exhaustively validate it. I put a lot of effort into learning about drugs online, getting on and off a drug, changing dosage from low to high, doing different administration routes, to train my nervous system to recognize the drugs effects and side-effects. From my POV, concerning my own body, what I experience has a whole lot more weight and solid grounds than a study with a thousand people.
So I put this information out here, to make the point that clean NSI-189 is like piracetam: a drug with zero side-effects, given rigorous consideration and exhaustive observation of the subjective experience. Placebo has a long list of side-effects that can be ruled out, once realized in nature. Just because some dude got liver failure on placebo, doesn't mean that its normal that this happened to you as well, as part of placebo's inherent biochemical effect. Its rather, absolutely impossible. And in exactly that sense, any occurrences of headaches, brainfog, fatigue, etc. should not be considered to be attributable to NSI-189's inherent effect. In order to not normalize and misattribute ill-effects that actually are the most likely to stem from impurities. Something that already happened by large and all odds to piracetam, thanks to people buying it off Ebay sellers and Shops that now disappeared from the face of the planet. With some serious cases as to leave permanent impairments behind after years of usage.
I mean, maybe I should write a Blog or something. Its not the right place to talk about that shit here. But it really should be in some "How to buy Drugs online 1*1" book.
Strangelove: I have taken drugs of all kinds in my life, probably several hundred. Like I said, I don't hallucinate from hallucinogens, and what I now experienced from NSI-189 is to be considered very minor.
Edited by Aolministrator, 22 February 2017 - 03:52 PM.
