53 replies to this topic

[Adaptogen]

This might be against some sort of rule, but does anyone know of a cheap/reputable vendor for 4 aco dmt?

[Healthy Tony]

This might be against some sort of rule, but does anyone know of a cheap/reputable vendor for 4 aco dmt?

I'm not sure that this is specifically against any rule, but out of curiousity why are you interested in obtaining this drug in the first place? I tried it once, and did not experience anything mildly nootropic about it.

[Adaptogen]

I really enjoy the effects of psilocybin mushrooms, and this is essentially that, just much cheaper and legal to purchase. Did you not enjoy your experience on it? From most of what Ive read it seems to be popular, some said it was there favorite of the tryptamines. I wouldn't say I'm looking for a nootropic effect but rather a therapeutic one. hallucinogenic drugs are powerful tools for psychedelic therapy..but anyway I found it for a very very very good price from a factory in china. So this will be literally 20 times cheaper than what i pay for shrooms.

[Psionic]

probably degrades too fast to 4-ho-dmt so thats reason why most vendors dont supply it

[Adaptogen]

it lasts 4-6 hours, and someone said they kept it in their freezer for two years and it was still potent

[MangekyōPeter]

I've tried it and I can surely say it has some nootropic values, as well as some of the most mellow yet enlightening shroom like effects but with some subtle differences.

It's definitely a substance that's worth to be thoroughly tested.

[golden1]

most boards associated with "research chemicals" don't even allow sourcing, so the topic seems kind of out of place here..

[Healthy Tony]

I really enjoy the effects of psilocybin mushrooms, and this is essentially that, just much cheaper and legal to purchase. Did you not enjoy your experience on it? From most of what Ive read it seems to be popular, some said it was there favorite of the tryptamines. I wouldn't say I'm looking for a nootropic effect but rather a therapeutic one. hallucinogenic drugs are powerful tools for psychedelic therapy..but anyway I found it for a very very very good price from a factory in china. So this will be literally 20 times cheaper than what i pay for shrooms.

My experience with it was a bit less positive than most. I took 10mg and found it to be a bit overwhelming for the first 5 hours. At about 7-8h into the experience I felt an intense sadness that lasted for the next several hours. Mushrooms have helpped me quite a bit psychologically, so I would never criticize you for trying this method of therapy; however, I haven't found this to be the ideal tool for me.

[LeonardElijah]

ha ha ha.... I have to look this up. It looks like a derivative similar to di-propyl-tryptamine, legal and muted. Time to check TiKAL.

[Adaptogen]

astro lab is so expensive. im looking for $50-80 a gram. some chinese manufacturers told me as little as 10 a gram, but they are probably scammi

[golden1]

you won't get it even in bulk for 10$ a gram as far as i know(maybe, but we're talking 100g+minimum order if anything for that price/g), so don't do that. if you don't know about it safeorscam.com is very useful to check if a website you found is legitimate. now I'll leave you on your own : P

[Adaptogen]

i told them i wanted a sample for purity analysis and would later make a larger bulk order of several kg. safeorscam has probably 1% or the websites in the world. not a single vendor i have seen was on it

[qemist]

$10/g is probably unrealistic. 0.5g 4-AcO-DMT goes for 8.5 BTC on BMR.

[Adaptogen]

you should have seen the prices these chinese "factories" were quoting me with. $200 for a kilogram, how could they even quote me a price like that. I don't think I will ever use tradekey or lookchem again. i ended up purchasing from biochemdistributionco for roughly $110/gram

[golden1]

that isn't a bad price

[medievil]

astro lab is so expensive. im looking for $50-80 a gram. some chinese manufacturers told me as little as 10 a gram, but they are probably scammi

Its a good source tough excellent service and quality.

[renfr]

What is the solubility of 4 aco dmt?

[medievil]

Look that up on bluelight or so

[Adaptogen]

it dissolves on my tongue well enough

[renfr]

Yeah it does, but I'm looking to dissolve all the stuff so that I can measure precisely what I take.
It's too risky to try dissolving it if you don't know whether it's soluble or not, what if all the stuff stays on the bottom this could cause a massive overdose and result in heavy convulsions and death.
Some say it should dissolve in water but it degrades very fastly, others says it could be kept in alcohol.
I would like to try it out but I don't have a lot of it in my stash.

[Adaptogen]

you don't have a milligram scale? i got a digital one on ebay for $5 shipped to america from china that works good. the toxicity of 4acodmt is extremely low, just like regular mushrooms

[renfr]

you don't have a milligram scale? i got a digital one on ebay for $5 shipped to america from china that works good. the toxicity of 4acodmt is extremely low, just like regular mushrooms

$5 really? can you link to it?
I know it's hardly toxic but the stuff is kinda expensive (28€ for 100mg).

[Adaptogen]

i payed $65 usd for 500mg from biochemdistribution.ca

http://www.ebay.com/...984.m1439.l2649 it was actually $8 but still a great deal

[Raza]

That's a centigram scale. =P

The cheapest miligram scale I've found on the net is on dx.com for around 22$, with free shipping.

[Adaptogen]

ah you got me!...try this, $12.56 for a milligram scale http://www.ebay.com/...=item2c690f0ed4

[Raza]

Awesome. I just bought that; my old mg scale was getting quirky, and at that price I can afford to retire it early.

ETA also added +1 for naming a vendor that'll ship acetylpsilocin to my location. You've been very helpful to me ITT.

Edited by Raza, 21 November 2012 - 11:11 PM.

[Adaptogen]

glad i could be of assistance

[Tukotih Doji]

Thought I would post some links on the memory-enhancing effect of psilocybin and synthetic relatives.
For starters, here is a great high-quality thread on drugs-forum discussing the matter at somewhat advanced level:
http://www.drugs-for...ad.php?t=120701

"Implications for psychedelic-assisted psychotherapy: functional magnetic resonance imaging study with psilocybin."
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/22282432

RESULTS:
Robust activations to the memories were seen in limbic and striatal regions in the early phase and the medial prefrontal cortex in the late phase in both conditions (P<0.001, whole brain cluster correction), but there were additional visual and other sensory cortical activations in the late phase under psilocybin that were absent under placebo. Ratings of memory vividness and visual imagery were significantly higher after psilocybin (P<0.05) and there was a significant positive correlation between vividness and subjective well-being at follow-up (P<0.01).

CONCLUSIONS:
Evidence that psilocybin enhances autobiographical recollection implies that it may be useful in psychotherapy either as a tool to facilitate the recall of salient memories or to reverse negative cognitive biases.

Here is one on the attention-lowering:

Using psilocybin to investigate the relationship between attention, working memory, and the serotonin 1A and 2A receptors.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/16269092

Increasing evidence suggests a link between attention, working memory, serotonin (5-HT), and prefrontal cortex activity. In an attempt to tease out the relationship between these elements, this study tested the effects of the hallucinogenic mixed 5-HT1A/2A receptor agonist psilocybin alone and after pretreatment with the 5-HT2A antagonist ketanserin. Eight healthy human volunteers were tested on a multiple-object tracking task and spatial working memory task under the four conditions: placebo, psilocybin (215 microg/kg), ketanserin (50 mg), and psilocybin and ketanserin. Psilocybin significantly reduced attentional tracking ability, but had no significant effect on spatial working memory, suggesting a functional dissociation between the two tasks. Pretreatment with ketanserin did not attenuate the effect of psilocybin on attentional performance, suggesting a primary involvement of the 5-HT1A receptor in the observed deficit. Based on physiological and pharmacological data, we speculate that this impaired attentional performance may reflect a reduced ability to suppress or ignore distracting stimuli rather than reduced attentional capacity. The clinical relevance of these results is also discussed.

Please note that however confusing it may sound, psilocybin (and relatives, possibly most 5-HT2A agonists) actually decreases brain activity in certain regions which then triggers less controlled firing in other parts, causing hallucinogenic effects, I did not obtain this info from a purely scientific source so do your own research before considering it a fact!

I have access to certain specific 5-HT2A agonists (the 25X-NBOMe series) and I've experienced nootropic effects and been tempted to use them in low-doses on a normal day but I haven't had the time. Great self-analytical tools overall, like most psychedelics. Note that I've not experienced the same attention-lowering from selective full 5-HT2A agonist 25I-NBOMe as with shrooms and synthetic analogs such as 4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-MET, this complies well with the results from the study linked above and I'd love it if it got some more attention, because there is something magical about that 5-HT2A receptor, most psychedelics target it, but none does it selectively like 25I-NBOMe.

WARNING!
Be aware that the 25X-NBOMe series are highly potent psychedelics active in doses less than 100mcg, 1mg can be an overdose so use volumetric measuring, know your (body)chemistry and psychedelics before obtaining this chemical.

Edited by Tukotih Doji, 22 November 2012 - 02:48 PM.

[Raza]

Good post. If you like, you should cross-post that in the nootropic/therapeutic use of psychedelics thread, since it concerns more than 4-aco-dmt: http://www.longecity...treshold-doses/

Edited by Raza, 22 November 2012 - 02:55 PM.

[Tukotih Doji]

Good post. If you like, you should cross-post that in the nootropic/therapeutic use of psychedelics thread, since it concerns more than 4-aco-dmt: http://www.longecity...treshold-doses/

I will, thanks for the tip.