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[PWAIN]

Mind, if there is even an outside chance that he is suffering, I think you should have him put to sleep. It is one thing to extend life and another to extend suffering.

[mikeinnaples]

Like people do at times for other people, sometimes pets willingly suffer for their people too. It is a big decision to decide to end the life of your best friend for his/her own good, and it is never a proper decision as long as the pet is willing to bear the burden. Most pets will let you know one way or another that they are ready, and as long as your are thinking clearly and not in denial about it, this is a good rule to follow.

[Mind]

Mind, if there is even an outside chance that he is suffering, I think you should have him put to sleep. It is one thing to extend life and another to extend suffering.

We are watching this closely. We do not want Lynx to suffer unnecessarily. He doesn't seem to be in pain, mainly lethargic and thin. I have no doubt he "feels" ill, but he still gets around. He still sits on our laps. He still purrs a little.

We had a cat die of cancer of the throat a few years ago and we definitely knew when it was time to end the suffering.

[Logic]

Sigh...

The nice thing about coconut oil is that you can at least try it without worries about side effects.
The that can happen is a little egg on one's face if it works...

[Mind]

Sigh...

The nice thing about coconut oil is that you can at least try it without worries about side effects.
The that can happen is a little egg on one's face if it works...

We have been giving him a little bit of coconut oil. For calories and infection purposes.

[Mind]

Lynx made it through another week, but I don't want to give anyone the impression that things are better. Stable is about the best thing right now. Still no obvious indications of what is wrong. He still eats a little bit of his special high calorie food each day. He got his C60 again this week. I also included a picture of him enjoying some sunlight.

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Edited by Mind, 18 February 2013 - 07:55 PM.

[Logic]

We have been giving him a little bit of coconut oil. For calories and infection purposes.

Yay!

Have you considered Telomerase Activators?
Perhaps Solgar's Astragalus Extract and Ginko Biloba?

[xEva]

Sigh...

The nice thing about coconut oil is that you can at least try it without worries about side effects.
The that can happen is a little egg on one's face if it works...

We have been giving him a little bit of coconut oil. For calories and infection purposes.

How do you give him coconut oil? I thought that cats dislike fats and I would not even dream of feeding mine coconut oil with its distinctive smell -?

Our cat would not eat anything but friskies. She does not eat raw or cooked turkey or fish. Only friskies I think they add some artificial taste enhancers, similar to human junk food, and cats get hooked on it. And she is an ex-feral cat who lived in the woods the first year of her life..

[PWAIN]

I always laugh when people say what their cat won't eat. MILs cat was also very fussy until she stayed with aunt for 3 months. Came home eating potato and bread and whatever was served. Seems that fussy only lasts so long when hungry enough.

[Mind]

I just mixed the coconut oil with the regular food. Only a small amount so it wouldn't affect the flavor too much. Cats generally have sensitive stomachs and since we are trying to get lynx to eat more food, it would be unwise to try to feed him something that would upset his stomach. As PWAIN mentioned, cats can be fussy, but they will eat any brand of food if they get hungry.

As far as fats go, cats are obligate carnivores, so most of the food they would prefer to eat has plenty of fat in it. Most store foods are not too natural for cats, containing a lot of grain meal, but they seem to do ok on such diets.

[marcobjj]

maybe probiotics could help? like opening a capsule of Acidophillus on his milk.

[Hebbeh]

Could your cat's loss of appetite and resulting weight loss with other symptoms of being less active be due to pain of osteoarthritis? Could osteoarthritis of the jaw contribute to difficulty in eating?

More than 80 percent of cats older than 11 years have osteoarthritis, which frequently affects their elbows, backs, hips and joints in the hind limbs, according to lead study author Eric Troncy. Cats with arthritis may become less active, be reluctant to jump and suffer pain when being petted.

http://www.scienceda...30219090641.htm

Diagnosis and Treatment Now Possible for Osteoarthritic Cats


Feb. 19, 2013 — Scientists at the University of Montreal's Quebec Research Group in Animal Pharmacology have found a way to recognize and treat osteoarthritis in cats -- a condition that the owner might not notice and that can make even petting painful. "Osteoarthritis frequently affects cats' elbows, backs and hips and joints in the hind limbs, and its prevalence increases dramatically with age. More than 80 % of cats older than 11 years old have it," explained lead author Eric Troncy of the university's Faculty of Veterinary Medicine. "Despite the fact that cats are the most popular pet in North America, nobody had found a way to easily diagnose and treat cat osteoarthritis. We used our knowledge of cat behaviour and worked with experts in human osteoarthritis to develop a diagnosis tool and test an effective medication: meloxicam." Osteoarthritis induces chronic pain that results in a decrease in cat's daily activity, a reluctance to jump and other behaviours that owners may notice.

The researchers examined 120 cats and found that 39 were suffering from osteoarthritis. They established an evaluation chart for measuring the cats' pain by looking at their kinetic gait analysis, which reveals impairment in their limbs, their daily activity as recorded by an accelerometer, and how sensitive the cat is to touch by testing what level of force will cause the cat to withdraw its paw.
Once the researchers had standardized their evaluation tools, they proceeded to the treatment part of the study. For 74 days, a control group was fed a placebo while the others were fed different dosages of meloxicam. Meloxicam is an anti-inflammatory drug that is already used in the treatment of other animals. "Our study demonstrated that daily oral meloxicam administration over four weeks provided various levels of pain relief, depending on the amount of the drug the cat was given. Cats that were in treated with the high dosage continued to enjoy pain relief for five weeks after dosage stopped. None of the cats had any side-effects," Professor Troncy said. "As expected, the drug unfortunately does not appear to reduce pain associated with touch, such as stroking -- the same flawing occurs in hypersensitive osteoarthritic people treated with anti-inflammatory drugs."
The study opens a range of possibilities for the application of the findings. "The touch hypersensitivity occurrence rate of 30% in our osteoarthritic cats sample is quite similar to what is reported in osteoarthritis-affected human beings. In pain research and development, we have so desperately looked for validated translational experimental models, when they could be here, in front of us, with natural diseases in pet animals," Troncy said.
Nevertheless, the cats were able to regain the rest of their normal life. "Unalleviated chronic pain induces functional limitations, contributes to behaviour troubles and loss of the human-animal bond leading potentially to pet euthanasia or surrender," Troncy explained. "The development of adapted therapy protocols to correctly treat arthritis associated chronic pain will provide a better quality of life particularly in older cats and will in turn have a direct impact on owners, as their cat will be more active and sociable." The researchers will now start looking at how brain scans may further improve our understanding of pain in cats, particularly with regards to the neurophysiological hypersensitive process.
Meloxicam will be considered for use in cats by the Europe Medicines Agency on April, 2013.


Journal References:

• Maxim Moreau, Martin Guillot, Jean-Pierre Pelletier, Johanne Martel-Pelletier, Éric Troncy. Kinetic peak vertical force measurement in cats afflicted by coxarthritis: Data management and acquisition protocols. Research in Veterinary Science, 2013; DOI: 10.1016/j.rvsc.2013.01.020
  
• M. Guillot, M. Moreau, M. Heit, J. Martel-Pelletier, J.-P. Pelletier, E. Troncy. Characterization of osteoarthritis in cats and meloxicam efficacy using objective chronic pain evaluation tools. The Veterinary Journal, 2013; DOI: 10.1016/j.tvjl.2013.01.009

http://consumer.heal....asp?AID=673622

Anti-inflammatory drug meloxicam provided pain relief, but not from petting, in study


FRIDAY, Feb. 22 (HealthDay News) -- Researchers say they have found a way to diagnose and treat osteoarthritis in cats.
The researchers, from the University of Montreal, examined 120 cats and found that 39 had osteoarthritis. The team established methods to evaluate how much arthritis-related pain the cats had and how the disease affected their movement.
Next, the researchers tested the anti-inflammatory drug meloxicam and found that it provided various levels of pain relief depending on dosage levels. Cats that were given the highest dosage of the drug for four weeks continued to have pain relief for five weeks after they stopped receiving the drug, which caused no side effects.
Although meloxicam provided pain relief for cats with osteoarthritis, it did not reduce pain associated with touch, such as petting, according to the study, which was published Feb. 13 in the journal Research in Veterinary Science.
Meloxicam is already used to treat other animals. In April, the European Medicines Agency will consider the use of meloxicam in cats.
More than 80 percent of cats older than 11 years have osteoarthritis, which frequently affects their elbows, backs, hips and joints in the hind limbs, according to lead study author Eric Troncy. Cats with arthritis may become less active, be reluctant to jump and suffer pain when being petted.
"Despite the fact that cats are the most popular pet in North America, nobody had found a way to easily diagnose and treat cat osteoarthritis," Troncy said in a university news release.
Osteoarthritis is the most common form of arthritis in humans.
More information
The U.S. National Institute of Arthritis and Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases has more about osteoarthritis.

-- Robert Preidt

SOURCE: University of Montreal, news release, Feb. 13, 2013

Edited by Hebbeh, 23 February 2013 - 02:34 PM.

[Franck Blau]

Please try to buy the Dr.Clark herbal mixture for parasite cleansing. It cures everything!
The one I bought here in Germany comes in 500 ml bottles and is called Juglandis. I think one can find it also on amazon.
You should also try to get Artemesia Absynthium (Wormwood) and fresh Cloves.
Make a very strong tea with 2 tbls sp o wormwood and 50 gr of cloves.
Mix with Juglandis (3-4 drops) in 0,4 ml in a syringe then spray it in his mouthh if he refuses to lick from your hand.
One of my cats loves the bitter taste of it and licks my hand clean.
You must give him that every day and in a short time he will be cured from whatever he has.
I cured mouth herpes with this treatment after the first dose!
Hope all goes well with Linx and try to keep up with the C60, I really have faith on it!
The parasites are the cause of his problems. Get rid of these parasites and he will be well again!

Edited by Franck Blau, 23 February 2013 - 10:36 PM.

[AgeVivo]

He got his C60 again this week. I also included a picture of him enjoying some sunlight.

Just passing by he looks fluorescent on the picture now ;-)

[Mind]

Thanks for all the suggestions. I will look into the possibilities and alternative treatments. He had one of his C60oo doses today.

For now Lynx is stable. He seems to be eating slightly more than previous weeks. He isn't drooling as much. His eyes are also slightly better. He is walking around the house more and wanting to go outside. Still, he ins't anywhere close too being his old self. He isn't "cured" by any means. We are just happy he hasn't regressed. One problem is that he doesn't use the litter box much. We are of course happy to see that he has semi-normal bowel movements and urination, but of course it is an extra choore picking up and cleaning up after him.

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[MrHappy]

This is a good experiment, I hope your cat gets better.

My cat is 14 and starting to show signs of disease. In the past the vet has told us they found crystals in his urine, so I suspect he has minor kidney problems. He does not eat much anymore and acts a little funny. I have started giving him 400mg 98% resveratrol (almost daily, or at least when I can get manage to sneak it into his food.)

This can happen if the cat isn't drinking enough.

Cats don't like drinking near where they eat - the water bowl needs to be out of visual range of the food bowl.

[Adaptogen]

hmm interesting, I've never heard that before. why is this? We have kept his water near his food bowl his entire life so I imagine he is probably accustomed to it by now.

[MrHappy]

hmm interesting, I've never heard that before. why is this? We have kept his water near his food bowl his entire life so I imagine he is probably accustomed to it by now.

Usually, they just don't drink much, instead.

Do you find him drinking from random things around the house?

My furry bastard drinks nearly 1L per day.

[Franck Blau]

my cats never used to drink so much water as they drink nowadays. I used to give them tap water but they hated it!
then I found a brand of water that has no chlorine and fluoride in it and they love it!!! they drink loads nowadays!!
i think it´s ok if we humans want to poison ourselves with these chemicals, but why should we force our pets to this?

[Franck Blau]

I was thinking something about C60 and I hope this can be usefull.
If the cat is sick due to parasite infestation and he´s getting C60 with the hope of extending his life,
maybe one ought to get rid of the parasites first cause they might be getting a life extension themselves?
What I have learned from Dr.Clark´s books is that we are all infested with many parasites, who are dying to
enter our blood stream and create havock. Just one look in youtube, one could find many videos showing
human parasites occupying the intestines. These parasites are only looking for the right chemical solvent to
break their eggshells. Some 100 years ago, before the exploration of petrol chemicals, we did not have
all these solvents in abundance, therefore people did not die from the diseases of today!

[AgeVivo]

then I found a brand of water that has no chlorine and fluoride in it and they love it!!!

what brand? that could be good here

[Franck Blau]

Vittel water but Highland Springs is also good, I heard.
Evian, unfortunately has gotten a lot of radiation during Chernobyl!

[niner]

Evian, unfortunately has gotten a lot of radiation during Chernobyl!

Radiation is very easy to measure, even at extremely low levels. If Evian is being sold in Germany, I really doubt that it's radioactive.

What's Evian spelled backwards?

[maxwatt]

Evian comes from deep springs, not likely to be contaminated by radiation in surface water.

[Mind]

Another week and Lynx is about the same. He is not much better, but not regressing as far as we can tell. The one improvement is that he has more of an appetite. Still, he has trouble eating (the drooling problem mentioned earlier). Hard to diagnose, because he was always a very slow eater, but it is almost as if he had a stroke (or brain tumor) and it is causing trouble in his throat and mouth area, like he has trouble using those muscle, like when a person has a stroke and loses function in half of their face. C60oo is highly unlikely to fix his problem, but maybe it has given him a boost in other areas of vitality.

Something that has helped in recent days is that we are washing his face, neck and paws. Because he drools a lot, he is getting food-n-stuff on hi paws and neck and he doesn't clean himself very well. That might have been why his eyes were getting more mucus. He was trying to use his paws to wipe his head and was then getting food and dirt in his eyes. His eyes are now more clear that we have been washing him every day.

The soft high calorie "critical care" food has really helped out, IMO.

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[YOLF]

Glad to hear Lynx isn't regressing.

As I understand, our stomachs aren't able to digest food as well as we age. I've personally found that fasting can improve digestion (especially if you are sensitive and that's all you eat during the fast). Maybe this would help Lynx? Maybe he's too old? I was also still taking vitamins while fasting though. C60 and periodic administration of a serving of Vitakitty snacks a day for a week? They use flaxseed oil in the chicken flavor which will inhibit storage fats as well.

[pleb]

after reading Minds posts about Lynx, i suggested to a friend whose cat is about 4 years old that she try giving a very small amount to her cat but even the slightest drop mixed with various foods mostly the sachet wet type quite often with a high proportion of oil in them which she normally loves, tuna sardine salmon and the wetter meat types, she takes one lick and refuses to eat it

Edited by pleb, 09 March 2013 - 09:57 AM.

[niner]

after reading Minds posts about Lynx, i suggested to a friend whose cat is about 4 years old that she try giving a very small amount to her cat but even the slightest drop mixed with various foods mostly the sachet wet type quite often with a high proportion of oil in them which she normally loves, tuna sardine salmon and the wetter meat types, she takes one lick and refuses to eat it

Probably doesn't like the taste of the polyphenols. Is this a commercial c60-oo, or one that you made? If you mixed up a batch using a "light" olive oil (low polyphenol, very bland taste), the cat would probably accept it.

[Mind]

If you mixed up a batch using a "light" olive oil (low polyphenol, very bland taste), the cat would probably accept it.

An idea for all the budding entrepreneurs out there.

[pleb]

its my home brew, sadly (for the cat ) it is one of the light types as i also can't stand the taste of the stronger flavoured virgin oil, so have used the light mild Napolina oil, but thanks for the suggestion,

Edited by pleb, 09 March 2013 - 03:35 PM.