Hello Amicha
Indeed. Ray's atempt at allowing pictures on site failed utterly duie to programming u
But QA was indeed coined on Kurzweilai.net frums (on the old MINDX site and I have indeed whipped enthusiasm for it..mainly to examine it;s maxims and propositions for truthfulness.
Futurism including Transhumanism, Extropianism and Cryonicism... are all arguements to the future -- banned in philosophy since they are all empirically unprovable in argument.
I want to step down from maintaining tracks and a commentary on it and accelerate a Superintelligence build which has entered the construiction phase after 15 years of theoretical work at London Artificial Intelligence Club.
LondonAIClub(Prof Nick Bostrom @ Oxford has a book
Superintelligence' out with OUP 2013 due now, based I think on his paper on Superintelligence see wiki.
Quantum Archaeology tries to formalize Frank Tipler's position on resurrection at the Omega point of the universe.
QA assumes retrodiction is possible with sufficient calculation power (which is generally a mix of physical state machines and symbolic notation)
QA contribution to scientific resurrection is that it looks likely in 20-40 years.
This is not spurious:
We are making facial reconstructions (on the outside of skills) from bone fragments good enough for those who knew the deceased to identity them.
We can do this beciase of knowledge of what the outside of the skull...the face....has to do and the limiots of what it can be.
The inside of the skull..the brain...can be - partly - similarly constructed.
The brain has long been held a mysery because it is not evident whereas the face is apparent.
THe 3 objetions to Quantum Archaeology - being debated at kurzweilai.net forums now, are crucial to the success of the early idea, but not part of the details.
I'm sure you understand the thrill of discovery , and the idea that men are not in fact dead is certainly amazing.
Tipler shoud not be condemned for Christianity by thinkers in his resurrection thesis, but marvelled that he could attempt to describe resurrection as part of sceince.
Quantum Archaeology isn't a relgious thing though and doesn't reference relgion once in it;s main artcle gathered from various debates..some of them here....where russian cosmists were introduced to it.
I was atending an autopsy a while ago and wondered if the actualy body was needed to resurrect the person...inside the actual body or a copy such as ther RNA copies...
or some other composition.like a ball of lightnight for instance.
How could a dead and cremenated person be recovered?
Scientists told me heat was converted at cremeation into irreciverable dissolution of information loss (to tripple emphasise the pont)
But this is not so.
Stanford Proferssor
Leonard Susskind , for instance - someone whose graops on physics is Herculean states
"Information is incapable of being destroyed...that is the deepest physics I know"
I have taken that quote from his online YouTube lectures.
This was NOT the positionb helsd by most physicis when Quantum Archaeology began over a decade ago (most scientists subscribed to entropy and information destruction esp in black holes)
Death and esp[ecially Resurction or afterlife is a theme in man's social organisation pre-history (as far as we can guess)
It;s litreature dominates many religions.
There can be no genetic knowledge of death if you think about it for a moment!
So the whole idea of funreals and fear or superstition or even mitigation is tenuous, and dependent upon massive iontellectual feats of calculation.
We cant have any intuitive grasp of it - because those who die dont tell to fear nor overcome it.
They are necessarily incapable of even defining it.
But the death industry is MASSIVE.all built by the lioving who have not one ounze of knowelde of being being dead.
It is the worst arguemewnt fromgnorance in thge whole of philosophy since it is pervasive in society and not a man has experience of it.
The general beleif..not founded on experience but by the metaphore of loss...is verging on lunacy.
Your idea of death is currently one of loss of someone else, not of your own self...it seems to me?
Even the idea of what you think of and observe as death in other, loss and speration, or even you dead (infinitely harder because it cannot be evidence based) is too difficult for most but university professors lik Parfitt to stab at.
The cryonics and transhumanist groups are the advance guard of the human race in foresight and probably in intellect.
Death - or the absence of it - is the theme about which extropan transhumanists gather.
But it is not empirical.
Science and Religion have become adversaries, and I doubt if that could have been the intention of early sceintists who were pretty much exclusively relgious men...including Newton and Darwin...though not Einstein.
What I hope is the best of both (and sceince has some probloems in it too) can be ladelled off to push Man forward into a happier and fundamentaly Truer philosophy.
Truth may be unknowable. But it may not be!
One can at least try to get better approximations by Method.
I never asked Robert Ettinger how he came to invent cryonics, but I'll guess it was because of his Nation's majority beleif systems, which embraced resurrection.
He almost cetrtainly thought
"How can all these men whom I admire and respect be wrong about resurrection?" and how is it that Human Imagination and Projection...if that is what religion is - is in confluct with science?
Edited by stopgam, 18 February 2013 - 07:09 PM.
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