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[Julia36]

"Information is incapable of being destroyed " Prof Leonard Susskind Stanford



Laws are true for the rock which moves by gravity, and the archaeologist who moves by accumulated complexity



this is easily illustrated by the Venus fly-trap:



Loads of such tactics combine to give man 'intelligence' and the illusion of free will:



We must study the laws, and chart the quantum archaeology grid
as we charted the oceans and the heavens.

Laws are true for the man and for the rock.

[platypus]

2. There are enough event points (artefact) in the present, to calculate the whole of the relevant past.

What exactly makes you think that there are "enough event points" to do that?

There are MORE event points in the present than the past.There is greater complexity and it is MUCH simpler to trace the past than capture the present.

So what makes you think that there are enough "event points" in the past to make things not underdetermined? Please say something concrete and use numbers and/or formulas if possible.

[Julia36]

Laws...which are absolute dictates, limits of free movements and definiotion-descriptions, hold and state the macro world of relativeity, and the micro-world of the cell.

Harvard inner life of the cell



No-one suggests the quantum world (under 100 nanometres) is not governed by the laws of physics.

We just don't know many yet.

When we find them every part of a man 9guessed to be down to 5 nanometres) will be retrievable by computation.






But thinkers should know that Quantum Theory was invented by a man of religion Max Planck


and when Einstein laughed it it as an explanation, Einstein was not a doddery old codger, but at the height of his powers in 1912:
"The more success Quantum Theory has the sillier it looks"

Quantum Theory --not quantum events --- is in direct conflict with the rest of science.

They cant both be right.

Edited by Innocent, 11 June 2013 - 05:26 PM.

[Julia36]

2. There are enough event points (artefact) in the present, to calculate the whole of the relevant past.

What exactly makes you think that there are "enough event points" to do that?

There are MORE event points in the present than the past.There is greater complexity and it is MUCH simpler to trace the past than capture the present.

So what makes you think that there are enough "event points" in the past to make things not underdetermined? Please say something concrete and use numbers and/or formulas if possible.

The past is finished unless you evoke time travel.

we cant get to it.

QA takes events like archaeology artefacts and calculates back to the past.

It;s a map.

But a map that's accurate.

Even in our society, men's lives are won or lost by deduction eg in a court trial for murder.

Oscar Pistorius is about to be condemned or freed based on logic calculating into the past.

the science is not for me to do as a philospoher.

QA is addictive and I should have left here by now.
gifs are fun.


Everything is determined. It is determined for the insect as well as the star. Einstein.



It is no surprise to me that Quantum Theory gives a special place to the observer 9misunderstanding Einstein's relativity) and lumps in consciousness, free will and an Intelligent mind behind it all.

Afraid the explanation is barking, but the quantum events are fascinating...we need to explain what;s going on causally.

"IV. THE CORE OF THE SIMULATION ARGUMENT

The basic idea of this paper can be expressed roughly as follows: If there were a substantial chance that our civilization will ever get to the posthuman stage and run many ancestor-simulations, then how come you are not living in such a simulation?
We shall develop this idea into a rigorous argument. Let us introduce the following notation:

: Fraction of all human-level technological civilizations that survive to reach a posthuman stage

: Average number of ancestor-simulations run by a posthuman civilization

: Average number of individuals that have lived in a civilization before it reaches a posthuman stage

The actual fraction of all observers with human-type experiences that live in simulations is then

Writing for the fraction of posthuman civilizations that are interested in running ancestor-simulations (or that contain at least some individuals who are interested in that and have sufficient resources to run a significant number of such simulations), and for the average number of ancestor-simulations run by such interested civilizations, we have

and thus:

(*)

Because of the immense computing power of posthuman civilizations, is extremely large, as we saw in the previous section. By inspecting (*) we can then see that at least one of the following three propositions must be true:

(1)

(2)

(3)

"

from Nick Bostrom's work @ Oxford
http://www.simulatio...simulation.html


can calculate the events in a man at a moment in time:

then moving during a lifetime.
Then the events oin the environment and computations to cross check with each other.

Then the limiting/
elimination rules

etc



So it;s basically Mapping what you can in the present.

2. Entering the known laws of physics

3. Cross checking

and out will pop an equation for whomever you want.

It should be more accurate than RNA copying as we can control the software.

By 2020's Machine Intelligence will take over doig this and you will just tell your device to calculate map and 3D print your dead person.

Edited by Innocent, 11 June 2013 - 06:04 PM.

[Julia36]

Ooops that resurrection didn't work

[Julia36]

The nature of data is irrelvant.

If you find the laws of physics, you can trace its past.

Waves or particles, or other.



There's tons of stuff out there, but as long as Information is incapable of destruction- now thought true in physics- we can reassemble the dead

[Julia36]

So I think we've got MAX to 2045 (Kurzweil Singularity data) before we resurrect but my guess it's possible by 2027 (based on quantum computers and A.I.

io9 has a great article for the uniformed on Singularity Man:



7 Totally Unexpected Outcomes That Could Follow the Singularity

http://io9.com/7-tot...e-sin-512600550

A.I. start-ups are happening again after a long winter where no-one would fund them.


fantastic AI start up today:

http://www.businessi...-million-2013-6


When machine intelligence hits massive recursion and self-build/improvement, then we hit the knee of teh curve and the galaxy could be reached in a couple of weeks.

The Dead will rise.

You are incapable of death.

Information is incapable of destruction.
The universe is governed by laws.
Man is described in data that can be retraced after death.

Edited by Innocent, 11 June 2013 - 11:38 PM.

[platypus]

Ok so lets get to specifics, for example a lotto-machine where a few dozen balls bounce around and then a few of them are drawn out to generate the winning numbers. Now:

1) You know the winning numbers (for example 37-12-2-6-23-26-27)
2) You know the make of the lotto machine
3) You know the name of the person who operated the machine
4) You know that the lotto-machine was in a room behind closed doors
5) Initially that is all you know.

Now, tell me how are you going to reconstruct the trajectory of the balls inside the lotto machine. According to your timeline, this should be possible in a few years, maximum 10, which is just a blink of an eye in technological terms. Tell me what you need to "simulate" those trajectories, i.e. construct an experiment trying to do just that. You may user whatever equipment available today or in the foreseeable future to conduct your experiment. How will you do it? This could be an X-Price for QA in 2020, unless it's practically impossible.

[Julia36]

Ok so lets get to specifics, for example a lotto-machine where a few dozen balls bounce around and then a few of them are drawn out to generate the winning numbers. Now:

1) You know the winning numbers (for example 37-12-2-6-23-26-27)
2) You know the make of the lotto machine
3) You know the name of the person who operated the machine
4) You know that the lotto-machine was in a room behind closed doors
5) Initially that is all you know.

Now, tell me how are you going to reconstruct the trajectory of the balls inside the lotto machine. According to your timeline, this should be possible in a few years, maximum 10, which is just a blink of an eye in technological terms. Tell me what you need to "simulate" those trajectories, i.e. construct an experiment trying to do just that. You may user whatever equipment available today or in the foreseeable future to conduct your experiment. How will you do it? This could be an X-Price for QA in 2020, unless it's practically impossible.

O I c where ur coming from Platypus

NB: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ..............Quantum Archaeology isn't Theory...its already happening..<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

we've already resurrected micro-organisms 100's of millions of years old to full functionality, and will factor-up to species like Mammoths and dinasors, and the specific individuals.
(see below)

Your example is a prediction, not a retrodiction.

There are many more events in the future than in the past.
That's why Quantum Archaeology must work.
Presumably the size of quantum events would mean there are relatively more events in the future than the past in the quantum world.

If you know ALL the variables, and ALL the necessary laws, you can certainly calculate the past.

This is the method of evolutionary biology:

In evolutionary biology ancestor states are being described 100's of millions of years ago using probability and causation along evolutionary trees.
Resurrected Ancestral Proteins



The near billion year old (extinct) resurrected proton pump was tried out and worked

QA is similar to that, but not restricted to one evolutionary tree:

it cross references them all plus cross-referencing the probable environments.

So we travel back down evolutionary lines of men plus gather data in the environment, the Records, and synthesize them all causally and probabilistically with elimination rules to describe any one who is dead.

Evolutionary complexity is forwards. That means you can calculate backwards where there are fewer variables.

https://www.youtube....h?v=PnvM-7tBwyA


The numbers are easy. Its the method you need to get right.

Humans are devising the method for resurrections at present (NB RESURRECTIONS ARE ALREADY TAKING PLACE IN BIOLOGY)

because Machine intelligences will do the crafting shortly.

As to your gambling prediction experiment statisticians have repeatedly demonstrated they could beat the house.. ..from Descartes who left a gambling fortune, to a retired statistician who keeps winning the state lottery in US


But if you can tabulate the laws for all the variables in the world at the sizes you are saying, you should be able to pick winners. I guess you'd only be able to do it probabilistically.

Indeed this was discovered in roulette and the operators banned form casinos are their devices in the bots calculated speed of wheel, ball, where it started and gave the part of the wheel the ball was likely to land on.


Blackjack fell when (now billionaire using prediction statistics) maths prof Ed Thorpe wrote Beat the Dealer proving you could calculate probabilistic predictions well enough to get an edge over the house:

another:
Stanford Doctor of Statistics keeps winning lottery

-so you can win the lotto IF you know the variables.

It's just numbers.

Data.

Extreme Calculation:

[Julia36]

Life gets more complexity and computers will be MUCH more complex than present day homosapiens.

They will be EASILY able to calculate the past world and everything that's in it.

What is great is Mark Burgin's work birthing a mathematics that can outperform Quantum Computers:




Maxwell said you could never recover the same glassful of water flung into the sea.

He was wrong.

It's often stated you cant melt a block of ice then restore it to where it was WRONG.

Or that there isn't enough energy in the universe to calculate the past. WRONG.

The sea is no more complex than a man's brain.

This gif is a representation of the sea.
The representations will get better, deeper and be constructed at near light speeds by A.I.'s.

The map of the recreated sea will be will be indistinguishable from the map of the real thing.
There just much more of it. Then we can rebuild it, as we are rebuilding extinct ACTUAL micro-organisms.



I wouldn't not get cryonically suspended though.

The more data the safer.


I dont think you get the SPEED of double exponentail growth:

Technology is the coming form of more complex life.

Teams are racing to build Superintelligence and conferencing in AGI (Artificial General Intelligence)

Edited by Innocent, 12 June 2013 - 05:35 PM.

[platypus]

So I take it that you don't have even the foggiest idea about what needs to be done in the very simple isolated case that I proposed to be the QA X-price?

[Julia36]

BBC BIG DATA confirms everything I said about data. Note an archaeologist/anthropologist is leading data manipulation as it opens!!!


ata statistics, prediction probability.....but then CAUSALITY.

Causality will be done in coming maths and computers, with which we will resocntruct peple thought long gone and forgotten.




Note this astonishing use of (presently) big data is done probabilistically like in Quantum Theory.

But as we construct more complex analysis machines than mankind, we will predict causally, like in most other science.

Sone of us have been lobbying world organisations and national gvmts for years to expand finding for data tech.

Haptics 3D printers nanotechn biotech and internet are likely to merge in the 2020's.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsVy28pDsYo




World biggest/fastest supercomputer (Chinese ) will announced as Milkyway-2 ...league table will be announced next week




Newbies

We're discussing

Quantum Archaeology

Edited by Innocent, 12 June 2013 - 10:36 PM.

[Julia36]

note in the BBC films above

You take BIG hierarchies first so it massively cuts down the data to calculate.

(QA is doing this backwards)

the numbers reduce surprisingly quickly.
People like Aubrey de Grey are aware of this so know they have a pretty good l;ikelihod of reversing aging in the next 20-40 years as we're in accelerating science.

But other things like A.I. are coming to manipulate big data we dont have yet.

And you reralioze Platypus...

I am not like you....

[Julia36]

Measuring Thermodynamics at atomic levels was ridiculed as impossible last wek

this week its been achieved:
Nano-thermometer enables first atomic-scale heat transfer measurements




http://phys.org/news...omic-scale.html

[Julia36]

Ok so lets get to specifics, for example a lotto-machine where a few dozen balls bounce around and then a few of them are drawn out to generate the winning numbers. Now:

1) You know the winning numbers (for example 37-12-2-6-23-26-27)
2) You know the make of the lotto machine
3) You know the name of the person who operated the machine
4) You know that the lotto-machine was in a room behind closed doors
5) Initially that is all you know.

Now, tell me how are you going to reconstruct the trajectory of the balls inside the lotto machine. According to your timeline, this should be possible in a few years, maximum 10, which is just a blink of an eye in technological terms. Tell me what you need to "simulate" those trajectories, i.e. construct an experiment trying to do just that. You may user whatever equipment available today or in the foreseeable future to conduct your experiment. How will you do it? This could be an X-Price for QA in 2020, unless it's practically impossible.

It would be criminal of me to tell you how to do this.

[Julia36]

We are zooming ahead of double exponential growth with data:


7 hours ago:

Austrian researchers managed to store quantum information for a long enough period to enable possible global quantum networks based on optical fibres.


information will be manipulated at near infinite speeds in comping hypercomouters.

That will make earth, galaxy and universe simulation back to the dawn of time deeper than we need to resurrect by mapping.



Also today we have mapped the motions of our local universe
vudeo and details:
http://phys.org/news...y-universe.html

[Julia36]

quick article today, emphasises coming data manipulation

Quantum Computing Could Lead To A Gigantic Leap Forward



"A 30-qubit quantum computer is approximately as powerful as a 10 teraflop computer, solving 10 trillion problems every second. Most average home computers push about seven gigaflops, calculating seven billion problems per second. There's no comparison."

Google/NASA have just bought a 500+-qbit quantum computer from D-wave

Edited by Innocent, 13 June 2013 - 01:02 AM.

[platypus]

You sound at least hypomanic and possibly delusional

[Julia36]

You sound at least hypomanic and possibly delusional

Ad hominem isn't argument.

You are trying to break down the white noise of vast data gathered in the present (and some gathered by people who set it down in the past)
and extract from it descriptions of men long dead to a minimum of about 5 nanometer size.

You dont need to go smaller than that

NUMBERS

Data gathering eg from the Records

Laws
Motions,
Patterns
Probabilities
Causations
Positions

Eliminations
Cross-referencing
Gridding
Co-ordinates
Equations
Other calculations.


https://encrypted-tb...Lj3zHZcVyzU2iFF



Big data is broken up in to patterns and impossibilities eliminated.

You superimpose one data set on another and they strengthen or reduce event densities



So if begin with near infinite numbers, they quickly reduce to manageable sizes.

Data is becoming so important eg in national security, medicine an industry...Google has vast data centres, and huge complexes are under construction world wide,

IT IS INEVITABLE we get tons better at data manipulation.

the scale of sums we're going to able to do is beyond an sane man's comprehension.

And we'll do these sums in a fraction of a second.

At some point anything that exists will be describable in sheer data, and super-complex simulations made anything that has been.




I've played in world data centres and despite their sizes they are built from very simple systems:

CERN under construction:


We have to train scientists.







But first we have to get across the idea that the dead are going to be resurrectable.

Edited by Innocent, 13 June 2013 - 03:21 PM.

[platypus]

You sound at least hypomanic and possibly delusional

Ad hominem isn't argument.

Well, neither is that what you are doing. Can you try to make a specific reply to the lottery-machine question? If not, I think I'll withdraw from the QA-debate, I actually have a day-job that is lightyears more interesting than daydreaming or vapid philosophizing with no specific content

[Julia36]

you want to win the lottery go ahead!

Quantum Archaeology is about history not about predicting the future which I restate is to complex to do well because the universe is inflating-
there is more data in the present than the past, and more data in the future than the present.

QA works and we have resurrected micro-organisms 800 million years extinct.

I'll consider your question again in a free moment OK, but the future is not the past.

[Julia36]

The State isn't gong to resurrect the dead WE ARE.
Technology is accelerating capacity so fast that society must change to adapt round it.
Texting interneting will happen so long as we have stuff to exchange.

The Passing times:


The present


Proptyping yesterday: http://www.bbc.co.uk...nology-22885602

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TtylFugOT_4

The Future:

Things dreampt couldn't be built because support technologies weren't ready.
(Classic is Babbage's Computer...no electricty!)

When A.I. comes we wont necessarily have anything to exchange with one another.

This is because of the nature of number crunching and coming microrobotics (and machines generally).

VAST data manipulating techniques are being aimed at. CERN is one of these invention labs.

We already communicate with each other less on some important matters, preferring to search online, and few people would 'murder' the internet over murdering an unknown person.

Google has stored zillions of terrabytes of data in information pages. Its a pin-pojnt to what is coming, and you can demonstrate that from dat information/technology trends:



Note how the curve is accelerating steeper.

The volume of numbers can be manipulated is proportional to the amount of changes you can make in your life and body.


You in 15 years:






But every interaction between people is a statement or request for information and data (information is data new to you).
There may come a time when our machine devices generate every interaction we want -- including physical presences.
Mobiles are not going to stay lifeless.
People are not going stay in groups, but become super-powerful in their own universes.
OK that's a bit of a leap for many, but it logically must happen.
For data and physics are linked. One is a fewer dimensional manifestation of the other.
Numbers are 2D representations of 3D events, and are even oure and not truely related to anything but themselves.

1897






What the mind desires, the intellect will fulfil.
That must be true because history is no longer locked we are immortal, - even if we're dead, and our powers are growing.

Man's desire is for immortality, but his altruism programs desire resurrection of the dead: that self-evident..it is the basis of most religions along with relief of suffering.

Those 2 pillars of religions, are becoming products of science transhumanism is really just science.




1969 AD



2013:

New $1 patch can deliver vaccines without injections



Plato believed numbers were truer realities than the world of our senses. Logically what our senses cant detect lies invisible to us. That doesn't mean you'll bump into a wall because you haven't seen it in the 'dark'... you wont be able to bump at all because the sense of touch wont detect the thing.
Men are becoming more empowered.
They will resurrect the dead for themselves.
Multi-copies of a favourite aunt..one for each of you must occur.
This resurrection day wont plateau: there wont be a time when we reach some utopia or stable civilisation, but we'll accelerate faster in technology (A.I. will be the building blocks of all things by then...possibly coming as early as 2027).
YOU will resurrect your own ancestors.
The State will probably disappear because of the speed of technology change.
The state is already in difficulties keeping ahead of technology crime. Many groups like banks cant keep ahead of it.
So these may be some of the last interactions we have.
Professor Tipler has tried to sketch out post-singularity existence in his works.
Difficult because we're contained by our present imagination, and our predictive skills break down at a Singularity (the point at which we cant predict the changes in the next second)
Quantum Archaeology is a go, and it'll be done by you not by society.
But YOU are going to change.
https://sites.google...tumarchaeology/

Edited by Innocent, 14 June 2013 - 02:06 PM.

[Julia36]

1. Its all about Data.

There's growing data on line.

Mopre data was created in the last 2 years than in all human history before it.

2. And about the speed of data processing.


http://andygreenhaw....-exists-online/
"Have you ever wondered how much information really exists online? New data suggests that 1.2 Zettabytes (1.3 trillion gigabytes) is now stored in cyberspace – which amounts to 339 miles of fully-loaded iPads stacked to the sky."

unfortunately that data is 3 years old.

the Daily Mail puts it:

Information overload: There is so much data stored in the world that we may run out of ways to quantify it http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2WCWMC1bw

]

INFORMATION OVERLOAD?

NOPE, A.I. REDUCE TO PATERNS.

Edited by Innocent, 14 June 2013 - 02:55 PM.

[platypus]

http://www.physics.u...istic_chaos.pdf

Money Quotes from slide 7:

- Since the solution is chaotic, it cannot be written down in any formula
- In a mathematical sense the problem is unsolvable
- All the computer does is solve the equations in an approximate way

It may happen that small differences in initial conditions produce very great ones in the final phenomena. A small error in the former will produce an enormous error in the latter. Prediction becomes impossible, and we fortuitous phenomenon.
- Henri Poincare 1903

Edited by platypus, 14 June 2013 - 04:15 PM.

[Julia36]

http://www.physics.u...istic_chaos.pdf

Money Quotes from slide 7:

- Since the solution is chaotic, it cannot be written down in any formula
- In a mathematical sense the problem is unsolvable
- All the computer does is solve the equations in an approximate way

It may happen that small differences in initial conditions produce very great ones in the final phenomena. A small error in the former will produce an enormous error in the latter. Prediction becomes impossible, and we fortuitous phenomenon.
- Henri Poincare 1903

There are no initial conditions.
Everything that is - moves.

Small changes, big changes middle changes.

It doesn't mater.
You're talking about prediction ie maths calculating the future, in which there are more events (pots more)

Quantum Archaeology is talking about archaeology...the past, in which there are fewer events (quantumly less).

Given cosmic inflation the past and the future are different ball games.

There are TWO methods back:

1. By biological evolution lines....using causation and probability (already being done in evolutionary biology where we've already resurrected extinct lines.

2. By gridding, where the Quantum Archaeology Grid (google) proposed would synthesise existing data bases and extract space-time co-ordinates for required DYNAMIC data.

This includes not only where Platypuses come from, but also the inner thoughts of each playtpus


Platypus surfacing after a philosophical idea

because you've deduced his ancestral DNA state, and you can constrict the environment


1. Evolutionary time line




2. Quantum Archaeology (environmental) Grid

into which you slot the DNA results for the person.


This is done in computer simulations (maths) and when it;s been cross-checked in you command micro-robots to assemble the deceased back to life.







It seem reasonable to me that we'll get mastery way past 5nanometres needed to assemble a human being in technology
and WAYYY past required scales in maths to accurately pinpoint space-time co-ordinates.


Yeah I understand chaos.

You're talking about the combinatorial explosion, not relevant to tracking timelines from artefacts in the present.

I reiterate there is NO initial position.

Quantum Theory is presently immature and all the quantum machines are built using cause and effect...ALL of them.

Events in physics are UNCONDITIONALLY built according to laws.

That is true to the particle and true for the wave.
True for the insect and true for the star.

True for two thing's relationship,



and true for a near infinite number






>

true for Jupiter and true for the quark




& True for quantum events like waves ALL of which exist soley by LAW.

Edited by Innocent, 14 June 2013 - 07:41 PM.

[Julia36]

But deterministic chaos IS a 'size of calculation' problem. Weather is an example of deterministic chaos, but eventually, there's no reason why weather cannot be accurately predicted.

Another way to think about it: IF you knew EVERYTHING about the universe, including the laws that govern it, and was given an initial state, then you could predict what happens when you press "play".

The question, then, really is whether everything about the universe is knowable or not.

Measure what is measurable, and make measurable what is not so.
Galileo Galilei

New maths is growing rapidly.



In the 2020's machine intelligence will invent maths faster than at present, pushing the knee of the curve straight up....accelerating what it can do so fast, it with breach onto a subject singularity. It has already reached beyond descriptions of the universe in M Theory and will begin to describe what lies beyond the Multiverse.

M-theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Ed Witten M Theory.


BBC M Theory






Everything by maths which is only symbols and rules.

Maths (quantities of symbols and rules) is expanding dramatically, enabling our competences.


“Philosophy [nature] is written in that great book which ever is before our eyes -- I mean the universe -- but we cannot understand it if we do not first learn the language and grasp the symbols in which it is written. The book is written in mathematical language, and the symbols are triangles, circles and other geometrical figures, without whose help it is impossible to comprehend a single word of it; without which one wanders in vain through a dark labyrinth.”
― Galileo Galilei




We can see trends maths just like we see trends in ageing:

MALE Ages of US citizens thru time: FEMALE








We need to know enough of the universe to raise the dead. Selection is important in deduction.

I'll try and answer the quantum theory objection to Quantum Archaeology.

The arguemnts you make are assuming the future is the same scale as the past: it isn't.

And that the Quantum Theory is correct: it in in conflict with Relativity: they cant both be right.

For the Quantum THoery to exist, explantions in the scale of the small (under 100 nanometres), have to be backed up by observation:
quantum theory rejects this requirement of science.

It exists by extending more and more sily explantions of what is happening in advance of measurable observation:

Entanglement is one of them.

Entangled events exist: three events or particle/waves have currently been entangled and they affect each other exactly, no matter how far apart they are.

Quantum Theory 'believes' there is no link between them and they are not connected in any way.

Einstein ridiculed this as 'spooky action at distance?'.

Glaileo's first maxim 'Observation THEN explanation' has been thrown out by it!



Cleveland Playhouse


Measure what is measurable and make measurable what is not so...is the basis of all science.
QT has to make measurable the mysteries.


This also happened with magnetism in the Victorian era, which some assumed was a prof of god.

Quantum Theory's originator, a devout Christian, said it was a proof of God "We must assume behind these forces the existence of an intelligent mind" (Max Plank).

The small sizes have nothing to do with God.
Nor with free will. Nor with consciousness, nor the observer. Yet all these are cited as part of the Quantum Theory. Which also asserts quantum particles spntaneously pop into being, uncaused.

QT, unable to show how this is so, states it doesn't need to show causation for this ponstaneous creation (an idea drawn from the Bible) as causation doesn't exist in the quantum world.
But probability does.

this beggars belief as probability is a subset of causation, applied to group or aggregate actions where the individual units are too small to measure.

Quantum Theory states quantum events cannot be measured...this dispensing with one of the foundations of science.

Dialogues Concerning Two New Sciences, by Galileo


He also wrote:
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.
Galileo Galilei



QT-ists also state Einstein was senile and couldn't accept the quantum world, whereas his objections were stated in his youth in 1912.

They further state Quantum Theory is the most accurate theory in the history of science.

But that is false. Quantum predictions are derived probabilistically and that calculation is dramatically accurate. But it is not comprehensive and has not yet ventured into causality which is the most successful theory of science. QT as quantum mechanics is statistics and not physics.

It will be when its causality is discovered. But it is early days, and new ideas are needed.

That is why I cant dismiss Quantum Archaeology.

Another challenge from quantum theory is that the world is irreversible in the quantum.

That is demonstrably false.
Many experiments are successfully done showing quantum systems are PERFECTLY reversible when they are 'unobserved'.

This special role of the observer is not unique in science. A darkroom has to be built to do photography: the observer can only observe with a safe lamp, otherwise the experiment is wrecked.

But early photography was also thought to be proof of God, of the mysterious or of magic.

I reiterate you can not throw out causality.

For this reason QT is no serious challenge to QA, most retrodictions of which are done in the meso world of mansize-scale.

There are not desperate sciences, but one, and basic science - the latin word for 'knowledge' applies to all scales, and all states.

Moreover no-one in Quantum Theory suggests the quantum is not governed by laws.

As the quantum world is lawful..and that means it is determined absolutely by laws...built by them and limited by them...it is absolutely retrodictable.

That must follow.

There is ONE science, physics know there can be only one, and there is a famous search to find Grand Unification Theory which is not accepted as completed.

It is better to say 'I dont know' in Quantum Theory than has absurd contradictions pepper it, and it is plagued by ego, superstition and religion.


There are a lot of 'I dont knows' in Quantum Theory and we shouldn't hypothesise in advance of the observations (presently too difficult).

I could be completely wrong, but Quantum Archaeology accommodates all Quantum Theories because eg of cosmic inflation: there are many timelines from the present to the past describing the same event; there are fewer ancestor events in the past than events in the present, which means much information can be lost but more than enough will survive to reconstruct the dead.

Lastly, the physics maxim:
"Information is incapable of being destroyed (That is the deepest physics I know)" Leonard Susskind

shows that information about our dead is indeed NOT lost and must with enough calculation, be completely recoverable.

It is a matter of calculation.

Calculation is increasing.
On a demonstrable trend, the magnitude of sum we can do is accelerating.

Dont take my word for it, look at supercomputer calculations on a graph.



It is inevitable we are able to calculate mast the required scales to resurrect everyone who has lived, and the processing power needed has long been stated at Oxford in Bostrom's Simulation argument as under 10^42 calculations.

This is large but it will be achievable by brute force by 2027, and by mathematics sooner.

By 2027 we will presumably le to model the entire human being and much of the historic environment, because data bases for both have been started years ago and are growing. The DNA data base for instance was completed in 2003.

Rapidly evolving Machine Intelligence is being set to work on understanding the human genome
and by 2030 at latest, will have completely understood all genetic illnesses and permutations, and run simulations forwards and backwards of them.
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It amazes me one has to fight for an idea.

Like Ettinger I thought it would be enough to make one post into the community of a discovery and the idea would take off as self-evident.

But after 10 years Quantum Archaeology is still ridiculed on unsceitific grounds, and when I have answered one argument the same argument is thrown up again as if It had not been refuted, and I am shouted a lunatic in streams of ad hominems attacks.


Science cannot be dogmatic, but maxims that are it;s basis and proven good cannot be thrown out for the superstitions of quantum theory, for while quantum events exist and are fascinating, the explanation theory is religious and unsupported.

It is heresy to oppose it...it is a sort of global warming in small scale physics.
I entered ONE post on the famous physics forums and was booted off with a moderator email calling me a crackpot . It was a great pity I hoped to learn a lot there.

Galileo, Darwin, Newton and Einstein all suffered charges of crackpot.

Presently Darwin is refuted in America by the religious, and Einstein is laughed at by quantum theorists because of great probability statistics.

A new idea is opposed by dogma.

But nothing is stronger than an idea whose time has come.

And Quantum Archaeology is correct: we can resurrect the dead with no trace of them remaining in the present.




The dead have gone before us in nameless Hope they will be rescued from suffering & oblivion.


Quantum Theory cannot throw out causation and measurement. It is paradoxically in conflict with Relativity which is experimentally testable, measurable and true.


By denying scientific principles, one may maintain any paradox.
Galileo Galilei

Edited by Innocent, 15 June 2013 - 05:08 AM.

[Julia36]

http://www.physics.u...istic_chaos.pdf

Money Quotes from slide 7:

- Since the solution is chaotic, it cannot be written down in any formula
- In a mathematical sense the problem is unsolvable
- All the computer does is solve the equations in an approximate way

But this approximate solution is the stuff of reality for statisticians!

We get partial solutions then run them against other partial solutions coming in the opposite direction and cross-check full solutions into existence.

Note you are dealing with probabilities and not unit causations yet, which history shows come with enough measurement and enough calculation power.

Do you believe the universe is describable in maths?

I think you believe the world is made of laws, but some of them are non-causal?

Chaos is nothing special just complexity. The cosmos has had infinite dimensions to evolve in, and is presumably bigger and deeper than we can ponder.

But we do affect our lives by causal intervention. We extend them. We better them and we discover the laws behind them.

Up to the present our discoveries have been almost al by hand.

But science is becoming Information Technology.

We can put labs on a chip, and once a topic transfers into IT Moore's Law applies to it.

Quantum Archaeology is NO THREAT to cryonics, but an adjunct to it.
Because the same data analysis techniques and micro-robotic reconstruction science are needed.

The aim is human immortality which cryonic attempts for the presently, whereas Quantum Archaeology is attempting a theory to raise the long dead.


Let's resurrect everyone and conquer space!


Man is a clockwork machine.
built and limited by the laws of physics


and each new idea in science has to be campaigned for - even when it;s in people's own interests to use it!

Scientists' Open Letter on Cryonics

To whom it may concern,
Cryonics is a legitimate science-based endeavor that seeks to preserve human beings, especially the human brain, by the best technology available. Future technologies for resuscitation can be envisioned that involve molecular repair by nanomedicine, highly advanced computation, detailed control of cell growth, and tissue regeneration.
With a view toward these developments, there is a credible possibility that cryonics performed under the best conditions achievable today can preserve sufficient neurological information to permit eventual restoration of a person to full health.
The rights of people who choose cryonics are important, and should be respected.
Sincerely (61 Signatories)
Signatories encompass all disciplines relevant to cryonics, including Biology, Cryobiology, Neuroscience, Physical Science, Nanotechnology and Computing, Ethics and Theology. [Signature date in brackets]

• Gregory Benford, Ph.D.
  (Physics, UC San Diego) Professor of Physics; University of California; Irvine, CA [3/24/04]
• Alaxander Bolonkin, Ph.D.
  (Leningrad Politechnic University) Professor, Moscow Aviation Institute; Senior Research Associate NASA Dryden Flight Research Center; Lecturer, New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, NJ [3/24/04]
• Nick Bostrom, Ph.D.
  Research Fellow; University of Oxford; Oxford, United Kingdom [3/25/04]
• Kevin Q. Brown, Ph.D.
  (Computer Science, Carnegie-Mellon) Member of Technical Staff; Lucent Bell Laboratories (retired); Stanhope, NJ [3/23/04]
• Professor Manfred Clynes, Ph.D.
  Lombardi Cancer Center; Department of Oncology and Department of Physiology and Biophysics, Georgetown University; Washington, DC [3/28/04]
• L. Stephen Coles, M.D., PhD
  (RPI, Columbia, Carnegie Mellon University) Director, Supercentenarian Research Foundation Inglewood, California [10/7/06]
• Daniel Crevier, Ph.D.
  (MIT) President, Ophthalmos Systems Inc., Longueuil, Qc, Canada; Professor of Electrical Engineering (ret.), McGill University & École de Technologie Supérieure, Montreal, Canada. [4/7/05]
• Antonei B. Csoka, Ph.D.
  Assistant Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Sciences, University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Pittsburgh Development Center, Magee-Womens Research Institute [9/14/05]
• Aubrey D.N.J. de Grey, Ph.D.
  Research Associate; University of Cambridge;Cambridge, United Kingdom [3/19/04]
• Wesley M. Du Charme, Ph.D.
  (Experimental Psychology, University of Michigan) author of Becoming Immortal, Rathdrum, Idaho [11/23/05]
• João Pedro de Magalhães, Ph.D.
  University of Namur; Namur, Belgium [3/22/04]
• Thomas Donaldson, Ph.D.
  Editor, Periastron; Founder, Institute for Neural Cryobiology; Canberra, Australia [3/22/04]
• Christopher J. Dougherty, Ph.D.
  Chief Scientist; Suspended Animation Inc; Boca Raton, FL [3/19/04]
• K. Eric Drexler, Ph.D.
  Chairman of Foresight Institute; Palo Alto, CA [3/19/04]
• Robert A. Freitas Jr., J.D.
  Author, Nanomedicine Vols. I & II; Research Fellow, Institute for Molecular Manufacturing, Palo Alto, CA [3/27/04]
• Mark Galecki, Ph.D.
  (Mathematics, Univ of Tennessee), M.S. (Computer Science, Rutgers Univ), Senior System Software Engineer, SBS Technologies [11/23/05]
• D. B. Ghare, Ph.D.
  Principal Research Scientist, Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore, India [5/24/04]
• Ben Goertzel, Ph.D.Biomind LLCPeter Gouras, M.D.
  Professor of Ophthalmology, Columbia University; New York City, NY [3/19/04]
• Amara L. Graps, Ph.D.
  Researcher, Astrophysics; Adjunct Professor of Astronomy; Institute of Physics of the Interplanetary Space; American University of Rome (Italy) [3/22/04]
• Raphael Haftka, Ph.D.
  (UC San Diego) Distinguished Prof. U. of Florida; Dept. of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering, Gainesville, FL [3/22/04]
• David A. Hall, M.D.
  Dean of Education, World Health Medical School [11/23/05]
• J. Storrs Hall, Ph.D.
  Research Fellow, Institute for Molecular Manufacturing, Los Altos, CA
  Fellow, Molecular Engineering Research Institute, Laporte, PA [3/26/04]
• Robin Hanson, Ph.D.
• Michael D. Hartl, Ph.D.
  (Physics, Harvard & Caltech) Visitor in Theoretical Astrophysics; California Institute of Technology; Pasadena, CA [3/19/04]
• Henry R. Hirsch, Ph. D.
  (Massachusetts Institute of Technology, 1960) Professor Emeritus, University of Kentucky College of Medicine [11/29/05]
• Tad Hogg, Ph.D.
  (Physics, Caltech and Stanford) research staff, HP Labs, Palo Alto, CA [10/10/05]
• James J. Hughes, Ph.D.
  Public Policy Studies Trinity College; Hartford, CT [3/25/04]
• James R. Hughes, M.D., Ph.D.
  ER Director of Meadows Regoinal Medical Center; Director of Medical Research & Development, Hilton Head Longevity Center, Savanah, GA [4/05/04]
• Ravin Jain, M.D.
  (Medicine, Baylor) Assistant Clinical Professor of Neurology, UCLA School of Medicine, Los Angeles, CA [3/31/04]
• Subhash C. Kak, Ph.D.
  Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering, Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, LA [3/24/04]
• Professor Bart Kosko, Ph.D.
  Electrical Engineering Department; University of Southern California [3/19/04]
• James B. Lewis, Ph.D.
  (Chemistry, Harvard) Senior Research Investigator (retired); Bristol-Myers Squibb Pharmaceutical Research Institute; Seattle, WA [3/19/04]
• Marc S. Lewis, Ph.D.
  Ph.D. from the University of Cincinnati in Clinical Psychology. Associate Professor at the University of Texas at Austin of Clinical Psychology. [6/12/05]
• Brad F. Mellon, STM, Ph.D.
  Chair of the Ethics Committee; Frederick Mennonite Community; Frederick, PA [3/25/04]
• Ralph C. Merkle, Ph.D.
  Distinguished Professor of Computing; Georgia Tech College of Computing; Director, GTISC (GA Tech Information Security Center); VP, Technology Assessment, Foresight Institute [3/19/04]
• Marvin Minsky, Ph.D.
  (Mathematics, Harvard & Princeton) MIT Media Lab and MIT AI Lab; Toshiba Professor of Media Arts and Sciences; Professor of E.E. and C.S., M.I.T [3/19/04]
• John Warwick Montgomery, Ph.D.
  (Chicago) D.Théol. (Strasbourg), LL.D. (Cardiff) Professor Emeritus of Law and Humanities, University of Luton, England [3/28/04]
• Max More, Ph.D.
  Chairman, Extropy Institute, Austin, TX [3/31/04]
• Steve Omohundro, Ph.D.
  (Physics, University of California at Berkeley) Computer science professor at the University of Illinois at Champaign/Urbana [6/08/04]
• Mike O'Neal, Ph.D.(Computer Science) Assoc. Professor and Computer Science Program Chair; Louisiana Tech Univ.; Ruston, LA [3/19/04]
• R. Michael Perry, Ph.D. Computer Science
  Patient care and technical services, Alcor Life Extension Foundation [9/30/09]
• Yuri Pichugin, Ph.D.
  Former Senior Researcher, Institute for Problems of Cryobiology and Cryomedicine; Kharkov, Ukraine [3/19/04]
• Peter H. Proctor, M.D., Ph.D.
  Independent Physician & Pharmacologist; Houston, Texas [5/02/04]
• Martine Rothblatt, Ph.D., J.D., M.B.A.
  Responsible for launching several satellite communications companies including Sirius and WorldSpace. Founder and CEO of United Therapeutics. [5/02/04]
• Klaus H. Sames, M.D.
  University Medical Center Hamburg-Eppendorf, Center of Experimental Medicine (CEM) Institute of Anatomy II: Experimental Morphology; Hamburg, Germany [3/25/04]
• Anders Sandberg, Ph.D.(Computational NeuroscienceSergey V. Sheleg, M.D., Ph.D.
  Senior Research Scientist, Alcor Life Extension Founcation; Scottsdale, AZ [8/11/05]
• Stanley Shostak, Ph.D.
  Associate Professor of Biological Sciences; University of Pittsburgh; Pittsburgh, PA [3/19/04]
• Rafal Smigrodzki, M.D., Ph.D.
  Chief Clinical Officer, Gencia Company; Charlottesville VA [3/19/04]
• David S. Stodolsky, Ph.D.
  (Univ. of Cal., Irvine) Senior Scientist, Institute for Social Informatics [11/24/05]
• Gregory Stock, Ph.D.
  Director, Program on Medicine, Technology, and Society UCLA School of Public Health; Los Angeles, CA [3/24/04]
• Charles Tandy, Ph.D.
  Associate Professor of Humanities and Director Center for Interdisciplinary Philosophic Studies Fooyin University (Kaohsiung, Taiwan) [5/25/05]
• Peter Toma, Ph.D.
  President, Cosmolingua, Inc. Sioux Falls, South Dakota. Inventor and Founder of SYSTRAN. Director of International Relations, Alcor Life Extension Foundation. Residences in Argentina, Germany, New Zealand, Switzerland and USA [5/24/05]
• Mark A. Voelker, Ph.D.
  (Optical Sciences, U. Arizona) Director of Bioengineering; BioTime, Inc.; Berkeley, CA [3/19/04]
• Roy L. Walford, M.D.
  Professor of Pathology, emeritus; UCLA School of Medicine; Los Angeles, CA [3/19/04]
• Mark Walker, Ph.D.
  Research Associate, Philosophy; Trinity College; University of Toronto (Canada) [3/19/04]
• Michael D. West, Ph.D.
  President, Chairman & Chief Executive Office; Advanced Cell Technology, Inc.; Worcester, MA [3/19/04]
• Ronald F. White, Ph.D.
  Professor of Philosophy; College of Mount St. Joseph; Cincinnati, OH [3/19/04]
• James Wilsdon, Ph.D.
  (Oxford University) Head of Strategy for Demos, an independent think-tank; London, England [5/04/04]
• Brian Wowk, Ph.D.
  Senior Scientist 21st Century Medicine, Inc.; Rancho Cucamonga, CA [3/19/04]

Selected Journal Articles Supporting Cryonics:

• First paper showing recovery of brain electrical activity after freezing to -20°C. Suda I, Kito K, Adachi C, in: Nature (1966, vol. 212), "Viability of long term frozen cat brain in vitro", pg. 268-270.

Note: Signing of this letter does not imply endorsement of any particular cryonics organization or its practices. Opinions on how much cerebral ischemic injury (delay after clinical death) and preservation injury may be reversible in the future vary widely among signatories.
Contact:support@imminst.org

• First paper to propose cryonics by neuropreservation: Martin G, in: Perspectives in Biology and Medicine (1971, vol. 14), “Brief proposal on immortality: an interim solution”, pg. 339.
• First paper showing recovery of a mammalian organ after cooling to -196°C (liquid nitrogen temperature) and subsequent transplantation: Hamilton R, Holst HI, Lehr HB, in: Journal of Surgical Research (1973, vol 14), "Successful preservation of canine small intestine by freezing", pg. 527-531.
• First paper showing partial recovery of brain electrical activity after 7 years of frozen storage: Suda I, Kito K, Adachi C, in: Brain Research (1974, vol. 70), “Bioelectric discharges of isolated cat brain after revival from years of frozen storage", pg. 527-531.
• First paper suggesting that nanotechnology could reverse freezing injury: Drexler KE, in: Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (1981, vol. 78), "Molecular engineering: An approach to the development of general capabilities for molecular manipulation", pg. 5275-5278.
• First paper showing that large organs can be cryopreserved without structural damage from ice: Fahy GM, MacFarlane DR, Angell CA, Meryman HT, in: Cryobiology (1984, vol. 21), "Vitrification as an approach to cryopreservation", pg. 407-426.
• First paper showing that dogs can be recovered after three hours of total circulatory arrest (“clinical death”) at 0°C (32°F). This supports the reversibility of the hypothermic phase of cryonics: Haneda K, Thomas R, Sands MP, Breazeale DG, Dillard DH, in: Cryobiology (1986, vol. 23), "Whole body protection during three hours of total circulatory arrest: an experimental study", pg. 483-494.
• First detailed discussion of the application of nanotechnology to reverse human cryopreservation: Merkle RC, in: Medical Hypotheses (1992, vol. 39), "The technical feasibility of cryonics", pg. 6-16.
• First successful application of vitrification to a relatively large tissue of medical interest: Song YC, Khirabadi BS, Lightfoot F, Brockbank KG, Taylor MJ, in: Nature Biotechnology (2000, vol. 18), "Vitreous cryopreservation maintains the function of vascular grafts", pg. 296-299.
• First report of the consistent survival of transplanted kidneys after cooling to and rewarming from -45°C: Fahy GM, Wowk B, Wu J, Phan J, Rasch C, Chang A, Zendejas E, in: Cryobiology (2004 vol. 48), "Cryopreservation of organs by vitrification: perspectives and recent advances", pg. 157-78.
• First paper showing good ultrastructure of vitrified/rewarmed mammalian brains and the reversibility of prolonged warm ischemic injury in dogs without subsequent neurological deficits, and setting forth the present scientific evidence in support of cryonics: Lemler J, Harris SB, Platt C, Huffman T, in: Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, (2004 vol. 1019), “The Arrest of Biological Time as a Bridge to Engineered Negligible Senescence", pg. 559-563.
• First discussion of cryonics in a major medical journal: Whetstine L, Streat S, Darwin M, Crippen D, in: Critical Care, (2005, vol. 9), "Pro/con ethics debate: When is dead really dead?", in press.
• First demonstration that both the viability and structure of complex neural networks can be well preserved by vitrification: Pichugin Y, Fahy GM, Morin R, in: Cryobiology, (2006, vol. 52), "Cryopreservation of rat hippocampal slices by vitrification", pg. 228-240. PDF here.
• Rigorous demonstration of memory retention following profound hypothermia, confirming theoretical expectation and clinical experience. Alam HB, Bowyer MW, Koustova E, Gushchin V, Anderson D, Stanton K, Kreishman P, Cryer CM, Hancock T, Rhee P, in: Surgery (2002, vol. 132), "Learning and memory is preserved after induced asanguineous hyperkalemic hypothermic arrest in a swine model of traumatic exsanguination", pg. 278-88.
• Review of scientific justifications of cryonics: Best BP, in: Rejuvenation Research (2008, vol. 11), "Scientific justification of cryonics practice", pg. 493-503.

Economics and politcis are still important for discovery and the EU has over taken the USA as highest GDP. (IMF 2012) US $
1 European Union 16,584,007,000,000

2 United States 15,684,750,000,000 3 China 8,227,037,000,000 4 Japan 5,963,969,000,000


2012
Rank Country No. of Patents Granted 1 Japan 238,323 2 United States 224,505 3 China 172,113 4 South Korea 94,720 5 European Patent Office 62,112 6 Russia 29,999 7 Canada 20,762 8 Australia 17,877 9 Germany 11,719 10 Mexico 11,485 11 France 10,213 12 United Kingdom 7,173 13 Italy 6,380 14 North Korea 6,290 15 Singapore 5,949 16 South Africa 5,296 17 India 5,168 18 Israel 5,104 19 Hong Kong 5,050 20 New Zealand 4,710


The numbers of patents accepted (apporx 1/2 the numbers filed) hit the knee of th curve after the advent of the computer


Although Japan is acutely aware of their usefulness and took off 30 years before the USA.
China's knee was even steeper.

It cant be long IMO before anyone with a $10 smartphone talks a general idea for invention into it, and the phone sorts it, drafts it technically, patents it, ionteracts with other machines eg at conveyer belt asembly factories, and produces and markets your 'invention'.

the marketing will simply be listing in Google search, plus ads on Youtube.

Later on when someone clicks but, a software programme will be downloaded top the buyers home 3D printer.


These exist right now:





"Researches at the School of Engineering (University of Warwick) led by Dr Simon Leigh have lately designed a simple and cheap conductive plastic composite that can be used in 3D printers, allowing even home-based users to print out their own electronic devices complete with microelectronics embedded."


None of this is fanciful, and none of it against science.

The speeding of convergent technologies triples accelereration rates





The future will be driven by human imagination for a while.

'after that the human era will be over' (V Vinge)

The last person to die will be a celebrity then we'll expand not only into outer-space at near light- -speed, but create other universes for personal use.

Technology indistinguishable from magic. Time travel. New worlds, New physics, New solutions.
New problems.





Resurrection can not be excluded from this nirvana.



I calculate that date at 2027, by which I expect the advent of Superintelligence, which will automatically enable Resurrection.

the rapture of scientist turning his view of the world into a religion (the philosophy of nil death and suffering),

is "Awesome"






Meanwhile its fun to draft it long-hand.

Edited by Innocent, 15 June 2013 - 03:59 PM.

[Julia36]

Google launches Internet-beaming balloons

today

http://phys.org/news...g-balloons.html

Edited by Innocent, 15 June 2013 - 03:51 PM.

[Julia36]

ARCHAEOLOGY SOARS RECONSTRUCTING THE PAST

ANCIENT LEPROSY RECONSTRUCTED

"
Working in collaboration with a team of archaeologists from the University of Winchester, Surrey academics — including Professor Graham Stewart, Dr Tom Mendum, HuiHai Wu and Dr Mike Taylor — extracted DNA from skeletal samples buried at the medieval St Mary Magdalen Hill leprosy hospital in Winchester. Read more in the journal PlosOne.
Because the ancient DNA was so well-preserved, the team was able to reconstruct the entire genome of the ancient leprosy bacterium, shedding light on the history of the disfiguring disease - once endemic in Europe but which largely disappeared during the Middle Ages. The team believes the waxy coat surrounding the leprosy bacterium may have protected the DNA from degradation."




This is an example of data that can be placed on the proposed
quantum archaeology grid



5,000 year old man analysed


"When peering at these magnified blood cells, you're not just looking closer than the naked eye can – you're also looking through the mists of time. The dark areas on the cells show bruising that occurred over 5000 years ago, when Ötzi the iceman met his end on the Schnalstal glacier in the Alps.
Ötzi seems to have died just hours after sustaining serious injuries in hand-to-hand combat. Now Frank Maixner from the Institute for Mummies and the Iceman in Bolzano, Italy, and Andreas Tholey from Kiel University in Germany have found evidence that he received a blow to the forehead that caused his brain to knock against the back of his skull.
To avoid damaging the iceman's head, the blood cell samples were extracted through tiny holes that already existed. By investigating the cells' proteins, the researchers were able to see a snapshot of Ötzi's last hours.
"DNA is always constant, regardless of where it originates in the body, whereas proteins provide precise information about what is happening in specific regions within the body," says Tholey.
"When you think that we have succeeded in identifying actual tissue changes in a human who lived over 5000 years ago, you can begin to understand how pleased we are."




Ötzi the iceman

Ötzi is a mummified human discovered in 1991 in the Schnalstal glacier in the Alps, on the border between Austria and Italy. He died around 3300 BC."




Not dead just very sick (cryonics)

Body is Irrelevant (Quantum Archaeology)




Archaeologists reconstruct surface:




Each find can take years to analyse but the informations strengthens the
quantum archaeology grid


enabling a complete history of mankind to be drawn down to subatomic detail, which includes the memories and thoughts of any individual.

Edited by Innocent, 15 June 2013 - 04:43 PM.

[Julia36]

This is JUST a data reconstruction.



with time and complexity reconstruction will tend to perfection.