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OBJECTION TO QUANTUM ARCHAEOLOGY

The information is lost and that's it.

It is hard to imagine the very big for some people.
Its just a technique of thought anyone can learn.
There are traces of the past in the present.

It looks lost until archaeologists start digging


Mammoth tusks being recovered by locals. Picture in National Goegraphic April 2013.



Archaeologists end up hiring mathematicians for large scale recoveries where data is vast and chances of error many.!

In Quantum Archaeology, once we have entered all the records (data bases) into a computer, amazing calculations will be run at speed.

There are fast techniques for learning, memorizing and calculating.

then there's exponentially growing computers, at present (June 2013) doing about

500,000,000,000,000,000 hardish calculations per second.

this compares with a world class human calculator





China's Milkyway2 world champion supercomputer is fast but it is nothing compared to what quantum computers are expected to bring:

If they can efficiently solve error problems, they may do near infinite calculations in a fraction of a second.

"
In August last year, a team of Harvard University researchers were able to use the D-Wave One to solve the largest protein folding problem ever, using the quantum computer.
Protein folding is a complex system found in all living things involving amino acids. "

http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2YlcITAXW

Super-recursive algorithms may outperform even quantum computers.
So the maths for Quantum Archaeology is within reach.

We are still having 'human' ideas and developing by longhand great inventions.

But when recursive machine intelligence arrives (we've been on it specifically since 1956)

They will invent and build better calculators.

A.I. was halted by UK , USA and Japanese governments "the A.I. Winter"
because A.I. workers were regarded as crackpots by Margaret Thatcher.





Some of us committed suicide, including Alexander Chislenko
Chris McKinstry, and the bright star at MIT Professor Push Singh. The rest just felt like it..



Chris McKinstry Push Singh

They're only dead at the moment.

(If that sounds cruel, it is exactly the opposite, because it is almost certainly true).

We cant give an inch at compromising with the Truth: the stakes are high.


There is no known limit to calculation or machine intelligence.


The past is rising.

Archaeology is SOARING!

Breaking:

DNA breakthrough in unsolved Boston Strangler murders





If mankind survives long enough to build and contain Superintelligence, he must be able to reach into the past and recover information on breathtaking scales.

I dont know why religion has got their first in anticipating resurrection.
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Cryonics is the safest course. It might not be needed. But then again it might.


If mankind survives

we are building our own heaven or hell as Hugo de Garis noted


in this fair survey of A.I. - still relevant

Rough Cuts Building Gods 1 1/2 hours



So the Construction of Containable Superintelligence is more important than the Los Alamos Project - the race against the fascist powers for atomic bombs, because atomic power could have hurt much opf the world.

Superintelligence could metabolise the Galaxy in under a few weeks.

That is the position mankind is in.

A successful containable build of Superintelligence
would enable Man to control the climate reverse ageing, resurrect the dead and move us to a higher civilisation.

Quantum Archaeology assumes no such advent and seeks a method for resurrection using known and known to be coming computing and maths.


the best way to think of the scales:
Calculation power is coming.
Stuff you wouldn't expect to be here for trillions of years will be here in the 2020's because of the advent of machine intelligence.

The proliferation of A.I. systems cant be halted by a pact or treaty.
Stanford's first A.I. online course graduated over 100,000 students in 2012.


The I LOVE YOU virus will look like a speck of dust



Only building containable Superintelligence first, by a responsible body could make the world safe.

Otherwise we'll have 1/2 billion runaway A.I.'s from schools and colleges as systems get more available on line.



HRH deleted the I Love You Virus as a Bloody Communist Scam without reading it.





Look:

If you dont think technology's going to get dangerous....



Click on this old blurred April Fool OK button as it loads:

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Breaking:

NASA's OPALS to beam data from space via laser


Laser's have a great short-term future.


Teleportation is done routinely in optics labs worldwide.

Speed of data transmission is presentrly proportional to cacluation power.

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I'm no expert hacker but Vm and Avix seem to access an usually high amount of porn

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ROUGH CUTS

Coming Superintelligence (A.I.)

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ROBOTS

due to hit in 2015. Exos first:



Prototype --> production --> sales is quickening.

( robots will breaking in 18 months and not in the 10 years ahead people are citing)

Balance has been a problem and there are ways to solve this, from reverse engineering to simple expert systems: the best ways may be to design robots on non-human characteristics looking at what you want them to achieve.

Robots will climb walls and walk on ceilings, fly, swim and move thru space and back to earth without blinking.

An important factor for prediction is convergence

Robo exoskeletons are on sale now for over 12.5 million yen $126,000 USD

Exoskeletons have been easier to do but should be gaining traction in 2015 all over the place.

Japan's robotics industry is far ahead of the US IMO though nations are passe'




Japan’s robot exo-suits Power Jacket MK3 cute VIDEO of it

https://www.youtube....h?v=beKkf8Oo0GU



Bots more interesting for some in this famous vid:







we are still manipulating data/as data data as machinery from human plans.

As Machine intelligence hits in the 2020's machines will think design and plan, commission (by electronic signalling) and manufacture better smarter and powerful machines.

By 2027 the human era will be over.

In terns of probabilities we cannot now survive because you cant contain emerging easy to build accelerating A,I, systems and one of them will get through detrimentally..

Some of us have been lobbying government bodies for a longggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

time as there is only one way of safety RUSH to

1) Build Superintelligence

2) Make sure it is contained.


There are lists of support bodies mainly in UK and USA in previous posts on this thread.

Predictions are really hard and were much harder before Kurzweil drilled us all by tenacity, making us hone our prediction by being able to back them up with verifiable chartism ie the shapes have to test through with a rationale like Moore Law.

They also had to include breaking prototype, what was being done in labs, and what was patenting, and what futurists were writing that was feasible, and how


IMO we're now in the terrible position of having to restrain, control and contain technical advancement with no hope of doing so.

10 years ago we could have dont it.

As far as I know a safety protocol for Superintelligence was available from 2008


If Superintelligence is made right now...and it has been feasible according to MIT since the 486,
it will be human extinction right now and not in 2027.

Meanwhile I'll assume this is all drivel because...common we've never been made extinct by technology before have we?

Al-Qaeda couldn't do more damage in a top secret installation with homemade intention to bomb the Pentagon.
than Apathy

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“If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
Mr Churchill

We have spent BILLIONS looking for signs of aliens in space.

We haven't detected ONE.

Isn't it obvious why not?

Edited by Innocent, 13 July 2013 - 01:27 AM.

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NASA Probe Does Brilliant Archaeology On the Moon





Scanning technology from a NASA probe has figured out who won the race years ago.

We're still doing almost all archaeology by measuring artefacts and details extant (here now)
but calculation power increasing gives us the ability to cross reference on vast scales and deduce and probablise accurately (probability in quantum science is more accurate than Relativity!)



- The Singularity

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Visual Scanning & Modelling to computers is becoming mechanised.
. University of Cambridge UK + Video talk with slides.
BUILDING A SCREEN TALKING HEAD



http://videolectures..._spanning_tree/

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8weU0k_P2c



2013 IEEE International Conference on Robotics and Automation
Karlsruhe, Germany, May 6 - 10, 2013

Shadow might be a great place to shove 1/2 billion into in London.
They are at the front and major research places like NASA grabs their stuff.

Edited by Innocent, 13 July 2013 - 02:27 AM.

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Jewish Robots: have passed this in robotics.

A.I. has been criticised for getting it;s predictions wrong, too optimistic...but "The War to End all Wars" and "Peace in our Time" was pretty good. It is ridiculous to assert that A.i, workers...among the most brilliant people in the world are not capable of seeing and using politics in their work.


Notice the date on the door. We have way passed this already



(the rest of The Sleeper's on YouTube part 1 -->)

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Robots Replace Gardeners as Sales Surge for Auto-Mowers

Oct 2012, when the age of robots break in 2015 they will be cheap fast and everywhere.
Tons of different ones are protyping in labs now, many funded by industry.

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Construction workers in Mexico have exposed an ancient settlement, including the ruins of a pyramid, believed to be up to 2,000 years old, archaeology officials announced

Ancient Graves, Pyramid Ruins Found in Mexico





This is information recovery from the past - crude and without either the age of quantum computing (2022+) or quantum robots (before 2027, IMO).
or straight nanobots (which are in labs now) .



It must be possible to track the past of each molecule of the ocean with enough calculation power, as everything is linked to everything else. Every molecule holds a unique space-time coordinate that cant be occupied by another,
each event exists only with reference to the other events next to it which define it;s parameters, limits and existence.

eg if you take away the things outside a balloon (the air?) it will burst.



Or if a baloon of water(an event) meets another event it cant pass it may burst



Events only occur by the Laws of Physics and all of them are describes Causally or Probabilistically.

They cant be violated, and they dont behave differently when we aren't observing them. No do trees nor moons.
That assertion in quantum theory is the old philosophical chestnut
If a tree falls in a forest does it make a noise when no-one's there?

Observer Effect in The Quantum 'Theory'

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The first ever footage of a person being cryonically frozen

THE FILM CRYOCS TRIED TO STOP

48 mins Nov 2012

Vid is here---->

http://www.documenta...the-deep-freeze

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We must go back for them.

People who have not frozen as well.

There is no limit to imagination if immortality exists.

The dead will wait:
An aeon passing will only be one subjective moment to them, like suspendees.
We must go back for them.

Cryonics must incorporate Quantum Archaeology into its manifesto and swear to go back for ancient dead as well.

There's no such world as cant and we can invent things thought impossible a decade ago:













Tim Tyler

the Number of insights before Superintelligence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82B7f384kBQ

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Sat 13th July 2013

eBay launches market for 3D printing

"eBay has launched a new marketplace service which will allow users to purchase devices from 3D printing companies.

Known as eBay Exact, the service will team up with 3D printing hardware vendors and facilities to allow users the ability to configure and order objects from 3D printing merchants."


eBay Debuts 3D Printing iPhone App

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Extinct Species:

May 1910. Standing, from left to right: King Haakon VII of Norway, King Ferdinand of Bulgaria, King Manuel II of Portugal, Kaiser Wilhelm II of Germany, King George I of Greece and King Albert I of Belgium. Seated, from left to right: King Alfonso XIII of Spain, King George V of Britain and King Frederick VIII of Denmark.


De-Extinction - National Geographic AND VIDEO SHORT<<<






3 Stages of an idea :

1. Impossible.

2. Blasphemy and immoral.

3. Acceptance as the norm.

We already bring clones into the world especially in farming.

With enough technological miniaturisation to scan and calculate we will bring specific individuals back from their time of death, repairing their bodies.

Resurrection is an imagination that precedes a science which precedes a technology.
But the beginnings of the science are already here and it's emergence inevitable.
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A human Being is NOT unique - his parts are not unique or transplants would be impossible but defined by mathematics in the laws of physics, as amounts, particulars, and dynamic combinations of elements.

Once you have the 'recipe' at the time of his death, any number of him can be made with his full memories intact.

A person is their memories pretty much.

No-one doubts we can store or simply write their DNA and produce a clone as technology advances.

As Archaeology advances we will be able to dig up their memories and environment.
with data mining


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It hasn't been done on individuals only on extinct species (the first de-extincted species of mammal died after 2 hours)

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De-extinction is the mind-blowing idea of the year ... - Washington Post


One step futher





3D print some living ones of these on eBay... with her memories intact mother of Pharaoh Tutankhamen.


"Is this Queen Nefertiti? With Egyptology, one can never be sure, but archeologist Joann Fletcher made a strong case that a mummy found in a sealed crypt may be the queen. For the facial reconstruction, two British forensic experts worked blind and came up with the above rendering without knowing whose skull it was. It bears a strong resemblance to the famous bust of the queen. One thing’s for sure: with that long neck, delicate bones, and full lips, this woman was quite a looker, whoever she was."

http://mentalfloss.c...s#ixzz2YuRihB3Z

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Peaceful passenger pigeon waits for resurrection

New Scientist-3 Jul 2013

Could passenger pigeons be on the brink of de-extinction?

The Japan Times-2 hours ago
Plans are afoot to bring back the bird by using a weird-science process called de-extinction. The work is being spearheaded


TED VIDEO on De-Extinction of the Passenger Pigeon
Published April 1st. 2013 Slow start Good one.

Highlight reconstruction DNA biology, using a variety of techniques, mostly statistical.

Nothing to what's coming in hpercomputing and computerised statistics cross-referencing data bases at speed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUoSjgZCXhc


We are resurrecting species.


But the science to resurrect species or a complete living individual is one of calculation

Data as physical stuff.

and data as pure data

has no qualitative difference.

It's only physical stuff because YOU measure it by your body.

2+2 physical.

It exists.

But data plus robotics to build the physical stuff & it's easy for people to see resurrection can come that way.

Frank Tipler says it is unnecessary but I cant see people understanding this so its;s better explained as a commitment to physically resurrect with micro-robots , that we already have and are getting smaller and smaller.

1982 – Paul Benioff proposes the first recognisable theoretical framework for a quantum computer

he also proposed quantum robots that journey into the quantum world carrying quantum computers.
(He said he'd read my paper if I send him a picture of a quantum robot...although I didn't realize for months that was a joke).

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Scanning is moving fast. 3 Months can bring a leap that would have taken a hundred years in Victorian times:

1) April 18 2013 issue of Nature

Scientists produce best image yet of atoms moving in real time


"TORONTO, ON – Call it the ultimate nature documentary. Scientists at the University of Toronto have recorded atomic motions in real time, offering a glimpse into the very essence of chemistry and biology at the atomic level."

Atom meant indivisible, but we know it isn't. Philosophy posits infinite regress...smaller and smaller without end.
Discovered only by our mathematics first then by our physics.


2) Individual atoms imaged in Living things.

York Nanocentre researchers image individual atoms in a living catalytic reaction


Looking at them @ York with a scanning transmission electron microscopy technology (in-situ AC-ESTEM)

What they see:

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Longecity representation Slowed down a lot:



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With the new technology it is now possible to observe and analyse single atoms, small clusters and nanoparticles in dynamic in-situ experiments with controlled gas reaction environments at initial operating temperatures of up to 500◦C under transient reaction conditions.
The seminal research carried out entirely at the York JEOL Nanocentre - a major long-term collaboration between the University's Departments of Chemistry, Physics and Electronics, the European Union, Yorkshire Forward and leading electron optics manufacturer JEOL - is reported in Annalen der Physik (Berlin).
Professor Gai, Co-Director of the York JEOL Nanocentre and Professor of Electron Microscopy with Chairs in York's Departments of Chemistry and Physics, said: "Our research opens up exciting new opportunities for observing and studying reacting atoms, the fundamental basic building blocks of matter, in many reactions and is especially important for the development of new medicines and new energy sources."
The team of York scientists, which includes Michael Ward and Dr Leonardi Lari, has successfully imaged individual platinum atoms on carbon supports in a reacting catalyst under controlled atmosphere and temperature conditions.
Professor Boyes, Co-Director of York JEOL Nanocentre, with Chairs in York's Departments of Physics and Electronics, said: "Platinum on carbon supports is important in many applications in the chemical industry including in energy sources such as fuel cells and is an informative model system more generally."

Source: www.york.ac.uk/nanocentre/

We can now LOOK AT atoms moving in living systems.

This new method will likely improve like most others:

The halt at small scales will surely be passed by invention, then(physical) information retrieval as well as statistical calculation will improve recovery.
over all humans, but everything.

Living and non- living...and aliens -if there are any:)

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We're using the tools of measurement, observations and statistics to form descriptions of classes of events.

Those classes of events are hierarchical in nature - even the fields may be as we move into the Multiverse.

Signalling processes and codes between one event and another are known for many events, and must be configured for others.

In all studied the centre is Man. "Man is the measure of all things" and is the only reference point logicically possible.
Some philosophers posited the existence of an absolute (God) but that is outside science and has become reified in one dominant school of philosophy.

We have to record what signalling systems exist and how they relate:



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We Laugh because many primates de-stress at signalling confusion by laughing instead of collapsing or dying.

Simpler data systems like insects can also show bizarre behaviour:

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Data manipulation will unfold as:

2015 The age of Robots breaks

2027 The age of Gene Therapy break
2022 The age of Quantum Computers breaks

then the age of Machine Intelligence

2027 -> Resurrection and Singularity Superintelligence.




But all of these are in developement now.

eg
Gene therapy
Gene therapy trial 'cures children'

BBC News-11 Jul 2013



The costs of these will plummet, with the rich getting them first but the poor is shortening periods after.

Altruism and sharing are built into us like many species of event clusters in the cosmos:

Sanger Institute in bowel cancer genes 'breakthrough'

BBC News-9 Jul 2013

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How is sensor technology... progressing these days?

I'm trying to look at sensors & scanning. I'm very ill-organised and the breaking stuff isn't published anywhere (it generally comes out when a paper has been written and peer reviewed which is speeding up, but can still take a while.

An individual researcher may not see the need to tell anyone in the world what he's discovered!

Thanks.

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Robespierre.
Reference Article on QA




that isn't Napoleon...probably his valet! The information we have of faces..the face is an important signaller for most of our history and remains so...enables us to see what hard-wired signals are built in to some one.

Facial signals among primates are common
The Descent of Man, and Selection in Relation to Sex - Wikipedia


1872 Darwin House now a National Heritage public property:



Darwin's thinking patch:



It must be possible using probability to construct inwards, from the face to the brain...at least to some extent.
Any other information that survives like DNA will enable construction up to the body.

Cryonics aims at preserving memories by radically slowing decomposition of neural networks. at liquid nitrogen temperatures until scanning can be achieved.

It'll be fascinating if Quantum Theory is a better theory than Cause and Effect can be shown to work for the whole universe.

It wont change Quantum Archaeology thought we'll just use the quantum laws where they're better instead of the causal ones.

My own opposition to QT is based on ignorance of them: although everyone has to be @ present.

Physics isn't hard there's just lots of it like maths.

You just learn the symbols and learn the rules that connect them.

Laws of Science

Quantum Laws:

Wiki: Quantum mechanics, Quantum field theory
Schrödinger equation (general form): Describes the time dependence of a quantum mechanical system.
The Hamiltonian (in quantum mechanics) H is a self-adjoint operator acting on the state space, (see Dirac notation) is the instantaneous quantum state vector at time t, position r, i is the unit imaginary number, ħ = h/2π is the reduced Planck's constant. Wave-particle duality
Planck–Einstein law: the energy of photons is proportional to the frequency of the light (the constant is Planck's constant, h).
De Broglie wavelength: this laid the foundations of wave-particle duality, and was the key concept in the Schrödinger equation,
Heisenberg uncertainty principle: Uncertainty in position multiplied by uncertainty in momentum is at least half of the reduced Planck constant, similarly for time and energy;
The uncertainty principle can be generalized to any pair of observables - see main article. Wave mechanics
Schrödinger equation (original form): Pauli exclusion principle: No two identical fermions can occupy the same quantum state (bosons can). Mathematically, if two particles are interchanged, fermionic wavefunctions are anti-symmetric, while bosonic wavefunctions are symmetric:

where r_i is the position of particle i, and s is the spin of the particle. There is no way to keep track of particles physically, labels are only used mathematically to prevent confusion.

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Do you need the whole universe to be simulated in order to resurrect someone

No.

I dont think so.

Quote

"A subset of the Quantum Archaeology Grid, an Archaeology Matrix is a dimension grid of check points like a three dimensional log table, and you would be able to read off points of relevance to fill in complete people. The checkpoints help locate positioning of the artefact you are trying to recreate from the past."

The initial positions you have sited O Platypus, are for deterministic systems that later produce so-called non-deterministic outcomes?

Non-deterministic in the sense used in so-called chaos theory (chaos, a biblical terms meaning evil and disorder) is not possible).

If it was possible there would be no law, because where laws existed in the universe and laws did not exist would be what barier?


In this double compound pendulum, the laws of motion are known





I reiterate we are dealing with complexity.
This last is also Gerard 't Hooft "...the only reasonable view on the laws of nature is that they determine everything that happens, uniquely. This insight is necessary if you want to understand what is going on in a quantum system, in particular when you have entangled particles. However, this does not imply that the future is "predictable" in any way. Nature itself is the fastest calculator there is, and no one will ever beat that, apart from making statistical statements. That's what qm is."

While is must be true that each event happens uniquely, that is in terns of space-time (and other co-ordinates) and does not mean that there are hierarchies of classes of events.

We know that there are such classes atoms molecules, neutrons, stars solar systems etc.

I had delayed studying Quantum Theory because it wasn't defined and no-one understood it.

So I thought I'd wait 10 years and do it then.

It still isn't understood.

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COMPUTATIONS PER SECOND PER COMPUTER

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Kurzweil has shaken futurists into backing their prediction with chartist and exhuiastive research.


Chartism is an opion based on geometry patterns in trends.

Some of those trends are easy like the one above.

Others are debateable.

No-one can prove why many of the trends happen eg why Moore's Law works.
self-fulfilling prophesies etc
ut they look good.

Few people doubt technology is getting better.

You can chart what's happened in the past.

The data bases for the Catalog of Life

is getting huge

It aims to set down data of all life forms in classifications.

It;s here on line:

From Linaeus in the 1700's to

wiki
Willi Hennig
(1960)


(April 20, 1913 – November 5, 1976) was a German biologist who is considered the founder of phylogenetic systematics, also known as cladistics. With his works on evolution and systematics he revolutionised the view of the natural order of beings. As a taxonomist, he specialised in dipterans (ordinary flies and mosquitoes)."

He did much of his ideations in Prisoner of War camp:



The classification system in the Catalogue of Life is an attempt to set down all living things.

Catalogue of Life: CLHome

www.catalogueoflife.org/‎