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#541 Julia36

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:10 PM

The biological data base is huge and much of it is going converting to information in computers.

Synthesised with the myriad other data bases

it is easy to see that hypercomputation will be able to juggle and cross-refernce
both the Records (hitherto refereed only to the Archaeological record, but I propose extending that to all data base records).

To those you add mathematical programs like MATLAB
(Woolfram has kindly put A New Kind of Science online...just in case you thought only my stuff's nuts)

plus inputing the laws of phyics.


Computing it on a zoom-able grid will result
and the Quantum Archaeology Grid will exist.

One dynamic grid where catalytic processes and nuclear processes in classical science and relativity PLUS quantum science perspectives (the world can be seen as quantum probabilities all the way to the largest scales)

can be converted to maps like Google to view.

At that point we will have a map of people's thoughts and the robotics technology will be available to reassemble them.

I calculate that date as about 2027 IF Superintelligence does not get built before.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:46 PM

Hard to see convergent technology unless you track it, and most of new stuff is not published yet

Nanotechnology is the scale (one billionth of a metre) we are prototyping most of (and some is in production) with nanorobots in labs.
I'm no expert at nano stuff but it looks analogous to the advent of oil..unbiquitous uses.

What different from oil it the coast: it will slide to nil

and the avilability

everywhere



these convergent technologies will add to general tech infrastructure speeding the arrival of scientific resurrection


There is a really big race some of are engaged in, to get ascendency in computing.

The group/nation with the best computers dominates the rest...stripping patents, spying, predicting in orders of magnitude for control of the earth's future.

ibm machines can read and understand the whole of wikipedia in under hours now.

Chief medical scientist ibm (Jan 2013) on WATSON

1 hour (36 mins is is good.)



Weak A.I.-> expert systems (stripping what humans do and building specialist systems that synthesise to appear generally intelligent.

Serious attempts at general human intelligence levels again after they were all abandoned decades ago when the british sceintist announced they were impossible (The Lighthill controversy)

So while funding affected how fast A.I. emerged:
it can no longer be stopped as it's too widespread.

A.I.

Stage I

we build beter syetms


when we get them good enough

2 Stage 2 they build better systems on an exponential at fantastic accelerations between generations.

That's a hard take off.

Vernor Vinge think it most likely, and called it for 2017 when cornered!.

The speed of progress itself is quickening.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:57 PM

energy manipulation (solar) means cheaper energy
SOLAR POWERED AIR FLIGHT

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Today:

Good for 3 mins then jump to 14 minutes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL-tY-9eGABwxPrlhhkJem5jFN3ZdLq0sE&feature=player_embedded&v=_q-UH1xAUdI

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:18 AM

WE struggle for long life - to live long enough so we can get svaiour technolgy

This from 18th June last months on fruit flies added 24% even to old ones

can act even in individuals who are already long-lived and healthy.

UC Irvine :

Rhodiola rosea most herbalists dont have sufficient amount in their potions

The lesser creature studies can be misleading because some subjects die.
However it's useful to add to tea mixtures with white tea green tea black tea blueberries etc etc

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Rhodiola rosea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodiola_rosea‎

If Quantum Archaeology works we wont need it.

It is pretty easy to do your own fruit fly tests on this

We share the same metabolic pathways in many areas/for many substances.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:28 AM

Although the Age of Robots (when they get like 3D Printers have hit us)
isn't until 2015
some early ones are already in use. and their predicted course is easily chartable


http://finance.yahoo...-142756655.html
"On a windy morning in California's Salinas Valley, a tractor pulled a wheeled, metal contraption over rows of budding iceberg lettuce plants. Engineers from Silicon Valley tinkered with the software on a laptop to ensure the machine was eliminating the right leafy buds.
The engineers were testing the Lettuce Bot, a machine that can "thin" a field of lettuce in the time it takes about 20 workers to do the job by hand.
The thinner is part of a new generation of machines that target the last frontier of agricultural mechanization — fruits and vegetables destined for the fresh market, not processing, which have thus far resisted mechanization because they're sensitive to bruising."



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Cow - milking robots sweep irish farms (first 5 minutes should be enough!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jazPK3qvH4Y

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:51 AM

Stem cell teeth

2nd July 2013
Its important we dont get these blocked by monopolies.

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Teeth That Replace Themselves

"Scientists have made advances in treating tooth decay that they hope will let them restore tooth tissue—and avoid the painful dental procedure. Several recent studies have demonstrated in animals that procedures involving tooth stem cells appear to regrow the critical, living tooth tissue known as pulp."
"Dr. D'Souza estimates that human clinical trials of the hydrogel strategy could begin as soon as two or three years from now and be available as a therapy within five years."

its be hitting dentists surgeries in 2017 IMO


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R06gaUBa4-w





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Posted 15 July 2013 - 03:09 AM

"Single Cell Sequencing breakthrough enables scientists to decipher the genome of just one cell by amplifying its DNA by 1-billion-fold"

today:
Breakthrough helps track the past

"Genome sequencing enhances our understanding of the biological world by providing blueprints for the evolutionary and functional diversity that shapes the biosphere. However, microbial genomes that are currently available are of limited phylogenetic breadth, owing to our historical inability to cultivate most microorganisms in the laboratory. We apply single-cell genomics to target and sequence 201 uncultivated archaeal and bacterial cells from nine diverse habitats belonging to 29 major mostly uncharted branches of the tree of life, so-called ‘microbial dark matter’. With this additional genomic information, we are able to resolve many intra- and inter-phylum-level relationships and to propose two new superphyla. We uncover unexpected metabolic features that extend our understanding of biology and challenge established boundaries between the three domains of life. These include a novel amino acid use for the opal stop codon, an archaeal-type purine synthesis in Bacteria and complete sigma factors in Archaea similar to those in Bacteria. The single-cell genomes also served to phylogenetically anchor up to 20% of metagenomic reads in some habitats, facilitating organism-level interpretation of ecosystem function. This study greatly expands the genomic representation of the tree of life and provides a systematic step towards a better understanding of biological evolution on our planet."




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Posted 15 July 2013 - 03:29 AM

Quantum Archaeology hasn't hit phase 2 yet...it st ethical...(phase 3 is everyone know it was great and viable) because stuck in phase 1. no-one thinks it can work.

-Of course - they haven't studied it.


Another industry is breaking and is in phase 2 like A.I....is it moral?

Playing With Life: Are Living Video Games Ethical?

Mashable-6 hours ago





As we simulate details smaller than the living cell into games...the 'beings' inside your system have all the qualities of life - including suffering.





Once we can simulate these (an amoeba - above) we can describe it.

We can add it to the data bases forming the Archaeology Grid, and run it against all the other decriptions, plotting lines back to the past and mapping the mind and bodes of the dead.



"Any illusion indistinguishable from reality is reality" Maxims of Witchcraft.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:01 PM

Published on 18 Jun 2013
"A new study by astronomers at NASA, Johns Hopkins University and the Rochester Institute of Technology confirms long-held suspicions about how stellar-mass black holes produce their highest-energy light.
By analyzing a supercomputer simulation of gas flowing into a black hole, the team finds they can reproduce a range of important X-ray features long observed in active black holes. Jeremy Schnittman, an astrophysicist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., led the research.

Black holes are the densest objects known. Stellar black holes form when massive stars run out of fuel and collapse, crushing up to 20 times the sun's mass into compact objects less than 75 miles (120 kilometers) wide.

Gas falling toward a black hole initially orbits around it and then accumulates into a flattened disk. The gas stored in this disk gradually spirals inward and becomes greatly compressed and heated as it nears the center, ultimately reaching temperatures up to 20 million degrees Fahrenheit (12 million C), or some 2,000 times hotter than the sun's surface. It glows brightly in low-energy, or soft, X-rays.

For more than 40 years, however, observations show that black holes also produce considerable amounts of "hard" X-rays, light with energy tens to hundreds of times greater than soft X-rays. This higher-energy light implies the presence of correspondingly hotter gas, with temperatures reaching billions of degrees.

The new study involves a detailed computer simulation that simultaneously tracked the fluid, electrical and magnetic properties of the gas while also taking into account Einstein's theory of relativity. Using this data, the scientists developed tools to track how X-rays were emitted, absorbed, and scattered in and around the disk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1SM18kDm3k

The study demonstrates for the first time a direct connection between magnetic turbulence in the disk, the formation of a billion-degree corona above and below the disk, and the production of hard X-rays around an actively "feeding" black hole."

source Youtube Thunder Aerospace

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:16 PM

Solving DNA puzzles is overwhelming computer systems, researchers warn



COMPUTING POWER = SURVIVAL

The more we can do maths (computing is ONLY maths) the more we can change our bodies and the defences we have.

Scientists can use all the computing power we can produce.

If we can get enough, we can model human processes and environmental invasions/disruptions like disease and ageing.

Vast digital storage facilities are being built.

People dont librarian and fetch or alter stuff.

Robots have been doing it for more than 4 years:



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:31 PM

Artefacts are in danger of damage and one way to safeguard information is to digiatilze it and distribute it on line.

Ireland has the beginnings of museums going interactive

but are finding it hard to get some artefacts through the doors

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:03 PM

http://www.youtube.c...6bqbTo4Qs#at=31

VIDEO click link above
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Google glasses competition EU


I dont get that's its/gioogle's mega innovative to shrink some aspects of a smartphone onto a see through screen??.But I haven't tried them.


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Shrinkage is rolling though


A working personal computer basic chipset is at $16 Rapspberry pi, but a far cheaper one is skipping

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Most chucked computers are because of upgrading, so just walking around & assembling junk will get you online free

Since supercomputers are just desktops stuck together, you can assemble a powerful one for under $50

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:40 PM

Computing IS maths.

If we can do the maths ourselves we dont need computers.

So any maths advances helps short-cut stuff.

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Dr. Miasnikov and Dr. Kharlampovich will update ICM attendees on the progress of their collaboration to develop a framework using first-order logic that allows mathematicians to approach previously unsolvable problems. Most of the fundamental properties of objects that occur in everyday mathematical practice can be described in a very particular, stripped down, but universal language called first-order logic. The collaborators constructed an algorithm to state categorically with first-order theory that certain mathematical objects held a definitive property. This algorithm opened the gates to answering a host of other unsolved problems, such as their ongoing NSF-funded research on the first-order theories in algebra."







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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:51 PM

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Pictures above from Aberdeen.
Most of it's ancient history unnoticed.
World's oldest calendar dating back more than 10,000 years discovered in Scotland
  • The monument is made up of 12 pits that appear to mimic moon phases
  • This would have made it possible for residents to track lunar months
  • It was discovered in Warren Field near Crathes Castle in Aberdeenshire
  • The discovery predates the earliest known calendar by 5,000 years
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http://www.dailymail...l#ixzz2Z93Vjcko

BBC News - 'World's oldest calendar' in field



www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-233166211 hour ago - Archaeologists believe they have discovered the world's oldest lunar "calendar" in an Aberdeenshire field.


Do you think Archaeology is going to stop?

No!

It;s going to reach into the quantum and map people's dead thoughts (and dead people's thoughts)

ready for coming robotics to resurrect (about 2027 IMO.

Despite the distance back in history, people still follow the tree of life and their DNA can be traced, then modified by the Records, and laws of science to get maps of individuals and their memories to the Nth degree our accelerating technology delivers.

Scottish standing stones from ancient civilisations
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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:04 PM



The histories we recreate are us trying to examine ourselves and the logical outcome...that we reunite with our pasts.

Hostrical drmas like this ad, increasingly get accurate ie they adhere to 1st hand sources.

the result will be a simulation of our hitopries in enouhg detail to recreate anyone who has ever lived (and anything)

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:29 PM

The Quantum Archeologist


short story by Dan Maurer
http://www.danielrob...quantumarch.php

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The first time my wife died wasn't the hardest.
Biological life is just a chemical reaction that sustains itself. Death is when the effort fails, and we all know that effort fails eventually.
She was the pilot. She was flying us to our summer home just off the Yucatan at Isla Mujeres. We never got there. The tiny plane stalled over the Gulf, though precisely where I don't know. It couldn't have been far from Cuba, as I woke up on one of their beaches, stunned with a broken collarbone and a radius jutting out from my forearm, but alive. My wife was nowhere. Gone. Just gone. When they recovered the wreckage they found her. You will forgive me if I don't dwell on that.
Are people immortal when you are? I mean barring accidents and some diseases, of course. In your now? No? Well, kind of for us, but accidents do happen. Death was stranger then than it must be for you. I mean rarer. Even when we were young, though, we say that we would rather die than be without someone. That is stupid romantic bullshit. The romantics didn't know what we know.
I forgot to introduce myself. I'm Olson. By that I mean I am Dr. C. Olson. My name isn't important; not really. But what is important is that I pioneered the field of quantum archeology. And by pioneered, I mean started.
Think of a glass of water on a desk. You remember from school that the water is made of hydrogen and oxygen molecules. How many? There are more molecules in each glass of water than have there have been glasses of water. Statistically, you are drinking the same water that Genghis Kahn, Julius Caesar, Hitler, your grandmother, and Socrates have drank before you. And that's just a glass of water. Each one of those molecules has atoms and each atom has protons and electrons and (sometimes) neutrons and those have their quarks and quirks. We could go on. Each of those particles has had enough interactions in the past 20 seconds to be unfathomable, even from sitting on that desk there. But there are rules, no? There are rules. And when there are rules, you can make certain assumptions.
That's right that's right. I know what you're saying with your Heisenberg and your principles. And that a particle is more a lump of probability than a thing. What do you think we're doing here? Accounting? Kind of, I guess. Double entry, no less. Though it always equals zero.

I know what you're saying with your Heisenberg and your principles.
Now, I don't know when you'll be reading this, so you'll have to take me at my word that the idea of simulating reality was already at a high level. Simulating reality was common enough at a level that people traded "seed realities" between themselves to play with at home. But these were simulations and games. Even at their most detailed, they were coarse representations of reality. Microscopes and telescopes didn't work on objects in-world in many of the simulation engines. Oh, sure, some had their work-arounds, but most things were not at that fine of a detail. And what would they get that far down for? Most of the time, they were just calculating the raw physics of the world. Close enough, right? Like playing hose shoes, hand-grenades, nuclear missiles, etc.
So I built on that. I got closer. And I realized if you knew enough to know what something was going to do, that you could reverse that, and if you knew enough to know what was going on, then you could figure out what had happened before. And there are shortcuts. If you're worried about the glass of water, you are not concerned about the sun at that second. At the speed of light, it would need 8 minutes to matter. As it is with all things.
Listen, it's not as hard as it seems. I know there is a model of physics that gives an analogy of particles as billiard balls. That's a terrible model. But this part of the analogy holds: if you see a ball rolling across the billiard table at such and such a speed, you can probably figure out where it came from. Particles aren't balls, just tiny humps of probability. Numbers are reality. Plato was more right than even he knew.
This idea isn't new. They ran the simulators at a gross level back and figured out the big bang happened, back in the 1900s some time. Like almost all science, I'm not being really novel here. It's just progress: slow, frustratingly intermittent progress. It's called science.
But I made progress, learned, and gladly taught computers powerful enough to run countries. Qubits danced. I made the first breakthrough within the first year of real work. It may not seem like much, but I was able to witness myself two seconds before I started the experiment. You can do the same with film, but this wasn't a movie. No cameras were present. I was able to calculate the position of enough particles in my body two seconds before. It looked like a ghost or, maybe, an echo out of the past, if you're a literary type.
Remember the small glass of water? I'm not a tall glass of water by any definition. Remember my wife? I did.
Six years later I was able to see back six months in a bubble slightly larger than the area of my office. The quality was at a level roughly analogous to really early television. Another year after that I could see the people who rented the space before I did, even though I never met them.

I could see the people who rented the space before I did
This might seem slow, but given the increase in scale and interaction trees, you would be surprised at how fast that progress was.
I started to call it quantum archeology. Which sounds really cheesy, but as I thought about it the name grew on me. The first iteration of archeology included dirt and broken femurs and pottery shattered and poetry in tongues unknown even in the times of Babel. But each trip back brought more detail. The same concept applied to what I was doing. The computers rendered and we traveled into the past. Six months. A year. A decade. My own childhood. My own broken femurs and broken lamps.
Have you ever confronted your own conception? A repressed memory? A false, fabricated memory? How about one of those events and the memories that make you want to kill yourself over and over again every time you think about it? Those events where every word is like pulling a trigger on a gun? Yeah. Live through them all without the benefit of your own brain making you look good.
I am not a crackpot.
Why not the future? The future was uncertainty. You can't tell what happened yet because something is outside our light-cone, like the Feynman diagrams say. I can't tell that the stars in the Alpha Centauri didn't blow up and release dangerous gamma rays and will kill us when they finally get here in a few minutes. The future is always like that, actually, just generally less calamitous. Generally. But cosmic rays are obnoxious. And probability is still probability. In the past, if we calculate the sun blew up, then we know that isn't true. In the future, not so much.
I never did get much further than the near Earth system, as far as my window goes. Someone smarter will have to do that.
%%%

My invention was of little concern to those who prognosticate, but only those who are interested in the past. Police and historians and engineers were fascinated with my invention. Lawyers didn't care for it, at least right away.
The military wanted two, of course. They wanted to know what the enemy had planned before they could implement it. This led to a minor race of communication between the super-powers of the day. Could you do something before someone knew you wanted to? The short answer is: yes, but only just barely.
Regardless, the detail left a little to be desired, sometimes. The fine-grain features were a trifle fuzzy at first. It got better. Iterations on the past, like I said.
The world's timeline populated with events mundane and fantastic. Jesus was historical but he got better and pushed the stone away. The Queen of England sat on a toilet like most other Brits of her day. There was talk about the past's privacy, but they could not object, so neither did we.
And, because we could figure out everything, it meant we could figure out the running of a human mind and run it forwards and backwards.
I brought one back. As much as we could at the time, and placed his mind into the "now" of a sim-space and set it to run. One minute, he was talking with his wife and then...with me, who joined him in sim-space.
He was just a man. Middle aged. Nothing spectacular. His name was Steve. Even his when was uninteresting. So uninteresting in fact that I'll fail to mention when his when specifically was. It was more recent than not, since Susan but not much after that; I didn't want to explain the physics of what I had done too much to him, and I wanted to talk to him. He would know the physics; that was his job.
He asked if his wife had been cheating on him. She hadn't. I told him so. He looked relieved. Everyone was always worried about screwing. He did not ask if he would live long. He would not.
I integrated his memories with my own. We calculated a thousand real lifetimes in the computer and put them in my real head. What was one more life to regret?
Turns out sometimes it is quite a bit.
At times I couldn't remember that I wasn't Attila the Hun or Marilyn Monroe or Marilyn Manson for that matter. I just took them all and lived their lives, or at least a reasonable facsimile thereof. And the closer you got the more time it took to figure out everything perfectly, so there were gaps and blurry parts.
But that's not why I was there, that reasonable facsimile with the gaps. I was there for reality. I was there to undo something. I needed reality as sharp as I could get it.
%%%

The first time I resurrected Susan was a failure. I had tried it far too soon in the process. Before Steve, when things were still fuzzy on some of the edges. Before, really, I knew what I had done.
No, that's stupid. I knew what I did. I realize that my narrative here is getting a little jumpy. The reality is a little jumpy, as well.
I had figured every bit of her before the crash. Every atom of iron in her blood and every molecule of CO2 in her lungs were there.
I said it was a failure and I will tell you why: I tried to fix the embolism before starting the sim. For some reason, when I went to see her in there, there was a gaping hole of nothingness in her chest, just a nothing. The simulation crashed and I didn't even get a memory dump from that run. I had to forensically account for each thing, rerunning her death over and over and over and combing through the simulated reality. That reality we had simulated was paradoxical. It could not exist. It would be as if it contained squared circles or a god.
This took a while. But I was only 200 years old; I had time. My friends wanted me to sabbatical and enjoy the next century or so, I didn't know how they could.
I kept trying to fix the embolism. The next time she wasn't even conscious. Then she was babbling childishly. Then infantile. Running each sim over and over, tweaking. Occasionally there was a complete relapse into nothing. Then angry. Then sad. One time she didn't know who I was.
Grief is what we get when reality fails to meet our expectations. And each time was worse. I felt so close, but each time was a new disappointment. The worst one: she looked scared. Her eyes fluttered back and forth in her sockets; her knuckles were whitened and her body was tense. She didn't say anything but I knew it was wrong. Just wrong. I force-killed the sim and tried to forget what that me had seen.
Again, I walked into the simulator just as I had a thousand times before. Well, maybe not a thousand. Countless, probably, in that I didn't count them. There might be a log or something. And walk, well, that's kind of a metaphor, right?
That's not important. No no no. I watched my wife, Susan, as she opened her eyes; she could tell that this was wrong. Not morally wrong, but logically wrong. It didn't fit into her timeline; like waking from a vivid dream.
There were a dozen worlds where she did not have eyes, just gaping holes where those wet orbs should be. I do not know why. I think on those every time I sleep.

There were a dozen worlds where she did not have eyes
"Why am I here, Chris?"
"What do you mean?"
"Why am I here, Chris? I remember the plane falling out of the sky, and I remember you having no gray hair. What's happened?"
What would I tell her? I would tell her the approximate truth. That was the only option, really.
"We remade you," I said. "From bits of carbon and oxygen and other trace elements."
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Illustration by me.
"How did you do that?"
"Math. We know how the universe works. Every. Single. Particle. Well, it's not particles. That's not important. Once we know how it is, it's just math."
"So you reincarnated me?"
I couldn't lie to her. I'm not a crackpot.
"Not quite yet. You're a sim right now. This is a test before we make your body."
A previous iteration of her stopped here and stared at me, dead. This one didn't. This one just paused. Then she asked "I'll not be the same stuff, obviously. So you made me from nothing?"
"Well, from..."
"Carbon and other trace elements. Got that," she started to move, take in her surroundings. Then she asked, "Why?"
"Because we needed you."
Did she die again? No, it wasn't that time, but another, was this time the worst? It might, maybe. I can't remember sometimes. I drank for a while. Once she looked at me and laughed and then kept laughing as her eyes went wide with fright when she couldn't stop. I killed her simulation then, her face frozen in a terrible smile.
Back to this now, this when: She looked at me. She was skeptical. I couldn't lie to her.
"We..." I started. Stopped. Opened my mouth again; then stopped. "I mean...I love you."
She stared out the window, not answering. This was her way. The room was mostly white and plain and dull, but the window was large and below us the city looked like a forest. Occasional buildings and solar panels jutted through the green. There was a city down there, under the canopy. On the wall opposite the window was a splash of color. It was a screen, but for now, it looked like someone had thrown yellow paint at the wall. If you walked up to screen, it would sense your head's location and orientation and adjust the shadows, simulating 3D inside a simulated world.
I walked up to the wall and touched it. The splash of color disappeared and then the wall showed an equation. It was very short, but no shorter than it had to be. Any shorter and it would break. I had worked hard for it to become so. Every variable would increase the complexity; every variable makes it that much harder to calculate.
"That's it. That's why you're here. That and because I love you."
She looked at it. This was something she could do in her head, if she knew what the symbols meant. And could carry the decimal places. It was kind of beautiful.
"If you found me in the past, can you tell the future?"
"Kind of. We can't even tell the past all the way back. There are rounding errors, so to speak, at a point. The model is not reality. Map/territory, as they used to say, when they used maps. We can eliminate extra information that confuses the computations much easier from the past. As for the future, we can statistically control for things we assume will happen, like the radiation from the sun; but we don't know if that supernova or some solar flare event will knock everything out or some distant flux in interstellar dust will move anything. It's all outside of our light cone."
"So you can merely guess at the future."
"Precisely."
"Why didn't you just say that?"
I grinned stupidly. It was her. I started to cry right then because I could talk to her again. It wasn't a dream, it was a simulation. And we could move her to the real world. I would remember it when I woke up and I could come back when I wanted. Before when I talked to her it was always a dream. Or I had screwed up and she got scared and I had to kill her again and again and again and I couldn't stop imagining all those dead Susans right that second. I had to push it all down and it took me a second to regain the ability to breathe. She looked a little worried, but then I asked:
"Are you happy to be back?"
"I didn't even know I was gone. How long did it take you to...calculate back to me?"
"I've been at it for...doesn't matter. It was worth it."
She looked at me. She arched her eyebrow up. Her motor control appeared normal. I was crying.
"So, I guess you are finally older than me," she said.
"Well, I don't know about that." I said. "Your birthday is technically still before mine."
"Fine. You've existed longer than me. Happy, now?"
I kept grinning that stupid grin. That was the stupidest question she could have asked.
"Happy now?" I mocked. She grinned.
"Can we go home now?"
"Almost."
I made some gesture. The equation dissolved and the splash of color re-emerged. A second later, a schematic of her body replaced it. There was a red dot near the middle of her chest. Not near her heart, but in her lung. That was the embolism.
"We know what killed you. It's not a problem, now. Very little is. But we still have to fix it. Just a day. We've already started, in fact." I had, in fact, started fabbing her new body as soon as the sim booted so we could dump this simulation of her mind into it. She probably wouldn't even remember this. I had to decide.
We could make the body. She'd go to sleep here and wake up and then she'd be real. And I would be able to hug her, just hold her tight and have her hold me.
"Why couldn't you fix me when you were remaking me?"
"Causality. The particles don't care if you're dead, after all. It's safer this way."
I waved the schematic away. The splash of color returned.
"Chris?"
"Yes."
"You said that you can calculate the past."
"Yeah."
"How far?"
"So far? Far enough to know exactly what Socrates said when they gave him the hemlock."
She looked at me for a second. Amazed.
"I remember the plane. I was flying it, then not. This is me at that moment, right? Or just before? Is that why I don't remember dying?"
"Yes."
"You were on the plane. Did you watch me die?"
"No." That was kind of a lie. I didn't watch her first hand, at least that time.
"What happened?"
Of course I knew what happened, on any scale.
"I don't want to talk about that, now," I said. "You're here."
"I'm here.
At this point, I was well over 400 years old. She had been dead for over two centuries. And here she was, again. She would think about it soon enough. How could I explain this obsessive love? Even our own children said it was too much. But it didn't matter. She was here. Here. And she loved me just like that last day. And I loved her.
"I love you," I said. She smiled at me.
"I love you, too,' she said. She looked thoughtful for a moment, "So, what did he say?"
"Who?"
"Socrates."
I paused a second.
"I don't know. I never learned Greek," I said. She laughed high and light. I had waited for that sound for so long and I could never sick of it.



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India's Last Telegram sends

"NEW DELHI (AP) — India's last telegram went out late Sunday, marking the end of a service that millions of Indians had relied on for fast communication for more than 160 years.

Hundreds of people thronged the 75 telegraph offices remaining in the country to send their last telegrams to friends or family as a keepsake.

The company cancelled holidays for staff at the offices to handle the rush"

India sends its last telegram



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Dogs to get Google Glasses


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If men are capable of future dramatic intelligence and body enhancements IT MUST FOLLOW that animals will try them out first.

What is to limit dogs outstripping us, since if they can enhance to human levels they themselves will enhance further

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:36 PM

Manipulation and Measurement are the issue for Quantum Archaeology and Cryonic recoveries.

Acoustophoretic contactless transport and handling of matter in air

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=etSivpBHUmE

we're ahead of this using sound to levitate objects.

But sound is also being used for operations for prototype operations at the cellular level

The study was published online 15 july 2013

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Levitation and controlled motion of matter in air have a wealth of potential applications ranging from materials processing to biochemistry and pharmaceuticals. We present a unique acoustophoretic concept for the contactless transport and handling of matter in air. Spatiotemporal modulation of the levitation acoustic field allows continuous planar transport and processing of multiple objects, from near-spherical (volume of 0.1–10 μL) to wire-like, without being limited by the acoustic wavelength. The independence of the handling principle from special material properties (magnetic, optical, or electrical) is illustrated with a wide palette of application experiments, such as contactless droplet coalescence and mixing, solid–liquid encapsulation, absorption, dissolution, and DNA transfection. More than a century after the pioneering work of Lord Rayleigh on acoustic radiation pressure, a path-breaking concept is proposed to harvest the significant benefits of acoustic levitation in air.



The ultrasound scanner that plugs into a SMARTPHONE to revolutionise medical care
  • The MobiUS scanner plugs on smartphones to instant scan image on screen
  • £7,000 but price to plummet. Battery-powered: shares scan images to hospitals/remote diagnoses
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(Daily Mail)

http://www.dailymail...-countries.html
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ACOUSTICS are an important way of coming Measurement

Much of human signalling was based on it.

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(Phys.org) —ETH researchers are able to make objects such as particles and liquid droplets fly in mid-air by letting them ride on acoustic waves. For the first time, they have been able to also control the movement of objects, merge droplets, letting them react chemically or biologically and even rotate a toothpick in the air.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news...-video.html#jCp
Surfing on acoustic waves (w/ Video)

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:42 PM

NB It would be insane not to get frozen @ present because Quantum Archaeology has not resurrected a specific individual living being yet (only a species and parts of near billion year extinct microbiologies).

Cryonics UK

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:57 PM

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Smart dust

you spinkle it on the brain and it sends back images is ideated and being attenpted:

arxiv.org/abs/1307.2196: Neural Dust: An Ultrasonic, Low Power Solution for Chronic Brain-Machine Interfaces

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:20 PM

We're reconstucting the past as ARCHAEOLOGY expands using:

1) Discovery

2) Measurement

3) Calculation.


All 3 are entering the Quantum realm (under 100 nanometres)


QUANTUM ARCHAEOLOGY posits we will be shortly (in 2040 yrs but probably by 2027) be able to resurrect all the dead -memories and all - using coming hyper-computation in a giant archaeology matrix, and micro-robotic assemblers.



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Secret passage - chamber and toilet discovered at Drum Castle in Scotland - the oldest in the UK's National Heritage

ARCHAEOLOGISTS have discovered a secret medieval chamber and its ancient loo - hidden for centuries - during a conservation scheme to protect the oldest castle keep in Scotland.
The remarkable discovery has been made at the 700-year-old medieval tower at the National Trust for Scotland’s Drum Castle near Banchory
Drum Castle, the seat of the Chief of Clan Irvine for centuries, has the oldest keep in Scotland and is the oldest intact building in the care of the trust."

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These artefactual discoveries are impoartnt for Quantum Archaeology to log the present and track it into the past.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:25 PM







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Reference Article on QA


QUANTUM ARCHAEOLOGY
Tthe controversial science of resurrecting the dead.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies."
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  • Micro Map of the past being created.
  • Quantum computers and new maths to calculate detailed histories and memories of everyone dead.
  • Face and body reconstructions a million years old already achieved: mind reconstructions coming.
  • 106 billion people to be resurrected within 40 years.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:45 PM

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When people want die- it is always the Lazarus Long delusion and a consequence of suffering

The meme shift is HUGE to immortality. I've never met anyone who has shifted enough.

So I doubt you can get there intellectually eno9ugh to reprogramme your unconscious.

We have a rich culture that weaves in acceptance of death with continuance myths

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 06:55 PM

London Festival of Archaeology is underway opening the treasure filled beaches of the Thames for two days only to dig up stuff.
The priceless Crown Jewels are somewhere buried in the mud there when James II fled the Tower

"The free event will allow people to dig for Tudor pottery, medieval coins and Roman belt buckles among other gems at Tower Beach.
Coinciding with the 2013 Festival of British Archaeology, there will also be displays, talks and games from the Tower of London’s curators.
The weekend represents the only time of the year when the beach is open to the public, who are invited to engage in Tower’s rich history.
It will be held from 11am-4pm on Saturday (July 27) and Sunday (28)."

These artefacts (loads will be dug up on the coming week-end) will be placed into the archaeological record.

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Someone pulled this priceless larger-than-life head of Emperor Hadrian from The Thames, and people still hunt for the body.

These artefacts are data in the present giving data about the past..

As we assemble the archaeological record, we can synthesise it with the biological and cosmic and geological and other record to build the Quantum Archaeology Grid.


Ancient European Farmers Used Manure 8000 Years Ago

it's huge when it comes to understanding how advanced Neolithic farmers were

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From the edges of evidence we can work in causally and probabilistically to construct maps of the past is such detail we will be able to state who was were, what they did and what their environment was.

As calculation speeds, we will be able to calculate what their DNA was, and by 2027 what their epigenetics were (using the environment) and what their thoughts were (their thoughts can ONLY have been their biologies plus their environment)

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The techniques we have to examining a item are improving.
Quantum Analysis ( presently mainly carbon dating) is only beginning.


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Each artefact implies things about others: a skill might tell you about the weather and the activities of people then.

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FUTURE ARCHAEOLOGY:
"Barry has just located a website that hasn't had any hits for 45 years...It's a real breakthrough"

We have more than enough artefacts to assemble a map of a the whole of the past down past the planck scale IMO - with hypercomputing or new maths.

The more maths the less artefact you need for the same result.


This is where Quantum Archaeology diverges from Cryonics:

QA posits we dont need suspensions, we will be able to map any individual with calculation.

Cryonics posits the physical body (esp the brain) is important for revival.

Ettinger thought it may be essential and was engaged in the Quantum Archaeology debate.

At the time we first corresponded, Evolutionary biology had not resurrected extinct specimens.

Now it has, including one extinct species of goat (which died after 2 hours).

wiki

"In January 2000, the Pyrenean ibex became extinct"
In 2009 Pyrenean ibex DNA used in a cloning project in an attempt to "de-extinct" the species.
This was the first attempt to revive an extinct subspecies, although the process technically began before the extinction of the species.

First Extinct-Animal Clone Created


NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC

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"The clones were then implanted into other subspecies of Spanish ibex or goat-ibex hybrids.
If the environment in which an embryo develops is not a close match, problems can occur during pregnancy. Of the 208 embryos the researchers implanted, only seven goats became pregnant, and just one .. made it to term. (but died 2 hours after birth]

- not for the squeamish.


The early stages are the foundations of Quantum Archaeology.

It doesn't take many steps before you move from a species to an individual.
data gathering -----. the laws of biology, chemistry and physics,---> calculation and knowing the laws of evolution, and reconfiguring the moving environment.


The difficulaty is one of c



So it doesn't matter

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:04 PM

What software can do is speeding faster than hardware, but it's nothing to what;s coming.

Acceleration is due from 2022 when machine systems design their own software (and anything else)

by 2027 everyone who has died will be resurrected


Far Out software knows exactly where you'll be on a precise time ...

Daily Mail-9 hours ago

Researchers from Microsoft and Google can predict where a person will be years from now using a new computer software called Far Out

New Software Tells Who's in the Forest and Who Isn't

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Researchers have developed software that can listen to recordings of a rainforest and tell us what animals are there, and importantly...

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This is real. Venus Flytrap
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If you understand the venus flytrap you understand consciousness.



The world can be described in data and the laws of science.

But it can be predicted back into the past to the Nth degree of certainty
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Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:16 PM

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Attempts are being made to reverse engineer a Stradivarius violin.

The secret of manufacturer has never been deciphered.

But it's bound to be achieved one cost $3,600,000 to buy
Scientists Pursue Recreating A Stradivarius Violin

Science 2.0-8 Jul 2013

Antonio Stradivari is universally recognized as the most famous violin maker in the world - if people can name one violin, it is his. During his life, he and his apprentices built more than a thousand violins, violas, cellos and other stringed instruments. The importance of Stradivari's work obviously lies in the craftsmanship, the quality of the materials used and the finishes on the instruments' surfaces. The sound of a violin is a result of the combination of the materials used e.g. wood species and varnishes, the construction technique and the skill of the maker.

So scientists have sought to duplicate that sound by reverse-engineering ways it could have been done.

A new study by Marco Malagodi from the Università degli Studi di Pavia in Italy and colleagues uses a range of analytical methods to identify the techniques used by violin master Antonio Stradivari in the 17th century, and attempts to replicate his craftsmanship." more
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If you get that the past can be run forwards or backwards according to the data available AND we are increasing that data available

It is easy to see we will recreate people exactly (ie down to the relevant minimum sizes)

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:33 PM

We understand one-way order because it is efficient to assume it

But the world of man is theoretically describable in symbols and the rules that govern them.

Once those are uploaded to calculating machines we must be able to configure the whole of history

More Japanese precision marching


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:15 PM

Physicists publish solution to the quantum measurement problem


This has to happen but I dont know if this is it.

(I dont understand quantum theory but it's reasonable to suppose how it works will be revealed as we drop down is scales to strings)
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www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370157312004085
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The quantum measurement problem, to wit, understanding why a unique outcome is obtained in each individual experiment, is currently tackled by solving models. After an introduction we review the many dynamical models proposed over the years for elucidating quantum measurements. The approaches range from standard quantum theory, relying for instance on quantum statistical mechanics or on decoherence, to quantum–classical methods, to consistent histories and to modifications of the theory. Next, a flexible and rather realistic quantum model is introduced, describing the measurement of the zz-component of a spin through interaction with a magnetic memory simulated by a Curie–Weiss magnet, including N≫1N≫1 spins weakly coupled to a phonon bath. Initially prepared in a metastable paramagnetic state, it may transit to its up or down ferromagnetic state, triggered by its coupling with the tested spin, so that its magnetization acts as a pointer. A detailed solution of the dynamical equations is worked out, exhibiting several time scales. Conditions on the parameters of the model are found, which ensure that the process satisfies all the features of ideal measurements. Various imperfections of the measurement are discussed, as well as attempts of incompatible measurements. The first steps consist in the solution of the Hamiltonian dynamics for the spin-apparatus density matrix Posted ImageDˆ(tf) that involves correlations between the system and the indications of the pointer, thus ensuring registration. Although Posted ImageDˆ(tf) into a sum of sub-matrices, so that one cannot infer from its sole determination the states that would describe small subsets of runs. This difficulty is overcome by dynamics due to suitable interactions within the apparatus, which produce a special combination of relaxation and decoherence associated with the broken invariance of the pointer. Any subset of runs thus reaches over a brief delay a stable state which satisfies the same hierarchic property as in classical probability theory; the reduction of the state for each individual run follows. Standard quantum statistical mechanics alone appears sufficient to explain the occurrence of a unique answer in each run and the emergence of classicality in a measurement process. Finally, pedagogical exercises are proposed and lessons for future works on models are suggested, while the statistical interpretation is promoted for teaching."

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