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[exiledone1]

Hello Everyone,

I'm brand new to the site and happy to be here. I've been interested in learning more about Nootropics. Here is my question.

I've just bought my first bottle of Aniracetam 750 mg capsules. I also bought a bottle of Choline 500 mg. Well after buying them I now realize it would be a lot cheaper for me to buy Aniracetam in powder form and make my own pills. So I was looking for some information in how to proceed.

So far I was planning to buy this for a scale: http://balance.balances.com/scales/853

I was planning to buy the stuff for making the capsules from here including either the gelatin ones or the vegetable ones: http://www.ktbotanic...sules-c-86.html

Now my questions are:

1. What size gelatin or vegetable capsules do I need to fit 750 mg of Aniracetam into? I see they have sizes like 1, 0, 00, 000?? I would prefer to fit 750 mg into one pill if possible or at least as close as I can get to 750 or a little over. In other words, my goal is to be able to pop one pill in the morning and one later afternoon. I like to keep things simple.

2. Are vegetable or gelatin capsules better? or does it really matter?

3. Exactly what equipment from the capsule making website I posted above do i need to do the entire capsule process? Do I need the Accessory Tamper and the Cap-M-Quik Capsule Filler? I'm assuming I need both, but just checking.

4. Where is a good place to get quality Aniracetam powder in bulk? I heard 1fast400 was good, but their website isn't working?

5. What is the purpose of the scale? From what I seen in Youtube videos you just use the machine to fill the caps with the powder, pack them and cap them? Do you need to weight the pills after creation to make sure they equal 750 mg? I'm just not sure where the scale comes in or if I even need it. I know, a noob question, but any help would be awesome. The youtube video I'm referring to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVJkTk1xuX8

I'm sorry for the questions and I have spent a little time researching this, but nothing concrete I could fine. Any help would be amazing as I'm completely new to this world. As most of you can tell i'm sort of analytical and just want to have this down before I start spending money on equipment, caps and so on.

Information on my Aniracetam and Choline dosage

I start taking my Aniracetam and Choline this monday! I'll be taking 750 mg of Aniracetam in the morning (cap form) along with a 500 mg Choline (cap form) and I'll be talking another 750 mg Aniracetam late afternoon with another 500 mg Choline.

Does this sound about right? I would love to hear your thoughts on dosage?

Thanks in advance as I want to stay on these and capping seems to be the cheapest route to go. hopefully it's not difficult as I suck in math lol. I look forward to being here and learning from all of you.

Thank you
Josh

Edited by exiledone1, 18 December 2012 - 07:15 PM.

[stablemind]

Make sure you take your Aniracetam with fish oil or some kind of fat.

[Nickthedevil]

this is a great question, I'm sure there are lots of people out there wondering how they could make this cheaper buying in bulk is an option, measuring out weights is something I've been doing for a little over a year now and it's been mostly trial and error for me. These cap-m-quick things are great if you just want to be filling capsules, but if you want weighed quantities your going to need to weigh out each dose and put it in a capsule. The process for different kind of substances is different because they behave differently.

I do my weighed capsules for prami, macuna pruriens( a natural source of L-dopa) and A- L- carnatine, the process I use for the prami and I assume it will be similar for ani, is to make a stand for the capsule out of paper and then put in prami with a very small spoon made from a piece of flattened out coat hanger wire until it reaches my desired weight. This probably sounds pretty horrendous but I assure you you'll be bashing out capsules at a reasonable pace with some practice.

There are logically other options that are slightly less fiddly, but I actually quiet enjoy methodical tasks like this one and it suits my particular brand of prami related obssessive behaviour, I use 00's but thats only because that is what I have on hand most of the time. Here is a size chart.

I could go on for many hours on the fine points of how I do all these things, things I have learned but I think you'll find after a few days on ani if it's anything like pram you will be learning more quickly than usual and you'll have your own capsule making OCD.

I suggest that you take any AMPAkine with a choline source, my choline source of choice is lecithin, I suggest you find a phospho-lipid choline source too. don't forget the synergistic effect of alcar.


Enjoy any questions just ask man.

[exiledone1]

Hi Nick,

Great post!! Would you happen to know about how much Aniracetam fits into a 0 size capsule? like what mg?

I'm pretty new to all this stuff. What exactly is a AMPAkine? Also, why do you recommend finding a phospho-lipid choline source? What's the difference between that and let's say Choline Bitarate as a choline source?

Also, i'm curious about something you said in regards to pram helps you to learn more....

How exactly did you notice you were learning more? For instance, did you develop a desire to read more, learn more or were you just always someone who sought out more knowledge on things, but noticed yourself assimilating the knowledge and information more quickly and understanding it better while on Pram?

I ask because when I start Aniracetam tomorrow I want to really test it out? In other words, a way to test it to make sure it's doing something. So in your opinion what would be a good way to do that? Would it be going and reading some books or trying to read a book on a subject I've had trouble understanding?? I hope this makes sense lol

I've heard from some people that if it works you will notice the differences and I've heard from other people that the differences are very under the surface. I'm starting tomorrow and will be taking 750 mg of Aniracetam twice a day along with a 500 mg Choline Birtrirate source twice a day.

Thanks
Josh

Edited by exiledone1, 19 December 2012 - 09:32 PM.

[Nickthedevil]

Your first two questions are answered in the first paragraph on the wikipedia article on Ani, The second question on density/mass is in the capacity section on the capsule size chart and then a a stick quick google of ani density.

On how did I know I was learning more quickly, I use prami and it appears it works on a slightly different part of the brain so it will be different but it comes down to sometihng cognition co-efficient and I are talking about in another thread on quantifying your gains on the subject of cerbrosylin.

I suggest to you dual "n" back, there is a nice little open source version out there I've been looking at, there are so many tests of your various measures of intellect that you could use.

For me though, I have a bit of a wierd stack that is more about overall health, I started to notice a change in things like memory, creativity, general sentience and of course cognition in it's various forms.

It is not like a magic bullet you just take ani and your problems will melt away, but it is worth spending the money on and doing. I have a whole very deep philosophy for my health. It is not like I just take prami and then hope.

If you have any more questions man, I'm here to help.

[exiledone1]

Your first two questions are answered in the first paragraph on the wikipedia article on Ani, The second question on density/mass is in the capacity section on the capsule size chart and then a a stick quick google of ani density.

On how did I know I was learning more quickly, I use prami and it appears it works on a slightly different part of the brain so it will be different but it comes down to sometihng cognition co-efficient and I are talking about in another thread on quantifying your gains on the subject of cerbrosylin.

I suggest to you dual "n" back, there is a nice little open source version out there I've been looking at, there are so many tests of your various measures of intellect that you could use.

For me though, I have a bit of a wierd stack that is more about overall health, I started to notice a change in things like memory, creativity, general sentience and of course cognition in it's various forms.

It is not like a magic bullet you just take ani and your problems will melt away, but it is worth spending the money on and doing. I have a whole very deep philosophy for my health. It is not like I just take prami and then hope.

If you have any more questions man, I'm here to help.

Hey Nick,

Thanks for helping me out bro. You've been a big help and it's an honor to learn from you. I start first thing tomorrow morning with my Aniracetam 750 gram twice daily, one in the morning and one at lunch and 500 mg Choline twice daily, one in the morning and one at lunch which for me is around 3:00 pm.

I'll start a journal here on the site tracking my progress and hopefully you'll follow it as I'll need support and advice as time goes on. I actually have tried the dual N back your talking about and it's pretty cool. Sadly I can't pass Dual 2 Back....I get error after error lol

I'm excited to try everything out and look forward to learning more from you. Thanks for pointing me toward the wiki as well. I'll post the link to my journal here when I start tomorrow.

Thanks bro and once again thanks for being so helpful

Josh

Edited by exiledone1, 20 December 2012 - 04:45 AM.

[Nickthedevil]

If there is any way I can help you man I will, I'm pretty stoked on the dual n back thing I'm thinking of developing a battery of tests for users, would be stoked to start getting some data out of here. Like I said man, anything you need.

[exiledone1]

If there is any way I can help you man I will, I'm pretty stoked on the dual n back thing I'm thinking of developing a battery of tests for users, would be stoked to start getting some data out of here. Like I said man, anything you need.

Yeah man,

Dual N Back is pretty awesome, would love to hear about your test when you developing them. Btw, thanks for answering my questions in the other thread. You rock!

Thanks
Josh

Edited by exiledone1, 20 December 2012 - 05:08 AM.

[Sun Nootropic]

Information on my Aniracetam and Choline dosage

I start taking my Aniracetam and Choline this monday! I'll be taking 750 mg of Aniracetam in the morning (cap form) along with a 500 mg Choline (cap form) and I'll be talking another 750 mg Aniracetam late afternoon with another 500 mg Choline.

Does this sound about right? I would love to hear your thoughts on dosage?

Thanks in advance as I want to stay on these and capping seems to be the cheapest route to go. hopefully it's not difficult as I suck in math lol. I look forward to being here and learning from all of you.

Thank you
Josh

there is no truth in nootropic stacks, you start yours , and record the effects, by trial and comparision, you work out the truth, the fittest one for you is the truth. as to your stack, the dose is right i think

Noopept works very well with Aniracetam. That faster-than-I-can-speak thing can be tamed with practice.

and the last about a reliable source with high quality. http://www.sunnootropic.com/lang-en/12-aniracetam-cas-72432-10-1.html
since you have started your stack already, you can share your experience through this thread.

[pushpull]

The major nootropic suppliers have huge & expensive machines packing the correct amount in mgs per capsule. Yeah, you will probably save some money on buying bulk powder - but if you take into consideration you need to buy an accurate scale, spend money on the capsule packer in your youtube video, and all the time you will spend packing capsules, I'd say it's not worth it. Certain powder is also affected by moisture in the air, so packing your capsules might be even more tricky 6 months after you bought your bulk powder.

In my opinion, if you really really want- or need to make it as cheap as possible with powder you're better off taking the powder straight when you are at home then packing capsules, after you've gotten the correct amount on a scale, when you need to bring it to work/school etc.

[exiledone1]

there is no truth in nootropic stacks, you start yours , and record the effects, by trial and comparision, you work out the truth, the fittest one for you is the truth. as to your stack, the dose is right i think

Noopept works very well with Aniracetam. That faster-than-I-can-speak thing can be tamed with practice.

and the last about a reliable source with high quality. http://www.sunnootropic.com/lang-en/12-aniracetam-cas-72432-10-1.html
since you have started your stack already, you can share your experience through this thread.

Hi Qiubai,

Thanks for the advice and it's nice to meet you. I've taken your advice and started my own Daily Aniracetam Journal located here: http://www.longecity...iracetam-today/

Feel free to check it and follow it if you like. Thanks again for the input and the more I read here your exactly right, it seems like it's all trial and error for the most part. I'm still happy to have found this group and community to bounce ideas off. I love learning from people.

Thanks again,
Josh

[Nickthedevil]

Josh I thought you'd still be following this topic so I thought I'd include two other methods I know of.

1. tare your scale out with the capsule on it, scoop up some stuff then weigh the whole thing, I use this for ALCAR and Macuna Pruriens.

2. this is my latest method, weigh out your desired chemical then mix it with a filler to achieve the volume of your pills in material. then mix it thouroughly and stuff it into your pills, given some simple calcuations and a decent measuring cylinder you can determine the amount of filler you will need to use, (this would allow you to use one of those cap-o-matics.

Be good josh.