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[vtrader]

Hi all,

I'm trying to get rid of that brain dulling, de-movitating, lathergic sensory dulling, confused, slow, aggitating brain fog feeling, you know the type.

I think this is really effecting the potential of the supplements I've tried. For example, if I take noopept, my visual field sharpens and my reading field increases. But it's pretty useless as I have trouble concentrating doing mental things such as a reading, puzzles, DNB because of this brain fog feeling.

I've tried taking l-tyrosine, it gets me more alert but because of the fog makes me feel restless and confused when trying to do mental tasks.

Any ideas of that I can do?

thanks

[SuperjackDid_]

Cerebrolysin

[Valor5]

The only thing I can say about your problem is that we all have bad days some worse then others etc and some people more than others your brain is highly precious and highly important and means everything to you particularly in this life. So with that said the way of reformation is to first get rid of any bad habits or vices that you may have after that has been accomplished you must get optimum nutrition after this is accomplished you have to identify within yourself what gives you meaning in life what brings happiness what are you passionate about and then strengthen that about yourself. Your questions are very general so I could go on and on.

[vtrader]

I think the brain fog a partial psychologoical problem, even though I use to have lots of interests, I'm not interested in anything at the moment. Nothing sparks for me anymore. If feels like my nuero-chems feel static, my dopamine feels kind of low. These days I waste two or three hours watching TV, but even when at work I feel dull.
I've tried l-tyrosine, I take B-complex tabs and fish oil.

[Turnbuckle]

Hi all,

I'm trying to get rid of that brain dulling, de-movitating, lathergic sensory dulling, confused, slow, aggitating brain fog feeling, you know the type.

I think this is really effecting the potential of the supplements I've tried. For example, if I take noopept, my visual field sharpens and my reading field increases. But it's pretty useless as I have trouble concentrating doing mental things such as a reading, puzzles, DNB because of this brain fog feeling.

I've tried taking l-tyrosine, it gets me more alert but because of the fog makes me feel restless and confused when trying to do mental tasks.

Any ideas of that I can do?

thanks

Stop taking everything.

[Acousticphilosopher]

Everyone responds differently to stuff so it's hard to say but some suggestions...
Rhodiola Rosea, ginseng, the acetylated form of tyrosine, tried some exercise?
Choline (possibly in the form of DMAE) and Inositol (i advise buying powdered inositol, WAY cheaper) - experiment with dosages - up to 12g with inositol
Meditation can do a mighty job at clearing the mind

[BLimitless]

Most supplements do not cure or directly help brain fog in any way. They will make an already clear mind super sharp but they will not restore a foggy brain to full clarity.


The reason for this is that brain fog is a symptom, not a condition in itself. Typically it is caused by either inflammation or oxidative stress in the nervous system. Another cause is heavy metal toxicity or pollutants in general, yet another would be parasites & pathogens.


The solution is to change your diet by removing allergens (wheat/gluten, dairy, nuts, etc) to reduce the inflammation. Then ensure your Omega 3 intake actually matches your Omega 6 oil intake by eating fish oil and flaxseed. Omega 6 is pro inflammatory and thus causes brain fog when not balanced out by the anti-inflammatory precursor Omega 3 oils. A good way to identify the cause of your brain fog is to go on a juice/vegetable fast for two weeks, which is sufficient time for most allergens to exit the body. Then slowly introduce foods one at a time and you will isolate the precise cause.

To target the oxidative stress you need a diet absolutely rich in fruits and vegetables of all kinds. Personally I had brain fog for years and supplements do not do a thing. What does work is this: a big green vegetable and fruit smoothie in the morning with a few grams of fish oil. Throw in N-Acetyl-Cysteine on top of this and the brain fog will seem like a distant memory. I am still amazed at how I feel every day and it has been literally a whole year since I cured my own. It is absolutely crucial that there is not a single day in your life where you have not had a generous helping of vegetables, unless you are fasting. Vegetables buy you clarity but only for the span of around 36 hours. It is easy to descend back into zombification if you do not maintain vigilance.

You will notice when you do this that the fog clears away like a cloud vaporising, you will directly feel the nutrients hit your brain and eliminate the inflammation and reactive oxygen species. Then when you throw supplements like noopept on top, you will experience this hyper clarity. Going from a totally fogged zombie to suddenly having razor sharp attention will make you feel somewhat... Limitless.

Edited by BLimitless, 02 January 2013 - 11:20 AM.

[Heh]

Yes, I highly recommend brainwave entraiment (Neuro-Programmer 3) along with the nootropics you decide to take.

[MasterDavid]

.. like said Turnbuckle "Stop taking everything"!!

Edited by MasterDavid, 02 January 2013 - 04:06 PM.

[AwesomeName]

You probably have heavy metal toxicity, candida or something.

Get a dmps challenge test.

[LBGSHI]

Yes, I highly recommend brainwave entraiment (Neuro-Programmer 3) along with the nootropics you decide to take.

I would point out that there is almost zero evidence for any positive cognitive effects of "brainwave entrainment", and moreover that the very basis of claims made by its proponents runs contrary to scientific knowledge of brain function. Brainwaves are byproducts of the cumulative electrochemical activity of the brain, not the other way around. Activity in the brain results in various electromagnetic "waves" being detectable by instruments, yet simulated brainwaves in proximity to the brain do not evoke certain types of activity in the brain.

[Turnbuckle]

Yes, I highly recommend brainwave entraiment (Neuro-Programmer 3) along with the nootropics you decide to take.

I would point out that there is almost zero evidence for any positive cognitive effects of "brainwave entrainment", and moreover that the very basis of claims made by its proponents runs contrary to scientific knowledge of brain function. Brainwaves are byproducts of the cumulative electrochemical activity of the brain, not the other way around. Activity in the brain results in various electromagnetic "waves" being detectable by instruments, yet simulated brainwaves in proximity to the brain do not evoke certain types of activity in the brain.

I have to disagree. I've used this in the past and it was very effective. For a while I was going to the Monroe Institute every year where you are immersed in entrainment several times a day and all night for a week, and the effects can be amazing. http://www.monroeins...search-articles

[LBGSHI]

Very effective in what regard? Binaural beats can certainly be relaxing, but there is no evidence that this is due to their inaudible left/right frequency difference, rather than just the effect of calming sounds, relaxed concentration on a repetitive pulse, and the placebo effect.

In addition, let's put this in its proper perspective - the Monroe Institute "was founded by Robert Monroe after he started having what he called "out of body experiences"", and is devoted to such studies, along with other paranormal interests. What would be much more interesting is research work performed by credible sources. Of the few scattered studies I've seen, most disprove "brainwave entrainment", and the three or four that supported it were badly flawed (no control group, etc).

[Turnbuckle]

Very effective in what regard? Binaural beats can certainly be relaxing, but there is no evidence that this is due to their inaudible left/right frequency difference, rather than just the effect of calming sounds, relaxed concentration on a repetitive pulse, and the placebo effect.

In addition, let's put this in its proper perspective - the Monroe Institute "was founded by Robert Monroe after he started having what he called "out of body experiences"", and is devoted to such studies, along with other paranormal interests. What would be much more interesting is research work performed by credible sources. Of the few scattered studies I've seen, most disprove "brainwave entrainment", and the three or four that supported it were badly flawed (no control group, etc).

Regardless of Monroe's background and the now new-age slant of the place after his death--and even before--this stuff does open up creative states of mind that are very hard to achieve without some long study in meditative techniques. And some things that I won't mention because you wouldn't accept them. BTW, I was a senior scientist for a rather conservative research company when I went there, and they covered the cost.

[LBGSHI]

Regardless of Monroe's background and the now new-age slant of the place after his death--and even before--this stuff does open up creative states of mind that are very hard to achieve without some long study in meditative techniques. And some things that I won't mention because you wouldn't accept them. BTW, I was a senior scientist for a rather conservative research company when I went there, and they covered the cost.

As I mentioned in my last post, I could certainly see binaural beats aiding in meditation, but not because of any "entrainment" benefit; rather, because of a rhythm and repetition that one concentrates on continuously. Whether improved meditation will itself lead to increased cognitive ability is another question, and should be asked in contrast to what one can achieve by other means, more effectively, more efficiently, and more rapidly. And that still doesn't touch on direct cognitive improvement (or elimination of "brain fog") via binaural beats, which is what Joel was alluding to above.

If there are things which you "won't mention" because I "wouldn't accept them", it seems like it would be better not to bring them up indirectly in the first place. In any case, what I'm interested in is cold, hard proof, which is easily obtainable with a double-blind, placebo-controlled, peer-reviewed study, something carried out every day in the practice of real science - something you're surely well-acquainted with as a prior "senior scientist".

Ultimately, I think it's great to reach out into as many possible avenues for mental (especially cognitive) improvement as we can, but before promoting them widely, we should establish that they're indeed effective, and that they're effective in the specific ways we state they are. If binaural beats can induce a relaxed state or reduce stress, they should not be claimed to improve intelligence or boost memory. The fact that so many claims are being made by the proponents of "brainwave entrainment" before and even contrary to proper studies implies that money and fame are the principle driving forces at work, not science.

Let's push the focus back onto real science, with real evidence of real improvement.

[Turnbuckle]

As I mentioned in my last post, I could certainly see binaural beats aiding in meditation, but not because of any "entrainment" benefit; rather, because of a rhythm and repetition that one concentrates on continuously.

You're speaking out of assumptions and opinions, not out of knowledge. The binaural beats that TMI uses are so low and so camouflaged in noise that you generally don't hear them. In fact, if you concentrated on them, they would be quite useless.

[LBGSHI]

You're speaking out of assumptions and opinions, not out of knowledge. The binaural beats that TMI uses are so low and so camouflaged in noise that you generally don't hear them. In fact, if you concentrated on them, they would be quite useless.

Cool. What research has established their effect?

[CognitionCoefficient]

Cerebrolysin

Some elaboration would be nice.

[Turnbuckle]

You're speaking out of assumptions and opinions, not out of knowledge. The binaural beats that TMI uses are so low and so camouflaged in noise that you generally don't hear them. In fact, if you concentrated on them, they would be quite useless.

Cool. What research has established their effect?

I'm speaking from personal experience, while you are speaking out of ignorance only.

[LBGSHI]

What kind of response is that? It doesn't even answer my question...what's more, requesting evidence or research results for something claiming to provide cognitive benefits isn't "speaking out of ignorance"...it's speaking out of curiosity, and is exactly what science is all about. First you want to push beliefs in the inexplicable, now you want to stifle scientific inquiry? What kind of scientist were you anyway?

[Turnbuckle]

What kind of response is that? It doesn't even answer my question...what's more, requesting evidence or research results for something claiming to provide cognitive benefits isn't "speaking out of ignorance"...it's speaking out of curiosity, and is exactly what science is all about. First you want to push beliefs in the inexplicable, now you want to stifle scientific inquiry? What kind of scientist were you anyway?

You may be interested in scientific inquiry, but I doubt it.

[LBGSHI]

You may be interested in scientific inquiry, but I doubt it.

If that's the only response you can provide after multiple requests for evidence of your claims, it's time to hand the mic back to the OP, or someone else who can provide good advice. It's simply not right to attempt to influence people to place their effort, time, or money on something you claim has various positive effects, then shrink away at the first request for evidence. It's certainly not in the spirit of these forums.

[Turnbuckle]

You may be interested in scientific inquiry, but I doubt it.

If that's the only response you can provide after multiple requests for evidence of your claims, it's time to hand the mic back to the OP, or someone else who can provide good advice. It's simply not right to attempt to influence people to place their effort, time, or money on something you claim has various positive effects, then shrink away at the first request for evidence. It's certainly not in the spirit of these forums.

Go away you twit. I was offering advice based on my own experience. You were just ranting based on your own prejudice. You postings here are worthless, just pure snottiness.

[LBGSHI]

Go away you twit. I was offering advice based on my own experience. You were just ranting based on your own prejudice. You postings here are worthless, just pure snottiness.

Hah, you're a nasty little one, aren't you? I wasn't ranting at all; I was merely stating the fact that there is very little evidence for any positive cognitive effects of binaural beats or other "brainwave entrainment" systems, and much evidence against them.

I suppose if someone said that drinking a gallon of mustard was a great cognitive booster, you'd be satisfied with no evidence and just the statement alone...but I wouldn't, and I don't think many other people would either.

I suppose I was out of line requesting such an outrageous thing as evidence, when you already gave an anecdote AND let me know that you were once a scientist. I guess I lost my head.

Edited by LBGSHI, 03 January 2013 - 04:30 AM.

[BLimitless]

Can we please stay on topic.

This thread is not about whether brainwave entrainment is viable. It is about brain fog.

How would you feel if you went to hospital for 3rd degree burns and the doctors stopped caring about you and got into a heated and utterly frivolous argument about what kind of plaster cast is best for broken bones?


In the pursuit of knowledge & genuine help of mankind we must quell our incessant desire to "win". In such arguments as above there are no winners, there are only losers wasting their time trying to convince people of things that neither party will yield to.

[LBGSHI]

Can we please stay on topic.

This thread is not about whether brainwave entrainment is viable. It is about brain fog.

How would you feel if you went to hospital for 3rd degree burns and the doctors stopped caring about you and got into a heated and utterly frivolous argument about what kind of plaster cast is best for broken bones?


In the pursuit of knowledge & genuine help of mankind we must quell our incessant desire to "win". In such arguments as above there are no winners, there are only losers wasting their time trying to convince people of things that neither party will yield to.

Well put; you're quite right.

I want the OP, and the public in general, to receive the best of information, and perhaps I get carried away defending that point at times. It troubles me to imagine the frustrated OP, coming to us for help, receiving opinions or anecdotes as if they were fact, believing them because they were stated here at Longecity, and then wasting precious time, effort, and possibly money on a longshot when so many viable options are available which are backed by proper studies and research. At the least, we should be open in admitting that there is limited scientific data supporting such and such a claim, and to therefore perhaps give it a try, but do not rely on it alone if other options are available.

That will be my two cents, then.

[renfr]

Yes, I highly recommend brainwave entraiment (Neuro-Programmer 3) along with the nootropics you decide to take.

I would point out that there is almost zero evidence for any positive cognitive effects of "brainwave entrainment", and moreover that the very basis of claims made by its proponents runs contrary to scientific knowledge of brain function. Brainwaves are byproducts of the cumulative electrochemical activity of the brain, not the other way around. Activity in the brain results in various electromagnetic "waves" being detectable by instruments, yet simulated brainwaves in proximity to the brain do not evoke certain types of activity in the brain.

I have to disagree. I've used this in the past and it was very effective. For a while I was going to the Monroe Institute every year where you are immersed in entrainment several times a day and all night for a week, and the effects can be amazing. http://www.monroeins...search-articles

Brainwave sync is extremely potent IF you are in the right set.
If audio BWE doesn't work for you, you may try meditation which helps with synchronization.
I experienced a full brainwave synchronization with binaural beats but it only works in the right set.
If I try it now it will be almost uneffective, picamilon however helped me to relax and reach brainwave states very easily.
But this must be used with care, you wouldn't like to be stuck in a brainwave state forever or release the kundalini when you're not ready.

Edited by renfr, 03 January 2013 - 02:23 PM.

[vtrader]

Wow thank you fall for the feedback.
A year ago I was in hospital after an accident, so I was on anti-biotics for three weeks. I guess this could of made things worse.
As of recent my supplement intake has been l-tyrosine, b-complex, vit-d, fish oil and maca, ginseng now and then. I tried the racetams now and then to guage the effects.I also drink herbal tea couple of days a week.
I'll add some grape-food seed extract and NAC to help clear the system and reduce the sugar,startch and processed food intake.

[TheBlackCat]

excuse me, limitless.

N-Acetyl-Cysteine

i was wondering why you recommended this supplement? what does it target? also, if i introduce a diet rich in vegetables but don't remove allergens, will I still see effects?

[vtrader]

A quick update, last night I took a set of antioxide stuff, tumeric, fish oil and grape seed extract, an hour later I felt ill, I felt I was faded, not present at all, as I lay to go to sleep, I felt sick and my body temperature went up, I felt a bit confused, I was sweating a bit.
But then this morning I woke up for the first time in a while at 5am, I woke up ready to go, with a bit of energy, and was not tired enough to fall back to sleep. I had a bowl movement straight away as well, not constipated like it has been recently.
So are this antioxidents working, or could it be something else?
The brain fog is still there, but on waking up it feels a bit more managble. Keep you guys updated.