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[BigJohn]

Hey everyone,

I'm a healthy, active 20 year old undergraduate Economics student from Canada and due to the intense nature of my studies, I need an edge to stay competitive and maintain focus and mental acuity to keep up with my studies. I regularly study intermediate calculus and algebra, so as you can imagine, my brain needs to be in tip-top shape at all times. I have been experimenting with nootropics for quite sometime now, with inconsistent results.

I have been on this comprehensive stack for about 3 weeks now, with some success. I would like to know what the LongeCity community thinks about my stack. Should I add anything to it or augment the dosages for better results?

Morning Stack:

Piracetam- 1000 mg
Oxiracetam- 800 mg
Sulbutiamine- 200 mg
Noopept- 5 mg
Vinpocetine- 20mg
CDP Choline- 250 mg
Choline Bitartrate- 800 mg

Afternoon Stack

Piracetam- 1000 mg
Oxiracetam- 800 mg
CDP Choline- 250 mg
Choline Bitartrate- 600 mg
Vinpocetine- 20 mg
Sulbutiatmine- 200 mg
Rhodiola Rosea- 400 mg

[Renegader]

I can suggest augmenting the Noopept dosage by 5-10mg. The maximum recommended dosage is 30mg a day but people have had success experimenting with higher doses. But for now I suggest trying a slightly higher dosage of Noopept to see if it helps. You can try dosages like 10-15mg, and for some people the optimal dosage is around 7mg.

Also I suggest taking a look at Alpha Brain or SNS Focus XT.

And one more thing, I'm not sure if taking two sources of Choline is a good idea, you could be just wasting money, although I'm not too sure on that.

Edited by Renegader, 28 January 2013 - 11:59 PM.

[BigJohn]

I can suggest augmenting the Noopept dosage by 5-10mg. The maximum recommended dosage is 30mg a day but people have had success experimenting with higher doses. But for now I suggest trying a slightly higher dosage of Noopept to see if it helps. You can try dosages like 10-15mg, and for some people the optimal dosage is around 7mg.

Also I suggest taking a look at Alpha Brain or SNS Focus XT.

And one more thing, I'm not sure if taking two sources of Choline is a good idea, you could be just wasting money, although I'm not too sure on that.

I have heard that Noopept can interfere with erection quality and sexual performance, that is why I am keeping the Noopept dosage to a minimum. As for Alpha Brain or SNS Focus XT, I have taken similar nootropic capsules like Cerebral Health's Epiphany D1. The pill has some very good ingredients such as Aniracetam, Oxiracetam, Alpha GPC, Sulbutiamine, L-Dopa, Green Tea Extract, Vinpocetine, Guarana Seed Extract, Inositol, Hordenine, Schizandrol A, Phenylethylamine (PEA), 1-3 Dimethylamine (DMAA), and Bioperine. I am unsure about the dosages of these but my stack includes some of these. Epiphany D1 seems to be a more effective stack for memory, mental acuity and learning than Alpha Brain or SNS Focus XT based on some of the research I have done.

[aireavix]

Hey man,
It looks like a solid stack but you may want to up your choline intake a little cos your stack is quite heavy on the nootropics side.

on a side note, CDP Choline, Choline Bitartrate, Alpha GPC, DMAE and DMAA are not nootropics, they are either choline sources or fall in to the choline management section of the stack. think of them like fuel for the nootropics, you wont get far without them but that doesnt make them a nootropic aswell.
That is why Alpha Brain or Focus XT doesn't aid learning and memory much, they don't contain any real nootropics even though they are sold as one.

[Renegader]

Hey man,
It looks like a solid stack but you may want to up your choline intake a little cos your stack is quite heavy on the nootropics side.

on a side note, CDP Choline, Choline Bitartrate, Alpha GPC, DMAE and DMAA are not nootropics, they are either choline sources or fall in to the choline management section of the stack. think of them like fuel for the nootropics, you wont get far without them but that doesnt make them a nootropic aswell.
That is why Alpha Brain or Focus XT doesn't aid learning and memory much, they don't contain any real nootropics even though they are sold as one.

Although if you use these in conjunction with Nootropics namely the racetams then it would produce a beneficial, synergistic effect, no?

Edited by Renegader, 29 January 2013 - 03:26 AM.

[BigJohn]

Hey man,
It looks like a solid stack but you may want to up your choline intake a little cos your stack is quite heavy on the nootropics side.

on a side note, CDP Choline, Choline Bitartrate, Alpha GPC, DMAE and DMAA are not nootropics, they are either choline sources or fall in to the choline management section of the stack. think of them like fuel for the nootropics, you wont get far without them but that doesnt make them a nootropic aswell.
That is why Alpha Brain or Focus XT doesn't aid learning and memory much, they don't contain any real nootropics even though they are sold as one.

Although if you use these in conjunction with Nootropics namely the racetams then it would produce a beneficial, synergistic effect, no?

You would be better off buying them in bulk, you would save money, and you would know the exact dosages you are taking. Plus, Alpha Brain and Focus XT contains Huperzine A, which has long term negative side effects from what I have read. If you were to supplement in some of the ingredients in focus XT such as Acetyl-L-Cartinine or Alpha GPC with a racetam, that would be beneficial.

[BigJohn]

UPDATE: I will be either adding aniracetam to my stack or supplenting oxiracetam for aniracetma pretty soon. Should I add it or just use Oxi in conjunction with Ani?

[gray.bot]

Awesome stack.

Have you considered like Nefiracetam, or Phenylpiracetam etc al

[BigJohn]

Studies have shown that dogs have an increased risk of testicular cancer after taking Nefiracetam.. I don't want to risk anything with Nefiracetam. I have heard good things about Phenylpiracetam but they have not been around as long as aniracetam, oxiracetam or piracetam so I wouldn't trust it just yet.

[Renegader]

How about pramiracetam?

[BigJohn]

I've heard mixed reviews about pramiracetam, for the price I just don't think it is worth trying. If I am a non responder to Aniracetam I will likely try Pramiracetam in the future. What does your stack consist of Renegader?

[Renegader]

I've heard mixed reviews about pramiracetam, for the price I just don't think it is worth trying. If I am a non responder to Aniracetam I will likely try Pramiracetam in the future. What does your stack consist of Renegader?

10mg Noopept twice a day, 1 Alpha Brain twice daily, 2.5 scoops of Focus XT, Ginkgo and Brahmi and soon I'm going to add Pramiracetam because I've heard good things about it working synergistically with Noopept. I haven't noticed any profound effects, but I wasn't expecting that because I know nootropics are subtle. I'll update you on see how I go with Pramiracetam and Noopept.

Edited by Renegader, 03 February 2013 - 07:16 AM.

[gray.bot]

Brahmi

Someone on this forum told me this shrinks your testicles too!

Renegader PM me re Aus Import Ring. Cheers.

[Kevin C Thomas]

I took a lot of the nootropics listed above throughout the 90s. I also got inconsistent results with anything like mental clarity. I've found that for me, the effects of 30-40 minutes / day of cardio exercise, meditation, and reducing my caffeine intake were far, far more important to my mental clarity / acuity than any nootropics I took. I took the "acetams", Vinpocetine, vasopressin, choline, dmae, selegeline ( pretty good boost non-sustainably ), and many more. Just my experience over the longer term. I kept taking things looking for some consistent result. Good luck

[BigJohn]

I took a lot of the nootropics listed above throughout the 90s. I also got inconsistent results with anything like mental clarity. I've found that for me, the effects of 30-40 minutes / day of cardio exercise, meditation, and reducing my caffeine intake were far, far more important to my mental clarity / acuity than any nootropics I took. I took the "acetams", Vinpocetine, vasopressin, choline, dmae, selegeline ( pretty good boost non-sustainably ), and many more. Just my experience over the longer term. I kept taking things looking for some consistent result. Good luck

Thanks for your post there Kevin. What nootropics do you find worked the best for you? I am going to add aniracetam to my stack very soon, can you attest to the efficacy of that nootropic?

[tau_ceti]

Bigjohn, what is it in the noopept that is interfering with erectile quality? Curious and a little concerned.

[BigJohn]

I have read on a few posts about experiences involving diminished erection quality. I have not experienced any problems due to the small dose that I am taking, but I did not want to take any risks

[BigJohn]

Bigjohn, what is it in the noopept that is interfering with erectile quality? Curious and a little concerned.

Here is a link for you to take a look at tau ceti http://www.longecity...__fromsearch__1

[gray.bot]

I am going to add aniracetam to my stack very soon, can you attest to the efficacy of that nootropic?

I can attest to the effectiveness. What's his name jadamgo was telling me about how it does something to AMPA this or GABA that and the first couple of hours are a dip into relaxation and then increases in power for the mid-later stages. Because I often take so much stuff all the coffee, modafinil, selegiline, ALCAR, piracetam, pyritinol, etc would have been covering up the dip at the start.

Yesterday I did a test with straight 1gram aniracetam and 500mg choline bitartrate. I was 'normal' for about 2-3 hours and then it just hit me like a tonne of bricks for the next 5-6 hours. Was seriously just blasted like nothing before. I was at a seminar and was just sucking up info ridiculously - then in the night I did my meta-learning strategies and they were a piece of cake.

The effectiveness may or may not have to do with my balanced diet and high levels of all needed precursors for neurotransmitters etc.

diminished erection quality.

This could actually be a benefit for me... Well, a my girlfriend would probably think so anway

[BigJohn]

Ha do you suggest me stacking it with Oxiracetam? I'm curious as to what the effects would be. Since oxiracetam tends to work quickly and fade afer 2 hours (as I have noticed), maybe the effect of aniracetam not working right away and "hitting" you after would make for one hell of an addition to this stack.

[jadamgo]

Ha do you suggest me stacking it with Oxiracetam? I'm curious as to what the effects would be. Since oxiracetam tends to work quickly and fade afer 2 hours (as I have noticed), maybe the effect of aniracetam not working right away and "hitting" you after would make for one hell of an addition to this stack.

Yes, this is highly recommended for those who don't want to micro-dose aniracetam all day long.

[gray.bot]

Ha do you suggest me stacking it with Oxiracetam? I'm curious as to what the effects would be. Since oxiracetam tends to work quickly and fade afer 2 hours (as I have noticed), maybe the effect of aniracetam not working right away and "hitting" you after would make for one hell of an addition to this stack.

Yes, this is highly recommended for those who don't want to micro-dose aniracetam all day long.

Far out - jadamgo now introduces me to ANOTHER thing I totally didn't know.

I never liked Oxiracetam because it is kinda expensive and I found it didn't do "that" much. It's benefits to me were fast onset, that's it.

Because of this I would wakeup, and have a glass of oxiracetam within 30 seconds, to power up to awesome in record time, then have other nootropics which would set in 1hour-2hours etc. But after my kilo finished I didn't buy anymore because I figured I get so much more distance outta piracetam (cheap) and aniracetam and pramiracetam (long lasting)

Previousy I was inadvertantly doing this - taking oxiracetam to cover up the aniracetam "lul" at the beginning but this made me not realise the "lul" of aniracetam.

Other times, again like I said, because all the stuff I take other things were covering up the aniracetam until it kicked in.

And when I only ever take aniracetam by itself, yeah it seems to not really do anything for the first 2-3 hours and then power up. It's in the afternoon that I think to myself "wow I can really feel this bloody nootropic it works awesome" (never realising why it didn't work immediately)

ITS ALL COMING TO ME!!!
Its like the lights have been turned on!

Omg can't believe it. You guys rock.

J-man (your new nickname because I can't spell your name) - what do you suggest as the micro-dose? Like 100mg every 2 hours? Or???

[BigJohn]

gray.bot you are beyond awesome! Do you actually get a sleepy effect right after taking aniracetam? I'm definately gonna stack that oxi awith the ani seems like a perfect combination!

Edited by cryonicsculture, 06 August 2014 - 06:20 PM.

[jadamgo]

To microdose aniracetam, it's best to start with a normal strong dose, and then take a small portion of that every 2 hours or so. Be sure to stop way in advance of bedtime -- aniracetam's stimulating metabolites will keep you awake if you take it late at night!

Personally, I have a very weak response to aniracetam, and 3 grams is a "standard" dose. So I take 4x 750mg capsules as the starting dose, along with 1 or 2 800mg oxiracetam capsules and perhaps a cup of tea to keep me from falling asleep.

For microdosing, I take one 750mg aniracetam every hour. So each microdose is 1/4 of my starting dose. Any time I start to lose mental energy or get foggy headed, I also take another oxiracetam or two; it cuts through the fog. Piracetam can substitute for oxiracetam in a pinch, but IME oxiracetam is less likely to cause mental tunnel-vision. (I've never tried pramiracetam, but I'd be suspicious of taking such a long-lasting stimulant to cut through an hour of cognitive impairment. In this case, oxiracetam's short duration is a strength instead of a weakness, because aniracetam-induced impairment never really lasts that long anyway.)

So if you ordinarily take 750mg of aniracetam and get strong effects from that, I'd suggest taking like 200mg every hour for microdosing. And whenever you need a quick boost to clarity, take oxiracetam.

[BigJohn]

jadamgo, would you say that aniracetam is better than oxiracetam when it comes to cognitive enhancing abiities such as speed of thought, writing skill, and memory? It is sort of weird how aniracetam makes you mentally foggy and tired, It is my belief that nootropics should have the opposite effect, but this doesn't seem to be the case for you and many others from what I have read.

[leftside]

This is my second day on oxi. I took it yesterday (800mg) with my usual stack (standard doses of ALCAR, Piracetam, Inositol, Centrophenoxine, Aniracetam) and also 2mg Selegiline (which I am currently experimenting with) and 200mg Modafinil. The morning was fine (for a Monday morning), but when I redosed 800mg oxi with my usual stack I ended up going to the bathroom 3 times during the afteroon and early evening and had trouble sleeping last night.

I've taken the same stack this morning (but only 150mg Modafinil and 1mg Selegiline) and even though I've had less sleep I do feel very cognitive. I will avoid taking any more oxi this afternoon, thought I do like the idea of possibly micro-dosing 200mg to give a quick boost of mental clarity.

Like others, I also feel the same effect with Ani (and like gray.bot I don't feel the initial "lull" due to the stims I take!). About 3-4 hours after taking the ani I do get a nice little mental "power surge".

Noopept didn't work for me. Gave me brain fog.

I'll be swapping out Piracetam for Pramicetam next week.

Edited by cryonicsculture, 06 August 2014 - 06:21 PM.

[BigJohn]

Leftside thanks for the reply. Oxiracetam is pretty good, just the feeling of "mental clarity" only last for bout two hours. I am assuming the positive memory effects last longer than that, but I guess I'll know when I write my economics exam this Friday. What is the advantage of Centrophenoxine over CDP Choline, is it safe? I never have trouble sleeping on oxiracetam since it wears out pretty quickly for me, which is why I'll be adding aniracetam to my stack which reportedly starts working a few hours after ingestion. I bought noopept last year, it too gave me brain fog. I also read that it has some sexual side effects from several posts, so I'm avoiding high doses of noopept. I say add the Pramiracetam to your stack, but keep the piracetam in there too since there is potential for synergy, not to mention piracetam is dirt cheap as well. I add it to my stack just for kicks because it's only ten bucks for 100 grams

[Renegader]

I heard Pramiracetam + Noopept works well. I haven't noticed any negative effects with Noopept, nor any obvious positive effects, but I suspect they're much more subtle. I've been taking super high doses but generally 10mg twice a day.

[brentpeters]

I would drop the vinpocetine. http://www.longecity...etine-ditch-it/

I'm also not sure if it's biologically sustainable to take so many supplements in parallel. Be sure to take off days. Unless you've mapped out all the metabolic pathways, you can't be sure that you aren't depleting certain parts of your system..

Also, nice avatar.

[BigJohn]

brentpeters,

Nice link about the vinpocetine. I'll definately be removing that from my stack I hadn't read about any dangers associated with vinpocetine until you posted that, so kudos to you. It really sucks that Pendulum is no longer together, there is no band like them out there

Edited by BigJohn, 05 February 2013 - 10:29 PM.