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Hi,

I felt really tired when I took these together.
Alcar 500mg, GPC 500mg, DMAE 300mg.
Is this too much choline?

I took these since 3 days and felt tired, no mood. When I wake up this morning I felt tired.

To day I got my Pramiracetam and took it this morning(300mg) with the other 3 and
now I feel the same tiredness.

Tomorrow I will not take the gpc I think. I took DMAE for a few months with piracetam and I like the DMAE so I want stick with it in my new stack.
I also have vinpocitine but I didn't used it yet, first things first.

I'm at university and have a lot to study.

I really need some help! Thx!

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No mood? Too much choline can be characterized by a depressive feeling. Not exactly "no mood" but it might be what you're talking about.

Piracetam or other racetams (pramiracetam like you mentioned) might be able to relieve excess choline, but I would take a step back and look at other factors like stress, diet, sleep before you start questioning why you're so tired because I can't think of a good reason why either 3 of those would do that since they're kind of stimulating.

Also, if you're trying go with piracetam + choline for studying I would consider doing some research on ALCAR and DMAE because they're not exactly "choline sources". They do effect choline though, as well as other things. I think plenty of people on this board use Alpha GPC and Piracetam though.

The last thing you want to do is get frustrated while experimenting during exams. I say that because ALCAR can make me aggressive and irritable, even at low dosages like 500mg, actually having the opposite effect on focus and concentration. And I've read it has this effect on others as well.

Edited by CrackaLackN, 20 March 2013 - 06:16 PM.

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Tis morning I took pramiracetam (350mg) and GPC (400mg) and I've studied a lot for 4.5 hours. At 12.30 pm I took the same but with alcar(400g). This afternoon I didn't felt tired (not like yesterday) but I didn't have the same motivation like this morning, no mood like the other day. I think I will not take the alcar anymore.
I will try the alcar again but not at the same time. I want to take it at 3pm tomorrow. I like the alcar for the endurance I felt once. And because I heard good things about it, I will give it a next try.
For now, DMAE together with Alcar is not a good match!

If you have experiences with alcar, please share it.
At this moment I'm searching for a good study stack.

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I'll try to help you by giving you a piece of my mind about the supplements you're taking currently, ok.

I've never tried pramiracetam, but I've had good results with piracetam and aniracetam. It's been a while but piracetam and aniracetam both yielded good results. That includes a clearer head and better overall mood. Good stuff, and I want to try them again. Once again, no experience with the stronger version pramiracetam.

Alpha GPC, initially this gave me a great boost to mental energy. I was talkative, engaging, alert. It was very pleasant as well. Although, over-time I stopped receiving this effect and started becoming depressed. Choline sources are known to do this and my brain might have just been starving for some initially. I don't use it anymore either.

DMAE.. I haven't used this one in at least a year, haha. Initially I think it gave me good mental energy, but I can't comment much further than that because it's been so long. It's not a choline source but actually inhibits it. So the fact that you used it for months and months might actually be a concern. You could have just been at a stalemate using a choline inhibitor and piracetam. Check out this thread for more information: http://www.longecity...-it-sparingly/. The main thing to derive from that thread specifically is that DMAE should not be used chronically and to make sure you have adequate choline sources before using it as well.

ALCAR. The very much praised supplement and for good reason. A lot of people on this board use it including myself. I typically take 1g right before lunch and I can't recall if I receive any noticeable effect or not. Some users ramp it up anywhere between 1-5g/daily and higher. I wish I had more information on it but typically it's safe and useful for mental and physical energy purposes.

I think you're on the right track by quitting the DMAE and sticking with ALCAR. As for pramircetam you should do some searches and see how much choline or Alpha GPC to take with that for benefits.

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Thx for the quick answer!
Now i want ask a quick question before going to bed: tomorrow i will try:
Primaracetam
Alpha gpc
Alcar

Which dosage to begin??
Thx to warn me about the dmae. I've used it for 4months, 300mg/day. Is it danger in that quantity? I'm only 27 and want to live!!

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Hi,
I did't took the gpc choline this morning. I took 100mg prami and 350mg alcar. I feel not clear in my head. Maybe due to yesterday because I took too much prami and gpc I think. This night I felt like the prami was still working, and I took 100 exta mg at 3pm yesterdag. The cause of my strange head feeling is maybe because I did not eat before.
Tomorrow I will only take the alpha gpc choline and see how I feel. I will do that for 2 days. My head is pretty heavy now.
I also have cpd choline at home. If I do not respond well this weekend to alpha gpc, I will try with cpd choline (per 250mg). If I feel ok, I will add 100mg prima to begin.


Crackalack, really thx for your respond! Could you give me some extra advise about the alcar? Is ALA also needed? Maybe Lecithin with the prami?
I'm searching for a clear mind, endurance, and lot of mood!
thx to all!

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Did you just report a headache? Racetams need to be combined with choline sources especially if you're receiving a headache when you're using a racetam without a choline source. That would explain why you had a headache, if that's what you were feeling. Make sure you're using a choline source with your racetam. If you want to know the ratio for racetam + choline just search around on the forums, unless you're lucky enough for someone else to chime in because I don't have that information.

ALCAR and ALA are commonly sold together so check and see if your ALCAR source already has it. If not, then yes, you should get some ALA to clear up the free radicals. It's my understanding that ALCAR + ALA should be dosed at a ratio of 2:1. Example: 1g ALCAR + 500mg of ALA.

As for what to do with the ALCAR... I don't really know. It's hard to say what you might be reacting to because of the other supplements you're taking not to mention other lifestyle choices. Anyway, ALCAR is pretty safe from what I've gathered besides the free radicals which can be managed easily.

Lecithin is just a natural source of choline. I don't think it really matters where you're getting your choline as long as it's a choline source. Alpha GPC would probably work better.

Remember that pramiracetam is one of the strongest racetams. Have you ever tried piracetam? It might be more reliable and I'm positive you can gather more information on it rather than pramiracetam.

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DMAE should not be taken with any choline sources. You may take it before bed. At night levels of acetyl-choline naturally decrease and in this case DMAE becomes beneficial for health also acting as an antioxidant. Too much choline consumed downregulates acetyl-choline receptors and own production of it. You must find the right balance between the quantity of piracetam and the quantity of choline. My dosage at present is 1600 mg of piracetam two times per day and 1 g of Choline Bitartrate in the morning. You can increase piracetam doses until they start to give you headaches. In this case you should add more choline. Also multivitamins is a must! To speed up your mind you may take CILTEP stack and D-deprenyl or L-Deprenyl additionally. Deprenyls should not be taken along with any antidepressants to avoid serotonin syndrome.