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[emckai]

I took the new stack

800mg Piracetam
30g Noopept
50mg Sunifiram
No choline

at 2:00am and I woke up at 8:30am (6 hour sleep) feeling very refreshed. I usually sleep about 12 hours on weekends, but this time was just about half.

[renfr]

I took the new stack

800mg Piracetam
30g Noopept
50mg Sunifiram
No choline

at 2:00am and I woke up at 8:30am (6 hour sleep) feeling very refreshed. I usually sleep about 12 hours on weekends, but this time was just about half.

30g noopept, seems legit!

[Isochroma]

Even I didn't catch that one - despite being Super Sunifiram'd.

[renfr]

Even I didn't catch that one - despite being Super Sunifiram'd.

Do you still feel the effects? What's your dose now?

Edited by renfr, 14 April 2013 - 08:39 PM.

[Mr. Pink]

has anyone tried the liftmode sunifiram yet? I should be getting a couple grams next week

[emckai]

You never tried 30g Noopept? It's amazing! You feel like you can fly!

[renfr]

Might sound like a troll question, but has anyone ever tried to snort sunifiram?

[therein]

Might sound like a troll question, but has anyone ever tried to snort sunifiram?

The only difference would be the bioavailability and how rapidly it is absorbed into the blood stream. Overall effects should be pretty much the same. As far as I know Sunifiram already has pretty good bioavailability.

[emckai]

I was very curious about that also, wouldn't you want Sunifiram absorbed into the blood stream faster? :D

[therein]

I was very curious about that also, wouldn't you want Sunifiram absorbed into the blood stream faster? :D

Faster absorption definitely has its benefits but it also might come with a cost; maybe building faster tolerance.

Also sublingual administration should be pretty much the same. They both are absorption through mucus membrane after all.

[peakplasma]

I'm not sure faster absorption is better.

Isochroma mentioned Sunifiram having an "n"-shaped dose response curve.

I definitely find this true since lower doses (6mg, 8mg, 12mg) give me better scores than higher doses (>20mg).

Edited by peakplasma, 14 April 2013 - 10:58 PM.

[Isochroma]

Yes, the Sunny's effects have been becoming stronger by the day and I have achieved full sleep adaptation too.

Doses are 15-20mg x 6/day.

[Bismarck]

Might sound like a troll question, but has anyone ever tried to snort sunifiram?

Yes, dont do it. Its very painfull.

[emckai]

Isn't it always painful to snort something?

[Bismarck]

There are different degrees of pain and Sunifiram is certainly in the category of " too painfull to do it more then once " .

[Isochroma]

I take it you tried, Bismarck?

Snorting nootropics - unless they are orally biounavailable - is generally a bad idea.

Reason being - at least with the racetams and racetams - they have short half-lives.

Speeding up absorption via injection or snorting vs. eating it only shortens its effect.

The goal is to maintain a steady concentration of nootropics in the bloodstream.

Both slow absorption and slow metabolism/elimination help to do so - along with closely-spaced doses.

[Bismarck]

Yes I did

[chris106]

Just to throw my 2 cents in - I actually wasn't going to try my Sunifiram just yet, because in the last few days a combination of adaptogens has been working moderately well for me ( Rhodiola Rosea and Schisandra, sometimes Ashwagandha, too). I just came of two weeks of consecutive Armodafiniul use, and was preparing for an at least moderate crash, but the adaptogens prevented that nicely.

However, I started taking too much, I think (up to 4 grams of each per day) and on friday I had somewhat of an inverse effect in the evening, where I became very moody and depressed - my guess is too much Schisandra, as adaptogens -as far as I know - may have an n-shaped response curve as well.
Long story short - I thought "what the hell" and took 15mg Suni. I could definetely feel a slight improvement in mood after 30 minutes, and also the HD-vision thingy, even though it wasn't very pronounced.

Yesterday I took single doses of 25mg Suni several times throughout the day, as well as adaptogens, and went out with friends in the evening. It was also a chance to meet some people and make job-related connections I could probably benefit from regarding my profession.
I also took my last tablet of Armodafinil (2x 75mg throughout the evening) as well as 25mg Suni and 500mg Schisandra + 500mg Rhodiola Rosea with it each time.. I Also drank and smoked a lot (just nicoteine).

I was especially curious about the Suni-Armodafinil combination, but sadly, I didn't become "Bradley Cooper from Limitless"
That being said - the HD-vision was now very noticable and everything went smoothly that night, I didn't feel anxious at any time. I was very talkative and got to know a few interesting people -who each gave me their cards - and asked me if I wouldn't like to work with them in the future.
I should add that this isn't too unusual though, I'm an actor by profession, and in this field of work everyone tries to "network" as much as possible, even though 70% of the connections you make don't turn out advantageous... This is because many people bloat about being great artists when you talk to them, but very few turn out to be "legit"... >_<'

All that being said - I would compare my state of mind and emotions yesterday to that when I was on a Ritalin-high back in the day, when I still took it. That minus the hard crash the next morning. And even though I couldn't help but watch youtube videos for two hours after returning home at 2am ( Suni definetely makes you want to consume and enjoy music and other media more, just as Stimulants do), and went to bed at 4am, I woke up pretty relaxed this morning at 7am and had almost no problems getting up.

The only thing that bugs me is that Suni really doesn't seem to help that much with focus or goal-oriented motivation - which are my real problems, having ADD-PI and all.
But it's good to know, that at least for me, it works in conjunction with (Ar-)Modafinil as well as adaptogens and alcohol/nicoteine - I will definetely try this combination again soon, but this time with "plain" Modafinil instead of ARmodafinil, when my next order arrives ( Aproximately in 2 weeks)

For now I will try around with the dosing of Suni and the Adaptogens, to see how far I can take this combination. Aparrantly up to 2,5 grams of the adaptogens and 125mg of Suni a day don't seem to be a problem...

Edited by chris106, 15 April 2013 - 08:25 AM.

[megatron]

I can't believe my Sunifiram hasn't arrived yet. It was shipped three weeks ago :(

[kenj]

I can't believe my Sunifiram hasn't arrived yet. It was shipped three weeks ago :(

Sry to hear that, I recieved mine (check location) within 1.5 week or so.

[renfr]

Yesterday before going to bed I took 10mg but could only sleep 4h as I had an appointment, turned out I woke up fine and I went through all the day with no tiredness at all, damn this is great!

[chris106]

Yesterday before going to bed I took 10mg but could only sleep 4h as I had an appointment, turned out I woke up fine and I went through all the day with no tiredness at all, damn this is great!

That is very interesting, I will try that tonight before bed, too.

By the way,does anyone know, or maybe can even tell from experience, which adaptogen is supposed to be the most "stimulating" or maybe even most "dopaminergic"? I know this might seem off topic, but then again it's not - because I wanna add something stimulating to the mix for above-mentioned goal-oriented motivation to complement the more "layed-back" Suni-effect...

"Real" stimulants are out of the question for me, though - except maybe Modafinil.

[renfr]

Yesterday before going to bed I took 10mg but could only sleep 4h as I had an appointment, turned out I woke up fine and I went through all the day with no tiredness at all, damn this is great!

That is very interesting, I will try that tonight before bed, too.

By the way,does anyone know, or maybe can even tell from experience, which adaptogen is supposed to be the most "stimulating" or maybe even most "dopaminergic"? I know this might seem off topic, but then again it's not - because I wanna add something stimulating to the mix for above-mentioned goal-oriented motivation to complement the more "layed-back" Suni-effect...

"Real" stimulants are out of the question for me, though - except maybe Modafinil.

Maybe you could try ginseng, also rhodiola is said to be stimulating.
Btw, did sunifiram went through German customs?

Though I could only sleep a little and have no issues the next day I didn't have most of the effects that other users report.
My colours weren't enhanced for example.
Anyway that's great stuff in any case, if one day it happens I must go to bed late and wake up early I can now rely on sunifiram.
I am still awake today (it's midnight here) and feeling alright, I didn't take any other supplement in the day except my normal morning stack (plus intense exercise in the afternoon).
My cognitive abilities were fine but not optimal (that's kinda normal), in any case there's no other supplement that would have kept me up like that, even choline or sulbutiamine doesn't compete.

I'm waiting for unifiram to be released, apparently it is said to be more potent.

Oh btw I snorted something like 2mg sunifiram, BAD IDEA, it inflammed my nostrils and I noticed no added benefit.

Edited by renfr, 15 April 2013 - 10:25 PM.

[Southern_Lights]

Hello everyone,

Long time lurker, first time posting. Just thought I would add my Sunni experiences to the collective.

Some background, I have been taking Noopept sporadically for about 9 months now. I've been taking Fish Oil daily for around 1 year and 1 month. Recently acquired Sunifiram and Piracetam from New Star. I went ahead and started with the Piracetam, but have been hesitant on the Sunifiram until there were more reports either anecdotal or scientific. Well people did not disappoint by consuming huge doses and at least establishing that there is no immediate toxicity to be concerned with.

I would have probably kept waiting except I need to write 2 research papers for tomorrow as well as having a full day of classes. I am interested in the reported effect of being able to function normally with very little sleep. Usually I require at least 8 hours to even have a chance at feeling "normal" during the day, why I am so in need of sleep while others seem to function fine, is beyond me. Could be due to past / somewhat present benzo usage, I don't know, just speculation.

So on to the relevant information:

~7:45: Woke up
~8:00: Out of bed
-8:30: Drank Yerba Mate tea

----Had an AC inspection from 9-10---- unrelated

10:00- Consumed approximately 800mg Piracetam, 15mg Noopept
10-11: Smoked Cannabis
11:30: Class
12:30: Ate lunch, high in protein
~Smoked Cannabis
1:30: Took approximately 2mg Sunifiram
2:00: Took a walk after taking the Suni to see if I experienced effects other Users reported

***No effects were distinguishable from placebo, or were different from the regular effects of Noopept and Piracetam

2:30: Test dose was safe, Redose approximately 4mg (Total 6mg approx. today).

---Worked on my research papers while smoking cannabis

4:30: Class

**Noticeable Jaw Clenching, I do report a feeling somewhat like adderall but not nearly as strong nor motivating, but I can't help but notice this.
**My BPM is up about 10points when resting, however this could be due to stress over my workload, or cannabis consumption

6:00: I am writing this post

I have not made significant progress on my reports, although I cannot say that adderall would have been a better alternative. I will continue to update as I proceed with my Trial of Sunifiram.

Hopefully I experience the reduced amount of sleep required, but we shall see.

SL

[alecnevsky]

Another thing is that my deep sleep time was two times longer than usual.

Is this right? This is very very interesting. How is that possible ? Deep sleep is facilitated by inhibition of Ach while Sunifiram increases release of Ach by 200%... Did you use a Zeo?

[Deeviant]

Regarding my sunifram experiences:

Trials 1-2 took 1 5 mg dose last week. No immediate discernible effects; possible sleep disruption(woke up an hour early).

Trials 3-5 Took 20 mg dose, slight effects, soft vision changes and mood enhancement(very mellow).

Trial 6 Took 100 mg megadose: Acute visual effects, when I moved text around I would see a slightly blurred effect. For instance, when I was on this forum and would use mouse scroll, people's name on the top of their posts look like they had a new animation that blurred them while they were moving but yet were extremely readable. So when I would scroll now, the names on top of posts don't blur, but if I scroll moderately fast, I can't read them, on sunifram megadose, I could read them even when scrolling fast but they look blurred.

I also woke up 2 hours early from my normal wake up time.

I won't report my concentration/focus/drive as I did not stop my piracetam regiment. I did not feel any discernible negative effects.

Other compounds that I stacked with Sunifram without (apparent) ill-effects:

• 600 mg Sulbutiamine
• 30mg noopept
• 5 gram piracetam
• 500 mg ALCAR
• 600 mg NAC
• 200 mg caffeine + 200 mg L-Theanine
• 1 gram oxiracetam
• 1 gram aniracetam
• half a bottom of wine

No, not at the same time. The racetams were all separate, but Sulbutiamine, ALCAR, NAC, caffeine and L-Theanine were all together with 30 mg of sunifram. Wine was with just Sunifram, the alcohol seemed to dominate and wash over any other effect the sunifram might of had.

Edited by Deeviant, 16 April 2013 - 03:44 AM.

[Rethar]

Alright so I just had my first dose of sunifiram about 7 hours ago and I'd have to say the effects are pretty extreme so far...had no idea it would be this strong TBH. I took one microspoonful of it (using those red really small plastic spoons), which I think would be somewhere around 10mg.

I stopped all my other nootropics for today to see how this works alone (I normally take noopept, curcumin, rhodiola and I stopped those today), but I still took my multivitamin and fish oil.

I felt the effects kick in around 30mins to an hour after the dose and it really felt like an interesting mix of the effects from a bunch of other racetams I've tried before in addition to a stimulant-like energy effect. For instance, colors looked really vibrant similar to how I've felt when I take around 2400mg of piracetam. Everything would just pop out at me. I also got a nice depression-lifting effect similar to how piracetam relieves my depressive feelings. I also got a strong feeling of euphoria that was similar to how I felt on noopept a few times (though nowadays with noopept the euphoria is much more subtle compared to this and faded pretty quickly, although noopept gave me more feelings of empathy, sunifiram can't match it in that regard). The euphoria however would only kick in if I was doing something that I guess piqued my interest, like if I turned on my TV and something interesting was on it became way more enjoyable, but if I was not doing much of anything things would be kind of the same.

The most surprising effect however was that it gave me an awesome type of laser-focus that reminded me a lot of pramiracetam. However it was different in the sense that instead of having tunnel-vision of superfocus for just one thing as with pramiracetam, sunifiram made me be able to pay attention to multiple things going on around me at once. For instance I noticed that I could be working on my computer but also be paying complete attention to what was happening on my T.V. which was very unusual for me these days. However sunifiram didn't give me the huge memory enhancement effect that pram does (where my ability to remember stuff increases like 6x for a few hours when on pramiracetam).

Also I felt a strong stimulant effect to the point that I'd be worried if I took it with any other kind of stimulant.

So all of these effects lasted about 2 hours after dosing, then I started experiencing like I was feeling burnt out. My short-term memory started getting shot and all the euphoria etc. started going away and I was feeling strung out. After awhile I started to remember feeling a similar kind of short-term memory thing when I'd taken pramiracetam or aniracetam without choline. Sure enough, I took a small amount of choline bitartrate, maybe around 100mg and after about 10-20minutes I felt back to where I was again, no burnt out feeling and my memory/focus etc. was all enhanced again. So I guess this is one of those racetam/racerams where choline can be good.

Then a little later I was in a social situation and what happened was just insane. I have really bad social anxiety problems, yet I was able to talk so easily. I still felt some slight anxiety, but it was like it was so easy to be confident in whatever I was saying. It reminded me of the first time I'd taken phenibut except with a lot more energy.

So things felt pretty good for around 4.5hours after I dosed. Then it was like half of the effects of sunifiram wore off, but the others remained...which is weird. A lot of the euphoria wore off, though not all of it. The rest that remained was the increased color saturation of everything, the stimulant effect of feeling always "on", and feeling much more at ease.

Overall I find the effects of this very surprising, I wasn't expecting it to be so strong. And the stimulant effect continues for a reallly long time. I'd really think that something like this would cause tolerance, the length of effect reminds me of phenibut where it seemed like it lasted forever but was still effecting my brain even when it felt like my brain would've liked to take a break at least for a little bit. I'm not surprised about the reports of people saying there's issues sleeping after taking this, I guess I'll have to see how it affects my sleep.

Oh and I also noticed something similar to the typing speed thing, though I wonder if it's because I read about it in this thread :D Anyways when I would type something I noticed I was paying more attention to it than usual, and it wasn't as subconscious which was odd. So I wondered if sunifiram was affecting my motor coordination somehow so I tried testing that out by playing something on the piano (I generally have pretty quick fingers with typing/piano) and I could play piano even faster than normal so I have no idea what's going on there. Maybe I was just playing faster because of the stimulant-like effect...dunno.

So overall I haven't felt such good/strong effects from a nonprescription drug/supplement since phenibut. I like this even better than the piracetam/aniracetam/pramiracetam combo I'd take sometimes to get a well-rounded bunch of effects(moodboost from piracetam, anxiolytic effect from aniracetam, and focus/confidence from pramiracetam). If these kinds of effects continued without tolerance I would seriously be in disbelief. It's too bad there aren't more studies on this so we could know if this was really safe for long-term use. I'm going to try to slowly add back my other supplements, like try it with noopept.

[ScienceGuy]

Other compounds that I stacked with Sunifram without (apparent) ill-effects...

• half a bottom of wine

I assume your partner assisted you with measuring this?

Seriously though, did you stack anything with the 100mg DOSE?

[Deeviant]

Other compounds that I stacked with Sunifram without (apparent) ill-effects...

• half a bottom of wine

I assume your partner assisted you with measuring this?

Seriously though, did you stack anything with the 100mg DOSE?

Hehe, I guess my racetram usage has not made a dent on my dyslexia.

The 100 mg dose was with 5 gram piracetam and the other none-racetam supps:

• 600 mg Sulbutiamine
• 5 gram piracetam
• 500 mg ALCAR
• 600 mg NAC

One last thing to report. I have Rosacea that has a highly sensitive emotional trigger; it normally triggers whenever I am upset, startled, speaking publicly or "other" times. It has not triggered at all this week, despite numerous opportunities(like when somebody cut me off and gave me the finger on the freeway today). I was also in an area that would normally given me a fair bit of anxiety(very high up on a roof of commercial building), but felt totally neutral and very under control. I am rather new to racetams in general, so it could simply be the piracetam that did this, but I did not notice it until after trialling sunifram.

I don't tend to think of myself as being overly anxious or depressed, but since the Rosacea hit I have been much more aware of my emotional ups and downs. Since starting on a mix of racetams including sunifram and mostly piracetam I have experienced only positive effects. I did not try to quantify other cognitive gains, but programming/designing feels very even and focused with a 4.8g BID piracetam regiment and the occasional sunifram nightcap.

Edited by Deeviant, 16 April 2013 - 04:36 AM.

[golden1]

Wow. weed/getting high GREATLY synergizes with sunifiram. My brain doesn't really feel impaired at all, just the positive effects of both are greatly enhanced and... The effects of both separate are actually oddly are very similar(High definition super saturated vision, music & creativity enhancement, calmness, focus, motivation, energy, etc) except of course weed has more obvious effects. just thought I'd mention, it's very cool. I thought the HD vision was crazy with just sunifiram, but both it makes everything so beautifully detailed and well.. extremely entrancing.

I've also noticed on sunifiram alone or combined, I am able to think about things almost "on a higher level" kind of like psychedelics, it honestly feels like a boost in intelligence and reasoning. (able to look at the big picture easier, considering more possibilities to situations than I would have before, and articulating these things into words in a concise way). It's nothing amazing, mostly because well I guess I'm pretty satisfied in my intelligence to start with(not trying to brag at all,) but it certainly was noticeable when in deep thought.