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STACK CALIBRATION (from daily to midterms)

aniracetam vinpocitine gingko alcar ala q10 quit smoking study stack healthy diet noopept

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#1 blablabla

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 06:17 PM


STACK CALIBRATION (from daily to midterms)


Choline sources: CDP citicholine, bitartrate, Centrophenoxine, Alpha GPC, DMAE
Antioxidant: Alpha Lipiod Acid(ALA), CoQ10, (DMAE?)
  • Which item would you prefer to take at another moment?
  • Would ALA and/or CoQ10 taken together and at night for recovery purpose?
  • And DMAE is also an antioxidant, would it be fine take dmae with ala and CoQ10 in combo?
  • I've heard that dmae should not be taken with (other) choline,
  • so dmae at day would not be possible anymore.
  • What about centrophenoxine, dmae is also included?
  • Gingko and vinpocitine both act as a 'blood thinner', so is there a danger?
  • Has someone experiences with noopept in combo with aniracetam
  • and/or vinpocetine/Gingko.
  • Would you advise an extra ingredient? I forgot adding "Sport" in it.
  • Would be Vitamine-B-Complex-150 appropriate? http://www.vitacost....plus-mega-b-150
  • Item for being healthy or protect yourself from your/this stack?
  • Has Tyrosine a place in this stack?
  • Burn-out? Brain fog?
  • Sorry for my bad English
I tried Alcar for 3 days(500à850mg) after 2 weeks I quitted smoking. Alcar excites my nicotine neurons, so that’s not good! It was not stimulating at all!
From tomorrow (30th march) I’ll start with the ‘daily stack’. From Monday the first April I will experiment the ‘study stack’.

Thanks to…
mban: http://brainmeta.com...showtopic=23657
noopmed: http://www.longecity...-a-med-student/
tao95 : http://www.longecity...ed/#entry574965
crackalackn : http://www.longecity...ed/#entry574965
...and to everyone!

multivitamines: http://www.iherb.com...-Capsules/46679
Cod liver oil: http://www.iherb.com...-oz-473-ml/4192 (it looks expensive but it isn't: you do a lot longer with it cause you can half the dose of 5ml to have the same theoretically values as a cheap-non-quality liver/fish oil!)

Edited by TechLux, 29 March 2013 - 06:54 PM.


#2 swich401

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 05:13 PM

Hi Techlux,

You can take both of them together, they have no interactions or negative side effects. If you are a healthy individual, and eat enough greens and vegetables in your diet, a minimal amount of each can be taken. I personally take a single 100mg tablet of CoQ10 per day and about 150-300mg of ALA. You want to take it during the day when there will be the most oxidative stress occurring. At night, your body produces ample amount of melatonin which acts as a strong antioxidant and helps with body recovery.

I took a look at your stack, I would suggest reducing the amount of Ginkgo that you are taking to a maximum of about 120mg per day, even on days that you are studying hard. Gingko acts as a norepinephrine(NE) re-uptake inhibitor to a small degree, which is good to a certain extent for focusing and for motivation to study, but taking too much, or for too many consecutive days, will lead to NE receptor downregulation which will give you withdrawal apathy/lack of motivation.

Also for the aniracetam, the dosage that you have down seems alright, but I would start out with only the 2X400mg per day dosage that you have written. Remember; you don't want to feel "high" or overly euphoric when taking any of these substances, only calm and in control.

For DMAE, CDP-choline, citicholine, centrophenoxine, alpha-GPC, choline bitartrate, choline citrate, etc. they are all choline sources. You really only want to take one of them to prevent choline overload. If you take multiple, you will have to take very low dosage. Because choline citrate/bitartrate is the cheapest, I would stick with those. Take about 200-600mg of the choline citrate per day, divided into two doses, one in morning, the other in afternoon.

For vinpocetine, take only 5-10mg per day max. At that dosage, you get sufficient cerebral vasodilation to reach the threshold needed, and you reduce vinpocetine's side effect of acting as a Na channel blocker (reduces probability of neuron excitation and nerve conduction). At that low dosage combined with Gingko, you won't have to worry about the blood thinning issues of either (just don't take them before doing high intensity sports, as your blood pressure goes up alot during sports).

Instead of taking ALCAR, take the non-acetylated form (L-Carnitine L-Tartrate), and you will get the same energy boosting effects without its effects of boosting acetylcholine production (ACh acts on nicotinic ACh receptors as you mentioned). Take 200-1000mg, divided into 2 seperate doses morning and afternoon.

For sports, and before tests, take a dose (2.5-5 grams) of creatine, which helps in the generation of "Burst Energy" as I call it, which is good for high intensity exercise and for cram sessions/high intensity test taking periods.

Tyrosine is one of the more tricky supplements. Taking too much for too long can lead to down-regulation of dopamine, norepinephrine and epinephrine receptors as tyrosine boosts these neurotransmitters. Further, chronic long term use can lead to burnout as it is boosting your response to stress. The boost in stress response can be positive in the short term to motivate and get things done, but downregulation and inability to recuperate from stress because your body want to continue working hard when taking tyrosine can, in the long term, lead to rebound depression, anhedonia, apathy, etc. which is only transient (will go away within a week or so after stopping the tyrosine). If you desire trying it out, take a low dose of 200-1000mg per day, and not for more than 3-5 days strait, with plenty of days break in between to let your body homeostatically re-adjust itself back to normal.

And I would recommend against taking noopept. You can try it out, but for most of the people that I know who have taken it, it reduced short term memory and reduced ability to concentrate (for me my mind was making connections to random things related to what I was trying to study, which was unproductive and very distractable).

Cheers,

swich401/mban

Edited by swich401, 07 April 2013 - 05:14 PM.


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Posted 09 April 2013 - 01:52 AM

I suggest switching to a different racetam. Piracetam, pramiracetam, oxiracetam, even noopept.

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#4 blablabla

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:40 AM

STACK CALIBRATION (from daily to midterms)

Stack Table updated !


Following all your advise, my stack has been a little bit changed. I ordered yesterday L-Carnitine L-Tartrate (http://www.aisportsn...l-tartrate.html), creatine (http://www.bodybuild...m/creatine.html), piracetam and oxiracetam.
I'm calibrating my stack because I want that extra motivation and endurance! Aniracetam did not gave me that. Piracetam did well when I took it till 2 months ago. I've heard good things about oxiracetam, I'll give it a try! I remember when tooking piracetam, I had brainfog feeling, or my head/brain was heavy. This is why I introduced in my stack the multivit, ala, fish oil, etc. (daily stack) and also purchased some different cholines (try and error).
I'm feeling good, better then before. My daily stack helped me with my 'quit smoking' period. It is the fourth week without cigarettes and I'm doing pretty well. If some of you are quiting smoking, don't take ALCAR cause of the acetylated form of it. Take the non-acetylated: L-Carnitine L-Tartrate (thanks to swich401, see above).

cheers,
techlux





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